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| 00:01:24 | Watusimoto | ok, so the length in the length/andgle mode is being sent as a low resolution U32 rather than an F32. this probably accounts for some of the problem |
| 00:01:35 | Watusimoto | making it a high resolution F32 helps a fair bit |
| 00:01:49 | Watusimoto | let me try a low resolution F32 with no more bits than we used for the U32 |
| 00:04:20 | Watusimoto | haven't done that yet, but the speed at which the transition occurs from angle/len to x/y is actually pretty fast, close to the speed of the ship |
| 00:04:49 | Watusimoto | so this isn;t just a super slow issue, though it is more noticable at slow speeds because updates are sent much less frequently |
| 00:05:18 | Watusimoto | so errors haev a longer time to accumulate, and your eye can see what's going on with a slow object easier than a faster one bouncing around the screen |
| 00:07:05 | Watusimoto | going to log the magnitude of the diff between sending length as a integer and it's true value |
| 00:09:11 | Watusimoto | at lowish speeds, these values are typical |
| 00:09:13 | Watusimoto | -0.500000 |
| 00:09:13 | Watusimoto | -0.500000 |
| 00:09:13 | Watusimoto | -0.127739 |
| 00:09:13 | Watusimoto | -0.109947 |
| 00:09:13 | Watusimoto | -0.149284 |
| 00:09:13 | Watusimoto | -0.590874 |
| 00:09:15 | Watusimoto | -0.947289 |
| 00:09:17 | Watusimoto | -0.590874 |
| 00:09:19 | Watusimoto | -0.947289 |
| 00:09:22 | Watusimoto | -0.590874 |
| 00:09:24 | Watusimoto | -0.947289 |
| 00:09:30 | Watusimoto | I never saw it rise above 1 |
| 00:09:33 | Watusimoto | so the differences are not huge |
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| 00:11:46 | Watusimoto | all the action I was looking at was in BfObject::writeCompressedVelocity |
| 00:11:54 | Watusimoto | so where does this leave us? |
| 00:12:30 | Watusimoto | I understand how velociy is compressed and sent now, and why things skip at very low speeds, but have no idea if this is the issue that raptor has described |
| 00:13:54 | Watusimoto | now this is odd... I can now trap a testitem by letting it drift by me and being just barely in the way. The testitem will start moving back and forth past my ship as if on a rubber band |
| 00:14:07 | Watusimoto | this has to be new behavior... but all my checkins were comments only |
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| 00:35:29 | raptor | hello |
| 00:35:38 | raptor | i just ripped my finger |
| 00:37:24 | raptor | been a while since i've been in shock enough to bring me to the floor... |
| 00:42:32 | raptor | i just have to say that ligaments look really cool on the inside... a bit bloody though |
| 00:42:50 | raptor | oh and that super glue is a miracle invention |
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| 01:07:06 | Watusimoto | ah... are you ok? |
| 01:08:31 | Watusimoto | ok, I need to get to bed. I hope your finger is ok. A doctor visit might not be too out of line. |
| 01:08:49 | raptor | night |
| 01:08:54 | Watusimoto | and on a more droll subject, when you get a chance, look at the chat history and read the novella I posted |
| 01:09:03 | raptor | reading now :) |
| 01:09:05 | Watusimoto | about compressed velocity |
| 01:09:07 | Watusimoto | ok |
| 01:09:12 | Watusimoto | take care of your finger' |
| 01:09:24 | raptor | superglue + brace |
| 01:09:35 | raptor | just what a doctor would order... minus $300 |
| 01:09:38 | Watusimoto | antibiotic onintment? |
| 01:09:52 | raptor | uhh... not with a skin rip this big... |
| 01:09:55 | Watusimoto | a deep infection would suck |
| 01:10:07 | Watusimoto | maybe the blood will wash it clean |
| 01:10:15 | raptor | i'll have to do ointment once the superglue does it's job |
| 01:10:18 | Watusimoto | how did you do it> |
| 01:10:41 | raptor | i walked passed someone and got my finder caught on their shirt |
| 01:10:50 | Watusimoto | what?!? |
| 01:11:00 | Watusimoto | what kind of shirt were they wearing? sheet metal? |
| 01:11:17 | raptor | it was the speed |
| 01:11:24 | Watusimoto | a rasor blade vest? |
| 01:11:32 | raptor | it dislocated the top join in my left pinky which ripped the skin wide open |
| 01:11:35 | Watusimoto | 75mp?h |
| 01:11:59 | Watusimoto | so a tear, not a cut |
| 01:12:03 | raptor | yeah... |
| 01:12:05 | raptor | sigh |
| 01:12:11 | Watusimoto | ouch |
| 01:12:18 | amgine1234567890 | hey |
| 01:12:27 | raptor | i almost blacked out when i took a good deep look into the wound |
| 01:12:33 | raptor | so cool.. and weird... |
| 01:12:38 | Watusimoto | indeed |
| 01:12:46 | Watusimoto | and bloody |
| 01:12:57 | raptor | oh man yes |
| 01:13:13 | raptor | so i'll have a hard time hitting left shift for a while... |
| 01:13:30 | Watusimoto | well... I hope it feels better tomorrow |
| 01:13:35 | raptor | thanks! |
| 01:13:45 | Watusimoto | ok, good night |
| 01:13:48 | raptor | night! |
| 01:13:50 | raptor | hi amgine1234567890 |
| 01:13:57 | Watusimoto | bye amgine1234567890 |
| 01:14:49 | amgine1234567890 | anything new? |
| 01:15:19 | raptor | amgine1234567890: not too much - we've fixed a few bugs from yesterday |
| 01:17:01 | raptor | when was the last build you got amgine1234567890? |
| 01:18:22 | raptor | Watusimoto: if you're still up - i've seen that testitem behavior, too |
| 01:18:30 | raptor | i counted it as part of the same problem |
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| 01:18:56 | raptor | it's as though there is a serious miscalc between client/server somewhere |
| 01:19:05 | raptor | aaaaand... good bye |
| 01:25:24 | amgine1234567890 | the last one i got was the one sam gave me it maybe out of date now |
| 01:25:34 | amgine1234567890 | the one tat i used to do the bot testing |
| 02:21:05 | raptor | let me see how far back that was... |
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| 02:58:35 | raptor | where's koda when i need him.. |
| 03:01:41 | raptor | sam686: when you get a chance, can you please ssh into the master server? i think it was compromised earlier today and i'm doing an audit |
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| 03:15:40 | raptor | looks like they hijacked the crontab |
| 03:39:07 | raptor | the ssh daemon was compromised! |
| 03:39:13 | raptor | sneaky.. |
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| 03:59:00 | raptor | ok, that was tough... i have the ssh software reverted |
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| 07:49:29 | raptor | ok, i think i got it all |
| 07:49:46 | raptor | our database passwords are still compromised, though - i'll change them tomorrow |
| 07:49:48 | raptor | zzzzzzzz |
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| 16:07:39 | raptor | good moening! |
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| 16:12:49 | raptor | yeah so last night was crazy, trying to rid the system of the various infections |
| 16:21:35 | raptor | all right, i disabled password authentication for now - if you want access, you'll have to send me your public key (for now) |
| 16:24:29 | watusimoto | ok |
| 16:24:34 | raptor | but i think |
| 16:24:39 | watusimoto | I'll have to generate one at home |
| 16:24:43 | raptor | we need to not use centos 5 |
| 16:24:54 | watusimoto | there are other options |
| 16:24:58 | raptor | i don't know how to stop web vectors |
| 16:25:03 | raptor | like a php exploit |
| 16:25:12 | watusimoto | I don;t think you can |
| 16:25:20 | watusimoto | you can only keep your php install up to date |
| 16:25:34 | watusimoto | and hope the devs know what they are doing |
| 16:25:39 | raptor | yeah, everything is up to date... |
| 16:25:56 | watusimoto | could be php; drupal; phpbb; mediawiki |
| 16:26:20 | watusimoto | is our database available externally? |
| 16:26:27 | raptor | i bet it happened like this: php -> priveledge escalation in kernel -> password scan |
| 16:26:27 | watusimoto | could be mysql |
| 16:26:38 | raptor | i had the firewall block mysql |
| 16:26:40 | watusimoto | where is the master pw stored? |
| 16:26:49 | raptor | but it was wide open last night... |
| 16:27:04 | raptor | which master password? |
| 16:27:09 | watusimoto | they clearly new the pw to account master |
| 16:27:14 | watusimoto | where did they get that? |
| 16:27:21 | watusimoto | from code scan? |
| 16:27:24 | raptor | no |
| 16:27:32 | raptor | guessed it - it was one of my mistakes |
| 16:27:37 | watusimoto | what was it? |
| 16:27:39 | watusimoto | master |
| 16:27:40 | watusimoto | ? |
| 16:27:42 | raptor | yes |
| 16:27:53 | raptor | but i had disallowed ssh for that user |
| 16:28:07 | watusimoto | so thye must have had access to another account to get to master |
| 16:28:11 | raptor | or |
| 16:28:34 | watusimoto | how would they have even known there was an account called master? |
| 16:28:47 | raptor | this is what really happened: once they got in, they adjusted the sshd_config to allow ssh from any user |
| 16:29:03 | watusimoto | they would need root to do that,no? |
| 16:29:12 | raptor | that's why i think it was a php exploit -> privilege escalation |
| 16:29:22 | watusimoto | but php is not running as root |
| 16:29:42 | raptor | privilege escalation = kernel bug that allows a normal user to perform root actions |
| 16:30:10 | raptor | i think that they escalated their permissions to edit some root files (happened on Oct 16) |
| 16:30:23 | watusimoto | ok, kernel bug was the missing bit |
| 16:30:32 | raptor | once the sshd daemon was open from the adjusted config |
| 16:30:39 | raptor | they came in via the master user |
| 16:30:54 | raptor | so - i think we had been hit by more than one rootkit |
| 16:30:55 | watusimoto | why did they pick master? because of the easily guessed pw? |
| 16:31:28 | raptor | yes - after they altered the ssh and firewall config, they could once again try as many users/passwords on the ssh daemon they wanted |
| 16:31:41 | watusimoto | maybe they got in, looked at /etc/passwd, then started attacking the user accounts, and master fell first |
| 16:32:17 | watusimoto | ah, so the ssh config let you try infinite logins |
| 16:32:26 | raptor | after it was changed, yes |
| 16:32:31 | watusimoto | I mean the altered one |
| 16:32:33 | watusimoto | ok |
| 16:32:49 | watusimoto | my presumption is that this whole thing is completely incidental to bitfighter |
| 16:32:54 | raptor | it is |
| 16:32:59 | raptor | it was a drive by |
| 16:33:03 | watusimoto | that our server was just one of many that had a particular weakness that was exploited |
| 16:33:08 | raptor | yep |
| 16:33:18 | watusimoto | to launch attacks on the pentagon and cia and such |
| 16:33:25 | raptor | hah |
| 16:33:49 | raptor | ideally, i would want to install openSUSE or some distro that allows a full distro upgrade |
| 16:33:50 | watusimoto | how much of the attack do you think was manual? it wasn't completely automated, do you think? |
| 16:33:58 | raptor | completely automated |
| 16:34:04 | raptor | very sophisticated |
| 16:34:17 | raptor | i save several fingerprint scripts you may want to take a look at for fun |
| 16:34:20 | raptor | *saved |
| 16:34:23 | watusimoto | maybe I should get one of these, then we can have bf servers everywhere |
| 16:34:29 | raptor | haha |
| 16:35:00 | raptor | one of the first things the attack does is turn off system logging - so i couldn't track it |
| 16:35:25 | watusimoto | that's the obvious first thing |
| 16:37:52 | raptor | want to see some of the files i recovered? |
| 16:38:05 | watusimoto | sure |
| 16:38:18 | watusimoto | I'm looking for my ctrl panel account to see what our os options are |
| 16:39:08 | raptor | would they allow our own VM image (XEN or whatever)? |
| 16:39:17 | watusimoto | probably not |
| 16:39:20 | watusimoto | there are lots of options though |
| 16:39:39 | raptor | ok, you have to check these out: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/named.hacked.do_not_run_only_open.tar.gz |
| 16:39:51 | raptor | specifically look at the log files that were kept |
| 16:39:56 | raptor | that is the password scraper |
| 16:39:59 | raptor | that was used |
| 16:40:22 | raptor | i didn't find any other useful scripts on the system, but i did find several malicious binaries |
| 16:40:34 | raptor | which i doubt i could decompile and understand |
| 16:41:09 | watusimoto | how about our forums logings/player pws? |
| 16:41:45 | raptor | i don't know - they got a couple of database passwords, so conceivably they could scrape the password hashes from the forums |
| 16:41:57 | raptor | if they were salted, then we're OK |
| 16:42:14 | watusimoto | probably were |
| 16:43:13 | raptor | looks like phpbb was salted |
| 16:44:12 | watusimoto | good |
| 16:45:00 | watusimoto | arch |
| 16:45:02 | watusimoto | centos |
| 16:45:04 | watusimoto | debian |
| 16:45:11 | watusimoto | fedora |
| 16:45:13 | watusimoto | slackware |
| 16:45:21 | watusimoto | and ubuntu |
| 16:45:27 | raptor | hmmm |
| 16:45:29 | watusimoto | those are our general options |
| 16:45:44 | watusimoto | I think (looking at a differnt vps ctrl panel at same company) |
| 16:46:18 | raptor | do you have VM snapshotting available? |
| 16:47:07 | watusimoto | no |
| 16:48:17 | raptor | ideally we'd use a distro that allows distro-upgrade |
| 16:48:23 | raptor | reliably... |
| 16:48:30 | watusimoto | you mean like ubuntu? |
| 16:48:39 | raptor | maybe... |
| 16:48:44 | watusimoto | distro upgrade == everything at once? |
| 16:48:47 | raptor | yes |
| 16:48:57 | raptor | that way once a year or so we could update the system |
| 16:49:04 | watusimoto | rather than apt-get update or whatever |
| 16:49:22 | raptor | distro upgrade = ubunto 12.04 -> 12.10 |
| 16:49:32 | raptor | so full base system update |
| 16:49:46 | watusimoto | how is that different than updating all the packages? apt-get won't update kernel? |
| 16:50:07 | raptor | it will, but only to the kernel version for that distro |
| 16:50:16 | raptor | if say it is using kernel 3.4 it'll stay on that |
| 16:50:24 | watusimoto | ok |
| 16:50:25 | raptor | but if the next distro version is using 3.6 |
| 16:52:54 | raptor | distro-upgrade bring the baseline packages to the new distribution level |
| 16:54:41 | raptor | right now we're running an old version of apache and sshd, which might be other holes.. |
| 16:55:41 | watusimoto | well, those should be easily updatable with yum |
| 16:55:49 | watusimoto | (or whatever) |
| 16:56:01 | raptor | actually - i wonder if centos 5 -> 6 can be done... |
| 16:56:18 | raptor | yum updates them only at the same version level + patches |
| 16:56:26 | raptor | usually |
| 16:56:30 | watusimoto | we should probably pull all our data off and reinstall the server clean |
| 16:56:44 | raptor | yes |
| 16:57:07 | raptor | i think i got all the fils on the filesystem, but i have no idea about the database |
| 16:57:07 | watusimoto | so centos5 to 6 isn't that important; we just reinstall 6 if that's what we want |
| 16:57:14 | raptor | is 6 available? |
| 16:57:27 | watusimoto | I think so |
| 16:57:30 | watusimoto | let me check |
| 16:57:58 | watusimoto | yes |
| 16:58:04 | watusimoto | 64 bit only |
| 16:58:13 | raptor | hmmm |
| 16:58:15 | watusimoto | wait, 32 bit also |
| 16:58:15 | raptor | ok |
| 16:58:41 | watusimoto | sorted oddly, with c6 at the top and bottom, with a dozen or so c5 variants in between |
| 17:00:20 | raptor | hmmm |
| 17:04:32 | raptor | ok, found more files to clean up... |
| 17:04:46 | watusimoto | wow |
| 17:04:58 | raptor | aaaand.. more malicious binaries... |
| 17:05:02 | raptor | we need to update... |
| 17:05:05 | raptor | sigh |
| 17:05:05 | watusimoto | yes |
| 17:05:07 | watusimoto | we do |
| 17:05:57 | watusimoto | so grab data -> reinstall os -> reinstall phpbb3/mysql/wiki/etc. -> replace data? |
| 17:06:23 | raptor | yeah.... i'm not sure how to keep uptime though.. can you start a new instance separately? |
| 17:06:51 | watusimoto | and in this case data = bitfighter configs, database dump, ??? |
| 17:07:05 | raptor | various scripts, logbot |
| 17:07:09 | raptor | config settings |
| 17:07:14 | watusimoto | how much downtime are we talking do you think? the os reinstall goes quickly... 1-2 mins |
| 17:07:52 | watusimoto | if we did it at this time of day, there's no one on, so I think it would be ok |
| 17:08:13 | raptor | i'm not sure - i need to do schoolwork today, though.. |
| 17:08:18 | watusimoto | yes |
| 17:08:29 | watusimoto | I'm not saying right now |
| 17:09:30 | watusimoto | I do have another vps that is sitting idle |
| 17:09:56 | watusimoto | we could use that as a staging area if needed |
| 17:10:13 | raptor | it'd be nice if we could migrate entire VMs |
| 17:10:18 | watusimoto | yes |
| 17:10:22 | raptor | but i bet that is premium service.. |
| 17:10:24 | watusimoto | that would be perfect |
| 17:10:26 | watusimoto | yes |
| 17:10:59 | raptor | oh yay, this time rkhunter returned 0 rootkits |
| 17:14:59 | watusimoto | yeah I think no migration or cloning is available to us |
| 17:15:11 | raptor | ok i regenerated ssh host keys... |
| 17:15:30 | watusimoto | so should I start using ssh keys for accessing bf.org? |
| 17:16:09 | raptor | yes, if you sent me your public key, i'll add it to your authorized keys file |
| 17:19:24 | watusimoto | I will tonight |
| 17:19:37 | watusimoto | I need to lookup how to generate them again... |
| 17:20:10 | watusimoto | it's just painful enough to do that I usually postpone doing so, and thus defer enjoying the benefits |
| 17:20:15 | raptor | they are already generated |
| 17:20:25 | raptor | if you've ssh'd from a particular machine |
| 17:20:45 | raptor | well, i can reenable user logins |
| 17:20:51 | raptor | it probably isn't too risky actually |
| 17:21:47 | watusimoto | at the moment I don't need to login |
| 17:22:45 | raptor | i changed it back anyways - it wasn't giving much more protection |
| 17:23:20 | raptor | unless the ssh binary was hacked, then it'll scrape the password.. |
| 17:23:29 | raptor | but i changed yours and sam686's anyways.. |
| 17:24:22 | watusimoto | I thought you said the ssh binary was hacked |
| 17:24:32 | raptor | i have already restore it |
| 17:24:38 | watusimoto | ah |
| 17:24:40 | watusimoto | ok |
| 17:24:46 | watusimoto | well, good job, sir! |
| 17:24:48 | raptor | was one of the first things i did last night |
| 17:24:54 | raptor | but i should have generated new keys then, too.. |
| 17:25:09 | watusimoto | are your private keys comprimised by this? |
| 17:25:19 | raptor | not mine, but the server's yes |
| 17:25:32 | watusimoto | ah, for the server connecting to other servers? |
| 17:25:36 | raptor | no |
| 17:25:47 | raptor | for anyone connecting to the server |
| 17:25:47 | watusimoto | because it doesn';t do that |
| 17:25:54 | watusimoto | or at least didn't before we were hacked :-) |
| 17:25:58 | raptor | heh, yep |
| 17:26:04 | raptor | but i regenerated the keys |
| 17:26:32 | watusimoto | so I generate a key, and login to the server. server gets hacked, and I login in again. Do I need to regen my key? |
| 17:26:38 | raptor | no |
| 17:26:59 | watusimoto | because only teh public half is on the server |
| 17:27:03 | raptor | correct |
| 17:27:06 | watusimoto | ok |
| 17:27:26 | raptor | unless the key is 512 bit or less - then the private part can be brute forced |
| 17:27:41 | raptor | but those keys haven't been used for a decade |
| 17:27:54 | raptor | except with some big name websites... :) |
| 17:27:55 | watusimoto | I always go high bit count |
| 17:27:59 | watusimoto | :-) |
| 17:28:03 | watusimoto | like bitfighter.org |
| 17:28:07 | raptor | haha |
| 17:28:24 | watusimoto | maybe we can do a press release about being hacked and get some publicity |
| 17:28:32 | raptor | yeah! |
| 17:28:41 | raptor | pre-release 018 hack! |
| 17:28:55 | watusimoto | awesome! |
| 17:30:22 | raptor | i wonder: can you set up an interim VM on your VPS account, if your previous one was hacked? like does the company have provision for that? |
| 17:31:11 | watusimoto | I doubt it |
| 17:31:19 | raptor | no cloning abilities, huh? |
| 17:31:19 | watusimoto | at $3.95 I think you are on your own |
| 17:31:24 | watusimoto | I saw none |
| 17:31:25 | raptor | haha |
| 17:31:27 | raptor | ok |
| 17:31:28 | watusimoto | and neither did google |
| 17:31:35 | raptor | well |
| 17:31:50 | raptor | i'll start archiving data later, to copy off |
| 17:31:58 | raptor | i need to go do some studying now |
| 17:32:01 | watusimoto | go for it |
| 17:32:26 | watusimoto | maybe I could create a data inventory page in the wiki to act as a checklist |
| 17:32:38 | raptor | you should look at the logs/php.txt in that archive i sent you above to see what passwords they got.. |
| 17:32:41 | watusimoto | so we can all see what we've forgontten |
| 17:32:45 | watusimoto | I did |
| 17:32:52 | raptor | oh good |
| 17:33:00 | raptor | smart scraping script |
| 17:34:11 | raptor | ok, talk to you later |
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| 19:05:43 | Watusimoto | raptor: can bitfighter play .xm audio files? |
| 19:05:53 | raptor | yes! |
| 19:06:00 | Watusimoto | good |
| 19:06:02 | raptor | oh hey - i'm logged in |
| 19:07:56 | Watusimoto | school work! |
| 19:09:03 | Watusimoto | .xm files play great |
| 19:09:22 | Watusimoto | once you know where to put them |
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| 20:29:19 | iKoda | Xm? |
| 20:29:30 | raptor | module files |
| 20:29:36 | raptor | .ike .s3m .mod .it |
| 20:29:42 | raptor | *like |
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| 21:40:48 | raptor | hi again |
| 21:59:48 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 22:00:22 | | BFLogBot Commit: 24eb60a69c48 | Author: watusimoto | Message: New menu music |
| 22:00:23 | raptor | hi |
| 22:00:27 | raptor | oooo music! |
| 22:01:13 | Watusimoto | it's a bit of a departure |
| 22:02:01 | raptor | i love it! |
| 22:02:09 | Watusimoto | really??? |
| 22:02:21 | raptor | yeah - puts my brain into outer space |
| 22:02:52 | raptor | but i guess - it's not very FPS-like... |
| 22:03:29 | Watusimoto | we're not a fps |
| 22:03:38 | raptor | we're not!? |
| 22:03:58 | raptor | oh sorry - 2nd-person shooter? |
| 22:04:42 | raptor | it transitions well from any other music |
| 22:05:21 | raptor | i am contemplating the mysteries of the universe with this music... |
| 22:11:17 | Watusimoto | how does it blend with the credits music :-) |
| 22:11:26 | raptor | works well |
| 22:11:37 | Watusimoto | fps is where you have a gun in the center of yur screen |
| 22:11:50 | raptor | yeah - i forgot about the 'first' part of FPS |
| 22:14:39 | Watusimoto | what do you think about my novella last night? |
| 22:14:54 | Watusimoto | does that explain the testitem glitches you saw? |
| 22:15:08 | raptor | it increased my understanding of the system |
| 22:15:21 | raptor | i responded... but you logged off, let me see what i said again.. |
| 22:15:45 | raptor | i said: |
| 22:15:54 | raptor | [1:18:22] <raptor> Watusimoto: if you're still up - i've seen that testitem behavior, too |
| 22:15:55 | raptor | [1:18:30] <raptor> i counted it as part of the same problem |
| 22:16:02 | raptor | [1:18:56] <raptor> it's as though there is a serious miscalc between client/server somewhere |
| 22:16:16 | Watusimoto | ok |
| 22:16:17 | raptor | speaking of your 'stuck' testitem |
| 22:17:01 | raptor | it makes me think that the server is doing an extra calculation that the client isn't |
| 22:18:29 | Watusimoto | well, one thing I learned is that inserting playboop makes an awesome debug tool |
| 22:18:41 | Watusimoto | because the game flows, and you get a clear signal that soemthing has happened |
| 22:18:54 | Watusimoto | I couldn't have got my understanding with a breakpoint |
| 22:19:05 | raptor | i killed the forums temporarily... |
| 22:19:07 | raptor | argh |
| 22:19:13 | Watusimoto | super! |
| 22:21:56 | Watusimoto | we want new game music? |
| 22:22:17 | raptor | forums fixed... phoew |
| 22:22:20 | raptor | sure! |
| 22:31:50 | raptor | looks like they only scraped the phpbb and mailinglist passwords.. |
| 22:32:00 | raptor | but not guaranteed, of course |
| 22:36:52 | Watusimoto | probably scraped what they had a scraper for |
| 22:53:09 | Watusimoto | how much music should we add? |
| 22:54:32 | raptor | not sure, more than 1 song, i think - people are tired of the that old one |
| 22:55:12 | Watusimoto | I've got 6 new ones so far |
| 22:56:26 | raptor | really? |
| 22:56:28 | raptor | that's great |
| 22:58:36 | Watusimoto | raptor: 7 |
| 22:58:43 | raptor | oh boy oh boy |
| 22:59:01 | raptor | modules opened up the world? |
| 22:59:06 | Watusimoto | we'll have a nice hefty download |
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| 23:14:18 | Watusimoto | ok 10 tracks |
| 23:14:26 | raptor | size? |
| 23:14:28 | Watusimoto | and I've had enough |
| 23:14:46 | Watusimoto | total 9.78MB uncompressed |
| 23:14:54 | raptor | wow |
| 23:15:00 | Watusimoto | they'll shrink a bit |
| 23:15:04 | raptor | should we filter them down? |
| 23:15:05 | Watusimoto | when compressed |
| 23:15:13 | Watusimoto | they're all xm files |
| 23:15:20 | Watusimoto | so I don;t know how compressed they already are |
| 23:15:30 | Watusimoto | or rather don;t knwo if we'd do much better |
| 23:15:36 | Watusimoto | I don;t know the format |
| 23:15:48 | Watusimoto | all but 3 are < 1MB |
| 23:16:23 | raptor | trackers can compress some, but not down-convert |
| 23:16:59 | Watusimoto | these are real tracks. the biggest > 5mins |
| 23:17:16 | Watusimoto | all fit together well too |
| 23:17:41 | Watusimoto | so before I add these to the archive, I should upload them somewhere to see if you and sam686 like them |
| 23:18:20 | raptor | ok, put them here: http://sam6.25u.com/upload3.php |
| 23:20:57 | Watusimoto | 4.5mb in a zip file |
| 23:21:47 | raptor | that's roughly the size they will add to the installer |
| 23:22:10 | Watusimoto | I used hightest zip level, so maybe a tad bigger |
| 23:22:58 | Watusimoto | we need to work out a music download system for future versions |
| 23:23:16 | Watusimoto | sam686: raptor: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/music.zip |
| 23:23:24 | Watusimoto | unzip into game music folder |
| 23:23:39 | Watusimoto | so while I was choosing songs, I tested some stuff in 017b |
| 23:23:48 | Watusimoto | at least some fo the testitem glitches happened there too |
| 23:24:03 | Watusimoto | so I think I'll take it off the list for now |
| 23:24:09 | raptor | ok |
| 23:24:52 | Watusimoto | if you can figure out how to reproduce, put it back on |
| 23:24:57 | raptor | ah, the dreams |
| 23:25:07 | Watusimoto | but we need to be clearing the list, so ambiguous items need to go |
| 23:25:20 | Watusimoto | you've probably heard one or two of these |
| 23:25:57 | Watusimoto | I think they;re all pretty good, especially if you are focusing on game instead of music |
| 23:27:08 | raptor | LZMA gets the compression to 3.2MB |
| 23:27:22 | raptor | i like this one |
| 23:27:32 | raptor | allt jag vill |
| 23:28:02 | raptor | i thin it fits better than 'dreams' |
| 23:28:05 | raptor | *think |
| 23:31:15 | raptor | lots to listen to... |
| 23:31:19 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 23:31:28 | Watusimoto | better to do it while doing something else |
| 23:31:42 | raptor | 'adr' seems a little quiet |
| 23:32:19 | Watusimoto | as in volume or style |
| 23:32:30 | raptor | volume |
| 23:32:44 | raptor | on to 'invisible'.. |
| 23:34:10 | raptor | say, did you want to include some of that music from that crazy car crash rally game your kids like? |
| 23:34:21 | raptor | don't remember the name of the game.. |
| 23:37:04 | raptor | 'kick the beat' is definitely FPS material |
| 23:37:13 | Watusimoto | need for madness |
| 23:38:01 | raptor | brb |
| 23:38:06 | Watusimoto | I'm inclined to go with only stuff from this dude for now, then later, when we let people assign music to levels, open it up a bit |
| 23:41:22 | raptor | ok |
| 23:41:41 | raptor | are all of these from the same guy? |
| 23:42:07 | raptor | huh, i guess so |
| 23:51:08 | amgine1234567890 | hi |
| 23:53:28 | Watusimoto | Credits Music by Chris Neal: |
| 23:53:28 | Watusimoto | credits.ogg Silhouette Strings - Basses http://www.looperman.com/loops/detail/55994 |
| 23:53:28 | Watusimoto | Game Music by Andreas Viklund: |
| 23:53:28 | Watusimoto | alt_jag_vill.xm Allt jag vill http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=34315 |
| 23:53:28 | Watusimoto | av_letme.xm Let me in http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=34322 |
| 23:53:29 | Watusimoto | av_invis.xm Invisible [TSEC] http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=34319 |
| 23:53:31 | Watusimoto | av_ktb.xm Kick the beat [TSEC] http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=34320 |
| 23:53:33 | Watusimoto | feelings.xm Feelings http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=41763 |
| 23:53:35 | Watusimoto | dreams.xm Dreams http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=40503 |
| 23:53:37 | Watusimoto | dreams3.xm Dreams 3 http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=40518 |
| 23:53:40 | Watusimoto | faraway.xm Faraway http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=41378 |
| 23:53:42 | Watusimoto | tsec-hot.xm History of Time http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=64378 |
| 23:53:44 | Watusimoto | av_adr.xm A.D.R (Lagoona rmx) http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=34314 |
| 23:53:48 | Watusimoto | from a txt file I put together to include in themusic folder |
| 23:54:07 | raptor | oh good |
| 23:54:28 | Watusimoto | so since they are all of a similar style, I think it creates a somewhat unified soundtrack effect |
| 23:54:37 | Watusimoto | without the tedium of 017b |
| 23:55:37 | raptor | heh |
| 23:55:48 | amgine1234567890 | whats going on |
| 23:55:55 | raptor | hi amgine1234567890 |
| 23:56:57 | amgine1234567890 | adding some music? |
| 23:57:08 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 23:57:32 | Watusimoto | I installed a tracker editing program, so I can probably adjust volume and such if need be |
| 23:57:54 | raptor | oh good |
| 23:58:14 | raptor | so far the only one that seems really soft was 'adr' |