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| 00:21:42 | amgine1234567890 | questin how would i open a file with 7 zip if its archived |
| 00:22:22 | CrazyLinuxNerd | with an archive manager |
| 00:23:05 | CrazyLinuxNerd | windows you can use 7zip or winrar :-) |
| 00:24:10 | amgine1234567890 | well i tired but i failed to open teh .rar so i guess its not my fault |
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| 00:34:40 | bobdaduck | um |
| 00:34:41 | bobdaduck | guys |
| 00:34:46 | bobdaduck | can someone fix the master server? |
| 00:35:23 | bobdaduck | I mean, holy crap. |
| 00:36:41 | bobdaduck | 999 ping lag spikes |
| 00:36:54 | bobdaduck | no way we can attract new members with the game at an unplayable level |
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| 01:03:00 | bobdaduck | Its been going on for like a month or two now. |
| 01:08:38 | CrazyLinuxNerd | well well, if it isn't bobdaduck :-O still around huh? |
| 01:11:46 | bobdaduck | I never left. |
| 01:11:55 | bobdaduck | Well, I might for a couple years after Januray |
| 01:11:59 | bobdaduck | But until then. |
| 01:12:17 | bobdaduck | But seriously, what's up with the master? Impossible to get a game going. |
| 01:12:59 | CrazyLinuxNerd | i got no idea :-) - was working last i checked, but tbh i haven't played on BF for a while, been kinda busy lately |
| 01:13:07 | CrazyLinuxNerd | good to see some old school members still around though |
| 01:13:21 | bobdaduck | Also does anyone know what font they use for in-game text? |
| 01:13:29 | bobdaduck | I'm making an ad |
| 01:13:33 | bobdaduck | and I want it to be consistent. |
| 01:13:49 | CrazyLinuxNerd | oh? you on a mission to promote BF? |
| 01:14:28 | bobdaduck | Yeah |
| 01:14:31 | bobdaduck | Check GD on forums |
| 01:14:41 | CrazyLinuxNerd | good luck, if you can make BF popular that'd be great :-) |
| 01:15:22 | bobdaduck | BUT ITS TOTALLY USELESS IF THE GAME DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE MASTER IS FRIGGIN' BROKEN |
| 01:15:42 | | CrazyLinuxNerd does not manage any of the BF servers.. lol |
| 01:16:03 | bobdaduck | yeah |
| 01:16:12 | bobdaduck | Someone contact wat |
| 01:16:14 | bobdaduck | or raptor |
| 01:16:16 | bobdaduck | BLARGGG |
| 01:17:17 | bobdaduck | WHAT ARE THEY DOING THAT THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS AT MY BECK AND CALL |
| 01:17:28 | CrazyLinuxNerd | relax man |
| 01:17:58 | bobdaduck | ASDOIFPJOGNPOQIHFESEDFLKJASFD; |
| 01:18:37 | CrazyLinuxNerd | spamming irc won't make them magically appear... |
| 01:18:44 | bobdaduck | HEY RAPTOR |
| 01:18:45 | bobdaduck | HEY |
| 01:18:47 | bobdaduck | WATUSIMOTO |
| 01:18:48 | bobdaduck | RAPTOR |
| 01:18:49 | bobdaduck | WAT |
| 01:18:50 | bobdaduck | RAP |
| 01:18:51 | bobdaduck | WAT |
| 01:18:54 | bobdaduck | HEY |
| 01:18:55 | bobdaduck | HEY |
| 01:18:56 | bobdaduck | YO |
| 01:19:01 | bobdaduck | :P |
| 01:19:19 | CrazyLinuxNerd | you know, they can't see any of this right as they are not in the channel... lol only one here is sam686.. but i think his busy |
| 01:19:36 | bobdaduck | He's pretty much always busy as far as I can tell. |
| 01:19:38 | bobdaduck | Oh well. |
| 01:20:01 | bobdaduck | This ad is coming along nicely, actually |
| 01:20:33 | CrazyLinuxNerd | oh? well hope it gets put somewhere it gets seen lol |
| 01:20:57 | bobdaduck | Yeah, I'll have to put out some actual money for it |
| 01:21:40 | CrazyLinuxNerd | .. well if that's what you really want to do.. you don't have to you know |
| 01:21:40 | bobdaduck | It'll be worth it to get players in |
| 01:21:54 | bobdaduck | BUT THEY WON'T STAY IF MASTER SERVER IS STILL LIKE THIS |
| 01:22:55 | bobdaduck | Think I'll get totally sued if I used the phrase "just action, no distraction" in the ad? |
| 01:26:53 | CrazyLinuxNerd | no idea |
| 01:26:54 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lol |
| 01:29:08 | bobdaduck | Well if wat or raptor show up yell at them a bit for me, alright? |
| 01:29:14 | bobdaduck | I'ma go do college things. |
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| 02:11:13 | | Topic is 'Bitfighter 017b released! | http://www.bitfighter.org/downloads' |
| 02:11:14 | | Set by raptor!~raptor@unaffiliated/greenmachine on Wed Jul 04 01:46:09 GMT 2012 |
| 02:11:14 | | -ChanServ- [#bitfighter] Welcome to #bitfighter. This is an IRC channel, many or all of the users may not be paying attention. Please have patience when waiting for a response. |
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| 03:42:34 | LoneWolfy | My phone irc keeps lagging out. |
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| 04:34:39 | raptor | all right bobdaduck, i saw your rant |
| 04:34:45 | raptor | and i need more info.. |
| 04:52:23 | sam686 | umm, now I just look at my bitfighter.ini and bitfighter_server.ini (on my sam test) i see thousands of "Server connecting to master [bitfighter.org:25955] Server connecting to master [IP:199.192.229.168:25955] " |
| 04:52:45 | raptor | what? |
| 04:53:04 | raptor | is it flooding it? |
| 04:53:24 | sam686 | looking at bitfighter_master.log (in bitfighter vps server) there are thousands of SERVER_DISCONNECT (without a name) in a row.. |
| 04:53:42 | raptor | is this from 017b servers? |
| 04:54:16 | sam686 | only bitfighter_master.log actually shows the dates (2012-11-30 Fri 04:06:25) |
| 04:54:24 | sam686 | yes this is my 017 server |
| 04:54:24 | raptor | looking.. |
| 04:55:16 | raptor | whoa |
| 04:58:38 | raptor | the logs on master don't say what server is disconnecting.. |
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| 05:04:15 | sam686 | that must mean it might have failed somewhere in MasterServerConnection::readConnectRequest returning false without fully initalizing the name... and the destructor always prints disconnect. |
| 05:04:40 | raptor | and it is coming from your server? |
| 05:05:16 | sam686 | it seem to be coming from all client/server trying to repeatedly connect at that time |
| 05:06:49 | sam686 | and when it ends, it looks like master just got restarted (seeing a "Bitfighter Master Server started") |
| 05:07:30 | raptor | is there some bad logic loop in a recent update? |
| 05:07:58 | sam686 | must have crashed - seeing nothing between 4:27:08 and master started at 5:10:58 |
| 05:08:33 | raptor | well, i restarted the master server about 3 hours ago |
| 05:08:39 | raptor | when bobdaduck complained.. |
| 05:08:41 | sam686 | don't know, there may be a bug.. somethere.. |
| 05:13:11 | raptor | when did it start? |
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| 05:36:16 | raptor | also sam686 you notice the server is above 500MB used ram? |
| 05:36:24 | bobdaduck | what? |
| 05:36:27 | bobdaduck | also sup |
| 05:36:30 | raptor | hi bobdaduck |
| 05:37:13 | raptor | the RAM usage is like that upon start-up |
| 05:37:19 | bobdaduck | I think I've completed an ad |
| 05:37:26 | bobdaduck | no idea how to get it working on someone's website |
| 05:37:29 | bobdaduck | but I have the image. |
| 05:37:40 | raptor | what would you like to do with it? |
| 05:38:34 | bobdaduck | Stick it on someone's website |
| 05:39:17 | bobdaduck | Problem is that nobody /knows/ about bitfighter. |
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| 05:39:49 | | Set by raptor!~raptor@unaffiliated/greenmachine on Wed Jul 04 01:46:09 GMT 2012 |
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| 05:39:57 | raptor | oh my goodneess the logbot is using 170MB |
| 05:40:16 | sam686 | whats eating most of RAM may be either: mysqld, java, or httpd.. |
| 05:40:21 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 05:40:48 | sam686 | logbot is using java so... maybe thats eating RAM. |
| 05:41:09 | raptor | nobody panic, i'm shutting down apache to see |
| 05:42:04 | bobdaduck | PANICING |
| 05:42:21 | raptor | apache was using 98MB |
| 05:43:00 | sam686 | apache httpd could be configured to use less RAM (by limiting process down to maybe 2) but that isn't what most of RAM is eaten my i guess.. |
| 05:45:21 | raptor | nobody panic, i'm shutting down the database |
| 05:45:32 | bobdaduck | PANICING |
| 05:45:59 | raptor | mysql was using 155 MB |
| 05:46:22 | sam686 | logbot? |
| 05:48:18 | sam686 | i am guessing it is a RAM eating java logbot, is it? |
| 05:48:31 | raptor | i'm using -Xms24m |
| 05:48:39 | raptor | oops -Xmx, i mean |
| 05:49:37 | sam686 | either way, it might be using far more RAM then you think it is using.. |
| 05:52:34 | sam686 | feel like killing the log bot and see how much RAM it frees? |
| 05:52:49 | raptor | ok, will do again |
| 05:52:57 | raptor | !logbot |
| 05:53:00 | raptor | !bot |
| 05:53:00 | BFLogBot | I'm a real boy! |
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| 05:53:51 | sam686 | 559816 used RAM with logbot on, 284512 used RAM without logbot |
| 05:53:57 | raptor | it was using 270, that time |
| 05:54:03 | raptor | that is crazy! |
| 05:54:15 | raptor | it was only at about 20MB on the previous server |
| 05:54:33 | sam686 | the previous server was 32-bit, the server we using now is 64 bit... |
| 05:55:46 | raptor | trying something.. |
| 05:55:48 | sam686 | comparing RAM usage between 32 bit and 64 bit should at the most only be 1.2 to 2.0 times more RAM usage, not go 10 time more.. |
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| 05:56:14 | | Set by raptor!~raptor@unaffiliated/greenmachine on Wed Jul 04 01:46:09 GMT 2012 |
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| 05:56:15 | bobdaduck | http://bitfighter.org/forums/download/file.php?id=185&mode=view |
| 05:57:04 | sam686 | RAM hogging 64 bit java, i guess.. |
| 05:57:11 | raptor | that's crazy.. |
| 05:58:37 | sam686 | i think such bitfighter banner put in on other websites looks too dark when everything else is white with black text.. |
| 05:58:47 | raptor | bobdaduck: looks good! |
| 05:58:58 | bobdaduck | Give it a border and "Completely Free!"? |
| 06:00:30 | bobdaduck | Should I? |
| 06:02:47 | raptor | i'm not a very good marketing guy... |
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| 06:03:46 | | Topic is 'Bitfighter 017b released! | http://www.bitfighter.org/downloads' |
| 06:03:46 | | Set by raptor!~raptor@unaffiliated/greenmachine on Wed Jul 04 01:46:09 GMT 2012 |
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| 06:03:57 | bobdaduck | Not like I'm a marketting expert myself. |
| 06:04:02 | raptor | logbot you're letting me down! |
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| 06:05:00 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 06:05:03 | sam686 | time to convert BFLogBot to C++? |
| 06:05:19 | raptor | blech |
| 06:05:41 | raptor | i made some nifty threads that would be horrible in c++.. |
| 06:05:42 | sam686 | or search for a possible solution http://www.google.com/search?q=java+uses+too+much+RAM+64+bit+linux+fix |
| 06:05:59 | raptor | yeah, i've gone through the first 10 links on several searches like that.. |
| 06:06:01 | raptor | already |
| 06:06:19 | bobdaduck | Who's koda? |
| 06:06:41 | koda | dreams eater |
| 06:06:50 | raptor | koda: sleep walking? |
| 06:07:14 | koda | nah, just early wake up |
| 06:07:32 | raptor | koda has helped out with the mac stuff - and is secretly working on an iOS port (but we need to release first so he can start breaking things) |
| 06:07:48 | bobdaduck | ah. |
| 06:07:54 | bobdaduck | HEY KODA WHATCHU THINK OF THIS http://bitfighter.org/forums/download/file.php?id=185&mode=view |
| 06:08:14 | koda | I THINK ALL CAPS IS BAD |
| 06:08:32 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 06:08:47 | bobdaduck | Sorry, kneejerk reaction to meeting someone new is to start yelling at them. |
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| 06:19:10 | | Set by raptor!~raptor@unaffiliated/greenmachine on Wed Jul 04 01:46:09 GMT 2012 |
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| 06:19:13 | CrazyLinuxNerd | you got fired already? |
| 06:19:21 | raptor | logbot welcome back! |
| 06:19:21 | bobdaduck | I'll be leaving in like January though so it won't be for very long |
| 06:19:28 | bobdaduck | yeah I didn't like my attitude so I banned me |
| 06:19:35 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lmao |
| 06:19:53 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yup i'd probably ban you too |
| 06:19:57 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lol kidding |
| 06:20:08 | bobdaduck | :D |
| 06:20:28 | sam686 | your BFLogBot is still using like 220 MB of RAM... |
| 06:20:50 | CrazyLinuxNerd | 220MB for a BOT? |
| 06:20:57 | bobdaduck | I'm working fonts for the "completely free" that I'm sticking on my ad |
| 06:21:11 | bobdaduck | there's a font called "hot mustard" |
| 06:21:23 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah just don't use "hot night" font |
| 06:21:31 | raptor | i changed to sun's jvm... |
| 06:21:36 | raptor | not working... |
| 06:21:39 | sam686 | the problem is BFLogBot is coded in JAVA and java uses so much RAM on 64-bit linux sent-os 6 |
| 06:21:43 | sam686 | (i mean cent os) |
| 06:21:49 | CrazyLinuxNerd | oh man java? no wonder high mem |
| 06:22:13 | CrazyLinuxNerd | the vm it's self is where the ram issues are |
| 06:22:25 | raptor | yes, and i've set a JVM limit |
| 06:22:32 | raptor | but it goes waaay beyond that |
| 06:22:39 | CrazyLinuxNerd | why did you pick java for it? |
| 06:23:14 | sam686 | is it, umm, possible to use a 32-bit java in a 64 bit linux? |
| 06:23:23 | CrazyLinuxNerd | Technically yes |
| 06:23:25 | CrazyLinuxNerd | but it's messy |
| 06:23:32 | raptor | it's easy |
| 06:23:47 | raptor | i chose java because i wanted ease and speed of development |
| 06:24:01 | | CrazyLinuxNerd is not a fan of 32-bit libs on 64-bit linux lol |
| 06:24:17 | raptor | me neither, but it's easy enough to have your own standalone java runtime.. |
| 06:24:23 | CrazyLinuxNerd | fair enough :-) - but to be fair, in modern times, 220MB of ram is not a lot |
| 06:24:37 | raptor | it's loads on a VPS with only 768! |
| 06:24:43 | CrazyLinuxNerd | ah |
| 06:24:45 | CrazyLinuxNerd | i see |
| 06:24:46 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lol |
| 06:25:15 | CrazyLinuxNerd | have you checked out OVH? or Rackspace etc? they tend to offer more ram |
| 06:25:29 | CrazyLinuxNerd | just remember ifyou go with OVH, remove their backdoor... |
| 06:25:55 | raptor | you'd have to ask watusimoto |
| 06:26:00 | sam686 | My newer computer is now 16 GB RAM (CPU i5-2320, graphics AMD Radeon HD 7350) |
| 06:26:22 | CrazyLinuxNerd | wow man.. what happened to your favourite Pentium 4? |
| 06:26:50 | sam686 | I also have Pentium D (about twice as fast as pentium 4) |
| 06:27:05 | sam686 | I still have pentium 4 computer, just I don't use anymore.. |
| 06:28:00 | CrazyLinuxNerd | Soon this sam guy is going to be running 24-port switches with 24 computers connected all running bitfgihter servers on a super fast internet connection with intel i7 cpu's... lol |
| 06:28:48 | sam686 | but another problem is: very little players on Bitfighter, leaving the servers empty most of the time... |
| 06:29:05 | CrazyLinuxNerd | oh, so if there was players, you would have 24 servers? :-D |
| 06:29:33 | sam686 | maybe, but not sure.. |
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| 06:30:33 | raptor | i got it down to 135! |
| 06:30:41 | CrazyLinuxNerd | oh nice work raptor |
| 06:31:03 | bobdaduck | gj |
| 06:31:17 | sam686 | I also did a little hack on the motherboard pci-e x1 slot: cut open the end so a pci-e x16 fits in it, and it works for more monitors. |
| 06:31:43 | CrazyLinuxNerd | hmm, wouldn't that cause performance issues? |
| 06:32:16 | bobdaduck | This any better guys? http://bitfighter.org/forums/download/file.php?id=186&mode=view |
| 06:32:40 | sam686 | yes, performance problems with video recording using pci-e x1 slot, but otherwise the 3D performance itself doesn't slow down much.. |
| 06:33:12 | sam686 | but I can just use the primary pci-e x16 for main gaming screen.. |
| 06:33:27 | raptor | bobdaduck: rounded corners! good job, i hear those are all the rage |
| 06:33:32 | CrazyLinuxNerd | can you still run all monitors simultaneously on all ports? surely the slowdown could effect that |
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| 06:34:22 | bobdaduck | I think it looks kind of tacky |
| 06:34:43 | raptor | yeah, see, my ignorance on the topic didn't show through... |
| 06:35:00 | sam686 | I only see performance problems with I drag a game windowed mode over to another graphics card |
| 06:35:42 | CrazyLinuxNerd | sam686: well if it works, and it's fine by you, then congrats :-) |
| 06:35:42 | bobdaduck | As far as aesthetics |
| 06:35:51 | bobdaduck | I mean, yes the rounded corners are much better than flat |
| 06:36:03 | bobdaduck | but the green panel itself doesn't seem consistent with the rest of the picture. |
| 06:36:22 | raptor | i guess i agree on that.. |
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| 06:39:26 | CrazyLinuxNerd | meh it means i gotta open my password manager |
| 06:39:27 | CrazyLinuxNerd | xD |
| 06:39:38 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 06:41:34 | koda | sam686: i actually use all operating systems |
| 06:41:47 | koda | osx at home, win at work, linux in a vm |
| 06:41:58 | | CrazyLinuxNerd wonders which distro koda uses |
| 06:42:05 | | koda is truly crossplafrom |
| 06:42:22 | bobdaduck | So koda did you look at the ad? |
| 06:42:36 | koda | little busy |
| 06:43:02 | bobdaduck | Pfft fine. |
| 06:44:54 | bobdaduck | The future of humanity is at stake, but if you're busy I guess the future will just have to wait. |
| 06:45:41 | bobdaduck | I don't need the future anyway. What's it ever done for me, huh? |
| 06:45:48 | raptor | ha |
| 06:46:41 | CrazyLinuxNerd | bobdaduck: In the future, you will get a life changing message on IRC |
| 06:46:52 | CrazyLinuxNerd | bobdaduck: This is it, this is the most life changing message you'll ever read |
| 06:46:59 | bobdaduck | HOLY |
| 06:47:08 | bobdaduck | WHERE IS PEN WRITING THIS DOWN |
| 06:47:21 | CrazyLinuxNerd | haha :-) |
| 06:47:49 | bobdaduck | "haha :-)"? And how do you spell that? How do you spell ":-)"? |
| 06:48:07 | bobdaduck | haha is pretty straightforward I think but that last part is harder |
| 06:48:18 | bobdaduck | Guess I gotta become a linguist now. |
| 06:48:24 | bobdaduck | life = changed |
| 06:48:30 | CrazyLinuxNerd | exactly! |
| 06:48:32 | sam686 | try saying :-) using your voice? |
| 06:49:05 | bobdaduck | I don't |
| 06:49:07 | bobdaduck | how |
| 06:49:19 | bobdaduck | colon-minus-closeparenthesis. |
| 06:50:10 | bobdaduck | Did it work? |
| 06:50:35 | CrazyLinuxNerd | Yes! *poof* humanity is now dead |
| 06:50:49 | sam686 | all I hear is a quick "ha" when I try :-) using speaker icon here: http://translate.google.com |
| 06:50:51 | bobdaduck | NOOOOOOOOO |
| 06:51:21 | bobdaduck | Hm, you're right sam. |
| 06:51:29 | bobdaduck | It like cuts out halfway through though. |
| 06:51:40 | bobdaduck | Do you think google ran out of end parenthesis? |
| 06:56:10 | | raptor is getting sleepy |
| 06:56:43 | | CrazyLinuxNerd thinks raptor needs some coffee |
| 06:56:55 | | CrazyLinuxNerd gives raptor some coffee |
| 06:57:10 | | raptor stays away from caffeine as it gives him headaches |
| 06:57:23 | | raptor appreciates the gesture |
| 06:57:30 | raptor | :) |
| 06:57:42 | bobdaduck | * how do I do that |
| 06:57:46 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lol i get the opposit, i get headaches if i don't drink it in the moring |
| 06:57:46 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 06:57:53 | CrazyLinuxNerd | type /me and text here |
| 06:57:56 | bobdaduck | You probably drink too much |
| 06:57:57 | raptor | CrazyLinuxNerd: you're dependent! |
| 06:58:07 | | bobdaduck has never had caffeine |
| 06:58:19 | raptor | bobdaduck: you've never had chocolate? |
| 06:58:27 | bobdaduck | caffinated drinks. |
| 06:58:29 | CrazyLinuxNerd | fail xD |
| 06:58:33 | raptor | haha |
| 06:58:38 | bobdaduck | chocolate is such a low ammount as to not even count though. |
| 06:59:07 | CrazyLinuxNerd | but, it's still there... |
| 06:59:11 | raptor | not with the amount we eat at halloween! :) |
| 06:59:15 | bobdaduck | rofl |
| 06:59:22 | CrazyLinuxNerd | and xmas |
| 06:59:26 | CrazyLinuxNerd | and easter |
| 06:59:28 | bobdaduck | yes, but that's like saying... like saying... |
| 06:59:36 | bobdaduck | I dunno. Floundering for analogy. |
| 07:00:05 | raptor | this is a fun site: http://www.energyfiend.com/death-by-caffeine |
| 07:00:07 | bobdaduck | maybe "I've never been electrocuted, but I do have electricity in my brain" |
| 07:00:15 | raptor | look up chocolate milk |
| 07:00:35 | | raptor does some quick math |
| 07:00:40 | CrazyLinuxNerd | wait, I'm gunna die from coffee? |
| 07:00:41 | | CrazyLinuxNerd cries |
| 07:00:42 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lol |
| 07:00:43 | bobdaduck | rofl |
| 07:01:01 | raptor | that's like 300 gallons of chocolate milk before the caffeine would kill me! |
| 07:01:15 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 07:01:22 | bobdaduck | viable? um, not really. |
| 07:01:49 | CrazyLinuxNerd | * bobdaduck has not seen raptor eat |
| 07:02:05 | bobdaduck | I haven't seen anyone on the bitfighter forums eat, no. |
| 07:02:41 | raptor | crazy: http://www.energyfiend.com/a-real-life-death-by-caffeine |
| 07:03:20 | raptor | man, i'm missing the payson scottish festival already |
| 07:03:42 | CrazyLinuxNerd | hey caffinated doms - neat idea |
| 07:03:44 | CrazyLinuxNerd | lol |
| 07:04:35 | bobdaduck | Raptor you in utah? |
| 07:04:50 | raptor | yeah, provo |
| 07:04:57 | bobdaduck | Woah. |
| 07:05:02 | bobdaduck | I'm in Lindon. |
| 07:05:03 | bobdaduck | xD |
| 07:05:19 | CrazyLinuxNerd | you two should meet up for lunch sometime |
| 07:05:20 | raptor | London? weren't you in Orem one time? or Lindon.. |
| 07:05:22 | CrazyLinuxNerd | or a nice dinner |
| 07:05:28 | raptor | oh, duh |
| 07:05:29 | raptor | Lindon |
| 07:05:31 | bobdaduck | I go to UVU |
| 07:05:35 | bobdaduck | for now. |
| 07:05:36 | | raptor has blurry eyes |
| 07:06:05 | raptor | ha cool - i've been thinking about wanting to learn to fly, i hear UVU is a good place for that |
| 07:06:14 | bobdaduck | I dunno man |
| 07:06:31 | bobdaduck | unless you're talking about like, lucid dreaming, I don't see it |
| 07:06:47 | raptor | flying? umm... a plane? |
| 07:07:00 | raptor | am I sure i'm the only one tired? |
| 07:07:01 | bobdaduck | Oh. |
| 07:07:02 | bobdaduck | xD |
| 07:07:10 | bobdaduck | I'm getting a haircut. |
| 07:07:25 | bobdaduck | How can you be tired |
| 07:07:31 | bobdaduck | its scarcely past midnight |
| 07:07:38 | raptor | i'm uh, a father of two... |
| 07:07:55 | | CrazyLinuxNerd points out it's 07:07am here |
| 07:08:02 | raptor | CrazyLinuxNerd: you've been up all night? |
| 07:08:12 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah kinda got talking to someone you know what i'm like |
| 07:08:36 | bobdaduck | I don't see what that has to do with it |
| 07:08:55 | bobdaduck | I've pretty much evolved past the need for sleep |
| 07:09:06 | raptor | if only that were truly possible... |
| 07:09:15 | raptor | then i'd have time to fix more bitfighter bugs! |
| 07:09:19 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 07:09:19 | CrazyLinuxNerd | yeah if that were possible, we'd have raptor do more coding lol |
| 07:09:26 | bobdaduck | xD |
| 07:10:48 | raptor | watusimoto should be waking up here any minute... |
| 07:11:03 | raptor | oh sam686, still around? |
| 07:11:05 | bobdaduck | Is he asleep? |
| 07:11:12 | raptor | he's in Luxemburg |
| 07:11:14 | CrazyLinuxNerd | in any minute raptor will be going "hey wat, i'm on this line of code, carry on for me" lol |
| 07:11:20 | raptor | ha |
| 07:11:42 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 07:11:42 | sam686 | just about going to sleep.. |
| 07:11:50 | bobdaduck | Why sleep |
| 07:11:54 | raptor | sam686: can you paste that level we used for the teleporter crash |
| 07:11:55 | bobdaduck | when you can hyper |
| 07:11:58 | raptor | i cannot duplicate |
| 07:12:18 | raptor | bobdaduck: 'hyper'? |
| 07:12:27 | CrazyLinuxNerd | i think this bobdaduck is on drugs |
| 07:12:30 | bobdaduck | verbbing words weirds language |
| 07:12:47 | bobdaduck | I ain't on drugs I'm just eclectic. |
| 07:12:49 | raptor | bobdaduck: you gotta lay off of the grasshopper pie ice cream |
| 07:13:14 | bobdaduck | and you can go for DAYS without sleep with NO SIDE EFFECTS *twitch* |
| 07:13:35 | raptor | *twitch*twictch*....*thump* |
| 07:13:36 | sam686 | any level with teleporters, basically, but only happens when you freeze the bitfighter server's CPU for 4 seconds while teleporting.. |
| 07:13:59 | raptor | sam686: did you actually freeze the server, or was it large lag that does it? |
| 07:14:18 | sam686 | or i might have did a large lag.. |
| 07:14:29 | | raptor tries again to confirm |
| 07:14:30 | sam686 | try a /lag 500 0.3 or something |
| 07:15:48 | bobdaduck | what was that glitch sam found when he increased the frame rate cap and then could move through walls |
| 07:16:26 | bobdaduck | That was so weird. |
| 07:16:32 | sam686 | that go through walls was already fixed on 016, i believe.. |
| 07:16:40 | sam686 | or 017 probably |
| 07:18:44 | raptor | all right - going to bed |
| 07:18:53 | raptor | good night folks! my kirkmount music ended.. |
| 07:19:11 | bobdaduck | GLHF |
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| 07:24:15 | bobdaduck | and the chat dies |
| 07:25:12 | bobdaduck | Let us have a moment of silence.... Which we already had... For our silence... |
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| 16:06:17 | raptor | good morngin! |
| 16:17:31 | watusimoto | hi |
| 16:17:35 | raptor | hi |
| 16:17:43 | watusimoto | fell alseep again last night! |
| 16:17:46 | watusimoto | two nights in a row! |
| 16:18:15 | raptor | great! |
| 16:19:02 | watusimoto | I was thinking about the energy stuff, and what seems nice is that when you run out of energy, you usually either recharge, or die. In either case, you naturally become in sync with the server |
| 16:19:22 | watusimoto | so there is a self-synchronizing element to that sort of data |
| 16:19:28 | watusimoto | unlike, say, shooting or moving |
| 16:28:02 | raptor | yes |
| 16:28:36 | raptor | I tested that patch - i noticed that purple/ blue got out of sync a lot on that NASCAR level - especially when picking up energy items |
| 16:32:40 | kodabbws | i did that last night |
| 16:32:45 | kodabbws | but woke up too early |
| 16:32:46 | kodabbws | :D |
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| 16:44:56 | raptor | say what? |
| 16:45:08 | | bobdaduck has joined |
| 16:45:14 | bobdaduck | Holy crap |
| 16:45:17 | bobdaduck | Everyone is online |
| 16:45:34 | raptor | 'online' can be a pseudo-state of sorts... |
| 16:45:53 | bobdaduck | Everyone just leaves it open in a tab anyway |
| 16:46:00 | bobdaduck | but still, everyone. |
| 16:46:58 | bobdaduck | Well yeah. |
| 16:48:14 | bobdaduck | What's the coolest new feature we have lined up for 018? |
| 16:48:49 | raptor | ummm... evil scripts! |
| 16:49:00 | bobdaduck | Evil scripts? |
| 16:49:26 | raptor | hmm, maybe it's music... or the seeker weapon? |
| 16:50:01 | bobdaduck | Music is already there? |
| 16:50:09 | bobdaduck | I mean, mine plays music. |
| 16:50:14 | bobdaduck | ;Doesn't everybody elses? |
| 16:50:26 | bobdaduck | Except that they all mute it because everyone else only has one song |
| 16:50:33 | bobdaduck | but I have the full song cache so I dunno. |
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| 16:51:20 | bobdaduck | Wat |
| 16:51:31 | bobdaduck | 2 Wats wat |
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| 16:55:33 | bobdaduck | So tortoiseHG won't let me update the bitfighter code unless I check the discard everything box. |
| 16:55:36 | bobdaduck | What do? |
| 16:55:48 | raptor | do you have changes to the code? |
| 16:56:09 | bobdaduck | no |
| 16:56:20 | raptor | no changes that you want to keep? |
| 16:56:36 | bobdaduck | No changes period |
| 16:59:39 | bobdaduck | Oh, okay. |
| 16:59:40 | bobdaduck | xD |
| 17:01:45 | bobdaduck | Someone tell me what this error means when I compile |
| 17:01:46 | bobdaduck | 1>C:\Program Files (x86)\MSBuild\Microsoft.Cpp\v4.0\Microsoft.CppCommon.targets(113,5): error MSB3073: The command "xcopy /e /d /y C:\bitfighter source FE\resource\* C:\bitfighter source FE\zap\..\exe\ && xcopy /d /y C:\bitfighter source FE\lib\*.dll C:\bitfighter source FE\zap\..\exe\ |
| 17:07:50 | raptor | then discard! |
| 17:08:27 | bobdaduck | How? |
| 17:09:29 | raptor | what OS are you using? what IDE? |
| 17:09:45 | bobdaduck | WIndows 7, visual c++ |
| 17:09:54 | raptor | what version of vc++? |
| 17:10:18 | bobdaduck | 2010 express' |
| 17:10:26 | raptor | hmm, that should work |
| 17:10:36 | raptor | that's what watusimoto uses, and what i have set in my vm |
| 17:10:47 | raptor | also, what is the rest of that error? |
| 17:11:05 | watusimoto | I tested that patch >>> out of sync, yes, but would using input from the red help at all? |
| 17:11:36 | bobdaduck | I have no idea what anyone is talking about. |
| 17:11:39 | raptor | watusimoto: red? |
| 17:11:46 | bobdaduck | 1>C:\Program Files (x86)\MSBuild\Microsoft.Cpp\v4.0\Microsoft.CppCommon.targets(113,5): error MSB3073: :VCEnd" exited with code 4. |
| 17:11:49 | watusimoto | there are two lines: a red one and a magenta one |
| 17:12:01 | raptor | huh, i've only ever seen the magenta one |
| 17:12:04 | watusimoto | the red one reflects potential correction data arriving from the server |
| 17:12:22 | watusimoto | the magenta one is the real value stolen from the server process |
| 17:12:33 | watusimoto | if you haven't set /lag, they two will be the same |
| 17:12:54 | watusimoto | the larger the lag, the bigger the difference |
| 17:13:16 | watusimoto | and shooting currently mucks everything up so if you were shooting, anything could happen |
| 17:13:56 | raptor | shields don't even show... |
| 17:14:06 | watusimoto | you should be able to see a small but visible difference with /lag 100 |
| 17:14:16 | watusimoto | more so with /lag 200 |
| 17:14:30 | watusimoto | at these levels, in my tests, the problems weren't too bad. |
| 17:14:33 | raptor | there's a solution to this that hasn't been proposed' |
| 17:14:47 | raptor | a different energy meter |
| 17:14:58 | watusimoto | now you're talking! |
| 17:15:15 | watusimoto | (though I am not convinced there is a problem) |
| 17:15:15 | raptor | maybe a synchronous one that only updates every n milliseconds |
| 17:15:33 | watusimoto | meaning always displays what's coming from the server |
| 17:15:48 | watusimoto | ? |
| 17:15:59 | raptor | yes that |
| 17:16:08 | watusimoto | it won't help |
| 17:16:13 | watusimoto | it will make things worse |
| 17:16:16 | watusimoto | for two reasons |
| 17:17:02 | watusimoto | 1) The data coming from the server is a bit delayed... as the colored lines showed me in my tests, the delayed data from the server is actually less accurate than not using any server data (i.e. only tracking things on the client) |
| 17:17:17 | raptor | when i get an egergy item, it reflects in the blue, but not the red/magenta |
| 17:17:21 | raptor | *energy |
| 17:17:33 | watusimoto | and 2) the energy meter will then have a delay that will seem unnatural -- you turn on shiedls, and 200ms later the energy starts decreasing |
| 17:17:43 | watusimoto | I haven't tested energy items |
| 17:17:50 | watusimoto | so there may be an issue there |
| 17:18:04 | bobdaduck | Raptor how do I "discard" |
| 17:18:32 | raptor | bobdaduck: i don't know exactly on tortoise, but on the command line you do: hg revert -a |
| 17:18:55 | watusimoto | potential solutions include 1) getting rid of energy items, 2) awarding an energy bonus locally when you collide with energy item or 3) handling that as a special case (i.e. sending a special message that energy has been increased) |
| 17:19:05 | watusimoto | 3 is probably the best |
| 17:19:26 | raptor | so why do energy items work on 017? |
| 17:19:28 | watusimoto | so there would be a short delay before your energy was awarded |
| 17:19:51 | watusimoto | I *think* it has to do with the more rapid energy increase rate that allows things to get out of sync more quickly |
| 17:20:16 | watusimoto | and at shorter pings the energy levels don't really get out of sync |
| 17:20:23 | watusimoto | and who says it works properly in 017? |
| 17:20:44 | bobdaduck | You touch it and you get energy |
| 17:20:46 | watusimoto | what is true about 017 is that there are no visible correction jumps under good network conditions |
| 17:20:49 | bobdaduck | Seems to work for me xD |
| 17:21:03 | watusimoto | here's a good easy test |
| 17:21:14 | bobdaduck | Isn't it handled the same as a health item? |
| 17:21:21 | watusimoto | revert to a recent revision beofre I mucked with the energy code |
| 17:21:25 | watusimoto | remove the fast recharge |
| 17:21:28 | watusimoto | play |
| 17:21:33 | watusimoto | see how things work |
| 17:21:41 | watusimoto | I predict that they will feel much like 017 |
| 17:21:58 | watusimoto | I further predict that if yo uadd fast recharge back, you'll see the jumpy energy meter |
| 17:22:03 | raptor | ok... even before we added the fast recharge? |
| 17:22:15 | watusimoto | I'd revert to, say, a week ago |
| 17:22:24 | watusimoto | and disable fast recharge |
| 17:22:40 | watusimoto | or increase the fast recharge time to U32_MAX |
| 17:22:41 | watusimoto | or something |
| 17:22:54 | watusimoto | then, to be fair, set /lag 100 |
| 17:23:01 | watusimoto | and try it out |
| 17:23:34 | watusimoto | bobdaduck: hi, btw. health and energy are handled in a similar manner, yes |
| 17:23:43 | watusimoto | but health is more static and less visible than energy |
| 17:23:56 | watusimoto | so any "quirks" are much less apparent |
| 17:24:12 | watusimoto | and that's the name of the game here --- hiding the inevitable flaws |
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| 17:25:06 | watusimoto | because when there is 100ms lag between players and the server, that means there is 200ms lag between players and other players... and a lot can happen in 200ms. the trick is to make the lag feel invisible evne though things are always getting out of sync |
| 17:25:08 | bobdaduck | Did we ever decide if seeker should explode or not? |
| 17:25:20 | watusimoto | I think it should do what it does now |
| 17:25:50 | watusimoto | so being out of sync is much less of a problem than things seeming to be out of sync |
| 17:27:03 | watusimoto | and what I have concluded with the energy stuff is that energy changes so quickly that it is very difficult to keep in sync, even with reasonable lags (100ms) |
| 17:27:04 | bobdaduck | seeker bullets can hit each other lol |
| 17:27:10 | watusimoto | hooray! |
| 17:27:22 | raptor | the jumpy meter isn't exactly the main problem (I thought) - it's the client prediction fail that causes the ship to use or not use modules client-side |
| 17:27:22 | raptor | for instance |
| 17:27:22 | raptor | if you go to that NASCAR level |
| 17:27:22 | raptor | use all your energy, touch an energy pack |
| 17:27:22 | raptor | then shield - it will flicker a whole lot because client thinks you don't have energy for it, but server says shield is on |
| 17:27:22 | raptor | oooo segfault! |
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| 17:27:37 | raptor | wait what? |
| 17:27:46 | bobdaduck | Segfault oooh boy |
| 17:27:51 | bobdaduck | Getting in to the big boy errors |
| 17:28:08 | watusimoto | raptor: yes that is a problem |
| 17:28:29 | raptor | ok segfault is due to the test energy code, disregard |
| 17:28:44 | watusimoto | raptor: the only real cure is to delay shield application until you have confirmation from the server |
| 17:28:57 | watusimoto | but that would introduce the same lag into modules as we have in shooting |
| 17:29:02 | watusimoto | which kind of stinks |
| 17:29:23 | raptor | client-side prediction stinks |
| 17:29:37 | watusimoto | so maybe for energy packs, when you hit one, you don't get the energy until you get a msg from the server |
| 17:29:54 | bobdaduck | but seekers only collide with each other about half the time |
| 17:30:03 | watusimoto | because if the client thinks you hit one and awards you the energy, but the server says no, things will get whacky |
| 17:30:11 | raptor | seekers are special |
| 17:30:14 | raptor | they're moody |
| 17:30:19 | watusimoto | they have to hit dead on |
| 17:30:23 | watusimoto | they have a radius of 0 |
| 17:30:43 | bobdaduck | Shouldn't they have a bit more of a radius? |
| 17:30:48 | watusimoto | probably |
| 17:30:54 | raptor | watusimoto: in this case the client doesn't know you've hit an energy item |
| 17:31:10 | watusimoto | we probbaly don't client-side predict that |
| 17:31:21 | watusimoto | probably the same issue with health items |
| 17:31:22 | raptor | i'm starting to think we should just ignore and release... |
| 17:31:29 | bobdaduck | And then half the time the collision makes them both explode, and half the time it just knocks both off course. |
| 17:32:15 | watusimoto | I think I can get the energy situation under control tonight |
| 17:32:28 | watusimoto | in a way that feels ok to the player |
| 17:32:35 | watusimoto | I will test with energy packs |
| 17:32:52 | watusimoto | I've just had coffee, so I might not fall alseep so early tonight! |
| 17:33:14 | raptor | ok |
| 17:33:16 | watusimoto | so what's your conclusion from the reversion test? |
| 17:33:28 | watusimoto | is it the fast recharge that is the problem? |
| 17:34:34 | raptor | one moment - have to run it.. :) |
| 17:34:40 | watusimoto | I think I'm opposed to client-siding predicitng collisoins with energy items because if you get it wrong, it's hard to unwind without really mucking up the player's perception of the game |
| 17:34:59 | watusimoto | things like position are fine. |
| 17:35:18 | raptor | yes, but i mean the client isn't update at all... |
| 17:35:37 | watusimoto | also, as far as modules go, the problem only occurs when the server thinks you have less energy than the client, and forbids shiedls because you don't have the energy, right? |
| 17:35:51 | bobdaduck | Why do seekers have zero radius? |
| 17:36:04 | watusimoto | but I am having a hard time thinking of how the server could show less energy than the client if the server is always lagging the client |
| 17:36:19 | watusimoto | bobdaduck: because all projectiles have 0 radius |
| 17:36:31 | raptor | bobdaduck: so it can round corners easier :) |
| 17:36:59 | watusimoto | I can see how server could show more energy, but until we get a negative energy pack, it should never be (much) less |
| 17:37:12 | raptor | watusimoto: there is still a problem somewhere - shield doesn't even show client side - i reverted to 12dd575544d3 |
| 17:37:40 | watusimoto | only when you stop shielding; client will start to recharge while the server is still deducting for shields for duration of lag. but under sane conditions, that will be small |
| 17:38:00 | watusimoto | well, I'll run the test myself tonight |
| 17:38:03 | raptor | i mean shield module isn't even shown as 'on'... |
| 17:38:15 | watusimoto | that's a bit odd |
| 17:38:43 | bobdaduck | Also why does it change the "level by" section of a level depending on who is hosting a server? I have levels by Quartz that it says are by me when I host the server |
| 17:38:56 | raptor | really? |
| 17:39:00 | raptor | that is probably a bug |
| 17:39:21 | raptor | uh... i don't see it |
| 17:39:25 | watusimoto | on my local client, I also changed it to show when the server thinks shields are on |
| 17:40:05 | watusimoto | I want to add some of these visualizations to the game permanently, activated by a compiler directive or perhaps a /command available only when running debug mode |
| 17:40:23 | watusimoto | I think it is really helpful to get a better sense of where things are getting out of sync |
| 17:40:35 | raptor | yes, the /lag was a good idea |
| 17:40:41 | bobdaduck | It doesn't happen always... I dunno what's up with it. I haven''t done testing on it or whatever, I just know that its giving me credit for levels just because I'm hosting a server. |
| 17:40:45 | watusimoto | I think that was sam686's idea |
| 17:41:05 | raptor | bobdaduck: if you check the level files themselves, what do they say? |
| 17:41:17 | raptor | in a text editor |
| 17:41:21 | bobdaduck | I don't know, I haven't done testing. |
| 17:41:28 | bobdaduck | Probably nothing? |
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| 17:41:40 | watusimoto | ok, I'm heading home. Energy is project #1 for tonight |
| 17:41:49 | raptor | ok |
| 17:41:51 | watusimoto | back in a few hours |
| 17:41:53 | bobdaduck | They're older levels so it says stuff like "By Quartz" in the description, rather than the credit place. |
| 17:42:41 | watusimoto | but raptor: I ahve also been thinking we could release before fixing every one of the bugs. some are really quite minor and could be habdled in a quick 019 release (things like delayed badges and such) |
| 17:42:56 | raptor | yeah that one can be postponed |
| 17:43:08 | watusimoto | ok, later all! |
| 17:43:24 | raptor | bye |
| 17:47:08 | raptor | back to work for me.. |
| 17:48:56 | bobdaduck | enjoy |
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| 19:07:17 | raptor | yay net split! |
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| 22:32:35 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 22:36:09 | raptor | hi |
| 22:41:53 | raptor | can i just say that REST-based web services are neat, but they stink at being discoverable |
| 22:42:25 | Watusimoto | discoverable? |
| 22:42:57 | Watusimoto | I absolutely hate programming them |
| 22:43:14 | raptor | SOAP-based services have a WSDL file that you can slurp in and create xml-java objects on the fly |
| 22:43:28 | raptor | a service description file |
| 22:43:42 | raptor | but with REST, you have to create every thing by hand |
| 22:44:04 | Watusimoto | I like having state. I like traditional apps. It's how I think. |
| 22:44:14 | raptor | there is no description file served up |
| 22:44:27 | raptor | you like the REST pattern, you mean? |
| 22:44:49 | raptor | I think it's good - but they don't make it easy to build clients |
| 22:45:21 | Watusimoto | I don;t like it as a developer. I do as a user, sometimes |
| 22:46:02 | raptor | yes.. that |
| 22:46:04 | raptor | exactly |
| 22:46:30 | Watusimoto | it is, alas, the way of the future |
| 22:46:40 | Watusimoto | at least for many things |
| 22:46:53 | raptor | building a REST web service is cake in Java |
| 22:47:01 | raptor | but the client... |
| 22:47:57 | Watusimoto | oh, the client |
| 22:48:04 | Watusimoto | woe be to the client developer |
| 22:48:12 | raptor | i know! |
| 22:48:18 | Watusimoto | woe be to me |
| 22:48:23 | raptor | haha |
| 22:48:27 | Watusimoto | :-( |
| 22:48:34 | Watusimoto | my client sucks at the moment |
| 22:48:43 | Watusimoto | and i feel like a jerk for writing it |
| 22:48:52 | Watusimoto | sigh |
| 22:49:08 | raptor | wait - are you talking about bitfighter now? |
| 22:49:17 | Watusimoto | no |
| 22:49:43 | raptor | so every developer i've talked to here says that they're REST clients they've written are complete hacks |
| 22:49:52 | raptor | *their |
| 22:50:15 | raptor | and how dare i ask about standards |
| 22:50:21 | Watusimoto | yes. mine especially, as it is really a series of semi-connected js apps strung together with crazy server code |
| 22:50:59 | Watusimoto | with no central design (not my fault), and (still) no definition for the most important parts of the app |
| 22:51:12 | raptor | exactly! |
| 22:51:19 | Watusimoto | argh. I'm getting depressed just thinking about it |
| 22:51:23 | Watusimoto | so I'll stop! |
| 22:51:26 | raptor | ha |
| 22:51:36 | raptor | ok, back to important things... bitfighter! |
| 22:51:38 | raptor | oh |
| 22:51:45 | raptor | did you submit the GCI stuff? |
| 22:56:03 | Watusimoto | sort of yes no |
| 23:06:38 | Watusimoto | I need to reformat the tasks into XML |
| 23:06:44 | Watusimoto | and we should be good |
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| 23:19:09 | Watusimoto | raptor: you have suse desktop? |
| 23:19:19 | raptor | yes |
| 23:19:21 | Watusimoto | is that gnome or kde? |
| 23:19:27 | raptor | mine is KDE |
| 23:19:31 | Watusimoto | ok |
| 23:19:33 | raptor | but SUSE does both |
| 23:19:34 | Watusimoto | ok |
| 23:19:48 | raptor | and LXDE/XFCE |
| 23:19:50 | Watusimoto | for the game widget for linux should I specify gnome or kde? |
| 23:19:57 | Watusimoto | or is that not important? |
| 23:20:06 | raptor | oh |
| 23:20:08 | raptor | uhh |
| 23:20:20 | raptor | do you have the description? |
| 23:20:31 | Watusimoto | Create nice "toaster style" alert widget to notify players when someone has joined the Bitfighter |
| 23:20:31 | Watusimoto | server. Widget will use data from existing JSON data feed. Different technologies will be |
| 23:20:31 | Watusimoto | considered, but the system must be distributable and self-contained. Widgets should be installable |
| 23:20:31 | Watusimoto | and function independently of the main game. |
| 23:20:31 | Watusimoto | Widget will run on Mint or SUSE desktop (of your choice). |
| 23:21:12 | raptor | honestly i'd let the person chose - a KDE widget might be pretty simple |
| 23:21:22 | raptor | but |
| 23:22:18 | raptor | maybe use of a feedreader or something would be simpler |
| 23:23:21 | Watusimoto | I'm trying to be solution agnostic |
| 23:23:22 | raptor | maybe 'widget' isn't the proper thing? are you thinking of a desktop notifier applet of sorts? |
| 23:23:51 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 23:26:50 | raptor | yeah, i wouldn't put a limit on it |
| 23:27:04 | raptor | maybe desktop notifier |
| 23:28:52 | raptor | i'm looking for a freedesktop standard for desktop notifications, but their site just went down.. |
| 23:33:08 | Watusimoto | so what folder do I need to put stuff in to make it available via http? (on bitfighter.org/~wat) |
| 23:33:53 | Watusimoto | ah, public_html |
| 23:34:47 | raptor | yes |
| 23:35:03 | Watusimoto | http://bitfighter.org/~wat/gci.xml :-( |
| 23:35:16 | Watusimoto | permission problem? |
| 23:35:48 | raptor | looking.. |
| 23:35:49 | Watusimoto | looks like it's rwxr-xr-x |
| 23:36:10 | raptor | fixed |
| 23:36:16 | Watusimoto | what did you do? |
| 23:36:30 | raptor | your home directory /home/wat was rwx------ |
| 23:36:37 | raptor | i made it rwxr-xr-x |
| 23:36:48 | raptor | which basically means we can see each others files |
| 23:37:12 | raptor | but the missing x meant other users (like apache) couldn't traverse the directory |
| 23:37:51 | Watusimoto | interesting. that means winscp lied about the permissions |
| 23:38:09 | raptor | well, it was teh parent directory of 'public_html' |
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| 23:40:15 | heyub | Where are the four sided bitfighters? |
| 23:40:27 | raptor | hi heyub |
| 23:40:47 | raptor | i'm afraid your question baffles me at the moment |
| 23:40:50 | heyub | Hey raptor, how are you doing? |
| 23:40:53 | heyub | lol |
| 23:41:29 | Watusimoto | updated task descriptions: |
| 23:41:29 | Watusimoto | http://bitfighter.org/~wat/gci.xml |
| 23:41:40 | Watusimoto | hi heyub |
| 23:42:46 | raptor | doing good, thanks |
| 23:42:57 | heyub | Hey watusimoto, thought I'd come to check out whats been happening lately. |
| 23:43:16 | raptor | we've been trying to release 018 for 2 months! |
| 23:43:35 | raptor | and we're really close.. we promise! |
| 23:43:58 | heyub | sweet! |
| 23:45:13 | heyub | You'll have it done by christmas right? |
| 23:45:43 | Watusimoto | oh man I hope so |
| 23:46:03 | heyub | I'll have to play it when I get home then. |
| 23:47:21 | raptor | Watusimoto: i forgot to mention that i'm leaving for 2 weeks on the 11th |
| 23:47:27 | raptor | with no internet access |
| 23:47:41 | Watusimoto | you did mention that |
| 23:47:45 | Watusimoto | :-( |
| 23:47:58 | Watusimoto | well at least you'll be having fun, I hope! |
| 23:48:25 | heyub | Aw man, and I get home on the 15th. |
| 23:49:12 | raptor | maybe... we can get things cleaned up by next weekend? |
| 23:49:39 | raptor | i got busy with school again after Thanksgiving.. |
| 23:50:24 | Watusimoto | I hope so |
| 23:51:17 | raptor | i'm really happy about the in-code resource detection... |
| 23:51:22 | raptor | really, really happy |
| 23:51:39 | raptor | that saves so much overhead at each release |
| 23:55:40 | Watusimoto | good |
| 23:55:44 | Watusimoto | I hope it works! |
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