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IRC Log for 2011-12-17

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00:57:00raptorlater
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01:10:00sam686Thats often a bit annoying... Holding down F5 button
01:23:00Zoomberwoooah sooo mcuh cpu usage
01:28:00karamazovapyI see two words that could have been words...if their consonants followed the letter 'u'
01:38:00sam686does Footloose have level change password? BlackBird keep asking to footloose for level change password in contest server
01:38:00sam686hi
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01:48:00karamazovapyanyone who's paid attention should know the level change password for the contest server by now
01:48:00karamazovapyit's always...always...MMYY
01:50:00sam686oh ok, i get it now, i never knew that before
01:50:00sam686(replaces MMYY with numbers)
01:50:00karamazovapyexactly
01:51:00karamazovapyI think it's kind of a nice system, because it means anyone who pays attention to the community automatically has the password
01:51:00raptoryes, good password
01:54:00Zoomberlike, the ones who READ the posts?
02:02:00sam686zoomber having 999 ping in contest server
02:02:00sam686was
02:04:00Zoomberi force quit the game because i didnt want to wait 20 seconds
02:05:00sam686yes thats the freezing that level causes
02:05:00sam686when it freezes the client is buzy calculating clipper for wall edges lines
02:06:00sam686depending on CPU speed, too slow causes it to freeze more then 60 seconds, making the server disconnect that client from not responding
02:24:00raptoridea!
02:25:00raptoroption to turn clipping off for a level
02:25:00raptoractually, that would make levels really ugly
02:28:00Zoomberwhat about a seperate ping-pong thread, if that exists?
02:29:00Zoomberor another process, which just pings the master server every 20 seocnds
02:29:00Zoomberbut quits when no bitfighter process is active
02:31:00raptorit might be a good idea to launch certain processing functions in a different thread...
02:33:00karamazovapyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEu9LLQpOF8
02:44:00raptorwow
02:48:00karamazovapyi no rite?
02:50:00raptor nuts
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04:29:00sam686http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib4ZYNYlu7Y this is what happens when that huge level loads
04:31:00raptorha!
04:38:00sam686http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1120#p9662 i will let people see it to see the problem.
04:40:00raptorhow did you do that?
04:42:00sam686Barrier.cpp, inside void Barrier::prepareRenderingGeometry(Game *game)
04:42:00sam686i added if(barrierList.size() > 5000) barrierList.resize(5000);
04:42:00sam686just before clipRenderLinesToPoly
04:42:00raptorahh... haha funny
04:45:00sam686pretty much only _k and raptor, and zoomber can load that huge level without freeze / disconnect, unless I limit barrierList size
04:48:00raptorkaramazovapy: can you (or I) add a note to the bottom of the contest discussion opening post about needing an Intel iSeries or compatible chip to run SoA?
04:49:00raptorlike say if you computer is not new within the last year and a half or so...
04:49:00raptormaybe 2 years
04:52:00sam686what good does a level do when probably more then half of players can't load that level?
04:53:00raptori'd say it's a good stress testing level for bitfighter
04:53:00raptorwe can use it to test performance :)
04:54:00raptorwell... I could...
04:54:00sam686probably me too, if I use that "if(barrierList.size() > 5000) barrierList.resize(5000);" trick
05:01:00raptorbrb
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05:04:00sam686compy ? (in your latest forum reply in December Contest Discussion)
05:04:00raptoroh, haha. compy = computer
05:05:00raptorjust a goofy word i use sometimes, i guess..
05:05:00sam686i never heard people use "compy" before...
05:05:00sam686was that based on chompy random without the "H"?
05:05:00raptorha! no...
05:05:00raptori've used it for years
05:07:00sam686ok, so it is just another abbreviation for Computer.., though i have seen "COM" abbreviation
05:11:00sam686Little_Apple says: That is exactly what happens on our computer. Exactly. (in forum)
05:11:00raptoryes, it is an endearing term - for the computer you love most
05:14:00sam686so far, "December Contest Discussion", except first post, the rest is only talking about that one level.
05:14:00raptori'm going to post my level analyses soon...
05:27:00raptoralmost done...
05:42:00raptorok finally posted...
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13:01:00raptorgood morning!
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13:34:00Watusimotohi
13:34:00raptorhi
13:35:00raptordid you enter the level design contest?
13:35:00Watusimotono
13:35:00WatusimotoI suck at levels
13:36:00Watusimotoairlock was about the height of my abilit
13:36:00Watusimotoy
13:36:00WatusimotoI have some good ideas, but I fail at execution
13:36:00raptorhave you seen the levels?
13:36:00Watusimotono
13:36:00raptorsome are pretty neat
13:36:00WatusimotoI'll bet
13:37:00WatusimotoI don't like playing levels with curves, but they usually look really good
13:37:00WatusimotoI had a new idea about a tutorial
13:37:00WatusimotoI mentioned it in the forums, but we could include a tutorial level with the game
13:37:00Watusimotoand you would play it by hosting, but the server wouldn't appear on the master list
13:37:00Watusimotoso you would get your own private session
13:37:00raptorah yes
13:37:00raptori like that idea
13:38:00Watusimotostarting at the beginning, with no other players
13:38:00raptoranother option to the main menu? TUTORIAL >
13:38:00Watusimotoyeah, and it would be pretty easy
13:38:00Watusimotoyes
13:38:00Watusimotoof course, we still need a level
13:38:00Watusimotoand to decide what the level should demonstrate
13:38:00Watusimotobut this is a new way of approaching the problem
13:39:00Watusimotodon't need to worry about the complexities of multiple players
13:39:00Watusimotoetc
13:39:00raptoryes
13:39:00raptorwould you want to integrate the fabled supervisor script?
13:39:00Watusimotoprobably. maybe we roll out the basic idea with 016a and make it a hidden option, just to get people thinking about it
13:40:00raptori was thinking we should not aim for Christmas for 016
13:40:00raptorwe need a week of play-testing *after* we finish the current buglists
13:41:00Watusimotothere's no way
13:41:00Watusimotowe'd need to be wrapping up now for a Christmas release
13:42:00raptoryep
13:42:00Watusimotobut I'm still going ahead with the bug fixing and case deferral etc.
13:42:00raptorspeaking of which
13:42:00raptorthere was one bug i could not get to reliably duplicate...
13:43:00raptor"can't select poly item after undo"
13:43:00raptor^^ can you duplicate that?
13:43:00raptorreliably?
13:46:00raptori got it to happen once, but couldn't do so again...
13:48:00WatusimotoI haven't tested that particular bug for a while
13:48:00Watusimotobut
13:49:00WatusimotoI do regularly have difficulty selecting things in the editor, and I think it's all related to a screwed up undo system
13:49:00Watusimotoit's my current most-dreaded but
13:49:00Watusimotobug
13:49:00WatusimotoI spent about a week on it, and gave up in frustration
13:49:00raptormaybe we should get sam686 the master debugger on it...
13:52:00WatusimotoI don't want to curse anyone else with this bug
13:52:00WatusimotoI created it
13:53:00Watusimotosorry for the pauses -- I'm helping my son diagnose a computer issue in the other room
13:53:00raptoralso what do you mean by 'individual scores broken' ?
13:53:00raptorIT tech in training!
13:53:00WatusimotoI mean that the ratings seemed to never get abouve 0
13:53:00Watusimotoor were not displayed as above 0
13:53:00Watusimotoif you play a 2 player game and your rating seems to be properly displayed in the scoreboard, the bug is fixed
13:54:00Watusimotoif your rating is always 0, it is broken
13:54:00raptorgotcha
13:54:00Watusimotoit was something I noted in passing, a while ago, so it may not even be broken anymore
13:54:00Watusimotoin fact, it's possible it was never broken
13:56:00raptorok, i'll check...
13:57:00raptoryeah it's broken :(
14:00:00Watusimotogreat!
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18:01:00karamazovapyI could make a good tutorial level if I had the script integration
18:02:00karamazovapywe would also want to be able to code text prompts to insert the user-configured controls as variables
18:02:00karamazovapyso we can use varFire to insert whatever button/key people have mapped to Fire
18:03:00karamazovapythat's maybe even more important than having huge scripting controls
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19:41:00Zoombera good level tutorial?
19:41:00Zoomberwe have so many though..
19:53:00sam686http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/joinleft2.zip
19:53:00sam686go ahead and try to open that ZIP file and read that text file...
19:56:00Zoombertakes a while to decompress..
19:57:00Zoomberprobably as safari tries to unarchive the file right after it downloads
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19:57:00Zoombersam is this a virus?
19:57:00Zoomber]
19:58:00sam686that zip file is only a tiny 32 kb zip file
19:58:00sam686it only has a .txt file
19:58:00Zoomberits freezing up my computer
19:58:00BlackBirdhelloo
19:58:00Zoombersam you jerk!
19:58:00sam686as in, a high 4 GB text file
19:58:00sam686huge
19:58:00ZoomberOH MY GOSH SAM
19:58:00BlackBirdis this the son of airlock level?
19:58:00Zoomberi cant do anything
19:58:00Zoomberyou've mad emy whole computer unresponsive, LOL
19:59:00sam686there, some payback from having son of airlock working for your computer, but not mine..
19:59:00Zoomberplease sam
19:59:00Zoomberhelp me get out of this mess
20:00:00sam686end task safari?
20:00:00Zoomberi cant do anytanything, barely can type
20:00:00sam686i don't know much about apple computer...
20:00:00Zoomberi cant move my mouse out of my second monitor
20:00:00Zoomberi'm screwed..
20:00:00Zoombermy dock wont go up, so safari wont quit
20:00:00sam686i am windows only, windows notepad simply won't open huge text file
20:00:00Zoomberi was also in the middle of typing a huge document on safari
20:00:00sam686hold down power button until computer turns off?
20:00:00Zoomberif i quit it, i will loose all my changesa nd have to start ofver
20:01:00Zoomberugh dammit please warn me when something like that will hapepn
20:01:00sam686i didn't know that will happen, my web browser simply download a zip file
20:01:00sam686and doesn't extract (i use a seperate extractor program)
20:02:00Zoombersam, i waas in the middle of typing something important
20:02:00Zoomberi
20:02:00BlackBirdcan we delete son of airlock from all of bitfighter?
20:02:00Zoombercant just hold the power button and loose my text
20:03:00sam686well then, i guess that is a bug in safari, freezing up... I use chrome, and internet explorer and nether don'e have the problem you have
20:03:00BlackBirdim in firefox
20:04:00Zoombersam i dont know what you did but even after closing some apps, my computer is still unresponosive
20:04:00sam686i am guessing firefox don't have the problem neither...
20:04:00Zoombernow i have to try and screenshot my typing, and forcequit safari
20:04:00sam686it is simply a 4 GB text file inside a double zipped file..
20:05:00Zoomberso what can i do now?
20:06:00ZoomberFree memory: 68 MB out of 4.00 GB
20:06:00Zoomberthats also after i force quit safari
20:06:00sam686so it crashed trying to unzip to memory instead of what mine does, unzip to file?
20:07:00Zoomberno it didnt crash
20:07:00sam686ir freeze?
20:07:00Zoomberit just made, and is continuing to make my computer be unresponsive
20:07:00Zoomberit responds, but VERY slowly
20:07:00Zoomberand this is a new imac bought last summer
20:07:00Zoomberits never been like this before
20:07:00Zoomberi dont know what was in that file, but i don't want to see that again
20:07:00Zoombernow i dont even know how to fix my computer..
20:07:00sam686mine is 1.5 GB ram, and it unzip fine for me
20:08:00Zoomberyeah it finished unzipping
20:08:00Zoomberbut when i opened the text file
20:08:00Zoombereverything became unresponsive
20:08:00Zoombernow i only have 8.2 MB free
20:08:00sam686for linux users, CTRL + ALT + F1, and "kill" or "killall" command
20:08:00sam686for mac, i don't knoe
20:08:00ZoomberFinder, the application simlilar to "windows explorer" is using 2.37 GB of ram
20:08:00Zoomberboom
20:09:00Zoombernow i should have enough memory
20:09:00sam686for windows, ctrl + alt + del, there is "End Task"
20:09:00sam686so, finder have a bug?
20:09:00ZoomberNO
20:10:00sam686why was it using "using 2.37 GB of ram"?
20:10:00Zoomberfrom that stupid file
20:10:00Zoomberprobably from using quicklook, or trying to open it with textEdit
20:10:00sam686just wait until raptor tries to read that same file....
20:10:00Zoomberright now, finder has 1.28 real memory, and Textedit has 1.04 real memory
20:11:00Zoombercool sam
20:11:00Zoombernow I've fore quit finder,
20:11:00BlackBird Quit (Quit: Page closed)
20:11:00Zoomberand when trying to launch it, an error tells me "Finder is unable to be opened because an error occured"
20:12:00sam686yes, now that looks like a bug
20:12:00Zoomberugh
20:12:00Zoombermy vm size is 171.33 GB
20:12:00Zoomberis..that natural?
20:12:00sam686is that the hard disk space?
20:12:00sam686or are you miss reading something?
20:13:00ZoomberVM size: 180.47 GB, Page ins: 4.60 GB, Page outs: 4.70, Swap used: 366.3 MB
20:14:00sam686i bet that is the VM hard disk space, not RAM
20:14:00Zoomberyes it is the VM hard disk space
20:15:00Zoomberi didnt ever say it was the ram space
20:15:00Zoomberthe RAM graph is to the right and left of this stat colum
20:16:00sam686even though the hard disk space is 180 GB, some Virtual machine is smart enough to not create a full hard disk image but auto increase VM sizesize up to 180.47 GB
20:17:00Zoombermy hard drive space is 500 GB, here's a picture of what i was showing you http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6398/screenshot20111217at121.png
20:18:00sam686http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1342 it says something about VM
20:19:00sam686it looks like VM is virtual mamory
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20:20:00sam686as in, virtual memory (VM) is amount of memory a process using, or all process
20:22:00sam686maybe thats all the memory all process uses combined
20:22:00Zoomberhow could my processes use more VM than my total hard drive space used?
20:23:00sam686not sure, does any process have a huge VSIZE?
20:23:00sam686not sure, maybe Virtual memory (VM) might be an inaccurate way to measure RAM usage, i guess...
20:28:00WatusimotoI could make a good tutorial level if I had the script integration ==> we could create integration if we had ideas of what you would do with it!!! :-)
20:30:00Zoomberi think im going to buy more ram
20:30:00Zoomberupgrade to 16 GB
20:30:00Zoomberthats the max mine can support i think
20:31:00Watusimotowe would also want to be able to code text prompts to insert the user-configured controls as variables ==> could be done!
20:32:00Zoomberwierd the i5 does this:
20:32:00Zoomberhese computers will not start up if only a single DIMM is installed in any bottom slot; these computers should operate normally with a single DIMM installed in any top slot
20:33:00Zoomberso, if i have one memory card in the top, it will start up fine, but one in the bottom not using the second bottom slot wont let it start up
20:34:00sam686that might be a way to make that less interference between CPU and RAM or to make it cheapter...
20:36:00sam686or, in some cases, double number of bit available when using both the top and bottom RAM slots.
20:39:00Watusimoto@karamazovapy ==> https://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/detail?id=148
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21:18:00Zoomberooh watusimoto that gives me a really cool idea
21:18:00Zoomberthe ability to command robots, s_bot, to overide actions and do certain stuff, like orbit the player, or just go for the enenmy flag, or just base camp
21:19:00Zoomberthat could be so strategic
21:19:00Watusimotowe've talked about that before
21:19:00Watusimotoit could be ijmplemented today
21:19:00WatusimotoI think
21:19:00Zoomberthough, with this and /addbot, we might need a robot password, to do all that robot relted stuff
21:19:00Watusimotoif bos get chat messages, which they do (that's hwo eliza bots talk to you) they can respond to messages
21:20:00Watusimotothey could only respond to team messages
21:20:00Zoomberyes, exactly
21:20:00Zoomberand we can change those quickchats accordingly
21:20:00Zoomberlike, "regroup"
21:20:00Zoomberand "get the enenmy flag"
21:21:00Watusimotoso I think there's nothing to do to make this happen, aside from writing the bots
21:21:00Zoomberok
21:22:00Watusimotothough I'm not convinced it would be great in practice... but we'll never know until we try
21:39:00sam686oh what that zip file really contains is just a text file that repeats "----- Player ZoombeR join the conversation -----" over and over again up to 4 GB of size
21:39:00sam686because i often see zoomber holding down F5 button in chat lobby flooding join / left messages
21:39:00Zoomberhow did i download that so quickly if it was 4 GB?
21:40:00sam686it was compressed to 32 KB
21:40:00Zoomber99.99% compression?
21:40:00sam686yes, double zipped to make it even smaller
21:49:00sam686for your information, the max uncompressed individual size for zip is 4 GB - 1 byte, which if the same limits of FAT32 file system that my computer uses.
21:50:00sam686as it says here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_(file_format)#Limits
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21:51:00raptorhowdy howdy
21:52:00sam686this is what happens when zoomber hold down F5 button: http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/joinleft2.zip (32 KB file, which contains 4 GB text file)
21:52:00raptorha!
21:52:00raptori just read athat...
21:52:00raptorthat
21:52:00Zoomberdont open it!
21:52:00ZoomberDONT
21:53:00Zoomberit will eat your computer
21:53:00sam686raptor mostly uses linux, not mac
21:53:00sam686linux shouldn't have the same problem mac had
21:53:00raptoryes - always have a terminal open
21:53:00raptorrun 'top'
21:53:00raptorlook at the pid of the process that is hogging the computer
21:53:00raptorpress 'k'
21:53:00raptorenter in the pid number, press <enter>
21:54:00raptorand the process is killed
21:54:00sam686linux have a command line mode that works just about the same as your VPS linux server
21:54:00Zoombermac has most of that stuff too, just not apt-get or yum
21:55:00Zoomberactually, mine has apt-get buecause I installed that from a 3rd party provider
21:55:00raptorha!
21:55:00raptoryou mean mac ports?
21:56:00sam686did raptor got a joinleft.txt file open yet?
21:56:00raptorha, i'm not downloading
21:56:00Zoomberno, but i have mac ports too
21:56:00sam686it is a simple 32 KB download...
21:56:00raptorthe craziest file I've opened was like 8k - it was for an empty VM - inflated to 8GB
21:57:00Zoomberraptor: fink
21:57:00raptoroh yeah - that has been replaced by mac ports, though hasn't it?
21:58:00Zoomberi guess..
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22:06:00sam686as it takes me about 6 minutes + 40 seconds to deflate that 4 GB joinleft.txt, i am sure it is 8 times faster, or should be faster for some of you...
22:07:00sam686unlesss your hard disk is slow
22:31:00sam686a new player seem to have appeared "Zookie" as new to Bitfighter, asking "how to fire?" then later said something about this game is too boring and leave..
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23:19:00Watusimotothis oglconsole is really buggy
23:23:00Watusimotoreally really buggy
23:23:00Watusimotolike really obvious stuff
23:23:00Watusimotobuggy buggy buggy
23:24:00sam686is that bug bugging you?

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