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| 00:08:38 | Frank_ | bitfighter is awesome |
| 00:08:38 | FranksBot | Frank_: Yea it is. Sorry about using your irc channel to test my bot. -Frank |
| 00:08:52 | raptor | hehe, no problem |
| 00:09:05 | raptor | FYI: there is the channel #botware that freenode has set up |
| 00:09:09 | raptor | isorry |
| 00:09:11 | raptor | #botwar |
| 00:09:23 | raptor | in it, your bot hass *full* permissions |
| 00:09:30 | raptor | and you can kick other bots, etc. :) |
| 00:09:59 | Frank_ | Cool. I shall use that then. Thanks |
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| 00:23:20 | Little_Apple | helloo |
| 00:23:25 | raptor | hi |
| 00:23:31 | Little_Apple | sup sup |
| 00:23:45 | raptor | dinner time! |
| 00:23:48 | Little_Apple | lol |
| 00:23:56 | Little_Apple | whatcha doooin |
| 00:27:59 | Little_Apple | \guttagooo |
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| 00:29:12 | Watusimoto | crap - 2:30 |
| 00:29:15 | Watusimoto | good night! |
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| 00:31:45 | IAmBeard | just something I want to note, I may be stylistically diverging from bitfighter to the point where I might as well be releasing it as a clone rather than an update |
| 00:32:03 | IAmBeard | i'm sort of moving towards a 2.5d (think paper mario) |
| 00:32:57 | IAmBeard | and mechanics of the engine are very different |
| 00:33:42 | IAmBeard | I'll keep compatibility with the network and level code, though - not sure about scripting yet, but there is a good chance that I'll try and import the lua stuff over, too |
| 00:34:20 | raptor | Lua is bonkers at the moment |
| 00:34:25 | raptor | Watusimoto: good night! |
| 00:35:09 | raptor | Watusimoto: a thought: does LuaW keep a counter of objects or methods it has registered? Maybe a counter is overflowing |
| 00:35:25 | Watusimoto | don't think so |
| 00:35:34 | Watusimoto | it would fail more consistently |
| 00:35:46 | Watusimoto | and we're not hitting S32Max |
| 00:36:03 | Watusimoto | it's a lua problem, I think |
| 00:36:13 | Watusimoto | look into lua_register or whatever the fn is |
| 00:36:41 | Watusimoto | it's a lua fn |
| 00:36:41 | Watusimoto | luaL_register |
| 00:37:02 | Watusimoto | it's what hooks up the functions to lua objects |
| 00:37:08 | Watusimoto | night |
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| 00:37:10 | raptor | night |
| 00:38:00 | IAmBeard | g'night |
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| 00:54:26 | Little_Apple | hellooo |
| 00:54:32 | raptor | hi |
| 00:54:56 | sam686 | |
| 00:55:00 | raptor | have you voted yet? |
| 00:55:18 | sam686 | hi (i don't know how the swuare bot character came from) |
| 00:55:26 | Little_Apple | me? |
| 00:55:26 | sam686 | square (not swuare) |
| 00:55:42 | sam686 | the square box: |
| 00:55:54 | raptor | anyone |
| 00:56:00 | Little_Apple | i did :3 |
| 00:56:25 | raptor | i wish we had more players for some of those maps |
| 00:56:33 | Little_Apple | yea :c |
| 00:56:54 | raptor | because i think several of them would be really cool with 8 or 10, like 'Bastion' and 'KillYouHere' |
| 00:57:08 | Little_Apple | bastion is cool :P |
| 00:57:26 | Little_Apple | picture frame is crazy with lots of people :P |
| 00:57:33 | raptor | hehe, yeah |
| 00:57:55 | raptor | when should round 1 voting stop? |
| 00:58:13 | Little_Apple | next on day maybe? |
| 00:58:24 | Little_Apple | YAY GRMMAR |
| 00:58:30 | Little_Apple | YAY SPELLING |
| 00:58:52 | Little_Apple | maybe next monday raptor? |
| 00:59:25 | raptor | Thursday? |
| 00:59:28 | Little_Apple | IAmBeard sam686 raptor kaen |
| 00:59:34 | Little_Apple | surweeeeererar fdfcv |
| 00:59:41 | IAmBeard | hmmm? |
| 00:59:45 | Little_Apple | heh |
| 00:59:45 | kaen | >_> |
| 00:59:49 | Little_Apple | you aren't af k:P |
| 00:59:51 | raptor | don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain |
| 00:59:59 | raptor | kaen: hello |
| 01:00:03 | kaen | hello raptor |
| 01:00:11 | kaen | I know I've been idling forever, I plan on contributing soon |
| 01:00:12 | Little_Apple | i was just checking to see who's on :P |
| 01:00:15 | sam686 | hi |
| 01:00:21 | raptor | are you a new fan of Bitfighter? |
| 01:00:23 | kaen | but I have exams next week |
| 01:00:26 | kaen | yeah |
| 01:00:29 | Little_Apple | eep |
| 01:00:53 | Little_Apple | people! :D |
| 01:01:42 | Little_Apple | zub zub zubba wub! |
| 01:01:50 | kaen | nope, that's all you get Little_Apple |
| 01:01:59 | Little_Apple | lol :D |
| 01:02:12 | kaen | lol |
| 01:02:47 | Little_Apple | moooo |
| 01:08:16 | IAmBeard | kaen, the bitfighter community is a good time. pretty friendly folks |
| 01:08:31 | IAmBeard | i'm fairly new myself, and they've been quite gracious |
| 01:13:34 | Little_Apple | :D |
| 01:13:40 | raptor | sooo |
| 01:13:55 | raptor | i feel like we never really had a contest party... |
| 01:14:18 | Little_Apple | :c |
| 01:14:33 | raptor | i wonder why there was such low participation? everyone too busy? |
| 01:14:42 | Little_Apple | yea bb and i were doing something with the fan :T |
| 01:14:47 | Little_Apple | fam |
| 01:14:50 | Little_Apple | ily |
| 01:16:15 | Little_Apple | wee aaarre faaammiilyyy! |
| 01:18:19 | sam686 | seem like there was never a contest party (with more then 5 players) from past level making contest dates |
| 01:19:04 | Little_Apple | IAmBeard: how did you find bitfighter? |
| 01:19:59 | IAmBeard | raptor posting something about it on the SDL programming mailing list |
| 01:20:14 | Little_Apple | aha |
| 01:20:24 | sam686 | let me guess, it came from raptor posting some problems with SDL2? |
| 01:20:54 | raptor | :) |
| 01:21:06 | Little_Apple | im guessing thats a yes |
| 01:22:00 | IAmBeard | no, he was actually posting about how bitfighter can be built with either SDL1.2 or 2.0 |
| 01:22:12 | raptor | oh yeah |
| 01:22:16 | raptor | forgot about that... |
| 01:22:25 | Little_Apple | ahaaaa |
| 01:22:30 | IAmBeard | he posted some screenshots, and I have a soft spot for 2d space shooters, come back from the good old dos days |
| 01:23:05 | raptor | ahh... the good old days |
| 01:23:38 | IAmBeard | i got hooked playing a space rpg called "hardnova" |
| 01:23:43 | Little_Apple | i like most multiplayer games :P |
| 01:25:07 | IAmBeard | since then, i've followed games like this, and even the 3d ones, like freespace |
| 01:26:07 | Little_Apple | hey raptor? what do you think about bitfighter: 3d? :D |
| 01:26:40 | IAmBeard | Little_Apple, I'm adding some 3d things :P like paper mario, the ships are flat, the walls/asteroids/some other things are 3d |
| 01:26:49 | raptor | Uhhh |
| 01:26:57 | raptor | i don't know.. |
| 01:27:07 | raptor | it'd be a completely new game |
| 01:27:19 | Little_Apple | yea :P |
| 01:27:30 | sam686 | players with old computers, and non-windows computers can't run newer games (over 50% is windows direct3D only), but usually openGL seems to be more compatible.. |
| 01:28:05 | Little_Apple | i mean bitfighter 3d would be like a separate game :P |
| 01:28:14 | Little_Apple | if it ever exists |
| 01:29:14 | Little_Apple | like a space dog fight game with the same gametypes as bit fighter :P |
| 01:29:33 | Little_Apple | stupid auto correct. |
| 01:29:58 | raptor | turn off autocorrect |
| 01:30:04 | Little_Apple | ok :D |
| 01:30:58 | IAmBeard | my wife is hinting that i should hop off, so i'm going to call it a night |
| 01:31:03 | raptor | night |
| 01:31:07 | Little_Apple | yay! its off! |
| 01:31:12 | Little_Apple | i feel so liberated. |
| 01:31:17 | raptor | and responsible |
| 01:31:30 | raptor | now you alone are responsible for typing properly :) |
| 01:32:05 | Little_Apple | lol :P |
| 01:32:19 | Little_Apple | it always put a space in bit fighter >:( |
| 01:32:25 | Little_Apple | WHAT THE FOOF |
| 01:32:37 | sam686 | bitfighter |
| 01:32:46 | sam686 | see, it doesn't put a space on me... |
| 01:32:53 | Little_Apple | I'm on a mac. |
| 01:33:02 | Little_Apple | STOP BEING HELPFUL MAC |
| 01:33:17 | sam686 | which irc client are you using? |
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| 01:33:43 | Little_Apple | um... |
| 01:33:52 | Little_Apple | a web page? |
| 01:33:56 | Little_Apple | .__. |
| 01:34:22 | sam686 | oh, i guess a web page... which web browser are you using? |
| 01:34:31 | Little_Apple | safari |
| 01:34:47 | Little_Apple | i could see if i could turn off auto correct through that |
| 01:35:01 | sam686 | i guess, blame it to your web browser, i don't think the web page itself does the auto-correcting... |
| 01:35:49 | Little_Apple | yea |
| 01:36:05 | Little_Apple | i could use firefox but then i wouldn't have the fullscreen feature :c |
| 01:37:05 | Little_Apple | ok i think i got it |
| 01:37:22 | sam686 | you could use a IRC client (i use KVIRC, but thats windows only) |
| 01:37:56 | Little_Apple | like an irc chat window that is completely separate from the web browser? |
| 01:38:29 | sam686 | yes |
| 01:38:29 | sam686 | http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=695&p=4605&hilit=colloquy#p4605 |
| 01:38:36 | sam686 | you could use Colloquy for mac.. |
| 01:39:00 | Little_Apple | im fine |
| 01:39:40 | sam686 | a stand alone IRC client can usually gave you a popup whenever your name is being called (or someone pm you) |
| 01:39:50 | Little_Apple | what if there was a way to connect to this irc channel using the bitfighter client? |
| 01:40:10 | Little_Apple | but not the chat lobby |
| 01:40:25 | sam686 | it haven't been programmed in bitfighter, though it could be possible to program it, if we know how.. |
| 01:40:35 | raptor | i researched that once |
| 01:40:44 | raptor | we'd probably use libircclient |
| 01:40:54 | Little_Apple | maybe like a help window in the settings menu or something... |
| 01:41:20 | raptor | but I ultimately decided against it because the current chat seems to meet our small needs OK |
| 01:43:01 | raptor | sam686: have you been following the Lua problem that watusimoto has been trying to tackle? |
| 01:45:02 | Little_Apple | moooo! |
| 01:45:29 | sam686 | what is watusimoto trying to do? fix crashes in LUA? |
| 01:45:57 | Little_Apple | he's playing football with it |
| 01:47:13 | raptor | sam686: if you add s_bot, and wait long enough, it crashes with: ***ROBOT ERROR*** Robot error handling event Tick: robots/s_bot.bot:254: attempt to call method 'getEnergy' (a nil value). |
| 01:48:12 | raptor | make sure the bot can see you when you respawn, so it targets for you |
| 01:48:15 | Little_Apple | oh that thing |
| 01:49:07 | raptor | we can't seem to figure out why it crashes - it seems like the target object ends up being a Projectile instead of a Ship somehow, suggesting a memory corruption |
| 01:49:31 | Little_Apple | does it happen with other bots? |
| 01:50:22 | sam686 | there is another problem with s_bot, it can't getFiringSolution() on forcefieldprojector... |
| 01:51:06 | raptor | yeah - they are weird luaW things - we're not sure how to solve |
| 01:53:07 | Little_Apple | couldn't you just use some sort of pesticide? |
| 01:53:39 | Little_Apple | :3 |
| 01:54:17 | Little_Apple | er |
| 01:54:30 | Little_Apple | insecticide |
| 01:54:42 | Little_Apple | http://www.killsbugsdead.com/home.asp |
| 01:56:12 | raptor | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_bug |
| 01:56:21 | Little_Apple | lol |
| 01:56:34 | Little_Apple | i know the problem! |
| 01:56:52 | Little_Apple | you need to put some bug poison in your computer |
| 01:58:14 | sam686 | i looks like, engineer bot is fine (and it uses getEnergy on itself) |
| 01:58:26 | sam686 | oh, getEnergy on other ships? |
| 01:58:29 | raptor | yes |
| 01:58:59 | raptor | and it takes a while: like with s_bot it can take a few minutes the first time, then it is shorter to crash afterwards |
| 01:59:45 | raptor | watusimoto's most recent temporary fix might slow down the crash |
| 01:59:50 | raptor | but he still got it |
| 02:00:51 | sam686 | I got a "Error reading vector" when time limit reaches zero... |
| 02:01:12 | Little_Apple | if i try to help ill just end up looking stupid, so ill shut up. |
| 02:03:14 | sam686 | looks like, saveGameStats Types::write(s, stats);Types::read(s, &stats2); don't match somehow. (gameType.cpp line 1130) |
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| 02:05:07 | Little_Apple | :o |
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| 02:07:52 | raptor | sam686: is that stats error related to anything? |
| 02:07:54 | Little_Apple | wait what? |
| 02:07:59 | raptor | (sorry, my internet connection died) |
| 02:08:05 | Little_Apple | ah |
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| 02:08:12 | Little_Apple | whats the mode thing? |
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| 02:09:21 | raptor | mode? |
| 02:09:36 | Little_Apple | mode/#bitfighter [+o raptor] by ChanServ |
| 02:09:50 | raptor | ah, that means i'm an operator |
| 02:10:02 | Little_Apple | oh |
| 02:10:05 | Little_Apple | ok |
| 02:12:03 | raptor | Little_Apple: no discussion on the maps? |
| 02:12:16 | Little_Apple | nope :P |
| 02:12:32 | Little_Apple | i don't usually do reviews... :T |
| 02:12:55 | raptor | do it! |
| 02:13:17 | raptor | provide any feedback |
| 02:13:31 | raptor | because that's what level makers want - so they can design better in the future |
| 02:13:43 | raptor | (at least it's what they *should* want) |
| 02:13:47 | Little_Apple | lol |
| 02:13:51 | Little_Apple | maybe i will |
| 02:14:17 | Little_Apple | i do most of my posting from my iPod so its kind of a hassle to do big posts .__. |
| 02:15:37 | raptor | ipods are not meant to be input devices |
| 02:15:50 | Little_Apple | :P |
| 02:16:02 | Little_Apple | imma do it nao |
| 02:16:03 | sam686 | does your ipod have USB inputs? if yes, plug in USB keyboard... |
| 02:16:12 | Little_Apple | no usb lol |
| 02:16:22 | Little_Apple | but you can get a bluetooth keyboard |
| 02:16:28 | sam686 | What good is a computer without USB inputs? |
| 02:17:16 | Little_Apple | its an iPod. not a laptop |
| 02:18:28 | Little_Apple | raptor: |
| 02:18:37 | Little_Apple | should i add a 1-10 rating? |
| 02:18:50 | Little_Apple | or not? |
| 02:19:11 | Little_Apple | yea i will |
| 02:19:13 | sam686 | i think you could if you wan to.. |
| 02:20:59 | Little_Apple | oh boy lots of 8/10 ratings :P |
| 02:25:06 | raptor | hi |
| 02:25:16 | raptor | back |
| 02:25:26 | raptor | newbork is teething, i think :/ |
| 02:27:34 | Little_Apple | teething? |
| 02:27:46 | Little_Apple | please enlighten me |
| 02:28:00 | raptor | parents don't like to talk about it because it brings up many memories of sleepless nights |
| 02:28:16 | raptor | teething = when a baby starts getting teeth |
| 02:28:40 | raptor | it's actually a painful process for the child, and they can sometimes just cry and cry and cry |
| 02:29:53 | Little_Apple | oh. ouch :c |
| 02:30:46 | raptor | yeah, probably good it happens young: the process of bone popping through your gums is not something you want to remember |
| 02:30:54 | Little_Apple | lol |
| 02:30:59 | Little_Apple | ok i posted |
| 03:03:35 | Little_Apple | LATERS |
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| 04:09:41 | raptor | oh my goodness, i got the game freeorion to compile |
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| 04:55:43 | raptor | well good night - i still can't figure out this LuaW problem |
| 04:57:32 | sam686 | night.. |
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| 12:32:39 | raptor | the transit of venus is today! |
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| 14:27:23 | Heyub_ | One nice thing about the competition... Mappers actually get feedback for a change. |
| 14:27:47 | raptor | yes |
| 14:27:49 | raptor | i love it |
| 14:28:06 | raptor | both the good and the cantankerous |
| 14:28:07 | raptor | :) |
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| 14:48:18 | watusimoto | hi |
| 14:48:26 | raptor | morning |
| 14:48:44 | raptor | you shoudl read bobdaduck's reviews of the levels... |
| 14:48:53 | watusimoto | ok |
| 14:49:05 | raptor | in the 'May Contest Discussion' thread |
| 14:49:14 | watusimoto | try this when you get a chance |
| 14:49:30 | watusimoto | in luaWrapper.h, comment out this line |
| 14:49:31 | watusimoto | luaW_hold<T>(L, obj); // Tell luaW to collect the proxy when it's done with it |
| 14:49:38 | watusimoto | and see if it still crashes |
| 14:49:42 | raptor | ok |
| 14:49:56 | watusimoto | the one in the luaW_push function |
| 14:50:08 | watusimoto | going to furms... |
| 14:50:25 | raptor | see it.. |
| 14:51:03 | raptor | recompiling |
| 14:51:47 | watusimoto | wow... someone was pissy |
| 14:52:05 | raptor | hehe |
| 14:52:25 | raptor | i wonder if he was just upset that he was too busy to enter |
| 14:53:02 | watusimoto | my son got very angry with me because I didn't tell him about the contest |
| 14:53:11 | raptor | oh no! |
| 14:53:24 | watusimoto | he's been focused on other games for a while, so I didn't think he'd care |
| 14:53:27 | watusimoto | but he did! |
| 14:53:51 | watusimoto | I actually thought the levels were of below average quality, overall |
| 14:54:00 | watusimoto | when does the first round of voting end? |
| 14:54:06 | raptor | i'm thinking thursday |
| 14:54:14 | raptor | but i'm open to suggestions |
| 14:54:24 | watusimoto | ok, that should be plenty of time. |
| 14:54:57 | watusimoto | just voted |
| 14:55:52 | watusimoto | thursday is perfect, final vote end sunday? or want to give it a few more days? |
| 14:56:04 | raptor | yeah Sunday or Monday |
| 14:56:17 | watusimoto | it's not like voting takes so long |
| 14:56:21 | raptor | Sunday at midnight? |
| 14:57:11 | watusimoto | let's make it Monday morning sometime so that everyone has all night Sunday |
| 14:57:22 | raptor | ok |
| 14:57:23 | watusimoto | or like Monday 6AM or somethimg |
| 14:57:34 | raptor | sure |
| 14:57:36 | watusimoto | not that it really needs to super strict |
| 14:57:41 | raptor | i'll be up, i'm sure.. |
| 14:57:45 | watusimoto | ha |
| 14:57:51 | raptor | (teething child0 |
| 14:57:53 | watusimoto | just do the results whenever |
| 14:57:57 | watusimoto | fun! |
| 14:58:27 | watusimoto | and to think, after all that trouble, those teeth are going to fall out |
| 14:58:32 | raptor | haha |
| 14:58:47 | raptor | does having two bots quicken the crash? |
| 14:58:48 | watusimoto | and your kids will be a bloody wreck every few weeks |
| 14:58:56 | watusimoto | it doesn't seem to |
| 14:59:05 | raptor | that's what I thought.. |
| 14:59:15 | watusimoto | I've generally tested with one, but have seen it crash with two |
| 15:00:19 | watusimoto | if commenting that line out fixes the problem, we'll have a real mystery on our hands |
| 15:00:52 | raptor | so far 34 to 4 |
| 15:01:18 | raptor | the idle timer is annoying with this test... |
| 15:02:08 | watusimoto | start firing on your bot, and hold the left mouse until you leave the window |
| 15:02:24 | watusimoto | the bot should keep firing because the mouse up will not be detected |
| 15:02:35 | watusimoto | makes the game go faster as well because no spawn shields |
| 15:02:45 | watusimoto | and of course suppresses the idle timer |
| 15:02:49 | raptor | cool! |
| 15:02:52 | raptor | good idea |
| 15:03:07 | watusimoto | that's how I usually test |
| 15:03:15 | watusimoto | then I can minimize the window and watch a movie |
| 15:03:21 | watusimoto | while the game plays itself |
| 15:05:34 | raptor | hmmm... a movie |
| 15:06:19 | watusimoto | I've watched 3 in the past 3 days |
| 15:06:27 | raptor | rats |
| 15:06:31 | raptor | have a meeting |
| 15:06:43 | watusimoto | saw In the Loop two nights ago -- new and creative uses of profanity |
| 15:06:56 | watusimoto | set your game to play itself during your meeting! |
| 15:07:29 | raptor | done! |
| 15:07:35 | raptor | ok, be back in an hour or so... |
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| 15:54:22 | raptor | hi watusimoto |
| 15:54:34 | raptor | so the bot is still killing me: 1201 to 9 |
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| 15:55:56 | raptor | 1234 to 9 |
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| 16:25:25 | raptor | 1464 to 11 |
| 16:31:24 | watusimoto | so that's the problem, probably |
| 16:31:35 | raptor | 1614 to 11 |
| 16:32:37 | watusimoto | well, a good clue |
| 16:32:43 | raptor | so is the fix as simple as removing that? |
| 16:32:54 | watusimoto | well, it will break some other stuff, so no |
| 16:33:19 | watusimoto | but it really narrows down the problem |
| 16:33:43 | watusimoto | that line is what we need to tell lua to take control of the lifecycle of the proxy object |
| 16:34:02 | watusimoto | if we could be sure bots wouldn't hold refs to things from tick to tick we could get rid of it |
| 16:34:36 | watusimoto | but as long as scripts can do that (and there's no way to prevent it), we need to deal with them holding refs to things that have disappeared |
| 16:35:02 | watusimoto | anyway... I'm heading home, but will look into this tonight if I don;t fall asleep first :-) |
| 16:35:10 | raptor | bye |
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| 18:04:47 | Little_Apple | helloo |
| 18:04:54 | raptor | hi |
| 18:06:13 | Little_Apple | whatcha doooin? |
| 18:06:24 | raptor | so i wonder, does 'Allow Robot' always stay at 'yes' in the editor? |
| 18:06:38 | raptor | Listening to 'Winter' by Antonio Vivaldi |
| 18:06:50 | raptor | aww, it just finished |
| 18:07:57 | Little_Apple | replay? |
| 18:08:39 | raptor | already did :) |
| 18:08:56 | Little_Apple | :D |
| 18:09:05 | raptor | on to Handel |
| 18:09:21 | Little_Apple | has you ever tried composing? |
| 18:09:24 | Little_Apple | :P |
| 18:09:44 | raptor | not really, no |
| 18:09:49 | Little_Apple | ah |
| 18:09:55 | raptor | maybe a loooong time ago in school |
| 18:09:57 | Little_Apple | you know much about it? |
| 18:10:03 | raptor | i was always very mathematical |
| 18:10:08 | Little_Apple | ah |
| 18:10:24 | raptor | other than filling in the treble clef bars, no |
| 18:10:39 | Little_Apple | :P |
| 18:11:09 | Little_Apple | id like to compose orchestral music sometime :] |
| 18:13:32 | Little_Apple | where did everyone go? |
| 18:13:47 | Little_Apple | just you and log bot :T |
| 18:13:56 | raptor | yeah - they all leave me about now |
| 18:14:11 | Little_Apple | aww |
| 18:14:11 | raptor | lunch time -ish and dinner -time in europe |
| 18:14:21 | Little_Apple | oh ok |
| 18:14:24 | raptor | they'll be back in an hour or two |
| 18:14:29 | Little_Apple | :P |
| 18:15:20 | Little_Apple | im waitin for my lunch to cook :\ |
| 18:22:53 | Little_Apple | NOM NOM NOM NOIM NOM NOM |
| 18:22:58 | raptor | tasty? |
| 18:23:10 | Little_Apple | yesh. |
| 18:23:17 | Little_Apple | taquitos :P |
| 18:24:33 | raptor | yum |
| 18:24:43 | Little_Apple | omnomnom |
| 18:25:06 | raptor | lunch time! |
| 18:25:35 | Little_Apple | http://www.elmonterey.com/mexicanfood/taquitos/mexican-grill-charbroiled-chicken-breast-taquitos-30ct/ |
| 18:30:22 | Little_Apple | done :D |
| 18:35:00 | raptor | oh wow those are unhealthy |
| 18:40:37 | Little_Apple | :D |
| 18:45:30 | Little_Apple | im bored. |
| 18:47:36 | raptor | i should put you to use, somehow... |
| 18:48:09 | Little_Apple | yes. |
| 18:48:11 | Little_Apple | please. |
| 18:50:17 | raptor | hmmm... |
| 18:54:05 | raptor | well, i'm not sure what to do with bitfighter right now... have you tried protein folding? |
| 18:54:48 | raptor | go here and 'Solve Puzzles for Science': http://fold.it/portal/ |
| 18:57:28 | Little_Apple | protein folding? |
| 18:57:33 | Little_Apple | was ist sad? |
| 18:57:36 | Little_Apple | DAS |
| 18:58:08 | raptor | basically, proteins are like the engines of our bodies |
| 18:58:23 | raptor | and they do work inside of us, like repair and growth |
| 18:58:34 | raptor | to do the work, they need to move |
| 18:58:49 | raptor | we don't understand how proteins move much |
| 18:59:25 | raptor | so this is a game of sorts to figure out the most efficient and likely way certain proteins move |
| 18:59:51 | raptor | protein movement = folding |
| 19:04:24 | Little_Apple | ohhh i think i seeee |
| 19:05:20 | raptor | if we know how proteins fold and do work, then we can better predict how the body works |
| 19:05:31 | Little_Apple | so its like instead of them figuring out how they move they have other people do it for them? :P |
| 19:05:39 | raptor | haha ,yep |
| 19:05:46 | raptor | 'crowdsourcing' |
| 19:05:47 | Little_Apple | sneaky >:D |
| 19:06:53 | raptor | so instead of having 100 scientists and mathematicians knowledgeable, they have a 100,000 bored college students |
| 19:07:21 | raptor | i pulled those numbers out of a hat, of course... |
| 19:07:43 | Little_Apple | :P |
| 19:07:58 | Little_Apple | if you figure it out do you win the nobel prize? |
| 19:08:05 | Little_Apple | :D |
| 19:08:12 | raptor | ha |
| 19:08:26 | raptor | you get to be on their leaderboard, probably... |
| 19:08:39 | Little_Apple | nobel prize?? :D |
| 19:11:50 | Little_Apple | its like portal irl :P |
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| 19:39:10 | raptor | BFLogBot: |
| 19:39:12 | raptor | BFLogBot |
| 19:39:12 | BFLogBot | I'm a real boy.... I think? |
| 19:39:16 | raptor | !bot |
| 19:39:16 | BFLogBot | I'm a real boy! |
| 19:39:24 | raptor | !help |
| 19:39:24 | BFLogBot | type !commands to see a list of commands |
| 19:39:28 | raptor | !commands |
| 19:39:28 | BFLogBot | Commands: airlock bbb bitfighter bot bug bugs dedicated feature help hg log log logs mercurial ninja watusimoto |
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| 19:47:59 | Little_Apple | hihi |
| 19:48:15 | raptor | h |
| 19:49:10 | Little_Apple | h! |
| 19:52:13 | Little_Apple | bbyeyeyeyeyye |
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| 20:18:21 | Little_Apple | helloo again |
| 20:24:36 | raptor | hi |
| 20:26:15 | Little_Apple | whaaatchhhaaa dooooin |
| 20:45:58 | Little_Apple | ooohhh myyyy |
| 20:47:11 | raptor | what is an owl's favorite subject? |
| 20:47:39 | raptor | owlgebra |
| 20:48:17 | raptor | why did the old woman tie skates on the rocking chair? |
| 20:48:48 | raptor | because she wanted to rock and roll |
| 20:55:33 | Little_Apple | WHYYYYYY |
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| 20:57:12 | Little_Apple | helloo! |
| 20:57:27 | raptor | i should go get more jokes... |
| 20:57:57 | Little_Apple | yes you should. |
| 20:58:11 | Little_Apple | hopefully better ones :P |
| 20:58:24 | raptor | you know that can't possibly happen... |
| 20:59:22 | raptor | what starts with 't' is full of 't' and ends with 't'? |
| 20:59:49 | Little_Apple | um |
| 20:59:55 | raptor | teapot! |
| 20:59:56 | Little_Apple | i know this one…. |
| 20:59:58 | Little_Apple | grrr |
| 21:00:08 | Little_Apple | NEXT |
| 21:00:15 | raptor | how do you get an alien baby to sleep? |
| 21:00:22 | Little_Apple | uhhh |
| 21:00:36 | Little_Apple | ROCKET TO SLEEP! |
| 21:00:39 | raptor | haha |
| 21:00:41 | raptor | you got it |
| 21:00:45 | Little_Apple | yay! :D |
| 21:01:03 | raptor | what is a buckaneer? |
| 21:01:12 | Little_Apple | um |
| 21:01:15 | Little_Apple | what |
| 21:01:22 | raptor | expensive corn! |
| 21:01:26 | Little_Apple | lol |
| 21:01:33 | Little_Apple | sounds like cheap corn to me :P |
| 21:01:45 | Little_Apple | i dunnuh |
| 21:01:49 | Little_Apple | im probably wrong |
| 21:01:55 | raptor | well... these are probably like 50 years old more |
| 21:01:56 | Little_Apple | PAY NO ATTENTION TO ME |
| 21:02:20 | Little_Apple | neeext? |
| 21:02:37 | raptor | Teacher: johnny, what is the definition of infinity? |
| 21:02:45 | Little_Apple | uhhh |
| 21:03:01 | Little_Apple | what |
| 21:03:12 | raptor | jonny: tonight's homework? |
| 21:03:16 | Little_Apple | lol |
| 21:03:34 | raptor | ok that's all i got for now... |
| 21:03:41 | Little_Apple | definition of infinity: sideways 8. |
| 21:06:06 | Little_Apple | bored :\ |
| 21:10:05 | Little_Apple | HEY! |
| 21:10:07 | Little_Apple | HEY YOU! |
| 21:10:12 | raptor | is for horses |
| 21:10:17 | Little_Apple | HAY |
| 21:10:23 | Little_Apple | reader rabbit. |
| 21:12:00 | Little_Apple | HEEEEYYY Watusimoto raptor |
| 21:12:44 | raptor | Little_Apple: start another hobby |
| 21:12:47 | raptor | or two |
| 21:13:17 | Little_Apple | liiiike? |
| 21:13:30 | Little_Apple | tatting? |
| 21:13:59 | raptor | go walk outside, look around, and think of something you'd like to learn; then, come back inside, write it down and start |
| 21:14:21 | raptor | the outside part is to clear the head... it doesn't have to be an outside activity |
| 21:15:04 | Little_Apple | um |
| 21:15:23 | Little_Apple | i know what id like to learn but i got no munneh :D |
| 21:16:10 | raptor | are you sure you need money? |
| 21:16:19 | raptor | if so, go and get a job mowing lawns :) |
| 21:17:13 | Little_Apple | :P |
| 21:17:23 | Little_Apple | i need about $400 .__. |
| 21:17:43 | raptor | then you are probably going about your hobby wrong... |
| 21:17:57 | Little_Apple | :D |
| 21:19:57 | Watusimoto | maybe he wants to collect $100 bills |
| 21:21:07 | Watusimoto | anyway, what I'm trying to do is find what the smallest bit of bool luaW_hold(lua_State* L, T* obj) I can comment out and still have the bot not crash |
| 21:21:34 | raptor | ok, let me know if you want some trial-and-error help |
| 21:21:35 | Watusimoto | but I'l probably be asleep again shortly... |
| 21:22:17 | Watusimoto | it's s long method, but i'm starting with the inner most stuff |
| 21:22:32 | Watusimoto | have a game 218-3 |
| 21:22:45 | Watusimoto | not certain yet, but looks promising |
| 21:22:53 | raptor | haha |
| 21:22:57 | Watusimoto | I had a game last night get to 350 or so before a crash |
| 21:23:11 | raptor | i bet if you removed the bot control timer it'd speed up |
| 21:23:50 | Watusimoto | we'd still be limited by game physics |
| 21:24:10 | raptor | i guess that's true... |
| 21:27:17 | Little_Apple | poot! |
| 21:31:17 | Watusimoto | 463 - 5 |
| 21:31:25 | Watusimoto | ok, seems to be it, but NO idea why |
| 21:31:27 | raptor | seems pretty good |
| 21:34:21 | raptor | maybe.... lua-vec has an issue? |
| 21:38:20 | Little_Apple | maybe its throwing a tantrum :\ |
| 21:40:53 | Watusimoto | I think there is something in there that can lead to an object thinking it's something else |
| 21:41:52 | raptor | could we be adjusting the stack elsewhere and it is getting confused? |
| 21:42:41 | raptor | what have you got it narrowed to?.. so i stop pretending to make educated guesses |
| 21:48:00 | Little_Apple | laaaterrrssss |
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| 22:02:23 | Watusimoto | not sure -- I really don't understand what;s going on in here |
| 22:02:50 | Watusimoto | gutting the stuff inside if (lua_isnoneornil(L, -1)){} seems to work |
| 22:03:02 | Watusimoto | and I know that always evaluates to true |
| 22:03:17 | raptor | initeresting |
| 22:04:12 | raptor | maybe you shoudl send an e-mail to the author? |
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| 22:11:28 | raptor | maybe there's a race condition somewhere... |
| 22:14:03 | Watusimoto | I've modified luaw enough that I'm not sure it's his fault |
| 22:14:31 | Watusimoto | one idea I had was to replace luaw with stock version and see if the whole proxy system is to blame |
| 22:14:50 | Watusimoto | that wouldn't be too hard |
| 22:15:11 | Watusimoto | probably just need to neutralize the macros -- replace them with empty statements or whatnot |
| 22:15:53 | raptor | 'stock version'? |
| 22:16:07 | raptor | oh... you mean original LuaW |
| 22:16:08 | Watusimoto | the original unmodified version |
| 22:16:10 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 22:16:47 | Watusimoto | I might try that tomorrow |
| 22:17:27 | Watusimoto | also, should mention I tried 017a on my linux machine today, and it totally froze the whole machine |
| 22:17:36 | Watusimoto | even ctrl-alt-f1 didn;t work |
| 22:17:39 | raptor | 017a or b? |
| 22:17:43 | Watusimoto | a |
| 22:17:51 | Watusimoto | that's what I had installed |
| 22:17:57 | raptor | huh |
| 22:18:06 | Watusimoto | complete total freeze |
| 22:18:13 | Watusimoto | never seen that on linux before |
| 22:18:17 | raptor | no sysrq keys either? |
| 22:18:24 | Watusimoto | what are those? |
| 22:18:30 | raptor | magic sysrq |
| 22:18:37 | Watusimoto | ?? |
| 22:18:43 | raptor | they're *really* low-level kernel control keys |
| 22:18:57 | Watusimoto | what are they? |
| 22:19:04 | raptor | shen in doubt you can still do things like sync the disc and remount read-only |
| 22:19:10 | raptor | *when |
| 22:19:25 | raptor | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 22:20:07 | raptor | special key combos that the kernel understands |
| 22:20:21 | raptor | almost always even if totally frozen |
| 22:20:23 | Watusimoto | didn't know about those |
| 22:20:58 | raptor | anyways, did you ahve the proper 3d drivers installed? |
| 22:21:31 | raptor | actually it might not even matter - a few crashes were fixed with 017b |
| 22:21:32 | Watusimoto | no idea! :-) |
| 22:21:40 | Watusimoto | but I don't want to try it again! |
| 22:22:08 | raptor | if it was ubuntu, then i'm sure they didn't get the crash patches for 017a (because i didn't build those packages :) |
| 22:23:37 | Watusimoto | it was mint |
| 22:23:42 | raptor | so yes |
| 22:23:45 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 22:24:09 | Watusimoto | I'll try with 017b when I feel I can tolerate a complete reboot! |
| 22:24:18 | raptor | haha |
| 22:26:58 | Watusimoto | I really hate rebooting |
| 22:27:38 | raptor | also, do you know about ctrl+alt+backspace? |
| 22:28:22 | raptor | it resets the X server |
| 22:28:34 | raptor | some systems require you hit it twice within a second |
| 22:28:44 | raptor | i usually try that first before sysrq |
| 22:28:50 | raptor | then you only have to log in again |
| 22:31:07 | Watusimoto | no, didn't know about that either |
| 22:31:20 | Watusimoto | next time I'll try ctrl-alt-everything |
| 22:31:36 | Watusimoto | then ctrl-alt-sysreq-everything :-) |
| 22:31:45 | raptor | ha |
| 22:32:23 | Watusimoto | ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't kill programs? |
| 22:32:48 | raptor | it sure does - but only the GUI ones |
| 22:32:58 | Watusimoto | ah, ok |
| 22:33:19 | Watusimoto | for me that's most of the pain of a full reboot |
| 22:33:27 | raptor | ah ok |
| 22:33:45 | Watusimoto | but it would be useful to try anyway |
| 22:33:46 | raptor | there is a sysrq key for killing the most resource intensive program |
| 22:34:26 | raptor | 'f' is the key for it |
| 22:34:31 | raptor | (with the sysrq combo |
| 22:36:59 | raptor | anyways, there's loads of stuff you can do to keep from rebooting in linux :) but if your pain is with the running GUI programs, then there isn't much to do... |
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| 22:40:26 | Little_Apple | helloo |
| 22:40:31 | raptor | hi |
| 22:40:58 | Little_Apple | whatcha doooin? |
| 22:42:23 | raptor | playing with magic sysrq keys |
| 22:42:34 | raptor | (it's a Linux thing) |
| 22:44:12 | raptor | ok, heading home! |
| 22:44:27 | raptor | taking the wife shooting for the first time.. |
| 22:45:18 | Little_Apple | what you be shootin? |
| 22:45:39 | raptor | various rifles that some of the other families in the neighborhood have |
| 22:45:45 | Little_Apple | :D |
| 22:46:00 | Little_Apple | shotguns are fun :] |
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| 22:46:34 | Little_Apple | hi sam |
| 22:48:30 | Little_Apple | hehehehhee |
| 22:48:38 | Little_Apple | wow. lots of munnies :P |
| 22:49:46 | Watusimoto | trying a crazy idea |
| 22:49:54 | Watusimoto | but this is it for me for tonight |
| 22:50:01 | Watusimoto | if it works, great, if not, tomorrow |
| 22:50:06 | raptor | ok |
| 22:50:26 | Little_Apple | :P |
| 22:50:39 | raptor | great, my wife informed me that both my children ate styrofoam |
| 22:51:04 | Little_Apple | meep |
| 22:51:30 | Little_Apple | doesnt sound extremely healthy... |
| 22:54:48 | Watusimoto | strenghens resistance against pesticides and such |
| 22:55:00 | Watusimoto | they'll thank you one day |
| 22:55:17 | raptor | ha |
| 22:55:51 | Little_Apple | lol |
| 22:56:31 | raptor | ok, now i'm going home for real... |
| 22:56:33 | raptor | later! |
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| 22:57:44 | Little_Apple | :P |
| 22:58:58 | Little_Apple | lzaaaterrrszzsseadgf |
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