#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-04-05

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02:12:07 raptor di sam686
02:12:10 raptor *hi
02:12:18 raptor does your joystick work fine in 017a?
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03:38:01 sam686 Joystick seems to want to go back to keyboard after closing and re-opening, i have to change input to joystick everytime now
03:38:50 raptor is AlwaysStartInKeyboardMode=No  in the INI?
03:39:12 raptor or yes, i mean?
03:40:04 sam686 AlwaysStartInKeyboardMode=No is what i have
03:42:10 sam686 oh, and another problem with AlwaysStartInKeyboardMode=No is it does keyboard input, until i enter option menu (always shows input = joystick), then does joystick input
03:42:32 raptor then i guess it broke since 016
03:42:45 sam686 only difference with AlwaysStartInKeyboardMode=Yes, is it stays input = keyboard when entering option menu
03:42:55 raptor oh wait
03:44:17 raptor on start-up with a joystick in, it used to switch to joystick mode every time
03:44:36 raptor then I added that INI option to force it to start in keyboard mode
03:44:40 raptor something must have changed...
03:54:56 raptor I wonder if i should check in my win64 changes?
03:57:20 sam686 how big is the changes?
03:57:42 sam686 also that might mean having to have a 64-bit lib and 64-bit .dll
03:59:35 raptor yes - it's about 6MB of dlls (compress as 1.4MB)
03:59:42 sam686 although, eventually, in about 5 - 10 years, most computer CPU will probably be 64-bit
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15:30:58 raptor good day!
15:35:38 raptor watusimoto: i read the lua stuff
15:35:44 raptor it was informative
15:36:01 raptor so i figure we'd only need to load s_bot once, on-demand
15:36:35 raptor then replicate its internal table for however many bots we want...   is tthat about right?
16:07:37 watusimoto maybe
16:07:47 watusimoto I'm going to give it a whirl tonight
16:08:16 watusimoto at worst, we load a single lua instance and create new global tables as we create bots/levelgens
16:08:36 raptor that's better than what we have now, right?
16:08:37 watusimoto even if we have to reload the s_bot
16:08:44 watusimoto I suspect so
16:08:53 watusimoto at least from a memory POV
16:09:03 watusimoto only one copy of Lua would be loaded
16:09:05 raptor seems like s_bot adds at least 1MB every time one is added
16:09:13 watusimoto because it creates a new copy of Lua
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16:10:12 Heyub Good morning.
16:10:29 watusimoto Hey heyub
16:10:33 raptor were you able to glean anything from 'naev'?  i talked to the devs and they said they did the table switching
16:10:44 raptor but i couldn't quite understand it from their code
16:10:49 watusimoto I looked at the source, but didn't see it either
16:11:00 raptor hello Heyub
16:11:14 watusimoto but I did grab some ideas for getting a stack trace in case of error
16:12:12 watusimoto though I don't yet undrestand how it works
16:17:21 raptor the naev folks are purists...   they hate c++
16:18:05 raptor i mentioned once that i was working on a c++ project and had used boost..  they said:  "if you use boost to fix c++, now you have two problems"
16:21:14 watusimoto that's funny
16:22:11 raptor then they proceeded to tell me an analogy of a country having an insect problem
16:22:20 raptor so to fix it they brough  in lizards
16:22:41 watusimoto Australia?
16:22:45 raptor then the lizards get out of control, so the bring in tigers
16:22:56 raptor which kill all lizards and now they have an insect and tiger problem
16:23:29 raptor hehe, that's what i said, too
16:23:36 Heyub lol
16:24:50 raptor anyways, they are smart cookies over on #naev, but tread lightly - they will philosophically hound you
16:26:01 watusimoto naev seems to do all their lua binding manually
16:26:20 watusimoto whereas we do it using the Lunar thingy
16:26:37 raptor was Lunar something you wrote?
16:26:41 watusimoto no
16:26:44 watusimoto heavans no
16:26:48 watusimoto it uses template
16:26:49 watusimoto s
16:27:07 raptor ah ok
16:27:18 raptor wasn't sure the history of bitfighter-lua integration
16:27:19 watusimoto unfortunately, I am not sure it will work with Lua 5.2
16:27:36 watusimoto though at this point, lua-vec isn't available for 5.2 either
16:27:39 raptor well, we'd need lua-vec for lua 5.2 first?
16:27:42 watusimoto yes
16:27:42 raptor hehe, yep
16:27:47 watusimoto we may need to port it ourselves
16:27:54 watusimoto which I'm in no hurry to do
16:28:09 watusimoto then we'd need to port our mods to luavec
16:44:30 raptor it's the open source model!:  nothing can be good-enough; we must rewrite!
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20:51:49 Watusimoto_ hi -- saw the bug report, haven't investigated
20:53:01 raptor bug report?
20:53:18 raptor ok, the editor FF one
20:57:55 Watusimoto_ yes
21:11:45 Watusimoto_ still not quite there yet, but some of this new lua paradigm is starting to click
21:13:28 Watusimoto_ great -- now I have a zombie bitfighter process I cannot kill
21:13:39 raptor kill -9
21:14:21 Watusimoto_ great idea
21:14:35 Watusimoto_ I'll try that in my virtual machine
21:15:07 raptor i guess you're not using linux, huh...
21:15:25 Watusimoto_ yeah yeah
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21:50:05 Frank__ Hello
21:50:12 raptor hi Frank__
21:50:34 Frank__ For some reason the latest update keeps getting blocked as a virus by my anti virus software... :/
21:50:55 raptor what OS are you using?
21:51:01 Frank__ Vista
21:51:02 raptor Watusimoto_: have you gotten that before?
21:51:05 Frank__ Nope
21:51:17 Watusimoto_ Avira?
21:51:38 Watusimoto_ Frank__: what AV software?
21:51:45 sam686 or what anti-virus scanner being used?
21:51:45 Frank__ Actually just got it to work, but it gives me an error message saying its not a valid windows 32 app
21:52:06 Frank__ I'm using Norton
21:52:08 sam686 maybe an anti-virus blanked or corrupt that bitfighter.exe file
21:52:12 Watusimoto_ I sometimes can't build because Avira accuses me of creating a virus
21:52:30 Watusimoto_ that could be, I suppose
21:52:32 Heyub lol silly anti viruses.
21:52:48 Frank__ I will figure it out eventually
21:52:58 Watusimoto_ I absolutely gurarantee that if you are using our build of BF, there is no virus involved
21:53:04 Watusimoto_ I built it myself :-)
21:53:18 Watusimoto_ you could try redownloading and disbaling Norton before installing
21:53:22 Frank__ Yea
21:53:24 raptor Frank__: where did you download it from?
21:53:26 sam686 i don't use any anti-virus on my computers (anti virus uses too much RAM and lots of CPU for my old computer)
21:53:34 Watusimoto_ this is the first I've heard of Norton disliking bf
21:53:37 Frank__ The downloads page, Raptor.
21:53:41 raptor ok
21:53:47 Watusimoto_ there
21:53:56 Heyub I only do system scans once a week with my anti virus...
21:54:07 Watusimoto_ yes, the downloads page should grab you the copy on google code, which is certainly legit
21:54:23 Frank__ I see
21:54:30 Watusimoto_ I take it back -- i think raptor built the release version.
21:54:44 Watusimoto_ but he's reasonably trustworthy "-)
21:54:45 raptor i built it this time
21:55:01 Frank__ What programming language did you make Bit Fighter with?
21:55:06 Watusimoto_ C++
21:55:12 Watusimoto_ with a smidge of Lua
21:55:13 Frank__ Interesting, I love the game.
21:55:14 Watusimoto_ for the robots
21:55:17 Watusimoto_ great!
21:55:27 Watusimoto_ we work hard on making it as fun as possib;le
21:55:31 Frank__ Got a bunch of friends at school to play
21:55:39 Watusimoto_ excellent -- the more the better
21:56:06 Frank__ I have no clue how I came by this game. lol, very addicting though.
21:56:13 raptor installer:  https://www.virustotal.com/file/1dd29d0355fc367dc121f57744b6fb372ffa8c7d728b57a27e8d8975726f1315/analysis/1333662881/
21:56:26 raptor let me extract the executable...
21:57:30 Watusimoto_ I just finished a very cool new feature!
21:57:35 raptor uh oh
21:57:42 Heyub Do we get buttons?
21:57:43 Watusimoto_ Now when you add a bot during a game, you immediately exit the game!
21:58:01 raptor hahaha
21:58:05 Watusimoto_ It seems to work every time!
21:58:19 raptor here is the bitifighter.exe:  https://www.virustotal.com/file/f3c219de3870da3c1a1376d485a41f911b7a6b215f6abbeaf770ff421b0433be/analysis/1333663044/
21:58:38 raptor norton isn't in that list, though....
21:58:41 raptor symantec is
21:59:05 Frank__ Interesting
21:59:10 Frank__ Maybe it isn't Norton
21:59:25 Frank__ Or my Norton is a virus :O
21:59:28 Watusimoto_ neither is avira
21:59:46 Watusimoto_ Norton is definitely a virus, though not in the way most people think about them
21:59:54 raptor haha
21:59:56 Frank__ CPU hog
22:00:02 Watusimoto_ ever try to uninstall it?
22:00:12 Watusimoto_ can't be done!
22:00:12 Frank__ Norton?
22:00:17 Watusimoto_ yes
22:00:20 Watusimoto_ it's notorious
22:00:20 raptor yes - by wiping the hard drive
22:00:27 Frank__ ^
22:01:34 raptor i love it when they make you enter a password to authorize uninstall from a central reporting server
22:01:35 Frank__ There we go, disabled Norton and I can run the installer for Bit Fighter
22:02:38 Frank__ Why must the servers be empty.... The word about this game must be spread!
22:02:53 Watusimoto_ it must
22:03:23 sam686 sometimes, uninstalling anti-virus can't be done because of password protected and you don't know the password, but you could just boot into linux live CD and delete all files used for anti-virus from program files
22:13:28 Watusimoto_ whoa... Heyub is way out in front on the games played this week
22:13:42 Watusimoto_ amost double the next player
22:14:10 raptor even ahead of me from last week!
22:14:14 Heyub I have a lot of free time.
22:14:18 Watusimoto_ :-)
22:14:18 raptor and i was testing achievements...
22:14:34 Watusimoto_ we need a badge for playing some insane number of games in a week
22:15:05 Watusimoto_ heyub -- you should register your name on the formus
22:15:29 Watusimoto_ that way you get a little underline on your name :-)
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22:15:53 Heyub Im registered as "c.s" for some odd reason.
22:16:01 raptor want me to change it?
22:16:51 Heyub Sure, if its no bother :)
22:16:58 raptor ok, tell me the exact username you want
22:17:02 raptor case-sensitive
22:17:05 Heyub Heyub
22:17:15 raptor okey dok
22:19:24 sam686 when you changed forum name, your forum login won't be "c.s" anymore, but will be the same as forum name, which may be "Heyub"
22:19:39 raptor ok Heyub, you are now 'Heyub'
22:19:55 raptor you may need to re-login into bitfighter to get the underline  :)
22:20:10 Heyub Thanks, Ill do that
22:20:55 Heyub It workedd
22:21:07 raptor great!
22:25:42 Watusimoto_ game play has definitely been up since 017
22:27:41 raptor yay
22:27:50 raptor because it doesn't crash so much maybe....
22:28:06 Heyub ^ why I came back
22:28:25 raptor yeah, 016 was a rough release
22:28:30 raptor but an important stepping stone...
22:35:54 raptor found an oddity:  if you're not a registered user, your name will be lowercased in the 'players online' json
23:00:57 Watusimoto_ 016 was stable though
23:01:05 Watusimoto_ 015 was stable
23:01:10 Watusimoto_ 014 crashed on mac a lot
23:01:16 Watusimoto_ I think
23:01:35 raptor maybe it's the mac port that hurt us?
23:02:33 raptor ok, well, i'm out for a few hours
23:02:35 raptor laters!
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23:07:57 Watusimoto_ night
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02:12:07	raptor	di sam686
02:12:10	raptor	*hi
02:12:18	raptor	does your joystick work fine in 017a?
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03:38:01	sam686	Joystick seems to want to go back to keyboard after closing and re-opening, i have to change input to joystick everytime now
03:38:50	raptor	is AlwaysStartInKeyboardMode=No in the INI?
03:39:12	raptor	or yes, i mean?
03:40:04	sam686	AlwaysStartInKeyboardMode=No is what i have
03:42:10	sam686	oh, and another problem with AlwaysStartInKeyboardMode=No is it does keyboard input, until i enter option menu (always shows input = joystick), then does joystick input
03:42:32	raptor	then i guess it broke since 016
03:42:45	sam686	only difference with AlwaysStartInKeyboardMode=Yes, is it stays input = keyboard when entering option menu
03:42:55	raptor	oh wait
03:44:17	raptor	on start-up with a joystick in, it used to switch to joystick mode every time
03:44:36	raptor	then I added that INI option to force it to start in keyboard mode
03:44:40	raptor	something must have changed...
03:54:56	raptor	I wonder if i should check in my win64 changes?
03:57:20	sam686	how big is the changes?
03:57:42	sam686	also that might mean having to have a 64-bit lib and 64-bit .dll
03:59:35	raptor	yes - it's about 6MB of dlls (compress as 1.4MB)
03:59:42	sam686	although, eventually, in about 5 - 10 years, most computer CPU will probably be 64-bit
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15:30:58	raptor	good day!
15:35:38	raptor	watusimoto: i read the lua stuff
15:35:44	raptor	it was informative
15:36:01	raptor	so i figure we'd only need to load s_bot once, on-demand
15:36:35	raptor	then replicate its internal table for however many bots we want... is tthat about right?
16:07:37	watusimoto	maybe
16:07:47	watusimoto	I'm going to give it a whirl tonight
16:08:16	watusimoto	at worst, we load a single lua instance and create new global tables as we create bots/levelgens
16:08:36	raptor	that's better than what we have now, right?
16:08:37	watusimoto	even if we have to reload the s_bot
16:08:44	watusimoto	I suspect so
16:08:53	watusimoto	at least from a memory POV
16:09:03	watusimoto	only one copy of Lua would be loaded
16:09:05	raptor	seems like s_bot adds at least 1MB every time one is added
16:09:13	watusimoto	because it creates a new copy of Lua
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16:10:12	Heyub	Good morning.
16:10:29	watusimoto	Hey heyub
16:10:33	raptor	were you able to glean anything from 'naev'? i talked to the devs and they said they did the table switching
16:10:44	raptor	but i couldn't quite understand it from their code
16:10:49	watusimoto	I looked at the source, but didn't see it either
16:11:00	raptor	hello Heyub
16:11:14	watusimoto	but I did grab some ideas for getting a stack trace in case of error
16:12:12	watusimoto	though I don't yet undrestand how it works
16:17:21	raptor	the naev folks are purists... they hate c++
16:18:05	raptor	i mentioned once that i was working on a c++ project and had used boost.. they said: "if you use boost to fix c++, now you have two problems"
16:21:14	watusimoto	that's funny
16:22:11	raptor	then they proceeded to tell me an analogy of a country having an insect problem
16:22:20	raptor	so to fix it they brough in lizards
16:22:41	watusimoto	Australia?
16:22:45	raptor	then the lizards get out of control, so the bring in tigers
16:22:56	raptor	which kill all lizards and now they have an insect and tiger problem
16:23:29	raptor	hehe, that's what i said, too
16:23:36	Heyub	lol
16:24:50	raptor	anyways, they are smart cookies over on #naev, but tread lightly - they will philosophically hound you
16:26:01	watusimoto	naev seems to do all their lua binding manually
16:26:20	watusimoto	whereas we do it using the Lunar thingy
16:26:37	raptor	was Lunar something you wrote?
16:26:41	watusimoto	no
16:26:44	watusimoto	heavans no
16:26:48	watusimoto	it uses template
16:26:49	watusimoto	s
16:27:07	raptor	ah ok
16:27:18	raptor	wasn't sure the history of bitfighter-lua integration
16:27:19	watusimoto	unfortunately, I am not sure it will work with Lua 5.2
16:27:36	watusimoto	though at this point, lua-vec isn't available for 5.2 either
16:27:39	raptor	well, we'd need lua-vec for lua 5.2 first?
16:27:42	watusimoto	yes
16:27:42	raptor	hehe, yep
16:27:47	watusimoto	we may need to port it ourselves
16:27:54	watusimoto	which I'm in no hurry to do
16:28:09	watusimoto	then we'd need to port our mods to luavec
16:44:30	raptor	it's the open source model!: nothing can be good-enough; we must rewrite!
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20:51:49	Watusimoto_	hi -- saw the bug report, haven't investigated
20:53:01	raptor	bug report?
20:53:18	raptor	ok, the editor FF one
20:57:55	Watusimoto_	yes
21:11:45	Watusimoto_	still not quite there yet, but some of this new lua paradigm is starting to click
21:13:28	Watusimoto_	great -- now I have a zombie bitfighter process I cannot kill
21:13:39	raptor	kill -9
21:14:21	Watusimoto_	great idea
21:14:35	Watusimoto_	I'll try that in my virtual machine
21:15:07	raptor	i guess you're not using linux, huh...
21:15:25	Watusimoto_	yeah yeah
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21:50:05	Frank__	Hello
21:50:12	raptor	hi Frank__
21:50:34	Frank__	For some reason the latest update keeps getting blocked as a virus by my anti virus software... :/
21:50:55	raptor	what OS are you using?
21:51:01	Frank__	Vista
21:51:02	raptor	Watusimoto_: have you gotten that before?
21:51:05	Frank__	Nope
21:51:17	Watusimoto_	Avira?
21:51:38	Watusimoto_	Frank__: what AV software?
21:51:45	sam686	or what anti-virus scanner being used?
21:51:45	Frank__	Actually just got it to work, but it gives me an error message saying its not a valid windows 32 app
21:52:06	Frank__	I'm using Norton
21:52:08	sam686	maybe an anti-virus blanked or corrupt that bitfighter.exe file
21:52:12	Watusimoto_	I sometimes can't build because Avira accuses me of creating a virus
21:52:30	Watusimoto_	that could be, I suppose
21:52:32	Heyub	lol silly anti viruses.
21:52:48	Frank__	I will figure it out eventually
21:52:58	Watusimoto_	I absolutely gurarantee that if you are using our build of BF, there is no virus involved
21:53:04	Watusimoto_	I built it myself :-)
21:53:18	Watusimoto_	you could try redownloading and disbaling Norton before installing
21:53:22	Frank__	Yea
21:53:24	raptor	Frank__: where did you download it from?
21:53:26	sam686	i don't use any anti-virus on my computers (anti virus uses too much RAM and lots of CPU for my old computer)
21:53:34	Watusimoto_	this is the first I've heard of Norton disliking bf
21:53:37	Frank__	The downloads page, Raptor.
21:53:41	raptor	ok
21:53:47	Watusimoto_	there
21:53:56	Heyub	I only do system scans once a week with my anti virus...
21:54:07	Watusimoto_	yes, the downloads page should grab you the copy on google code, which is certainly legit
21:54:23	Frank__	I see
21:54:30	Watusimoto_	I take it back -- i think raptor built the release version.
21:54:44	Watusimoto_	but he's reasonably trustworthy "-)
21:54:45	raptor	i built it this time
21:55:01	Frank__	What programming language did you make Bit Fighter with?
21:55:06	Watusimoto_	C++
21:55:12	Watusimoto_	with a smidge of Lua
21:55:13	Frank__	Interesting, I love the game.
21:55:14	Watusimoto_	for the robots
21:55:17	Watusimoto_	great!
21:55:27	Watusimoto_	we work hard on making it as fun as possib;le
21:55:31	Frank__	Got a bunch of friends at school to play
21:55:39	Watusimoto_	excellent -- the more the better
21:56:06	Frank__	I have no clue how I came by this game. lol, very addicting though.
21:56:13	raptor	installer: https://www.virustotal.com/file/1dd29d0355fc367dc121f57744b6fb372ffa8c7d728b57a27e8d8975726f1315/analysis/1333662881/
21:56:26	raptor	let me extract the executable...
21:57:30	Watusimoto_	I just finished a very cool new feature!
21:57:35	raptor	uh oh
21:57:42	Heyub	Do we get buttons?
21:57:43	Watusimoto_	Now when you add a bot during a game, you immediately exit the game!
21:58:01	raptor	hahaha
21:58:05	Watusimoto_	It seems to work every time!
21:58:19	raptor	here is the bitifighter.exe: https://www.virustotal.com/file/f3c219de3870da3c1a1376d485a41f911b7a6b215f6abbeaf770ff421b0433be/analysis/1333663044/
21:58:38	raptor	norton isn't in that list, though....
21:58:41	raptor	symantec is
21:59:05	Frank__	Interesting
21:59:10	Frank__	Maybe it isn't Norton
21:59:25	Frank__	Or my Norton is a virus :O
21:59:28	Watusimoto_	neither is avira
21:59:46	Watusimoto_	Norton is definitely a virus, though not in the way most people think about them
21:59:54	raptor	haha
21:59:56	Frank__	CPU hog
22:00:02	Watusimoto_	ever try to uninstall it?
22:00:12	Watusimoto_	can't be done!
22:00:12	Frank__	Norton?
22:00:17	Watusimoto_	yes
22:00:20	Watusimoto_	it's notorious
22:00:20	raptor	yes - by wiping the hard drive
22:00:27	Frank__	^
22:01:34	raptor	i love it when they make you enter a password to authorize uninstall from a central reporting server
22:01:35	Frank__	There we go, disabled Norton and I can run the installer for Bit Fighter
22:02:38	Frank__	Why must the servers be empty.... The word about this game must be spread!
22:02:53	Watusimoto_	it must
22:03:23	sam686	sometimes, uninstalling anti-virus can't be done because of password protected and you don't know the password, but you could just boot into linux live CD and delete all files used for anti-virus from program files
22:13:28	Watusimoto_	whoa... Heyub is way out in front on the games played this week
22:13:42	Watusimoto_	amost double the next player
22:14:10	raptor	even ahead of me from last week!
22:14:14	Heyub	I have a lot of free time.
22:14:18	Watusimoto_	:-)
22:14:18	raptor	and i was testing achievements...
22:14:34	Watusimoto_	we need a badge for playing some insane number of games in a week
22:15:05	Watusimoto_	heyub -- you should register your name on the formus
22:15:29	Watusimoto_	that way you get a little underline on your name :-)
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22:15:53	Heyub	Im registered as "c.s" for some odd reason.
22:16:01	raptor	want me to change it?
22:16:51	Heyub	Sure, if its no bother :)
22:16:58	raptor	ok, tell me the exact username you want
22:17:02	raptor	case-sensitive
22:17:05	Heyub	Heyub
22:17:15	raptor	okey dok
22:19:24	sam686	when you changed forum name, your forum login won't be "c.s" anymore, but will be the same as forum name, which may be "Heyub"
22:19:39	raptor	ok Heyub, you are now 'Heyub'
22:19:55	raptor	you may need to re-login into bitfighter to get the underline :)
22:20:10	Heyub	Thanks, Ill do that
22:20:55	Heyub	It workedd
22:21:07	raptor	great!
22:25:42	Watusimoto_	game play has definitely been up since 017
22:27:41	raptor	yay
22:27:50	raptor	because it doesn't crash so much maybe....
22:28:06	Heyub	^ why I came back
22:28:25	raptor	yeah, 016 was a rough release
22:28:30	raptor	but an important stepping stone...
22:35:54	raptor	found an oddity: if you're not a registered user, your name will be lowercased in the 'players online' json
23:00:57	Watusimoto_	016 was stable though
23:01:05	Watusimoto_	015 was stable
23:01:10	Watusimoto_	014 crashed on mac a lot
23:01:16	Watusimoto_	I think
23:01:35	raptor	maybe it's the mac port that hurt us?
23:02:33	raptor	ok, well, i'm out for a few hours
23:02:35	raptor	laters!
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23:07:57	Watusimoto_	night
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