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IRC Log for 2012-10-23

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00:43:49amgine123456z zz zzzz zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
00:50:56amgine123456so koda whatcha doing with Bf now?
01:23:47amgine123456hmm i may have founda bug not sure
01:25:24amgine123456using /showzones again doest make it go away?
01:34:19amgine123456ive tried it a coule if times and it doesnt seem to wrok of course maybe its not supposed not thought i wouldnt be sure why
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01:44:52amgine123456hi sam can i have you check somthing
01:45:03amgine123456 teh bugt above and see if its just me
01:45:15amgine123456 or if oyu have the same problem
01:46:08amgine123456hi sam
01:51:41sam686hi
01:54:06amgine123456can you test it?
01:56:32sam686a /showzones problem?
01:57:25amgine123456yes shouldnt using it a second time diable it?
01:57:37amgine123456it doesnt on mine at least
01:58:52sam686it crash if you do /showzones twice when change level
02:00:06amgine123456hmm maybe should we add that to the running bug list?
02:00:53amgine123456cause thats what happned to me as well
02:01:01amgine123456i wanted you to confirm it
02:01:09sam686adding as bug list
02:04:45amgine123456ok thanks make sure you give me credit for finding it =)
02:07:17sam686also I found that the typing in a chat is harder to see, except if the typing area is on top of wall which somehow darker - Double render wemi-transparent problem?
02:07:27sam686semi (not wemi)
02:09:46sam686I just got a stupid exception: Unhandled exception at 0x772715de in Bitfighter_d.exe: 0x00000000: The operation completed successfully.
02:11:28amgine123456yeah
02:13:14amgine123456the text diplays different if its over a wall whn it should diplay over it
02:13:26amgine123456add that to the list as well
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02:26:00raptorcontrails are gone!
02:26:03raptorok that's all
02:27:18amgine123456ah rqaptor so your here the bug list has been extended thanks to my help
02:27:44raptoryes, i see that...
02:27:45raptorthanks
02:28:14raptoractually, i have homework to do... just thought i'd add to the list, too!
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02:39:32amgine123456cough sam will oyu test somthing with me host a server
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03:19:13raptorsam686: i don't understand the chat issue
03:19:18raptori can see my chats just fine..
03:27:53amgine123456try putting the caht over a wall it sisplays weird
03:28:09raptorno it doesn't...
03:28:51raptorthat's just the light-on-dark background playing tricks with your eyes...
03:28:55raptorit's not really dimmer
03:33:22amgine123456well iot shoud display correctly over walls not chage and no it does change
03:35:53raptorhttp://sam6.25u.com/upload/4screenshot_5.png
03:35:59raptorhttp://sam6.25u.com/upload/2screenshot_6.png
03:36:28raptoris that what you mean by different?
03:36:46raptorIt its the same 'white', but I just tested: it is slightly more blended
03:36:59raptorso you are right that it is different, but not by much...
03:46:11Fordcars has joined
03:46:40Fordcarshi
03:46:50raptorhi
03:48:15Fordcarsdo you know what was up with my server? It was completely freezing when more than 4 people were logging in it (CleverBot(IC4N1)
03:48:20Fordcarswas present
03:48:35Fordcars.
03:48:38raptorha
03:48:48raptori don't know, sorry...
03:48:59Fordcarshe called me troll, haker and lods of stuff (sniff)
03:49:09Fordcarslol
03:49:10raptoryeah, did you try and ignore him?
03:49:12sam686were you playing NEXUS with thousands of flags trying to drop?
03:49:20Fordcarsnah that was later
03:49:30raptorhow about lots and lots of asteroids?
03:49:31Fordcarsit was retreive01
03:49:42Fordcarsstandard level
03:50:01sam686did your host had upload levels? if yes, then maybe a sumb crashy level caused it..
03:50:15sam686or you might have a crashy level..
03:50:37Fordcarsit was a standard level and level gen tutorial
03:50:46Fordcarsby watsumoto
03:51:31sam686when others have level change permission, they could change level or add bots
03:51:35Fordcarsanyway cleverbot admitted he was IC4N (supposably)
03:51:52Fordcarsuhm It was my server and we were always in the same level
03:52:05Fordcarscant add more than 10 bots I think
03:52:10sam686might be /addbots 999 caused it..
03:52:27Fordcarsit says server too full when you do that
03:52:51raptordid you check the log file?
03:53:03raptormaybe it will give a clue as to the last action before it froze....
03:53:17Fordcarsand it didnt say anything and when the 4 person logged in my server, it froze until the 4 people logged out
03:53:21sam686did it freeze or crash, first of all?
03:53:24Fordcarswere is the log
03:53:28Fordcarsfreeze
03:53:43Fordcars25 seconds about
03:53:47Fordcarseach time
03:54:00Fordcarswhere is the log?
03:54:16raptornot sure on windows, do you know sam686?
03:54:36sam686maybe on c:\program files/bitfighter
03:55:07sam686it may be a bitfighter_server.log, open with notepad
03:55:22Fordcarsfound a server log
03:55:30sam686the bottom of lod file is most recent, the top of log is older..
03:56:13Fordcarshere, I think
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03:56:53raptorha
03:57:47sam686it might only be your internet being really laggy at some time, making it look like everyone frozen..
03:59:07sam686poor Fordcard, forgot that he tried to paste something too much and got disconnected..
03:59:24raptorthat never seems to happen to watusimoto
04:00:41sam686most likely, Watusimoto have some IRC client that does a delay-paste one per line..
04:00:58raptorah, then that's me too
04:01:05raptorfixed zones..
04:01:30BFLogBot Commit: 097bb4c7bd26 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix toggling botzones, as well as render crash when changing levels
04:01:38raptorare you working on a bug, sam686?
04:03:10amgine123456well i hope i helped with BF i feel like i havent done much buit maybe thats just me
04:03:20Fordcars_ has joined
04:03:30raptorhi Fordcars_
04:03:38raptoryou were kicked for pasting too much at once... sorry
04:03:39Fordcars_Sorrry!!
04:03:49raptorstrict IRC servers...
04:03:57Fordcars_yes haha sorry
04:04:27sam686it is most likely your internet connection trying to host can't handle increasing needed speed and lagging all players, often make all other players freeze..
04:04:31Fordcars_well the log only said that people were logging in and out
04:04:39raptorrats
04:05:29amgine123456if only a scripty could be put in the game that would give the exact line nubmer that a error occured in the game
04:05:37amgine123456whn a crash occurs
04:05:43Fordcars_my fps and server was very fast and when phantomite joined (4th player), it froze
04:06:14raptorwere you on a dedicated server? or hosting yourself
04:06:23Fordcars_cleverbot was laughing at me ›:(
04:06:35raptorhe would
04:06:38Fordcars_hosting myself in BF
04:06:38sam686also don't right click the "Bitfighter" title bar of your hosting client on windows, it will freeze..
04:06:52sam686also dragging windows freezes while dragging..
04:07:03Fordcars_ok thanks
04:07:13raptorthat's fixed with SDL2, right sam686?
04:07:32Fordcars_but it really was when 4 people played
04:07:35amgine123456fordcars ignore cliver bot and if needed ban him from your server forever = 99999999999999999999999999999999999 years
04:07:44raptorDO NOT BAN CLEVERBOT
04:07:55sam686SDL2 still doesn't fix the freezing problem..
04:07:55raptorjust ignore - if you ban him, he wins
04:07:56amgine123456yes ban him hes a jerk
04:08:07raptoryou become his target
04:08:14raptorsam686: what!?
04:08:19Fordcars_ thanks, yes I know by the way I am not crying about it lol.
04:08:25raptorhaha, ok
04:08:52amgine123456 oyu know raptor now offence but i think your to nice to him i htink admins should be able to game ban people to prevent jerks like him/herr of harressing people it would be not aonly a a count ban but a i.p ban
04:09:29amgine123456people who misuse the game dont deserve to be on it plain and simple
04:09:39sam686there are -dedicated command for a reason, if your non-hosting client crash, the server stays up
04:09:48raptordon't worry about cleverbot
04:10:00raptorsam686: how do i make it freeze with SDL2 in windows?
04:10:15Fordcars_and somehow cleverbot could still chat normally when I was completely frozen
04:10:27raptoroh.. that's a clue
04:10:29raptorhmmm
04:10:35raptoryeah, probably a window problem
04:10:41sam686simply moving the window, hodling down mouse button, or right click the top title bar (in non-fullscreen)
04:10:55raptorsam686: ok, i'm testing in my VM now..
04:11:39Fordcars_lol I had a frame per minute and each frame, cleverbot was still chatting. I was full screen
04:11:42sam686testing on VM? Vanilla Mushroom?
04:11:51raptorha
04:12:04Fordcars_voice mail?
04:12:13raptorok, i'm moving the window - the CPU actually decreases to almost 0
04:12:27sam686because it freezes bitfighter while dragging..
04:12:32Fordcars_wow
04:12:47sam686try hosting and dragging, then you see the effects of others lagging because of it
04:12:48Fordcars_but I wasnt that
04:12:55raptoroh, ok, that's OK - that's actually a windows problem...
04:13:06raptorI'm not sure there's a way around that...
04:13:22raptori thought you mean the CPU spiked and never comes back
04:13:35sam686it might be Fordcard might have accidently right click the title bar while aiming up and shielding or turbo..
04:13:42Fordcars_ASK PHANTOMITE he was there (if it was really him)
04:13:42raptorFordcars_: yours sounds like a different issue...
04:14:10raptorha, you're correct sam686 - right-click does it too...
04:14:19raptorok, that's an SDL bug
04:14:23sam686FordCars, what is your Computer CPU and RAM? (right click computer, properties)
04:14:28Fordcars_me was really server when 4th player logged in. I wasnt moving my mouse and was in fullscreen
04:15:31Fordcars_ram:4 gb, cpu is 3 ghz I think (I am on mobile device now)
04:15:41sam686it might also be some other background programs trying to use more CPU then bitfighter, or popping up messages (message box is often evil in fullscreen mode)
04:15:57Fordcars_computer wasnt working that hard I think
04:16:22sam686a 3 GHz pentium 4 or a 3 GHz i5 cpu? there is a big difference between the 2..
04:16:31Fordcars_I checked and BF was the only app running, no messages
04:16:57Fordcars_apple II
04:17:21raptorFordcars_: could it be something weird with a firewall?
04:17:24Fordcars_haha acctually pentium 4, 3ghz. 4gb ram
04:17:35raptorlike it detects 4 connections and does something funny?
04:18:07amgine123456im having no problems with moving hte game screen and it crashing
04:18:26Fordcars_it really was whe 4th player (I actually disabled security stuff yesterday because of a bug with game in lan)
04:18:46sam686is your computer wireless?
04:19:31Fordcars_it is complex. it is wired to a wireless receiver (ethernet cable)
04:21:17sam686wireless can lag more then wired, thats part of a problem when hosting..
04:21:37sam686what graphics are you using?
04:21:43raptorlooks like Windows blocks the entire thread when moving/resizing...
04:22:03raptorsee: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7450156/c-sdl-application-pauses-when-dragged
04:22:08fordcars----- has joined
04:22:57sam686what graphics are you using? old intel graphics can lag a lot, expecially old ones like year 2004 and older, intel graphics 8xx.
04:23:03fordcars-----sorry can you guys repete what you said since my last post?
04:23:39Fordcars_ Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
04:23:41sam686hosting over wireless can lag with several players over that one wireless..
04:24:18fordcars-----yeah but 4 players, completely freezing?
04:24:50raptorhow added that switch teams bug?
04:24:53amgine12345 has joined
04:24:56raptorhow to duplicate?
04:25:08amgine12345lol i just got a hard irc chat cpatcha
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04:25:30fordcars-----ask cleverbot ( I would play in window) ;)
04:25:31sam686join or host, use a level with multiple teams (like all CTF usually) and change a player team (not change team)
04:25:33amgine123456hi fordcars
04:25:54amgine123456i refuse to play with clever bot
04:26:17fordcars-----i would need a server with 4 real players
04:26:32amgine123456ill do it 18 or 17b?
04:26:35sam686i could join a server 4 times at once..
04:27:53amgine123456yeah but you would lag sam the more players one has on one server the more lag increases
04:28:09fordcars-----i guess but twomorrow because my computer is closed for tne night
04:28:09sam686fordcars, you can try hosting now, I can try and see how many client I can join it..
04:28:26fordcars-----lol eumm
04:29:01amgine123456ill join as well
04:29:27fordcars-----my computer is shutdown :( eumm let me think
04:30:10sam686or we could try this tomorrow if you need sleep..
04:30:31fordcars-----i will try to open it again but have to be sneeky
04:30:42fordcars-----maybe
04:30:55sam686i think its better to do it tomorrow..
04:31:16fordcars-----but its fan is soooooo loud (its a tower)
04:31:43sam686for now, i guess I can only tell you to maybe avoid hosting, and maybe just join other servers for now..
04:31:46fordcars-----yeah it wouldbe better twomorrow I guess
04:32:22sam686all my computers is kindof quiet..
04:32:40fordcars-----I will be online twomorrow at like about 6 pm, ok?
04:32:41amgine123456my cpu is grinding now i hope mt computer dopesnt break
04:33:01fordcars-----mine has a loud fan
04:33:21sam686the only failed computer parts I had was hard disk..
04:33:36sam686I had one hard disk squeak or grind, then clicks when it died..
04:34:17amgine123456just wondering do you think beetpvens ninth sympony would make a better credits theme?
04:34:25amgine123456beetovens
04:34:53amgine123456i think it would
04:34:55sam686loud fan does not equal faster computer..
04:35:22amgine123456arg i got a blue screen of death
04:35:28amgine123456 had to come back
04:35:44sam686I had a windows 98 AMD k6 533 MHz that had very loud fans, and it much slower then my faster quieter Pentium D and i5 computers
04:36:25fordcars-----lol ok but loud fan : being caught awake VERY easy that is what i ment
04:36:30raptorthe 9th symphony doesn't really fit as well, I think
04:36:34raptorbut it's a great symphony
04:37:01fordcars-----are you putting beetoven as credit music!
04:37:06raptornonono
04:37:10raptorWagner :)
04:37:32fordcars-----ok lol
04:37:38sam686I also had a windows 95 laptop (very old) that had no fans, but had a loud hard disk..
04:37:52fordcars-----oh yes
04:37:55sam686(a 66 MHz cpu)
04:38:10fordcars-----wow
04:38:36raptorok, i'm heading to bed, i'm not sure where that render bug is yet...
04:38:48sam686render a bug?
04:38:54raptorthe double render
04:39:14amgine123456ok
04:39:15sam686render 2 bugs?
04:39:27raptoryeah, contrails, cloak, chat
04:39:45raptorwhatever- all of it
04:39:49sam686i also need to get to sleep
04:39:55raptorok, good night all!
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04:40:15fordcars-----by the way I still have that right-click bug on my laptop
04:40:26fordcars-----Good night!
04:40:35sam686night
04:40:40amgine123456sam want to do this dungen with me?
04:41:19sam686i don't have time, i need to get to sleep.. a quick food and will get to sleep in 5 minutes..
04:41:57fordcars-----me too but will see ya twomorrow at 6 pm
04:42:54amgine123456ok bye guys/girls
04:43:08sam686bye
04:43:17sam686 has left
04:43:29fordcars-----bye!
04:44:44fordcars-----yeah I have to go to bed now I see my keyboard that has only Ws (so tired_
04:45:28fordcars-----c ya
04:45:37fordcars-----ciao
04:49:23amgine123456ciao
04:49:30amgine123456ardivaerchi
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15:08:33raptorbuenos!
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18:00:47raptorhi Watusimoto
18:01:28raptorwe found some weird rendering bug last night - many things seem to be double-rendered
18:02:01raptorside-effects include message text dimming with different backgrounds, and seeing cloaked ships with the scoreboard background
18:02:18raptoralso the missing ship contrails may be related
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19:59:07Watusimotohi
19:59:14raptorhello
19:59:19Watusimotocould those problems be at all related to scripting?
19:59:37Watusimotoor even using scripts to put items into the editor?
19:59:52raptoruh, they happen on every level
20:00:07Watusimotogood. ?
20:00:19raptorthe render problems?
20:00:22raptorare bad..
20:02:05raptori'll do a bisect to find the approx. range of when they were introduced..
20:03:27raptorhmmm... looks like the contrails issue is different
20:07:23raptorok... the rendering issues goes waay back, but the ship contrails broke since yesterday
20:07:36raptori mean, with yesterday's commits... somewhere
20:09:58Watusimotowhat's wrong with the contrails? or is it obvious?
20:10:19raptorthey are gone
20:10:45Watusimotowill check
20:12:52Watusimotoconfirmed
20:13:07Watusimotowill take a look -- probably something in the intializer got mucked up
20:15:04raptoroh man... the render problems go back a long way... i have 8 bisects to go to find it..
20:17:34LordDVG Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
20:18:06Watusimotoreally
20:18:07Watusimotowow
20:35:10raptor1 bisect left...
20:36:26raptorfound it
20:36:49raptorhere is the commit that started the double rendering: https://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/source/detail?r=fb5d5396e44f
20:37:23raptorlet me add that to the bug list, then i have to go to work..
20:38:57raptorok, be back later..
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21:12:44raptorback!
21:18:12Fordcarsyay
21:21:49raptorYou know what the best part about UDP jokes is? I don't care if you get it or not
21:22:46FordcarsLOL
21:30:15FordcarsIf it weren't for C, we'd all be programming in BASI and OBO
21:30:30raptorhar har
21:30:58FordcarsBREAKFAST.COM Halted...Cereal Port Not Responding
21:31:32FordcarsHelpdesk : Sir, you need to add 10GB space to your HD , Customer : Could you please tell where I can download that?
21:31:34Fordcarslol
21:54:41raptorWatusimoto: does TNL use any TCP components at all?
21:55:10raptorand is the RPCGuaranteed over UDP basically a custom TCP-ish wrapper?
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22:01:54amgine123456hello there
22:01:59amgine123456 well im here
22:02:44koda has joined
22:05:15amgine123456say hi if your aknowolaginh im here
22:05:29FordcarsAnyway going to eat will be back soon
22:05:31Fordcarsbye!
22:05:36Fordcars Quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)
22:10:25amgine123456so whats going on
22:37:58Fordcars has joined
22:38:04Fordcarshello
22:41:37Fordcarssurprise
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23:34:22raptorWatusimoto: if you've done any work on those bugs, please let me know before you fall asleep :) (then I can work on them later, or not)
23:58:02Watusimotojust woke up
23:58:10Watusimototnl uses no tcp
23:58:11raptorgood morning!
23:58:14amgine123456*zzzz*
23:58:18Watusimotoand I made 0 porgress on bugs
23:58:20Watusimotogood night
23:58:24raptorgood night!

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