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| 00:04:00 | raptor | ok, well, that was a short, tasty dinner |
| 00:10:00 | Watusimoto | great, now I'm hungry |
| 00:17:00 | raptor | midnight munchies? |
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| 02:02:00 | zoomber_giantima | hi |
| 02:02:00 | raptor | hi |
| 02:03:00 | zoomber_giantima | it looks as though my servers dominate the land of bitfighter servers |
| 02:04:00 | raptor | ha |
| 02:04:00 | raptor | 4 of 5? |
| 02:04:00 | zoomber_giantima | yes |
| 02:05:00 | zoomber_giantima | the ping timed out one is that finland guy's one |
| 02:05:00 | raptor | i wonder when that one is actually used... |
| 02:05:00 | zoomber_giantima | rarley |
| 02:05:00 | zoomber_giantima | its hard to play on a server thats constantly ping timed out |
| 02:06:00 | zoomber_giantima | i know he has a website, hosting services, and an irc server |
| 02:06:00 | zoomber_giantima | have you thought of getting bitfighter its own irc server? |
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| 02:06:00 | raptor | you mean embedded in the master? |
| 02:07:00 | zoomber_giantima | no, i mean, run by us |
| 02:07:00 | raptor | haven't put much thought into it yet... |
| 02:08:00 | zoomber_giantima | if you only have one room in an irc server, say irc.bitfighter.org |
| 02:08:00 | zoomber_giantima | and you connect to irc.bitfighter.org |
| 02:08:00 | zoomber_giantima | do you still have to join #server, or can you program it to auto join the only room |
| 02:08:00 | raptor | i'm sure auto join can be programmed |
| 02:08:00 | zoomber_giantima | hypothetically saying we had a 'Irc.bitfighter.org' |
| 02:09:00 | zoomber_giantima | snapple in a glass with shreeded ice cubes makes it look like its a cocktail |
| 02:10:00 | raptor | i remember snapple - i don't think i've had one of those in years |
| 02:10:00 | raptor | maybe even a decade |
| 02:13:00 | zoomber_giantima | peach tea is my favorite |
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| 02:15:00 | raptor | zoomber_giantima: question |
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| 02:15:00 | zoomber_ibm | sorry, working on different computers/different rooms... |
| 02:15:00 | zoomber_ibm | but, yes? |
| 02:15:00 | raptor | if two people are playing on the same IP and you try to kick one of them, will it always kick the right one? |
| 02:16:00 | zoomber_ibm | yes, it should |
| 02:16:00 | sam686 | as for a linux + bitfighter 016 + ps3 joystick problem, there is a problem with not reading inputs correctly, as if it missed some joystick events in SDL... This problem does not happen in bitfighter 015 (no SDL there) |
| 02:16:00 | zoomber_ibm | but banning the ip might ban both of them...\ |
| 02:16:00 | raptor | sam686: is that just for ps3? |
| 02:16:00 | sam686 | yes, for ps3 controller... |
| 02:17:00 | zoomber_ibm | i could try to back sam up there. i use a ps3 controller for bitfighter too |
| 02:17:00 | raptor | did you find something on the internet with the stated problem? |
| 02:17:00 | sam686 | that is for linux, the same might not happen in mac... |
| 02:18:00 | sam686 | i have linux, i have ps3 controller USB, and i have bitfighter 016 (so does CrazyLinuxMan) it happens to me, too... |
| 02:18:00 | zoomber_ibm | true, which is probably why i should find my controller and test it |
| 02:19:00 | zoomber_ibm | sam, does your computer support bluetooth? |
| 02:19:00 | zoomber_ibm | ig, does it have a bluetooth card? |
| 02:19:00 | sam686 | no, my computer do not have bluetooth... |
| 02:20:00 | sam686 | i guess it could be possible to connect a controller to computer wirelessly using bluetooth... |
| 02:20:00 | Zoomber | sam686 , get this http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINI-USB-2-0-BLUETOOTH-V2-0-EDR-DONGLE-WIRELESS-ADAPTER-/190389048984?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c54125698#ht_500wt_1398 |
| 02:20:00 | Zoomber | hopefully $1.86 is affordable. if not. i will buy it and ship it to you |
| 02:21:00 | zoomber_ibm | i have one for my ibm desktop |
| 02:21:00 | zoomber_ibm | works great, even connects fine with my apple mouse, which is rare |
| 02:22:00 | sam686 | probably better off finding it on my local store first, its faster that way... |
| 02:22:00 | sam686 | ...if they have it.. |
| 02:23:00 | raptor | baby steps... how should we solve the ps3 problem? |
| 02:23:00 | raptor | does it have to do with analog input? |
| 02:23:00 | sam686 | but not sure if i need that bluetooth adapter... |
| 02:23:00 | zoomber_ibm | usually local stores probably wont have chinese manufactured usb dongle at 2$ |
| 02:23:00 | sam686 | somehow that ps3 problem does not happen in bitfighter 015, but the problem starts in 016, after the switch to SDL joystick code.. |
| 02:24:00 | zoomber_ibm | what exactly happens when you use the controller in game? |
| 02:25:00 | sam686 | then I ran 015 and 016 at the same time, 016 frequently thinks i am holding down a joystick button or holding a stick to the left, where 015 always read it correctly.. |
| 02:26:00 | sam686 | it even says so when viewing diagnostics (F7) |
| 02:26:00 | raptor | only in linux? |
| 02:26:00 | sam686 | CrazyLinuxMan also says it does not happen on 015, but this problem happen on 016 only.. |
| 02:27:00 | sam686 | the problem might be coming from SDL in linux... |
| 02:31:00 | raptor | sam686: could it be the ps3 driver for the linux kernel? |
| 02:32:00 | raptor | i can't seem to find reference to this problem with SDL and linux anywhere (yet) |
| 02:33:00 | sam686 | probably not, problem does not happen in bitfighter 015, only 016 have problems.. |
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| 02:50:00 | sam686 | the ps3 joystick problem does not happen in windows (when using GameSaike sixaxis driver, as windows XP don't have a working driver by default) |
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| 03:07:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit 9ed69b8b6400 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Remove multi-function RPC method GameConnection::c2sAdminPlayerAction and replace it with specific RPC calls |
| 03:17:00 | | zoomber_ibm enjoys code that looks like c++ but at least has comments that tells you what each thing means, and what line causes the problem when theres a crash |
| 03:17:00 | | raptor is confused |
| 03:19:00 | raptor | the TNL RPC stuff is so cryptic... |
| 03:20:00 | Zoomber | i think i just did something coooooooooooooooool |
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| 03:27:00 | Zoomber | raptor |
| 03:27:00 | raptor | Zoomber |
| 03:27:00 | Zoomber | connect to irc.maxhushahn.com |
| 03:27:00 | sam686 | there may be one way to fix linux ps3 joystick problem in 016, in linux don't use SDL joystick and instead go back to the way 015 had it.... |
| 03:27:00 | sam686 | as problem don't happen in 015.. |
| 03:28:00 | raptor | noooo |
| 03:28:00 | sam686 | any other way to fix the problem? |
| 03:28:00 | Zoomber | dont use SDL?? |
| 03:28:00 | raptor | SDL choice has been made |
| 03:29:00 | Zoomber | sdl rulllllllllllllllllllllllllles |
| 03:29:00 | raptor | not sure yet - i've been reading lots of people use ps3 with SDL game in linux just fine... |
| 03:29:00 | Zoomber | now join my irc server! |
| 03:30:00 | raptor | sam686: you say that raw input shows the problem? |
| 03:30:00 | sam686 | yes in bitfighter 016 |
| 03:30:00 | raptor | just curious - can you try the reset button on the back of the controller? i think you need a pin to do it |
| 03:30:00 | sam686 | and that may cause problem during game play, such as hitting an invisible wall effect.. |
| 03:31:00 | sam686 | i don't think thats the problem... |
| 03:31:00 | sam686 | as the problem simply do not happen in bitfighter 015 |
| 03:31:00 | raptor | *sigh* |
| 03:32:00 | raptor | i'm just brainstorming... not sure what else to do - I need to find someone wiht the same problem on the internet |
| 03:32:00 | sam686 | CrazyLinuxMan have the same problem |
| 03:32:00 | raptor | just curious, what version of SDL do you have in your ubuntu again? |
| 03:33:00 | sam686 | how do i find out? |
| 03:34:00 | raptor | cat /usr/include/SDL/SDL_version.h | grep -b2 PATCH |
| 03:34:00 | raptor | (because i don't know the package system on ubuntu very well) |
| 03:34:00 | raptor | you'll see SDL_MAJOR_VERSION |
| 03:35:00 | raptor | and MINOR and PATCHLEVEL |
| 03:37:00 | raptor | http://www.ehow.com/how_7729420_use-ps3-controller-ubuntu.html |
| 03:37:00 | raptor | althought CLN uses fedora... |
| 03:38:00 | sam686 | this is what i see.. http://208.107.52.15/bitfighter/linux_SDL_version.txt |
| 03:38:00 | raptor | 1.2.14 |
| 03:39:00 | zoomber_ibm | back |
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| 03:47:00 | zoomber_ibm | raptor , ever listen to nirvana? |
| 03:48:00 | raptor | sam686: found something: http://superuser.com/questions/17959/linux-joystick-seems-mis-calibrated-in-an-sdl-game-freespace-2-open |
| 03:48:00 | raptor | not sure if it'll help |
| 03:48:00 | raptor | zoomber_ibm: yes, i think so, long time ago |
| 03:48:00 | Zoomber | check out this great reproduction of the song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FklUAoZ6KxY |
| 03:49:00 | raptor | haha, i remember that one |
| 03:50:00 | Zoomber | too clever |
| 03:50:00 | Zoomber | but i liked the origonal song too |
| 03:55:00 | raptor | sam686: i think it's a callibration issue with the newer way the linux kernel accesses joysticks |
| 03:56:00 | raptor | GLUT used the old way.. |
| 03:56:00 | raptor | well - it wasn't GLUT, techincally |
| 03:57:00 | sam686 | i don't think the problem is calibration... the problem simply don't happen in bitfighter 015 |
| 03:57:00 | raptor | that's because there are two ways to access the joystick in linux |
| 03:58:00 | raptor | I think SDL is using the newer way - which is causing the problem for specific joysticks |
| 03:59:00 | sam686 | is it possible to tell SDL to not use the newer method? |
| 03:59:00 | sam686 | or other methods? |
| 03:59:00 | raptor | yes, read here: http://superuser.com/questions/17959/linux-joystick-seems-mis-calibrated-in-an-sdl-game-freespace-2-open |
| 03:59:00 | raptor | read the solution |
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| 04:00:00 | raptor | i suggest trying with: SDL_JOYSTICK_DEVICE=/dev/input/js0 ./bitfighter |
| 04:01:00 | raptor | i am currently looking in the SDL headers to see if there is something to manipulate.. |
| 04:01:00 | sam686 | i tried SDL_JOYSTICK_DEVICE=/dev/input/js0 but the problem is still the same, that didn't make any difference.. |
| 04:02:00 | raptor | you did that on the same line as launching bitfighter? |
| 04:02:00 | sam686 | or i used a set command, not sure if it meant other way to set it.. |
| 04:03:00 | raptor | ok, try removing the module 'evdev' |
| 04:04:00 | sam686 | i get a ERROR: Module evdev does not exist on /proc/modules |
| 04:06:00 | raptor | huh |
| 04:06:00 | raptor | try loading it :) |
| 04:06:00 | raptor | modprove evdev |
| 04:06:00 | raptor | *modprobe |
| 04:07:00 | sam686 | modprove evdev seems to do nothing... |
| 04:08:00 | sam686 | although there was no errors running that command.. |
| 04:08:00 | sam686 | but, still have ps3 + bitfighter 016 problem... |
| 04:09:00 | Zoomber | raptor, this must be the best by weird al |
| 04:09:00 | Zoomber | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo74Dn7W_pA |
| 04:10:00 | raptor | oh yes |
| 04:10:00 | raptor | my favorite |
| 04:10:00 | Zoomber | uh oh, it looks like my ibm computer lost internet connection |
| 04:11:00 | Zoomber | has karamazovapy seen them? |
| 04:11:00 | raptor | sam686: try: SDL_LINUX_JOYSTICK="/dev/input/js0 6 0 0" ./bitfighter |
| 04:14:00 | Zoomber | trying out wps |
| 04:15:00 | sam686 | same problem... when using SDL_LINUX_JOYSTICK="/dev/input/js0 6 0 0" ./bitfighter |
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| 04:15:00 | Zoomber | wow, its about time it ping timedout |
| 04:16:00 | Zoomber | it lost connection like 100 minutes ago |
| 04:17:00 | sam686 | ping timed out 260 seconds == 4.33 minutes, not 100 minutes |
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| 04:17:00 | Zoomber | i know |
| 04:18:00 | Zoomber | but i stopped recieving messages a while eariler |
| 04:18:00 | Zoomber | way before 4.33 minutes |
| 04:18:00 | Zoomber | but somehow i was still connected |
| 04:18:00 | Zoomber | like, i could only send |
| 04:22:00 | sam686 | raptor, got any idea of what would fix the problem, other then going back to linux 015 input code? |
| 04:22:00 | raptor | is there a joystick calibration utility for linux? |
| 04:24:00 | sam686 | jscal? |
| 04:25:00 | raptor | have you used that before? |
| 04:25:00 | sam686 | i don't think i need to calibrate, as it is centered at (0,0) and goes to full range... |
| 04:25:00 | sam686 | haven't used it at all before.. |
| 04:25:00 | sam686 | again, problem don't happen in bitfighter 015, only 016 have problems... |
| 04:26:00 | raptor | yes, and that is because SDL is using a different way to access joystick info |
| 04:26:00 | Zoomber | true |
| 04:26:00 | raptor | because it is using a completely different method to access raw input, calibration can be an issue |
| 04:28:00 | sam686 | when i try to run jscal, i get segmentation fault... |
| 04:28:00 | sam686 | owner@owner86-laptop:~$ jscal /dev/input/js0 -c Joystick has 28 axes and 112 buttons. Calibrating precision: wait and don't touch the joystick. Segmentation fault |
| 04:29:00 | raptor | haha |
| 04:29:00 | raptor | great |
| 04:29:00 | raptor | that stinks |
| 04:29:00 | raptor | ok |
| 04:29:00 | raptor | try the following: |
| 04:29:00 | raptor | in Joystick.cpp in method bool Joystick::initJoystick() |
| 04:30:00 | raptor | add as the first line: SDL_putenv((char *)"SDL_JOYSTICK_DEVICE=/dev/input/js0"); |
| 04:30:00 | raptor | just to rule this option out... |
| 04:34:00 | sam686 | looks like the problem is gone after putting that SDL_putenv((char *)"SDL_JOYSTICK_DEVICE=/dev/input/js0"); in |
| 04:35:00 | raptor | really??? |
| 04:35:00 | raptor | sweet!! |
| 04:37:00 | raptor | ok, just tried it with my friends xbox 360 controller... |
| 04:37:00 | raptor | looks like the dpad shows up as axis now |
| 04:37:00 | sam686 | an obvious side effect of using that SDL_JOYSTICK_DEVICE=/dev/input/js0 is that you can only use one joystick, at js0.. |
| 04:40:00 | sam686 | i see that with my dual action joystick... |
| 04:41:00 | sam686 | using that SDL_JOYSTICK_DEVICE makes d-pad shpw up as axis, not using SDL_JOYSTICK makes dpad show up as pov (not extra axis) |
| 04:41:00 | sam686 | but, ps3 controller, it doesn't seem to make any difference between old and newer methods.. |
| 04:41:00 | raptor | yeah... |
| 04:41:00 | raptor | so |
| 04:42:00 | raptor | what to do? |
| 04:42:00 | raptor | i think we should default to new method |
| 04:42:00 | raptor | but somehow change it to old for specific joysticks |
| 04:44:00 | sam686 | sure, if it finds ps3 controller, use old method... but where would the old method be? js0 or js1 or js2? |
| 04:45:00 | raptor | yeah... thinking about that |
| 04:45:00 | raptor | i wonder if there is a way to get device name from sdl |
| 04:45:00 | Zoomber | setting up my chanserv |
| 04:45:00 | raptor | or if SDL maps joystick indexes directly to js[index] |
| 04:45:00 | Zoomber | this is fun |
| 05:10:00 | raptor | also, I don't know if SDL_JOYSTICK_DEVICE is very multi-joystick friendly... |
| 05:12:00 | raptor | mayeb we should just make it an INI option... |
| 05:17:00 | sam686 | i think my left analog stick of my dual action joystick is going bad... when i slowly move the stick left, it says the value is jumping up and down a lot, up to 20% jumps |
| 05:18:00 | raptor | yuk |
| 05:20:00 | raptor | so what do you think? INI option for now? |
| 05:22:00 | sam686 | ok.. |
| 05:33:00 | raptor | have to go to sleep - will work on this tomorrow... unless you already have |
| 05:34:00 | sam686 | ok, bye raptor... |
| 05:34:00 | raptor | night |
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| 06:07:00 | Zoomber | hey sam686 you still up? |
| 06:07:00 | sam686 | hi |
| 06:08:00 | Zoomber | its been 3 hours, But i FiNALLy got everything working |
| 06:08:00 | Zoomber | i think |
| 06:08:00 | Zoomber | join irc.maxhushahn.com #bitfighter |
| 06:10:00 | Zoomber | hang on. i need to restar tit |
| 06:10:00 | Zoomber | restart it* |
| 06:13:00 | Zoomber | sam686: ok, it works now |
| 06:13:00 | Zoomber | join #zoomber |
| 06:14:00 | sam686 | i don't think yours supports SSL like freenode does, does it? |
| 06:14:00 | Zoomber | i compiled it without it, want me to re configure with? |
| 06:15:00 | sam686 | for you information, raptor almost always use SSL in freenode... |
| 06:16:00 | Zoomber | he got in before, but ill re-build it with ssl supported |
| 06:16:00 | sam686 | ok.. |
| 06:17:00 | Zoomber | this may take a while, im doing it on my ibm, not the imac |
| 06:18:00 | Zoomber | does sam686 use ssl on freenode? |
| 06:18:00 | sam686 | look at /whois sam686, does it say it is using a secure connection? |
| 06:19:00 | Zoomber | what i meant was, has sam686 ever used it with freenode before |
| 06:19:00 | sam686 | i do use ssl secure connection with freenode... |
| 06:20:00 | sam686 | look at my connect messages to freenode: |
| 06:20:00 | sam686 | 21:40:42] Starting Secure Socket Layer handshake |
| 06:20:00 | sam686 | [21:40:43] [SSL]: Current transmission cipher |
| 06:20:00 | sam686 | [21:40:43] [SSL]: Cipher: DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA |
| 06:20:00 | sam686 | [21:40:43] [SSL]: Version: TLSv1/SSLv3 |
| 06:20:00 | sam686 | [21:40:43] [SSL]: Bits: 256 (256 used) |
| 06:20:00 | sam686 | [21:40:43] Secure connection established [card.freenode.net (38.229.70.20:6697)] |
| 06:21:00 | sam686 | not that freenode port 6697 only accepts secure connection, where freenode port 6667 allows non-secure (and maybe secure) connection |
| 06:22:00 | sam686 | a list of port number for freenode is shown here. http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml |
| 06:24:00 | Zoomber | yes |
| 06:32:00 | Zoomber | ok, its back online |
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| 06:34:00 | Zoomber | just tested SSL |
| 06:34:00 | Zoomber | its in working order for me |
| 06:35:00 | sam686 | ssl doesn't work in your server... |
| 06:35:00 | sam686 | [SOCKET ERROR]: Secure Socket Layer error |
| 06:35:00 | sam686 | and now i get Server ERROR: :Closing Link: [208.107.52.15] (Throttled: Reconnecting too fast) -Email maxhushahn@maxhushahn.com for more information. |
| 06:36:00 | sam686 | i don't think i will get any information from emailing at that address.... |
| 06:38:00 | Zoomber | you might..who knows |
| 06:39:00 | Zoomber | this is whats logging on my Chanserv right now |
| 06:39:00 | zoomber_ibm | http://pastebin.com/mJfufg5K |
| 06:41:00 | Zoomber | my message |
| 06:41:00 | sam686 | it doesn't show anything about SSL security stuff... |
| 06:42:00 | Zoomber | tells me "***you are connected to irc.maxhushahn.com with TLSv1- |
| 06:42:00 | Zoomber | however, the message cuts off |
| 06:42:00 | Zoomber | that doesnt show up when i connect normally |
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| 06:44:00 | Zoomber | hi flynnn |
| 06:48:00 | sam686 | still, freenode have several servers linked together to ack like one server.. if one server fails, everyone can usually auto-connect to other freenode servers when using irc.freenode.net |
| 06:54:00 | Zoomber | hmmm |
| 06:54:00 | Zoomber | that could be arranged.. |
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| 06:56:00 | sam686 | in http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml it shows most of a list of servers available... |
| 06:56:00 | sam686 | they are all linked together as if there is only one server... |
| 06:56:00 | sam686 | ... unless there happen to be *.net *.split problems.. |
| 06:57:00 | Zoomber | mine will be irc.maxhushahn.com and irc2.maxhushahn.com |
| 06:58:00 | Zoomber | though, ill probably have to throw in a few more hours into the black hole |
| 07:00:00 | sam686 | the same problem could happen to bitfighter master server, as there is only one that is mainly used... if it goes down then trouble... |
| 07:01:00 | Zoomber | we could run more than one.. |
| 07:01:00 | Zoomber | why not? I have 4 vps, you have your desktop computer running all night, i have mine doing the same, watuismoto has an extra vps |
| 07:01:00 | sam686 | but, master aren't required to play bitfighter, where IRC server is needed or we won't be able to chat |
| 07:02:00 | sam686 | such as zap's master are not required to play old version of zap.. |
| 07:02:00 | Zoomber | no, but the absense of zap's master server severley cripples the ability to start matches between players |
| 07:03:00 | Zoomber | there is no recent server or 'using server list form last successful connect' list |
| 07:03:00 | Zoomber | plus, sometimes no list for certain players |
| 07:03:00 | sam686 | master is basically only needed to find other servers available online for zap / bitfighter |
| 07:04:00 | Zoomber | which can mean alot if you dont know the server's ip ( cant use /connect or -server) |
| 07:04:00 | sam686 | some extras like chatting in lobby and underline names need to use master in bitfighter |
| 07:04:00 | Zoomber | plus, cant chat in lobby |
| 07:04:00 | Zoomber | yes |
| 07:05:00 | sam686 | sometimes, master can even help with punching through firewall, in bitfighter.. |
| 07:05:00 | Zoomber | yes, which is helpfull |
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| 07:09:00 | Zoomber | hey sam686: it seems as if my 208 vps has nothing against an irc server, besides not providing support tickets on irc software |
| 07:10:00 | Zoomber | that could mean, three irc servers. more than enough |
| 07:10:00 | sam686 | maybe, but what is that irc server going to be used for? |
| 07:13:00 | zoomber_ibm | sam686: still, freenode have several servers linked together to ack like one server.. if one server fails, everyone can usually auto-connect to other freenode servers when using irc.freenode.net |
| 07:13:00 | Zoomber | as in, thats what its usefull for. since it has bad time ticks anyways |
| 07:14:00 | sam686 | ok, but what is all of your IRC serve be used for? |
| 07:17:00 | zoomber_ibm | i have no idea yet. i did it purely for fun |
| 07:18:00 | sam686 | whats a bit different in irc.freenode.net is it resolves to lots of different IP addresses... |
| 07:19:00 | sam686 | try ping irc.freenode.net one time it is Pinging chat.freenode.net [213.92.8.4] and another is chat.freenode.net [174.143.119.91] |
| 07:20:00 | zoomber_ibm | yep |
| 07:21:00 | sam686 | look at this: http://my-addr.com/domain_a_lookup-find_a_record-a_checker/domain_a_record_lookup.php?domain=chat.freenode.net&x=0&y=0 |
| 07:21:00 | sam686 | it shows a list of ip addresses |
| 07:21:00 | sam686 | and one of a random IP is selected to connect to |
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| 15:36:00 | watusimoto | hi all |
| 15:36:00 | watusimoto | I've noticed that recently 1) games played are down 2) quantity of messages on the forums has increased and 3) quality of those messages has plummeted |
| 15:37:00 | watusimoto | sign of the apocolypse? |
| 15:37:00 | raptor | accurate analysis |
| 15:37:00 | raptor | maybe school has been getting in the way? |
| 15:37:00 | watusimoto | I think it's demons |
| 15:38:00 | watusimoto | though... over 40 players on the 28th |
| 15:38:00 | raptor | yes, that was a fun night |
| 15:40:00 | watusimoto | I'm told my visa may be approved soon |
| 15:40:00 | watusimoto | which would be really great |
| 15:40:00 | raptor | what! |
| 15:40:00 | raptor | you STILL don't have it? |
| 15:41:00 | raptor | I hope you get it soon |
| 15:41:00 | watusimoto | nope |
| 15:42:00 | watusimoto | I just signed a new contract starting Nov 7, and the visa is supposed to be ready by then |
| 15:42:00 | watusimoto | of course, that might mean I don't get paid until December |
| 15:49:00 | raptor | well i hope you get everything worked out - we need our lead developer to be well supported! |
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| 16:07:00 | raptor | so I've been reading up on the TNL RPC classes - I'm not finding anything that suggests an overhead to more RPC methods |
| 16:09:00 | sam686 | 64 RPC methods have 6 bits of overhead, 65-128 RPC methods have 7 bits of overheads, 128-256 RPC methods have 8 bits of overheads, and so on, i guess.. |
| 16:11:00 | raptor | sam686: where di you find that? |
| 16:12:00 | raptor | that makes sense - but I want to know if the RPC methods are actually encoded like that, as opposed to just using an int or something |
| 16:14:00 | sam686 | eventConnection.cpp line 113, that where it initalizes the rpc counts and such at connect time.. |
| 16:16:00 | raptor | i see U32 remoteClassCount |
| 16:16:00 | raptor | wait, i see mEventClassBitSize |
| 16:17:00 | raptor | ok, yes it determines the bit size based on RPC count |
| 16:18:00 | sam686 | yes, as each RPC is sorted in RPCVersion (higher version goes at ending) (then maybe in abc order?), mostly used for master connection.. |
| 16:20:00 | raptor | does it determine RPC count per- class? or total? i.e. does it only increase the bits based on RPC count for GameType class, then adjust for GameConnection (and so on?) |
| 16:20:00 | raptor | or does it add all of them together? |
| 16:21:00 | karamazovapy | have I seen what...? |
| 16:22:00 | sam686 | i think it is per class, not total... |
| 16:24:00 | sam686 | as, localClassCount = NetClassRep::getNetClassCount (getNetClassGroup(), NetClassTypeEvent); is reading number of class of a current class (gameConnection or masterConnection) |
| 16:24:00 | sam686 | number of RPC of a current class... |
| 16:26:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | off topic here, but was the /settime 0 for unlimited deliberately disabled on 16? it now says invalid time. |
| 16:27:00 | sam686 | try /settime 9999999, but will look at that problem... |
| 16:28:00 | karamazovapy | I was a big weird al fan, but this dennis leary tune might exceed all of weird al's stuff - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTVpxxzb2Dc |
| 16:29:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | ok :-) |
| 16:29:00 | sam686 | http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=898 seems to be mostly off topic when it is currently in Bitfighter features, only 8 / 46 replys have the word "Clan" in it... |
| 16:30:00 | karamazovapy | don't be sad. here's a cat in a bathtub. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iXHim3ToQ4 |
| 16:31:00 | sam686 | thats too off topic i think, i won't click on that link.. |
| 16:31:00 | raptor | ok sam686, I'm counting the methods in gameType - should I count group of a specific type, like c2s or s2c? |
| 16:31:00 | raptor | or are they all counted together |
| 16:32:00 | karamazovapy | you're right, though - that thread turned into recruitment discussion |
| 16:32:00 | sam686 | c2s and s2c and others are counted together... |
| 16:33:00 | raptor | we should hand out demerits of some sort for steering topics away |
| 16:34:00 | karamazovapy | that one evolved pretty naturally, though |
| 16:34:00 | karamazovapy | why won't clans work? not enough people. well how do we get more people? |
| 16:35:00 | raptor | sam686: GameType has 49 RPC methods |
| 16:36:00 | raptor | I've added 13 or so in the last two weeks |
| 16:36:00 | raptor | that means it was using 36 before = 5 bits |
| 16:36:00 | raptor | and still using 5 bits |
| 16:36:00 | raptor | so I won't feel bad about adding any until i hit 63 |
| 16:36:00 | raptor | 64 |
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| 16:41:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | Hey guys, I was wondering if you ever considered making public betas for bitfighter? I think they would be handy when it gets close to release for ironing out those last few bugs. |
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| 16:46:00 | raptor | CrazyLinuxNerd: we've talked about it a bit; watusimoto has alluded to the fact that public betas haven't done so well in the past |
| 16:46:00 | raptor | 016 in its current state is not ready yet for beta... |
| 16:47:00 | raptor | you're brave enough to compile though - so i wasn't going to stop you... :) |
| 16:47:00 | sam686 | and, what about that linux + bitfighter 016 + ps3 sixaxis joystick problem?... kind of figured out what the problem is.. |
| 16:48:00 | raptor | sam686: oh yeah - did you find a better solution than my hack? |
| 16:48:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | I didn't mean right now. I was thinking maybe when you "think" 016 is ready for release, post one just before release. - As for me doing it, most users are windows.. I'm on linux :o. |
| 16:49:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | actually that's not true, you got a couple of mac users it would seem. |
| 16:49:00 | sam686 | there is zoomber (mostly mac only) that knows how to compile for mac... |
| 16:50:00 | raptor | CrazyLinuxNerd: download counts: |
| 16:50:00 | raptor | Hi Abhishek, |
| 16:50:00 | raptor | All works fine. |
| 16:50:00 | raptor | Thanks! |
| 16:50:00 | raptor | D |
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| 16:50:00 | raptor | oops, wrong clipboard... |
| 16:50:00 | raptor | http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/downloads/list |
| 16:50:00 | raptor | ^^ there we go |
| 16:50:00 | raptor | ignore my work e-mail... |
| 16:50:00 | sam686 | haha, who is Abhishek? |
| 16:50:00 | | karamazovapy doesn't know any Abhisheks |
| 16:51:00 | raptor | he is in IT deployment at my work.. |
| 16:51:00 | | karamazovapy goes to do thesis work |
| 16:51:00 | raptor | bye karamazovapy |
| 16:51:00 | | karamazovapy is 32 pages in, likely with another 18 or so remaining |
| 16:51:00 | sam686 | ok... becareful with copy and paste, you could somehow copy a password into a clipboard... |
| 16:52:00 | | raptor wonders if there is a thesis minimum page count to be considered a 'real' thesis |
| 16:52:00 | raptor | sam686: haha, yep |
| 16:52:00 | | karamazovapy has heard rumors of papers everywhere from 10-100 pages |
| 16:53:00 | | CrazyLinuxNerd has pasted a password into irc before... |
| 16:53:00 | | raptor 's dad's thesis was 110 pages entitled "you are what you eat or you eat what you are" |
| 16:55:00 | raptor | ok, back to the ps3 problem - sam686, can you think of a better way to implement than using an INI setting for now? |
| 16:55:00 | sam686 | maybe at one time, (didn't hapen to me yet) you could forget to type a / or double type // when doing "nickserv identify password" while in a channel, then oops... |
| 16:56:00 | sam686 | i don't know if there is a better way to implement a better way then an ini setting... |
| 16:57:00 | raptor | ok, i'll do that; then CrazyLinuxNerd can test again if he wants... :) |
| 16:58:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | I don't mind testing :-) compiling stuff is a day to day thing for me :) |
| 16:59:00 | sam686 | one problem with me compiling is it takes like 6 minutes to compile on my slow computer... |
| 16:59:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | you think that's a long time? try compiling a linux kernel... |
| 17:00:00 | sam686 | i want it to compile as fast as 3 seconds... |
| 17:00:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | maybe you could try without make clean? it should only compile changes then |
| 17:01:00 | raptor | fastest i've gotten a clean compile was like 19 seconds on my 8-thread machine at work - and that was after all the headers were cached (e.g. compiled once before hand) |
| 17:01:00 | sam686 | make without clean often don't work right (fails at linking) when some of .h files have changed... |
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| 17:01:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah true, but for quick changes it should be ok :-) |
| 17:01:00 | raptor | yeah, if you change headers you have to make clean |
| 17:02:00 | sam686 | make -B is force compile everything (where clean is specific to some makefile) |
| 17:03:00 | sam686 | make clean won't work in makefiles that don't spesify hwo to clean it.. |
| 17:03:00 | raptor | yes, i guess 'clean' is subject to the programmer's whim |
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| 17:29:00 | raptor | I just found and interesting side effect of using that SDL environment vairable, sam686 |
| 17:29:00 | raptor | i adds on your joystick to the detected SDL one through /dev/input/eventX.. |
| 17:29:00 | raptor | so SDL will detect two joysticks, with the first being the /dev/input/js0 |
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| 17:35:00 | Zoomber | hi |
| 17:35:00 | Zoomber | raptor on? |
| 17:36:00 | raptor | I think i must be culturally bereft since I have not seen Young Einstein |
| 17:37:00 | Zoomber | neither have I |
| 17:38:00 | Zoomber | my poor flimsy usb wlan adapter seeems to keep giving in and loosing connection, even though it says its connected |
| 17:38:00 | Zoomber | i think ill go and get m y airport extreme adapter again |
| 17:38:00 | raptor | i'll be back - have to move furniture... |
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| 17:49:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit 38e3c776c79c | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Workaround for some joysticks in linux having mis-calibration issues because of SDL using newer event system. This is a horrible hack - please read the long- winded comment in Joystick::initJoystick() for more info |
| 17:55:00 | Zoomber | ah, found a sort-of fix for the controller raptor? |
| 17:55:00 | raptor | y |
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| 18:04:00 | raptor | i am almost ashamed that this hack is in the code... |
| 18:05:00 | Zoomber | wasnt there an initjoystick problem for macs way back eariler? |
| 18:05:00 | Zoomber | that would just crash bitfighter entirley? |
| 18:05:00 | raptor | yes |
| 18:05:00 | raptor | but that is gone |
| 18:05:00 | raptor | since the rewrite in SDL |
| 18:05:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 18:06:00 | raptor | just forget any assumptions or knowledge you may have had for 015a and earlier :) |
| 18:06:00 | raptor | it's a whole new world |
| 18:07:00 | Zoomber | i need to find out what state the irc3.maxhushahn.com server is in |
| 18:09:00 | raptor | be back laterz - carpet cleaners are coming |
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| 18:20:00 | zoomber_ibm | hi flynnn |
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| 19:34:00 | zoomber_ibm | whois zoomber |
| 19:34:00 | zoomber_ibm | oops |
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| 20:06:00 | Zoomber | hi sam686 |
| 20:08:00 | sam686 | hi' |
| 20:08:00 | Zoomber | still working on the server |
| 20:21:00 | sam686 | My internet had some problem with several disconnect today.. but my internet disconnect only happened today, and i think it won't happen after that day... |
| 20:23:00 | Zoomber | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v94UsV3pF9U&feature=share |
| 20:23:00 | Zoomber | :O |
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| 20:45:00 | Zoomber | hi sam686 |
| 20:45:00 | sam686 | how many hi do i have to say? 100? |
| 20:45:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | carm down same, his just trying to be nice... |
| 20:45:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | sam* |
| 20:45:00 | sam686 | ok.. |
| 20:46:00 | sam686 | carm? or calm? |
| 20:46:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | both lol |
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| 21:04:00 | Zoomber | hi watusimoto |
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| 21:12:00 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 21:13:00 | Zoomber | watusimoto : just for fun, i created my own irc server (irc.maxhushahn.com) |
| 21:13:00 | Watusimoto | cool |
| 21:13:00 | | CrazyLinuxNerd sends a bunch of spam bots to zoombers server |
| 21:13:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lol kidding |
| 21:14:00 | Zoomber | lol, bring it on |
| 21:14:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lol |
| 21:15:00 | Zoomber | cln: join #zoomber there if you can |
| 21:15:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | sure hold on |
| 21:17:00 | Watusimoto | I think I was the only user |
| 21:18:00 | Zoomber | oh haha, we meant on "irc.maxhushahn.com" |
| 21:18:00 | Zoomber | not freenode |
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| 21:47:00 | raptor | howdy folks |
| 21:47:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | hey raptor |
| 21:47:00 | Zoomber | hi raptor |
| 21:47:00 | Zoomber | raptor: irc.maxhushahn.com #zoomber join the party |
| 21:49:00 | raptor | i was throttled |
| 21:49:00 | raptor | tried to connect via SSL on 6667 (by accident) and got too many connection errors |
| 21:49:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | pwned xD |
| 21:50:00 | Zoomber | oh |
| 21:50:00 | raptor | yeah yeah... |
| 21:50:00 | Zoomber | i do have SSL on |
| 21:50:00 | Zoomber | but it does that |
| 21:50:00 | raptor | i will try again in a few min. |
| 21:51:00 | sam686 | sometimes, auto-reconnect can be a pain, especially if auto reconnect delay is less then 30 seconds... |
| 21:54:00 | sam686 | oh, i got that same problem with too many connections on irc.maxhushahn.com maybe zoomber could get rid of or reduce a problem with re-connect... |
| 21:54:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 21:54:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | haha |
| 21:54:00 | Zoomber | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 21:55:00 | raptor | cool, i can kickban you guys |
| 21:55:00 | Zoomber | ive been banned from my wown room |
| 21:55:00 | Zoomber | thats what i get for making chanserv op you |
| 21:55:00 | raptor | ok ok, you can come back now |
| 21:55:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah zomb, that's why you don't op everyone... |
| 21:55:00 | Zoomber | but all #zoomber rooms are about chaos.. |
| 21:55:00 | raptor | i took op privs away from myself |
| 21:55:00 | sam686 | I don't think raptor want to connect to irc without SSL, and have a hidden host (that is, /whois showing unafiliated) |
| 21:56:00 | Zoomber | raptor got in..i think |
| 21:56:00 | raptor | i didn't use SSL |
| 21:57:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 21:57:00 | Zoomber | lets see if i can fix it |
| 21:58:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lol |
| 21:58:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | zoomber server out of fashion now :-D |
| 21:58:00 | Zoomber | noooo come back |
| 21:58:00 | raptor | i like SSL whenever possible, but if i was really interested in online anonymity, i'd be using a bouncer, too |
| 21:58:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | or just use tor.. |
| 21:59:00 | Zoomber | raptor : so what exactly happens when you connect via ssl? can you try port 6697? |
| 21:59:00 | raptor | sure |
| 22:00:00 | raptor | ssl on 6697 works |
| 22:00:00 | raptor | that wasw what i meant to try at first, i just forgot to change the port |
| 22:00:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 22:00:00 | Zoomber | so, should i change it or try something else? |
| 22:00:00 | raptor | nah, keep it |
| 22:00:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 22:00:00 | raptor | i guess 6697 must be a convention |
| 22:00:00 | sam686 | it seems like ssl works for me in port 6697 |
| 22:01:00 | Zoomber | its just the one i used for listening on |
| 22:01:00 | Zoomber | i also have irc3.maxhushahn.com |
| 22:01:00 | Zoomber | i still need to join them together |
| 22:01:00 | Zoomber | however, i cant do that until i fix my issue not giving me an /oper line |
| 22:02:00 | raptor | sam686: was i working on something bitfightery before the joystick problem? |
| 22:02:00 | raptor | i can't remember |
| 22:03:00 | sam686 | freenode have several servers working together, if you do /whois you will see whick server that person is connected to (raptor is connected through calvino.freenode.net ) |
| 22:03:00 | Zoomber | mostly im through card.freenode.net |
| 22:03:00 | raptor | yay for calvin and hobbes! |
| 22:04:00 | raptor | i usually connect via card, too |
| 22:04:00 | Zoomber | loved their comic |
| 22:04:00 | raptor | ender's game was a goo dbook |
| 22:05:00 | sam686 | for like in a past 30 days, i have always connected to card.freenode.net (almost always)... |
| 22:05:00 | Zoomber | i remember that |
| 22:05:00 | Zoomber | book |
| 22:07:00 | sam686 | raptor i see you added JoystickLinuxUseOldDeviceSystem option, but that is linux only, i don't think that problem happens in windows, and maybe not mac.. |
| 22:07:00 | sam686 | use #ifdef TNL_LINUX or similar? |
| 22:07:00 | raptor | i did |
| 22:07:00 | Zoomber | see why couldnt they use spaces there? |
| 22:07:00 | Zoomber | is it really necessary to design code to hate spaces? |
| 22:08:00 | raptor | the ifdef is in Joystick.cpp = i didn't addit to the other classes because i think ifdef looks ugle (and it wasn't needed) :) |
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| 22:10:00 | sam686 | well, i guess windows users will have an useless JoystickLinuxUseOldDeviceSystem=false line that does nothing in windows... |
| 22:10:00 | sam686 | in ini file |
| 22:11:00 | raptor | yeah.. i added a comment that it does nothing... |
| 22:19:00 | Watusimoto | I'm heading off to bed; won't be around tomorrow. have fun y'all! |
| 22:19:00 | raptor | night |
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| 22:20:00 | Zoomber | poor sam686's internet |
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| 22:31:00 | raptor | CrazyLinuxNerd: are you the culprit here?: http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/detail?id=138 |
| 22:32:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | nope |
| 22:34:00 | raptor | it's a good idea, though... i'm doing it now... |
| 22:35:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | instructions to build bitfighter: hg pull; hg up; make |
| 22:35:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lol |
| 22:35:00 | Zoomber | hey cln, if you have a few spare minutes, come on bitfighter |
| 22:36:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | i can't, my windows vm is hogging resources compiling something -.- |
| 22:37:00 | Zoomber | AH OK |
| 22:37:00 | Zoomber | oops, caps |
| 22:37:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | nvm i think it just crapped out and stopped compiling :-D |
| 22:38:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | next up -shivers- compiling linux kernel 3.1.... |
| 22:38:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | but i'll go on bitfighter for a bit.. i'm bored lol |
| 22:38:00 | raptor | i used to compile my own linux kernels with the minimum modules needed for my system |
| 22:39:00 | raptor | and compile them into the kernel itself, instead of loading by module |
| 22:39:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah i tried the trick i done from fc14 to get fc15 kernel.. it crapped out :-D wanted system v or system d or something.. and that wanted everything else.. dep hell :-D |
| 22:39:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | ah |
| 22:39:00 | raptor | i think i must have gotten a whole 0.1% performance improvement... |
| 22:39:00 | raptor | maybe not even that much... |
| 22:39:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | it's quicker to compile though! |
| 22:40:00 | raptor | haha, yep |
| 22:40:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | ever tried compiling a kernel with *everything*? |
| 22:40:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | you'll be there all week.. even on a quick machine |
| 22:41:00 | raptor | yeah, it's crazy |
| 22:41:00 | raptor | linux supports so much.. |
| 22:41:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | i remember there days, where it supported.. nothing lol |
| 22:48:00 | raptor | really? When compiling in 2003, Linux supported more hardware than any other OS out there |
| 22:48:00 | raptor | but granted most wasn't desktop related... :) |
| 22:48:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah, but sometimes it was hardware people never had specially when it come to wireless, i spent hours sorting my stupid wireless out |
| 22:48:00 | raptor | yes, Linux has had a long, slow, arduous battle on the desktop |
| 22:49:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yup, but now it's kinda rare to find hardware not supported :-D |
| 22:49:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | heck even both intel, amd, ibm etc you name it contribute to the kernel! heck even microsoft contributed.. but i still don't trust microsoft... |
| 22:50:00 | raptor | i trust microsoft much more than apple |
| 22:50:00 | raptor | microsoft has turned around a lot latetly |
| 22:50:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | it's a trick i tell ya |
| 22:50:00 | raptor | at least certain arms of microsoft |
| 22:50:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | they want us to trust them, so they can claim they own code in the kernel and kill linux! |
| 22:50:00 | raptor | i think with companies that large, the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing... |
| 22:51:00 | | CrazyLinuxNerd sounds like a conspiracy theoriest |
| 22:51:00 | | raptor agrees |
| 22:51:00 | raptor | :) |
| 22:51:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | haha |
| 22:52:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | what bugs me though, microsoft claim to own 200+ patents linux infrindges on, and threatens to sue over them.. but yet, no one has actually seen those patents yet... |
| 22:52:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | and they won't reveal them |
| 22:53:00 | raptor | yes, that bothers me too |
| 22:54:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | they should reveal them, so we can work around them, do the same thing, but without infringing on them :p |
| 22:54:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | and i can guarantee that'd happen. |
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| 22:55:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | microsoft and other companies have tried for years to knock linux out of the picture.. it's not going to happen... |
| 23:00:00 | sam686 | as with linux vs windows vs mac? both windows and mac can quickly get outdated, and newer version can easily fail to work on older computers.. Linux usually can run in a lot older hardware with a lot newer software... |
| 23:02:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | ah which reminds me.. |
| 23:02:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | raptor: you said you use opensuse? |
| 23:02:00 | sam686 | eventually, in 5 years, windows XP would be nearly dead as no one hardly sell computer with windows XP as NEW, and soonno more updates for it... |
| 23:03:00 | raptor | yes, i am green |
| 23:04:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | @ raptor: whats the lifespan of suse? how long does it get updates before going EOL? @ sam, all OS have their ups and downs imo, it really is down to personal taste. |
| 23:05:00 | raptor | CrazyLinuxNerd: http://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime |
| 23:05:00 | sam686 | linux is often easy to use command line... after using some command-only servers that zoomber have... |
| 23:06:00 | sam686 | but one problem with linux i have is that on my desktop computer there is 2 graphics card, linux don't do well with multiple graphics card, does it? (windows xp does it near perfectly with 2 graphics card) |
| 23:06:00 | raptor | openSUSE releases are usually 8-10 months + a little extra if isn't stable enough yet |
| 23:06:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | sam686: that's because you have ati i think, maybe a nvidia card would be better for you, nvidia have better drivers. |
| 23:06:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | raptor: thanks |
| 23:08:00 | sam686 | problem with nvidia is, usually they are not open source, which means outdated nvidia graphics maybe older then 4 years, may stop working... |
| 23:08:00 | sam686 | my ATI radeon 9200 is 8 years old i think... |
| 23:09:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | i thought catalyst driver was closed source aswell? |
| 23:09:00 | sam686 | yes, but catalyst drivers don't (or no longer) work in my outdated ati graphics in linux... |
| 23:09:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | though both have open source clones/alternative, nvidia has nouveau or something, and amd some other |
| 23:10:00 | raptor | amd has started open sourcing the binary drivers |
| 23:10:00 | sam686 | open source ati graphics is quite fast for my radeon graphics card anyway.. |
| 23:10:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | raptor: nice, maybe soon the cataylst drivers will be made to work correctly by the community... lol |
| 23:11:00 | raptor | actually, I think ATI developers are working on them directly |
| 23:11:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | brb |
| 23:11:00 | raptor | After AMD bought ATI, they turned everything around.. |
| 23:12:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | back |
| 23:12:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | sorry had to go to toilet.. - anyway, so my other friend has an ati card, one of the new ones, dual card i think, and all i hear him say about it with linux is.. it doesn't work well :/ |
| 23:13:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yet i rarely hear about nvidia problems |
| 23:13:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | except for a bugger driver of course |
| 23:13:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | buggy* |
| 23:14:00 | raptor | NVIDIA is still closed source, but they have the best drivers |
| 23:14:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | personally i've never had problems with nvidia drivers, except for when i had to update my card due to it being old. |
| 23:14:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | but nvidia, for old cards do still release driver updates, the "legacy" updates |
| 23:14:00 | raptor | yep |
| 23:14:00 | sam686 | ati graphics cards (or any open source graphics card deivers) older then 3 years would likely to work very good, as developers probably had time to fix problems with it.. |
| 23:15:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | same goes for nvidia i think |
| 23:16:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | only software to hardware problem i get with linux though, is my second network card, but i think it's more hardware only, for some reason if i reboot my pc twice, linux simply does not see it anymore, and i have to full power off, and back on for it to detect it again.. it's weird |
| 23:17:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | luckily that card is only used by my ps3 :-) |
| 23:19:00 | sam686 | i kind of have the same thing on my desktop, 2 LAN ports (one is on-board, the other is a pci (anti-express) card) (my computer have a slow speed PCI 3 ports + one AGP port) |
| 23:19:00 | sam686 | i usually have both my LAN bridged, as this is on a tiny home network on a router.. |
| 23:20:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah, me as well, standard pci, here. onboard is my router, and pci is one which simply does not power on after a reboot :/ |
| 23:20:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | but sometimes, it works, othertimes it don't |
| 23:20:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yet my wireless card, also in pci, never does it |
| 23:20:00 | sam686 | one port goes for internet, another was often used for connecting directly to my laptop for fastest file transfer (now, often is hooked up to ps3) |
| 23:21:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah, my pci network is my ps3, my pc basically is it's router for it's internet :-) |
| 23:21:00 | sam686 | my desktop runs windows xp almost all the time, and often i leave that desktop computer on all the time... |
| 23:22:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah, card never cuts out while powered on all the time, it only does it if i reboot twice :/ |
| 23:22:00 | sam686 | my desktop computer is very quiet... (unless its cpu is 100% that speeds up the fan) |
| 23:22:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | mines not haha, it doesn't control the fan speed :-) |
| 23:23:00 | sam686 | tell linux to not turn off that card while shutting down? |
| 23:24:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | if i reboot from linux, i'll see card flash up on bios screen, but if i go in bios settings, exit without saving changes, reboot, it doesn't power on again.. or if i hit cntrl alt del while in grub menu, it won't power on again |
| 23:24:00 | sam686 | i have something called speedfan, that i can control the speed of fans, or i can let it do it automatically... |
| 23:24:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah, on linux we have a program called "fancontrol" that does it, but my motherboard doesn't support changing the fan speed at all |
| 23:24:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | it simply can't be done |
| 23:25:00 | sam686 | so, let be guess, fans are hooked up directly into power supply that keeps fan running in full speed? |
| 23:25:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit 1f84300f7d47 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Add README.txt at root with compile/installation instructions. Windows compile instructions still need to be added. Make changes as wanted/needed |
| 23:25:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | exterior ones on case yes, but not the one on the heatsink. |
| 23:26:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | and it can't be adjusted, it simply doesn't adjust pwm values |
| 23:26:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | it's old... |
| 23:26:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lol |
| 23:27:00 | sam686 | My desktop have 3 fans (CPU fan, PSU fan that blows out, and case fan that blows out), i can control all of them, down to 0%, but only PSU fan can only go down to 20 % speed |
| 23:28:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah, i got two dead fans (lol) one on back of case, one on side, and 5 working fans :-) none of which can be controlled. |
| 23:28:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | (that's including psu and cpu) |
| 23:28:00 | raptor | i always like closing GC issues... |
| 23:28:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | oh 6 working actually, forgot one on gpu.. |
| 23:30:00 | | CrazyLinuxNerd runs off to get new build only to find out all you added was a edited readme file and some instructions.... |
| 23:30:00 | raptor | hehe |
| 23:31:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | think i'll skip that rev, not much point updating for that xD |
| 23:31:00 | raptor | yeah... we're doing mostly bugfixes for a long time... |
| 23:31:00 | sam686 | my brother had a laptop that are beaten up basically... keyboard go bad, power supply box go dead (replaced), power connecter wobbles, battery dead and won't charge, there are black dots (dead ants?) inside lcd, dead fan (it can overheat), then cracked lcd, then one of 2 usb port is kind of failing to work, that laptop mostly much useless now |
| 23:32:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | black dots? probably dead pixels rather than ants... |
| 23:32:00 | sam686 | i can tell thats ants or some black dots behind lcd screen, as it wasn't specific to any one pixel.. |
| 23:33:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | maybe someone was being funnny and saying "hey look if i put pressure and hold it across the screen it makes a pattern blur how cool is that" and damaged it in the process.. |
| 23:34:00 | sam686 | mostly the problem (before a broken lcd screen) was overheating.. |
| 23:34:00 | sam686 | because of a dead fan... |
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| 23:34:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | no auto shutdown? |
| 23:35:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | like my desktop then, if anything goes wrong, it will not power off due to heat :-D |
| 23:35:00 | sam686 | when it overheats, it simply turns off, then a long disk scan when starting up again.. |
| 23:35:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | until it litterally cooks and dies that is |
| 23:35:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah, mine won't do that |
| 23:36:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | mine will just carry on until cpu goes pop :-D |
| 23:36:00 | sam686 | so, that laptop my brother had did overheat several times and auto turn off, but works after a while.. |
| 23:36:00 | Zoomber | macs |
| 23:36:00 | Zoomber | all i need to say there |
| 23:36:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | ripoff (expensive) |
| 23:37:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | all i need to respond :p |
| 23:37:00 | Zoomber | everything is temperature monitored |
| 23:37:00 | sam686 | oh, and on my desktop, while playing with speedfan, i accidently neft the CPU fan at 0 %, and computer just turns off, but it did turn on and works just fine after that.. |
| 23:37:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | oh so is mine, my cpu is at 36c, gpu 44c, hd 28c |
| 23:37:00 | sam686 | as in, i left cpu fan at 0 % too long... |
| 23:37:00 | Zoomber | no, i mean let me show you a pci |
| 23:37:00 | Zoomber | pic |
| 23:38:00 | Zoomber | http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9624/screenshot20111031at437.png |
| 23:38:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | anyhows.. my cpu's max reccomended temp is 65C i once accidently cooked it to 85C :-D but it still works luckily.. |
| 23:39:00 | sam686 | My ATI Radeon 9200 doesn't have the ability to measuse tempurature (only my cpu and probably 2 other places on motherboard have temperature measurements) |
| 23:39:00 | sam686 | oh, and my hard disk can measure temperature too... |
| 23:39:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | ah my old gpu never either, only the new one does :-) |
| 23:40:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | as long as a hdd has S.M.A.R.T it should show tempatures |
| 23:41:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | this pc has had 3 gpu's in it so far.. |
| 23:41:00 | sam686 | i remember that my old 8 GB hard disk have S.M.A.R.T., but doesn't have temperature measuring.. |
| 23:41:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | first one i needed to upgrade due to it never had enough memory, second one it cooked it's self, third one still working |
| 23:41:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | ok, any modern disk lol |
| 23:43:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | tbh my cpu should be dead by now though, hitting 85C should of cooked it |
| 23:43:00 | Zoomber | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v94UsV3pF9U&feature=share |
| 23:44:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhm3O15-tc0 |
| 23:46:00 | sam686 | my cpu survived at 90 degrees celcius (as my desktop is pentium 4, cpu slows down when overheating) |
| 23:46:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | mine was due to dry thermal goop xD |
| 23:47:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | i didn't notice until morning when i woke up and found the sucker over heating xD |
| 23:47:00 | Zoomber | not a good morning i suppose? |
| 23:47:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | shutdown quickly, got some new paste and replaced it :-) |
| 23:47:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | no lmao |
| 23:47:00 | sam686 | cpu overheat effects on video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSGcnRanYMM |
| 23:48:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lucky mine is amd, it does not slow down when over heating, it just carrys on like nothing ever happened (well one of my ones age does) |
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