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IRC Log for 2011-09-12

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00:32:00raptorsam686: do you ever double check mine and watusimoto's commits to make sure we didn't mess things up?
00:33:00sam686sometimes i do..
00:34:00raptori ask because i am glad i went over watusimoto's latest changes...
00:34:00raptorfound a bug, and i like know that others look at my commits...
01:14:00sam686i think i got getReamMicroseconds working right now in windows, when using printf("%u, %u, %u\n", Platform::getRealMilliseconds(), Platform::getRealMicroseconds(), (U32)Platform::getHighPrecisionTimerValue());
01:15:00sam686getRealMicroseconds in windows is just a wrapper that uses getHighPrecisionTimerValue with conversion to microseconds..
01:18:00BFLogBot - Commit cb8053c2b5e2 | Author: sam8641 | Log: Added window's getRealMicroseconds() in TNL; Change project's temp files
01:53:00BFLogBot - Commit 3d59b1a525b3 | Author: sam8641 | Log: fix dedicated compile
02:13:00BFLogBot - Commit 5e8971905f27 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Compile fix
02:13:00BFLogBot - Commit b50b1d513600 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: How did this happen?
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02:15:00Zoomberhi flynnn
02:15:00Zoomberah nooo where did classic levels go?
02:16:00raptori think watusimoto shut off the game server server's
02:16:00Zoomberyes, and I put up replacements
02:16:00raptoroh
02:16:00Zoomberhmm
02:16:00raptoryou had a deal?
02:16:00Zoomberuptime = 16 days
02:17:00raptoryour VPS is waaay better...
02:17:00raptorat least as far as timing issues go
02:17:00Zoomberyes, better performance handling
02:17:00sam686watusimoto's server had problems with strange CPU timing most of the time...
02:17:00Zoomberthe server is getting a load average of 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
02:17:00raptorwell, it's still good for the !logbot
02:18:00Zoomberyes
02:18:00Zoomberisnt that right BFLogbot ?
02:18:00Zoomberit hates me...
02:18:00raptorhaha, yes
02:21:00Zoomberstill wish I could get a log report about why the server just dissappears randomly
02:21:00raptori must stick around long enough for a BBB so i can with that dual action gamepad...
02:21:00Zoomberive been using my laptop to play..
02:22:00Zoomberprobably the worst way to play bitfighter, but I play the best that way, because i've done it like that for 5 years (off and on of course)
02:32:00sam686classic server died again, probably a bot zone generating problem again...
02:36:00raptorcan you backport the trianlge double fix?
02:37:00sam686that must be a fix not updated yet to double type triangle...
02:45:00sam686good, triangle's double type fixes the problem.
02:46:00sam686before it was not updated and was using single date type'
03:06:00raptorexcellent
03:13:00raptorso the banlist isn't working anymore...
03:13:00raptorargh
03:13:00karamazovapyRAMBLESARSDL;K
03:14:00raptorwell hello there
03:14:00karamazovapyyeah, that was by way of greeting
03:15:00ZoomberRamble sar SDL ; k
03:15:00karamazovapyor - Ramble, SARS, DL; k?
03:16:00raptorpneumonoultramicroscopicsiliconvolcanoconiosis?
03:17:00karamazovapyis that the longest word in the scientific english language?
03:17:00raptori don't know - i think i memorized it as a middle schooler because i thought it was cool
03:18:00Zoomberits not
03:18:00raptorthat probably says a lot about my middle school experience...
03:18:00Zoombertheres two longer ones
03:19:00karamazovapyI think Zoomber just said more about HIS middle school experience.
03:19:00raptorhahahaha
03:19:00Zoomberdo i dare post?
03:19:00Zoomberkaramazovapy: actually, i just looked it up on wikipedia
03:19:00karamazovapystill funny
03:19:00Zoomberhttp://pastebin.com/VqUtDFQv
03:19:00raptorsam686: i'm looking at the 'SavedServerPasswords
03:19:00Zoombertitin
03:19:00raptorin the ini
03:20:00Zoomber189, 819 letters
03:20:00raptormost are plain text, but some look like md5 hashes
03:20:00raptorwhich is weird..
03:20:00raptoroooo
03:20:00raptorohhh Zoomber, i always though protien compounds were disqualified
03:21:00ZoomberLopado temacho selacho galeo kranio leipsano drim hypo trimmato silphio parao melito katakechy meno kichl epi kossypho phatto perister­alektryon opte kephallio kigklo peleio lagoio siraio baphe tragano pterygon
03:21:00karamazovapylol:
03:21:00Zoombersuperkalifraglisticexpealidocus
03:21:00karamazovapypneumonoultramicroscopicsiliconvolcanoconiosis
03:21:00karamazovapygrr
03:21:00karamazovapySee also
03:21:00karamazovapy Antidisestablishmentarianism
03:21:00karamazovapy Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg
03:21:00karamazovapy Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
03:21:00karamazovapy Longest word in English
03:21:00karamazovapy Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu
03:21:00karamazovapy Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
03:22:00Zoomberbiggest city
03:22:00Zoomberhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu
03:22:00raptoroh yeah - Antidisestablishmentarianism, i remember that one too
03:22:00ZoomberÅ, a village in Andøy
03:22:00ZoomberNordland, norway
03:24:00karamazovapyhttp://www.korero.maori.nz/sound/places/f-t-w-k-o-t-p-w-k-t-t.mp3
03:24:00raptori think that mp3 swore at me
03:25:00karamazovapyI heard "fucka" too
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03:56:00Zoomberyes
03:56:00Zoomberand it was Loouuuuuuuuuuud
03:56:00raptorsam686: I have an idea on how fix the SavedServerPasswords section
03:57:00Zoomberraptor, i should show karamazov my new level
03:57:00Zoomberthe reeealy wierd one
03:58:00raptori'm thinking use a format like this: ServerPassword1=Bitfighter sam686,awesomePassw0rd1
03:58:00raptorthen ServerPassword2=
03:58:00raptoretc.
03:58:00raptorZoomber: i want to see
03:58:00Zoomberi showed you a night ago!
03:59:00raptorwhich one?
03:59:00Zoomberthe one with deformed bursts
04:00:00sam686i think the deformed burst was showed to me, zoomber and watusimoto, but not raptor, i think..
04:00:00Zoomberoh
04:00:00sam686for last night..
04:00:00raptoryeah, i didn't see...
04:00:00Zoomberdo you have it sam? i dont have the map on this serv
04:01:00sam686i will look, as zoomber went uploaded to my computer hosting..
04:01:00Zoomberah
04:02:00raptorquick question about that 'fast flags' map
04:02:00raptoris that like being developed by multiple people?
04:02:00Zoomberi think so
04:02:00raptorit seems to keep growing
04:03:00sam686this one? http://208.107.52.15/bitfighter/levels/upload_adventere.level
04:04:00sam686Bot zone generator might fail on that level...
04:05:00raptori think i really like George Winston's piano music
04:05:00raptoron Sundays, at least..
04:09:00raptorhow come there are two Bitfighter sam686 servers?
04:09:00raptorpopular request?
04:10:00sam686i heard a few complaints that my server went down (due to vps going down that time) also my internet did go down at that time too..
04:10:00raptorare they essentially the same, then?
04:10:00sam686yes
04:17:00sam686My compiler seems really slow, taking more then 10 minutes now...
04:18:00raptoris this just since the boost additions?
04:18:00sam686i guess i may be using my faster way of compiling, as thats about 4 times faster, in http://208.107.52.15/bitfighter/compile_faster/
04:19:00raptorwait wait
04:19:00raptorwhat?
04:19:00raptoryou split up all the classes into those groups just so you can compile faster?
04:20:00sam686yes, usually headers don't get included more then once, speeding up compiling for each buld*.cpp
04:21:00raptorso how fast does it build that way?
04:22:00sam686rebuilding zap folder only with faster method, and timing it...
04:24:00sam6862 minute + 57 seconds
04:24:00raptorthat's insane!
04:24:00sam686os, 2 minutes and 27 seconds i meant..
04:24:00raptorthat's why sqlite.c compiles so fast...
04:24:00sam686yes..
04:25:00sam686it would be like more then 8 minutes for compiling every songle .cpp in a slow method
04:25:00sam686single, not songle..
04:25:00raptordid it take you a while to figure out what cpp's could go together?
04:26:00sam686it took a while, but did it about 1 or 2 .cpp files at a time.
04:26:00sam686then i kept that method on my computer for a long time, due to being able to compile faster..
04:27:00raptorjust wow
04:27:00raptori wonder how long it would take me to compile if i did that...
04:28:00sam686Most of slowdowns is probably because of every .CPP file has to incluke about 100 .h files
04:28:00sam686with 100 cpp files to compile, that will be having to include 10000 times..
04:29:00sam686but, putting together some cpp files into one build1.cpp, it keeps most of headers in memory, avoiding the need to include them again.
04:29:00raptoryuk
04:30:00sam686that how it speed up, which is good for me..
04:30:00Zoomberhow about we just put everything in one .cpp file and 1 include file and call it a day
04:30:00raptorthat would work!
04:30:00sam686that will get very messy with 10 MB cpp file
04:31:00raptorbut it would take a really long time to organize
04:32:00sam686also, will be harder to see the code with everything in one .cpp file, as in "look at line 334, oops you edited so your line number is way off..."
04:33:00sam686also, one giant CPP file takes more memory to compile, which some VPS don't have enough RAM..
04:37:00sam686if you have noticed, #include is basically like a copy and paste all the code inside the included into there it called to include.
04:42:00raptoryep
04:50:00sam686When my slow builds complete, i can show you thousands of "1>Note: including file: ______", when i enabled configuration properties, C++, advanced, Show Includes settings.
04:50:00raptori believe you
04:51:00sam686it looks like boost have really slowdown compilling..
04:52:00raptoryes - i'm in the middle of reducing the dependencies...
04:53:00sam686so far, 55000 lines of "including file"
04:53:00raptoroh my goodness
04:56:00raptori've almost got the banList migrated to the INI
04:59:00raptorbah, i keep forgetting that watusimoto likes no spaces between control statements and parenthesis
04:59:00raptorif(
04:59:00raptorinstead of if (
05:01:00sam686i wonder why linux fail to compile "a<b<c>>" with no spaces in ">>"?
05:03:00sam686such as: Vector<Vector<S32>> a; for example..
05:03:00raptorbecause gcc make >> have precedence
05:03:00raptorit interprets it as shift
05:04:00sam686ok, didn't know that..
05:05:00sam686levelgen in our current 016 version went broken again..
05:05:00raptorwonderful
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05:11:00raptorkaramazovapy: for you: http://208.107.52.15/upload/screenshot_8.png
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05:18:00sam686ok, here is ALL the included files for all compiled files: http://208.107.52.15/bitfighter/110912-build-include.txt
05:19:00raptorstill loading... wow
05:21:00raptor9MB and counting...
05:21:00sam686it is 18.4 MB in size..
05:21:00raptor13..
05:24:00sam686143212 lines are including something inside boost directory.
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05:31:00raptorso viewing and navigating through your file somehow filled up the hardware keyboard buffer on my laptop - i was forced to restart
05:32:00sam686maybe i should have zipped it, like i just did now: http://208.107.52.15/bitfighter/110912-build-include.zip
05:32:00raptorhaha
05:32:00raptorban list is working from ini now - i am looking at reducing the boost requirements
05:34:00raptorforward declaration of boost classes doesn't seem to work very well
05:34:00sam686which web browser did you tried to look at that text file?
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05:35:00raptori downloaded it with 'wget', then opened it with 'less'
05:35:00sam686i used chrome / chromium, it it loads ok for me..
05:35:00raptorand jumped to the bottom
05:35:00raptoryeah, i was looking at it in a terminal
05:36:00sam686ok... i guess terminal or command that used couldn't handle big text files, that my guess..
05:36:00raptoryeha mine too
05:37:00sam686still, this shows most of includes are including boost
05:38:00sam686mostly, boost is being included from \tnl\tnlUDP.h
05:38:00raptoryes, i am trying to remove it...
05:41:00sam686or, it is being included from BanList.h
05:42:00sam686basically, it goes GameSettings.h, BanList.h, then hundreds of Boost stuff
05:42:00sam686GameSettings is most widely used thing ti include.
05:43:00raptoryes
05:43:00sam686config.h is also used a lot, which includes GaneSettings.h
06:08:00raptori think i got it!
06:08:00raptorfinally
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06:12:00raptorlots of changes to review before commit..
06:19:00sam686there is still lots of bugs, a few was fixed: http://208.107.52.15/bitfighter/110911bugs.txt
06:20:00raptoryeah, i'm thinking we should try and do some of the editor ones - watusimoto mentioned he was getting tired of them..
06:25:00raptorok pushing changes...
06:25:00raptordone
06:27:00raptori like that running buglist
06:28:00raptori'm heading to bed, good night!
06:29:00BFLogBot - Commit 89ec24e337df | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Use INI instead of separate file for ban list. Also remove boost header from BanList.h to reclaim some compile speed (5-10%)
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06:49:00BFLogBot - Commit f08eb6d7f4fa | Author: sam8641 | Log: Add config option for client to use a specified port number, for "Punching through firewall"
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15:31:00raptorgood morning!
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16:44:00raptori just remembered: the ban list might not work for arranged connections
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17:47:00raptorso I'm thinking of consolidating/combining the ban list and current kick methods/logic
17:47:00raptorthe question is, should I move the kicking logic into the BanList class? Or should I move the banning logic into the gameConnection class?
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19:13:00-christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, it's that time again.. we're about to get in the ring, ready for round two. I'll be killing off another handful of servers to carry out some upgrades, hang tight and we'll see you on the other side. Thank you for using freenode and have a smashing evening!
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19:25:00-christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, that was relatively painfree, I am all done (for now) -- take three will be coming to a server near you this coming wednesday. Thank you for your patience whilst we noisily upgrade the network.
19:29:00raptormagic!
19:30:00karamazovapymystery!
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19:31:00raptoradventure!
19:32:00karamazovapyponies!
19:32:00raptorI..
19:32:00raptorI'm speechless
19:32:00karamazovapylol
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19:33:00karamazovapynice ban work, by the way
19:33:00raptorbwahahaha
19:34:00raptorit was specifically to make sure your title stays as 'benevolent dictator' in my mind...
19:34:00raptorover kserv, at least
19:35:00karamazovapyuseful.
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19:35:00raptorwatusimoto: can you actually chat in IRC with your connection?
19:37:00raptorsam686: what do you think about my question regarding combination of the kick/ban methods into one class?
19:37:00raptor1. either move ban list stuff into gameConnection or move the old kicking stuff into BanList
19:37:00raptori guess taht was 1 and 2
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20:07:00karamazovapynone of my BBB video is particularly entertaining
20:07:00raptor:(
20:07:00karamazovapylol...colosseum is okay, and _k's innovation is kind of funny, mostly because I do almost nothing and win
20:08:00raptori would like to watch that soccer match from your perspective
20:08:00karamazovapyI think I was responsible for 3 goals
20:09:00karamazovapybut frankly, it looks a lot like sam's video
20:13:00karamazovapyI'm rendering a copy for you
20:13:00raptorwhat application do you use to capture?
20:14:00karamazovapyoh, I got a free copy of camtasia studio
20:14:00karamazovapyit's not all that great, but the startup screen says they're based in Okemos, MI, and that's about a mile from the house I grew up in
20:17:00raptori think i figured out how footloose won - she was a repair tank most of the time
20:18:00raptorand she would rarely shoot, but used triple to take you out fast
20:18:00karamazovapyyou mean in the airlock she won?
20:18:00raptoryes
20:18:00karamazovapyhahaha...you're really hung up on that!
20:20:00raptori don't know why, but with all my interactions with her, i thought she would be one least likely to win
20:20:00karamazovapysame here
20:21:00karamazovapybut she's been on kind of nonstop for the last couple months
20:21:00karamazovapycould've been luck or a result of some quirk in the team selection...but it is what it is!
20:21:00raptori think it's great!
20:22:00karamazovapyyeah, sort of a fun surprise
20:23:00karamazovapyI like using "team wins" to determine the event winners
20:23:00raptoryeah, i think it's a good idea
20:23:00karamazovapythat way you can always blame your crappy team if you lose
20:23:00raptorhahaha
20:24:00karamazovapyalso, it helps everybody get a little success if they play
20:28:00karamazovapyhttps://www.msu.edu/~youattan/BBBSoccer.mp4
20:29:00raptorthanks!
20:29:00raptorwait
20:29:00raptor0 bytes
20:29:00karamazovapyreally?
20:29:00karamazovapyhm
20:29:00raptor0 bytes again
20:30:00karamazovapyyeah, I just removed it cause there was an upload error...re-upping
20:30:00karamazovapy40%
20:31:00karamazovapyit should be 44.9MB when it's done
20:31:00raptorok
20:31:00karamazovapy65%
20:33:00karamazovapydamn...same problem
20:34:00karamazovapyuploading elsewhere
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20:38:00karamazovapyhttp://hotfile.com/dl/129654251/46b0007/BBBSoccer.mp4.html
20:42:00raptorgot it! thanks!
20:42:00raptornow to turn off george winston..
20:42:00karamazovapylike I said - it looks a lot like sam's video
20:43:00karamazovapyfrankly, I think I was behind goals 4-7
20:47:00raptori think soccer is a good game type if the maps are made well
20:47:00raptorbecause you have to play totally different
20:49:00karamazovapyhow so, do you think?
20:49:00raptora lot of times you have to ignore the other team players and dodge, focusing on the ball
20:50:00karamazovapyyeah...the exact opposite can be true, too, though
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21:01:00karamazovapyI actually did capture one of the coolest bitfighter moments EVER
21:01:00raptorelaborate
21:02:00karamazovapyit'll HAVE to go on youtube...but I'm uploading it to hotfile right now
21:02:00karamazovapyhttp://hotfile.com/dl/129655443/f8c2edb/nowthatsfuckingteamwork.avi.html
21:03:00raptori get to wait for 8 minutes "I've reached my hourly traffic"
21:03:00karamazovapyoh no!
21:04:00raptorthat's ok, i can wait
21:08:00karamazovapythis one works the way it's supposed to: https://www.msu.edu/~youattan/nowthatsfuckingteamwork.avi
21:09:00raptorgot it
21:09:00raptorha!
21:10:00raptorslick move
21:10:00karamazovapycrazy timing!
21:11:00karamazovapypeople who don't play the game won't get what happens there, but if you do...
21:11:00raptorthat's crazy
21:42:00karamazovapybitfightervideo got 425 views in the past week
21:42:00karamazovapy5% women
21:42:00karamazovapylol
21:42:00karamazovapygood news is, aged 18-34
21:43:00raptormajority in that age range?
21:43:00raptoror all the women?
21:46:00karamazovapythe women
21:47:00karamazovapyour guys for the past week have only been 10% 13-17
21:47:00karamazovapyabout 26% 25-34
21:47:00karamazovapy~34% 35-44
21:47:00raptoroh wow, cool
21:48:00karamazovapyat least the ones checking out bitfighter vids on youtube
21:48:00karamazovapyreddit must skew older than I thought
21:49:00raptoryeah, i figured most of reddit is nearing 30
21:49:00karamazovapyalthough I guess a lot of those came from the linuxaria article
21:49:00raptori never even ehard of linuxaria before that link
21:49:00raptorheard
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