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IRC Log for 2012-06-30

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00:01:49Zoomber Quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi)


04:19:05zoomber_mbp has joined


04:19:11zoomber_mbpsam686, you on?


04:19:24sam686...........................


04:19:31zoomber_mbphi


04:19:35zoomber_mbpoh, brb 1 minute


04:20:19zoomber_mbpok


04:20:24zoomber_mbpwait, was that an autoreply?


04:20:27zoomber_mbpi'm going to find out


04:20:30zoomber_mbpping sam686


04:20:35zoomber_mbpsam686, you on?


04:20:38zoomber_mbpguess it wasnt


04:20:41sam686?


04:20:47zoomber_mbpi need your help


04:20:51sam686what?


04:21:13zoomber_mbpall my VPSs are going to expire soon, and I need to know which ones i should renew


04:21:51zoomber_mbpKeep in mind, with my second internet connection, (2mbps up, 30 mbps down), i will host a 1GB ubuntu server on my old ibm m52 desktop


04:21:55zoomber_mbpthat used to have hackintosh


04:22:22zoomber_mbp96 server died sadly so can't renew that


04:22:49sam686so did the fehosting website died


04:23:25sam686can you list all your current vps servers RAM and Price?


04:23:31zoomber_mbpyes, 1 sec


04:23:33zoomber_mbpgonna get a drink


04:23:40zoomber_mbpif you have time, go on bit fighter, i'm down to play a game or two


04:24:52zoomber_mbpok


04:24:54zoomber_mbphave my drink


04:24:58zoomber_mbpnow for ram and prices


04:25:57zoomber_mbp208 server: 384MB ram, 25$ first time, but 15 yearly


04:26:04zoomber_mbpright now all my servers are 15 dollars


04:31:40sam686i think the 208 server was a bit laggy for bitfighter server?


04:32:25zoomber_mbpyes


04:32:29zoomber_mbpshould I only keep one though?


04:33:09sam686not sure, maybe you don't really need the 208 server, i guess?


04:33:40zoomber_mbpmaybe not


04:33:43zoomber_mbpjust, it has more ram


04:35:48sam686I have some list of your vps servers I keep track of


04:36:34zoomber_mbpoh? curious


04:36:47sam686there is 74.122.199.250 (for my bitfighter sam686) and 216.231.134.232 which appear to be from the same vps company


04:37:15zoomber_mbpyes


04:37:23sam686216.231.134.232 which may be laggy


04:37:37zoomber_mbpwhat if i got this


04:37:39zoomber_mbphttp://www.lowendbox.com/


04:37:40zoomber_mbpwait


04:37:46zoomber_mbphttp://www.lowendbox.com/blog/yourdomaingoeshere-45year-768mb-openvz-vps-in-dallas-usa/


04:37:58sam686i don't know about 176.9.192.141, i just somehow have it listed as "new zoomber server" maybe my notes aren't up to date


04:38:12zoomber_mbpI cancelled that one


04:40:01sam686does it have dedicated CPU (less LAG!!) or not?


04:47:06zoomber_mbphmm


04:47:14zoomber_mbpi think they all have shared cpu


04:47:15zoomber_mbpleme check


04:48:00zoomber_mbpall the 216 and 74 one say is "1 Core CPU"


04:49:35sam686i think that might mean dedicated CPU?   as long as that at least one CPU is not shared it is ok


04:50:06zoomber_mbphmm


04:50:10zoomber_mbpmaybe


04:50:48sam686you could check your CPU of 208.115.198.220 and see what it says about CPU? its probably shared CPU causing some lag


04:52:26zoomber_mbphow to check it?


04:53:30zoomber_mbpcould get a 768 MB ram 2 core server for 43$ anually


04:53:42zoomber_mbpThats about 3 servers all in one,


04:53:58sam686company's website selling vps showing lots of info about it?


04:55:05zoomber_mbplooking now


04:55:37sam686"equal CPU" is probably not a dedicated CPU...


04:56:14zoomber_mbpwhat's good about 217 and 74 is they have


04:56:15zoomber_mbpCore i7 950 Nodes


04:56:16zoomber_mbpWith powerful 4 core, 8 thread nodes, your virtual private server will show top preformance!


04:56:19zoomber_mbpsays^


04:57:02sam686umm thats probably shared CPU, expecially if one machine runs more then 12 VPS...


04:57:52zoomber_mbpah


04:58:12zoomber_mbpso we might want to change that then?


04:58:53sam686yes,  dedicated  1 CPU is what we should look for in real-time server like Bitfighter


04:59:50zoomber_mbpcould use my IBM, 1 GB ram, probably only running bit fighter and maybe httpd stuff


05:00:08zoomber_mbpseparate internet connection, 2 mbps up, 30 down


05:00:48sam686possibly, though it depends on how well cable modem and your internet is..


05:01:18zoomber_mbpthose speeds are constant


05:01:33zoomber_mbpI could do another speediest..


05:16:45sam68674.122.199.250 216.231.134.232 are both 256 MB, which somewhat doesn't seem to be enough memory to do much


05:18:17sam686zoomber_mbp i see one difference, 74.122.199.250 is 64-bit... and 216.231.134.232 is 32 bit,  32 bit have smaller pointer size which overall take up a a bit less memory


05:18:30zoomber_mbpoh, i can make them either


05:18:46sam686hint:  uname -a    (x86-64 is 64 bit,  i686 is 32 bit


05:20:42zoomber_mbphmm, i guess I can just keep the 74 one


05:21:26zoomber_mbpunless theres a better deal


05:21:35sam68632- bit is kind of good enough when memory is the limit (64-bit uses more memory, but maxes out at 2 GB per process)


05:22:06sam686i meant 32-bit maxes out at 2 GB per process, any more then 2 GB you should have 64 bit


05:22:52zoomber_mbponly difference is pointer size? but there's no window system in a console only system..?


05:23:54sam686difference between x86_64 (64 bit) and i686 (32-bit) is pointer size, and faster 64-bit integer math


05:24:23sam686bitfighter don't hardly use 64-bit integer math anyway, it uses floating points for positions of everything


05:26:50zoomber_mbpwhat is pointer size?


05:27:47sam686pointers in C++ is::   int char * c = "hello";  or {'h', 'e', 'l', 'l', 'o', 0);


05:28:03sam686sizeof(chat *) returns 4 or 8 (32 bit or 64 bit)


05:28:12sam686char (not chat)


05:29:06zoomber_mbpok, so what makes 64 bit then be able to use any amount of ram and not like 4 GB, just as (32 bit uses 2 GB)


05:29:07sam686sizeof(char) = 8 (not a pointer)    sizeof(void *) = 32 or 64    (void could be anything)


05:29:10zoomber_mbpor is it not linear here


05:30:19sam686but if you do   char *a[65536]  then that will make a huge difference on memory usage (256 MB or 64-bit: 512 MB)


05:30:49zoomber_mbpok


05:31:35sam686it might be possible to run 32-bit inside 64-bit operating system, but linux don't really do that way very good (need all kinds of 32-bit libraries)


05:32:03zoomber_mbpso its better to run 64 bit


05:32:04zoomber_mbp?


05:32:38sam686probably yes, unless having less then 512 MB of total RAM


05:32:58zoomber_mbplike in the server's case


05:33:59sam686there is many things, including the core kernal, that all uses lots of pointers.. 64 bit might use up maybe 1.3 times more RAM then 32 bit


05:35:22zoomber_mbpor we could find a plan similar to the 96 server


05:35:39zoomber_mbpwhich was 20$ /year with 510 MB burst 256 solid


05:35:45sam686after some searching https://www.google.com/search?q=32+bit+vs+64+bit+RAM+usage+linux


05:36:04sam686it appears to more like 1.5 time more memory on 64 bit then 32-bit


05:37:32zoomber_mbpyes


05:37:47zoomber_mbpso should for sure use a 32 bit system


05:38:14sam686we could use 216.231.134.232 and have a little more memory free from 32-bit taking up less RAM then 64-bit


05:39:04zoomber_mbpyes


05:39:08zoomber_mbpfound an offer


05:39:15sam686which isn't running much at all (but a memory eating mysql - maybe mysql could be configured to use less RAM)


05:39:23zoomber_mbp50 dollars annually (lame make sure my discount is recurring though)


05:46:08zoomber_mbpno, old offer


05:46:09zoomber_mbpnevermind


05:47:20sam686i think we should just stick with 32-bit for 512 MB or less..


05:47:20zoomber_mbpok sam


05:47:25zoomber_mbpquestion


05:47:45zoomber_mbpis there a way to figure out how much ram on 74 and 216 servers is burstable ram?


05:48:24sam686i don't think there is a way, sort of looking up your VPS company for that info..


05:48:37zoomber_mbpi found a similar one to the 96 server


05:48:52zoomber_mbpcheck out this thread, tell me your thought


05:48:53zoomber_mbphttp://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1167722&highlight=yearly


05:49:03zoomber_mbpit's 256 / 512 burst, for only 20 dollars a year


05:49:25zoomber_mbpI could even go to level 2


05:49:54zoomber_mbpthey claim 1 gbps speed too, I bet it's shared, but no idea


05:51:18zoomber_mbpah no, it's an upgrade for 15 extra dollars


05:51:35sam686internet speed is not much of a problem, but sometimes they put a limit like 30GB per month bandwidth..


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05:51:59LoneWolfyhey


05:52:03sam686hi


05:52:10LoneWolfylook in bf


05:52:39sam686me and zoomber is kind of talking about some servers price and desiding what zoomber want..


05:57:34zoomber_mbpwhat do you think of that link sam?


06:00:42sam686what CPU is it? a dedicated CPU?


06:00:55zoomber_mbphmm, lets see if it shows somewhere


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06:08:08zoomber_mbpSam, it says irc scripts/bots forbidden on it,


06:08:14zoomber_mbpso that means, no kind of logbot?


06:08:20zoomber_mbpor something similear?


06:08:44zoomber_mbpBandwidth and CPU intensive scripts are strictly forbiden


06:09:19sam686maybe thats a sign to not use that VPS offer...


06:09:38zoomber_mbpthat's just in their TOS, but is that out of the ordinary?


06:09:50sam686bitfighter easily eats a bunch of CPU with robots or giant laps like dungeons


06:10:06zoomber_mbpok


06:10:11sam686different VPS company have different TOS


06:10:26sam686usually dedicated CPU lets you use as much CPU as you want


06:17:48zoomber_mbpok, sent a support ticket about it


06:17:55zoomber_mbpwe'll see if it's a shared cpu or not


06:21:51zoomber_mbpfound a 36 dollar yearly 512 MB dec 1GB burst server


06:21:57zoomber_mbp2Ghz 1 core guarenteed server


06:22:12sam686website?


06:24:09zoomber_mbphttp://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1164767&highlight=yearly


06:24:15zoomber_mbpit's the VPS starter plan


06:25:27sam686i don't see where it says CPU..


06:27:23sam686i think you just copy and paste the same link you just gave to me...


06:27:31zoomber_mbpwait


06:27:32zoomber_mbpi did?


06:27:45zoomber_mbpno thats the one


06:27:47sam686or not,


06:27:53zoomber_mbpYearly Price: $3.00 NO SETUP FEES!


06:27:59zoomber_mbpdid i?


06:28:08zoomber_mbpno, same website, just different page


06:28:30zoomber_mbphere's the page where it shows the spee


06:28:31zoomber_mbphttp://www.jollyworkshosting.com/affordable_openvzvps.php


06:29:04sam686http://www.jollyworkshosting.com/affordable_openvzvps.php gives a better picture and more info


06:29:17sam686io guess you beat me to the link


06:29:20zoomber_mbphaha


06:29:31zoomber_mbpthat's a first i beat you to posting a link on this irc


06:31:50sam686http://www.jollyworkshosting.com/tos.php


06:32:07sam686so it should work - bitfighter server only use one CPU core...


06:32:38sam686hint: search in page a "CPU"


06:33:23zoomber_mbpwhy don't they like it when people run IRCs?


06:33:43sam686i think IRCd is irc server...


06:34:00sam686maybe irc client like BFLogBot may be ok


06:34:11zoomber_mbpyes it is


06:34:17sam686no "malicious bots" as in no bots that send virus or other evil stuff..


06:35:53sam686so i guess thats a good choice i think... one more thing, location of server?


06:38:28zoomber_mbphmm


06:38:31zoomber_mbpdont know


06:38:34zoomber_mbpalso, there's this


06:38:41zoomber_mbplooks like an even better deal, but not sure about their toe yet


06:38:43zoomber_mbptos*


06:38:45zoomber_mbphttp://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1162006&highlight=yearly


06:38:57zoomber_mbpthis one gives us 1 GB / 1.5GB burst ram for same money


06:39:16zoomber_mbpwait


06:39:24zoomber_mbpnever mind that link, that's not a recurring discount


06:40:18sam686our existing server (what i am running Bitfighter sam686 on) does give such a low ping to most players..


06:41:30zoomber_mbpok


06:41:38zoomber_mbphere's what I think I'll possibly do


06:42:02zoomber_mbpcontinue paying for either 74 or 216 server, but not both, and get one of the jollyworkshosting servers too


06:43:07sam686I might say 216 server - 32 bit uses less memory


06:43:18zoomber_mbpok


06:43:20zoomber_mbpi can use either


06:43:26sam686i can easily move my bitfighter sam68 over to antoerh server..


06:44:31zoomber_mbpok


06:44:43zoomber_mbpstart copying stuff to both servers then, so we have the options open


06:44:57zoomber_mbpAlso, 216 server was bought later, so will be longer before invoice


06:45:21sam686when will 74 expire?


06:47:45zoomber_mbpnot sure, I saw an invoice generated sent to my email, but when I clicked on it I couldn't find it


07:00:21zoomber_mbpsam686 still on?


07:00:29sam686..


07:00:36zoomber_mbpok


07:00:51zoomber_mbptheres this too


07:00:52zoomber_mbphttp://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1150654&highlight=yearly


07:01:04zoomber_mbp15 dollars, gives a bit more than 256 Mb ram


07:01:37zoomber_mbpso, that and this:


07:01:38zoomber_mbphttp://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1164767&highlight=yearly


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07:10:13zoomber_mbpsorry, comp died


07:11:33sam686i don't know, i thikn you used to have 123systems.net right now as in laggy 208


07:13:26zoomber_mbpok


07:13:30zoomber_mbpso should I go buy this serv?


07:13:41zoomber_mbp1 GB burst, 2.0 Ghz, 36$


07:14:15sam68636 dollers for one year?


07:14:50zoomber_mbpyes


07:14:58zoomber_mbp512 dedicated RAM


07:15:02sam686it looks like good enough..


07:20:09zoomber_mbpnow to find my wallet...


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07:44:53Zoomberok sam686


07:44:56Zoomberwill pay now...


07:51:47sam686well i kind of figured out why it limits the virtual memory and not limiting "RES" memory, the vps company is using OpenVZ  that doe that, other virtualization don't have that "VM" limits, but is limited by "RESource RAM" found on "TOP"


07:51:56sam686well i kind of figured out why it limits the virtual memory and not limiting "RES" memory, the vps company is using OpenVZ  that doe that, other virtualization don't have that "VM" limits, but is limited by "RESource RAM" found on "TOP"


07:52:02sam686oops doule chat..


07:52:22sam686was reading http://serverfault.com/questions/292093/confusing-memory-usage-in-parallels-vm


07:56:02sam686so that means if we chosen a vps that runs Xen, KVM, VMWare, etc not Virtuozzo (or OpenVZ) we can use more RAM as virtual size won't count (resource counts) like it does on OpenVZ (and unfortunately our 72 and 216 is limiting it by virtual memory)


07:56:15sam686Zoomber,  i will need to get to bed


07:56:54Zoomberok


07:56:56Zoomberhmm


07:57:21Zoomberthing is, Xen costs alot more too


07:57:24Zoombermakes up for the money


07:58:09sam686well i guess its a balance between openvz + 2x memory vs zen + 1x memory i guess prise wize


07:58:23sam686bye


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15:10:16zoomber_mbphey raptor


15:10:33zoomber_mbpswitched to a nice new arizona server


15:10:34zoomber_mbp66.85.153.164


15:10:58zoomber_mbpBitfighter's going to love it's awesome 1GB Of free ram


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20:31:55FordcarsHello...


20:32:00raptorhi


20:32:14FordcarsFINALLY! got IRC to work


20:32:23raptorwelcome :)


20:32:29FordcarsThanks!


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20:41:59zoomber_mbphey raptor


20:42:06raptorhi


20:42:14FordcarsHi


20:42:36zoomber_mbphi fordcars


20:42:43Fordcarshello


20:42:48zoomber_mbpwell raptor, I just bought an excellent new 1 GB ram vps


20:43:02raptorcool


20:43:05Fordcarslucky!


20:43:05zoomber_mbptoo bad _k isn't still here, it's arizona based


20:43:09raptoris it your only one now?


20:43:18zoomber_mbpprobably going to size down to just that


20:43:25zoomber_mbpbut may keep 216 server as a backup


20:43:40zoomber_mbpthat one's so cheap, why not


20:43:55zoomber_mbpwant an account?


20:44:13raptorno thanks  :)   I have too many computers I manage already...


20:44:30zoomber_mbpyeah..but you could put up bit fighter server on this one


20:44:53zoomber_mbpsam and i are going to use it for bit fighter sam686 probably, but it has a lot of ram


20:45:01zoomber_mbpand i think 2Ghz Dual core dedicated to me


20:48:56zoomber_mbphmm


20:48:57zoomber_mbp  --> qmail conflicts with sendmail


20:49:11zoomber_mbpwhich ones better?


20:49:46zoomber_mbpill just keep sendmail


20:50:10zoomber_mbpnow i can yum update


20:50:14raptori've only ever used sendmail and postfix


20:50:27raptorbut make sure both can't be used as an outside relay..


20:50:28zoomber_mbpI'm basically using half my ram just on updates


20:50:44zoomber_mbpwell anyways, only using sendmail


20:50:52zoomber_mbpand i don't even intend to use it so..


20:58:56raptormake sure port 25 is blocked...  :)


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21:05:59zoomber_mbplol yessir


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21:12:59kaen is connecting through a tin can with a piece of string


21:13:13raptor says 'speak louder, i can't hear you'


21:13:24zoomber_mbphi


21:13:42Fordcarsyeah


21:13:55kaenlmao


21:14:06zoomber_mbp426 miserable updates


21:14:26raptordon't VPS's offer centos 6 yet?


21:14:49raptoralso, they really should rebase the centos 5 distro with all the patches on first install in a VPS...


21:15:00zoomber_mbpI'm pretty sure they did, but I must have missed that screen


21:15:14zoomber_mbpI don't think i have Epel or Rhel either


21:16:57kaenraptor: any idea why the server gives times in GMT+4 ?


21:17:07kaenis the server in moscow?


21:17:44zoomber_mbpthe master server?


21:17:45raptoryes


21:17:48raptorit's in moscow


21:18:17zoomber_mbpran by thugs, for thugs


21:18:24kaenwait, really?


21:18:36raptoryeah...  watusimoto got the VPS in that timezone...


21:18:43kaenoh awesome!


21:18:56kaenI thought I was bug hunting :P


21:19:20raptorha!


21:19:25raptoryeah i went through that too...


21:19:34raptorso anything with databases we try to keep UTC


21:20:04raptorqueries, i mean...


21:20:09zoomber_mbpI guess moscow is closer to Germany than New york or la


21:22:24kaenah I see


21:22:36raptorwait a minute...


21:22:49raptorthe geoIP database says the VPS is in atlanta georgia


21:22:52Fordcarswhy is moscow


21:22:59raptorbut the timezone has *always* been moscow...


21:25:23kaenare you sure it's atlanta? georgia is a country in that time zone


21:25:45raptorwell - do an IP lookup on 199.192.229.168


21:26:24kaenlol I got ottawa, canada


21:26:31kaenhttp://geoiptool.com/en/?IP=199.192.229.168


21:26:37raptorwell great!


21:26:46raptorour server is everywhere!


21:28:39zoomber_mbpI get kansas city


21:28:40zoomber_mbphttp://webdetail.org/ip/199.192.229.168


21:29:20zoomber_mbpyep, again


21:29:21zoomber_mbphttp://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/199.192.229.168


21:29:51zoomber_mbpthis one says it's in Olathe


21:29:52zoomber_mbphttp://www.ip-adress.com/whois/199.192.229.168


21:31:16zoomber_mbpalso


21:31:21zoomber_mbpit seems as if bit fighter has it's own shorturl


21:31:23zoomber_mbphttp://IP.ru/aea8w2


21:31:35raptorhow did you find that?


21:31:58zoomber_mbpI've looked everything up in google


21:33:48zoomber_mbpi might need to go for a bit..


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22:36:42watusimotohi


22:38:56watusimotohad a looong day... heading to bed


22:39:22watusimotoI'll try to check in over the next few days... if I don't talk to any of you before I get back, see you Friday!


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23:48:02raptorsooo


23:48:13raptorleap-second is tonight


23:49:15raptorbetter make sure bitfighter.org is patched...


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