#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2013-02-03

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00:09:21 Lamp89 wow
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00:17:13 Set by raptor!~raptor@unaffiliated/greenmachine on Fri Jan 18 20:33:17 GMT 2013
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00:20:04 Lamp89 i made a video about it
01:45:39 Lamp89 quartz y u ban me
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08:35:12 raptor horehound tea is the nastiest stuff on the planet...
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15:09:30 raptor buenos
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15:57:30 raptor project of the day:  rewrite bflogbot in python...   is it possible?
16:07:52 raptor nope not possible!
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17:28:33 kaen lmao
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18:46:33 sam686 I am seeing Bitfighter crash trying to load a file in music folder I put in, which is inside a 7z file http://sam6.25u.com/upload/11110440.7z
18:47:03 raptor really?
18:47:07 raptor (hi sam686)
18:47:34 sam686 other music player plays immediately with so little RAM usage on big WAV file..
18:48:29 raptor do i extract the file or play the 7z directly?
18:48:42 sam686 extract,  it won't play 7z directly
18:48:56 sam686 I only compressed it so it will be tiny download size..
18:49:43 raptor how big is that!!!
18:49:48 raptor please warn me first...
18:49:50 sam686 3.9 GB
18:49:54 raptor !!!
18:50:14 raptor ah ok
18:50:16 raptor yes
18:50:20 raptor i know the problem
18:50:25 sam686 one of my computer have 16 GB RAM..
18:50:41 raptor bitfighter SoundSystem loads the entire wav files in memory
18:51:01 raptor for music, it does it little bit by bit
18:51:19 raptor i think i set up 2 or 3 buffers of like 100K or so..
18:51:22 sam686 but why does it crash if I put it in music folder?
18:51:44 raptor i don't know...
18:52:04 sam686 it seem like bitfighter on windows is trying to load the entire WAV into memory..
18:52:17 sam686 check RAM usage when playing music on bitfighter..
18:52:24 raptor yes...  i wonder if the SoundSystem is set to always load the whole WAV file..
18:52:36 sam686 maybe your 64-bit don't have 2/4 GB max ram limit..
18:52:54 raptor oh you're running on 32bit?
18:53:13 sam686 my windows 7 is 64 bit,  but bitfighter.exe is only 32 bit..
18:53:51 sam686 your linux may be totally 64 bit for all programs and stuff like bitfighter..
18:53:57 raptor yes, it is
19:05:47 raptor sam686: would you like to do some playtesting?  most things are ready for release, i think, except that one Lua bug that watusimoto is working on..
19:13:55 sam686 well ok, but will take about 35 minutes.. Have to eat food..
19:15:31 raptor ok
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20:08:55 Little_Apple hello
20:09:30 raptor hi
20:09:45 raptor sam686: ready for play testing?
20:10:12 Little_Apple raptor: just wondering, what was your process for making the core?
20:10:57 raptor Little_Apple: the Core game type?
20:11:14 Little_Apple the core model thing whatever
20:12:07 raptor define making?
20:12:10 raptor the graphic itself?
20:12:20 raptor or the whole game object?
20:12:30 Little_Apple the graphic
20:12:36 raptor oh, well...
20:12:44 raptor i actually made it in-code
20:12:57 Little_Apple did you make it entirely with code or an external program- oh ok
20:13:05 raptor in-code
20:13:23 raptor watusimoto had an idea and i just made something similar
20:13:28 Little_Apple ah
20:13:30 raptor then we kept revising it
20:13:46 Little_Apple is it in a specific format or something?
20:14:38 raptor this was our starting idea:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HHRCA6CS8k
20:14:48 raptor i coded it in OpenGL calls
20:15:04 Little_Apple yea i've seen star castle :P
20:15:07 raptor so it's just math:  draw a polygon, rotate it..
20:16:05 raptor you can see it here in the code, but it might not make much sense to you:  https://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/source/browse/zap/gameObjectRender.cpp#1955
20:16:48 raptor sam686 did the atom graphic
20:17:32 sam686 was buzy tring to get ps3 controller to work again,  got it working now on windows
20:17:49 raptor was it a driver issue?
20:19:38 sam686 on windows, there is DS3 which can emulate other controllers like Xinput or other mappings..  Turns out a "PCSX2 with pressure sensitive" works with bitfighter's six axis profile
20:20:57 raptor so no code  changes
20:26:09 raptor ok, i'll try compiling dedicated and set up a server to play test
20:28:04 BFLogBot Commit: 3f1feeeb5fc5 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix dedicated compile in Linux 
20:28:18 raptor ok sam686, server is up and is runnign in gdb
20:29:08 raptor removed password...  sorry
20:29:54 raptor got black screen...
20:30:03 raptor oops
20:30:07 raptor nope, it crashed
20:30:53 raptor crash:  http://pastie.org/6034837
20:32:23 sam686 crash?   I get lagged out..
20:32:34 raptor test object suite crashes with the above^^
20:32:56 sam686 worm::idle?
20:33:27 raptor yeah...
20:40:43 raptor sam686: password is 'test'
20:43:56 sam686 was away for a minute.  also kindof changed my button layout, as I was too used to dualAction control, hitting the wrong button during loadout changes. Worst: can only change loadout buttons on joystick_presets.ini
20:46:44 sam686 http://sam6.25u.com/upload/screenshot_101.png  (why is triangle white?)
20:46:52 raptor looking
20:47:02 raptor the 'strt' one?
20:47:12 raptor oh weird
20:47:18 raptor i don't know...
20:47:41 sam686 the triangle button is really green on the controller itself..
20:48:40 raptor yes - in the ini you can specify it as green, did you do that?
20:50:17 sam686 then I wonder why all of them says Color:White?
20:50:44 raptor that's weird
20:50:52 raptor maybe the INI is the outside color
20:51:03 raptor inside should be green i think
20:52:53 sam686 the Color:Green works, but it is a bit too much Green,  maybe a green-white mix might do..
20:53:09 raptor does it make the outside or inside greeN?
20:53:19 sam686 also, PSSQUARE and other shapes Color doesn't change nothing..
20:53:22 raptor i think i may have just forgotten a glColor for the inside...
20:53:35 sam686 just the triangle is green, the outside stays white
20:53:45 raptor interesting
20:54:38 sam686 if only i can do  Color:40FF40 ...
20:54:58 raptor ha - that might be a good idea actually
20:55:04 raptor we have that ability in the code
20:55:09 raptor toHexString() or something
20:57:46 sam686 another thing though, my sam test is the latest 018 code..  it has problems with bots not staying in game..
20:58:02 raptor yes, that is the one bug watusimoto is working on
20:58:23 raptor we have to ignore that - unless you think you can figure it out
20:58:33 raptor here is his latest question:  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14655949/why-does-one-work-and-one-crash
20:58:47 raptor he posted about it, hoping for trying to solve it
21:01:20 Little_Apple site was down for a second?
21:01:57 raptor maybe?
21:03:02 sam686 i am having a problem with bitfighter freezes trying to go fullscreen..
21:03:14 raptor is it spiking the CPU?
21:03:24 sam686 it seem to want to try to go fullscreen on second monitor, but instead it just freezes//
21:03:33 raptor hmm..
21:05:16 raptor probably an SDL2 problem with multiple monitors
21:05:37 sam686 this is what I see switching to fulscreen http://sam6.25u.com/upload/fullscreen_problem.png
21:06:09 sam686 sometimes the secondary screen (right side) shows a white border of SDL trying to go sullscreen on that monitor..
21:06:40 raptor but it fails and just sticks in in the middle of both screens?
21:07:12 sam686 other times, it switches a secondary monitor to a higher resolution the monitor don't support and doesn't freeze.
21:08:16 raptor that's no good...
21:08:56 sam686 If I put both my monitor the same resolution, switching to fullscreen works,  but if fullscreen on secondary monitor, switching back to windowed freezes with missing title bar..
21:10:45 raptor hmm...  i wonder if there was a recent SDL2 commit for that..
21:11:51 raptor ok sam686, i need to take a break...  i'll look at the SDL2 commits since our revision in a little while
21:12:45 sam686 then there is the usual problem,   switch to 1024x768, start bitfighter windowed, switch back to higher resolution, then make bitfighter go fullscreen.  The resolution switches back to 1024x768.
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22:12:30 raptor back...  or actually back in abotu 1/2 hour..
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22:38:23 raptor ok back!
22:38:30 raptor Watusimoto: how was fosdem?
22:41:36 Watusimoto hi
22:41:40 raptor hello
22:41:41 Watusimoto it was pretty good
22:41:54 raptor which sessions did you attend?
22:41:54 Watusimoto I added up my total cost... somewhere around 130 euros, including food
22:43:38 raptor that doesn't seem too bad
22:43:39 Watusimoto lots of legal sessions, how to set up a testing framework for games, what java can learn from perl, some scientific computing ones (including radio astronomers dealing with huge data streams), a libre office talk about refactoring, what's new in css, some database stuff... a real hodge podge
22:43:55 raptor wow
22:43:58 raptor all over the place..
22:44:06 Watusimoto the quality was pretty good, generally
22:44:18 Watusimoto I did not meet koda, unfortunately
22:44:26 raptor yeah...  he was looking for you
22:44:41 raptor he said he confronted one person with a hat similar to what you said you'd be wearing
22:44:52 Watusimoto no one else had a red sox cap
22:45:12 Watusimoto he probably met the postgres performance dude
22:45:30 Watusimoto he had a baseball cap and looked very american
22:45:46 Watusimoto but not the red sox!
22:46:06 raptor ha
22:46:36 Watusimoto so I got lots of ideas for refactoring bitfighter!
22:46:51 raptor not before 019 please!
22:46:54 raptor but great!
22:46:55 Watusimoto No
22:46:58 Watusimoto of course not
22:47:23 Watusimoto I do want to get all rendering code into the UIxxx files
22:47:39 Watusimoto we've done some of that already
22:47:41 raptor out of the global namespace would be good
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22:48:38 Watusimoto but in the past I've balked at moving some things, but I'm really not sure why
22:49:11 Watusimoto so... logically... all render code should be in a UIxxx file
22:49:27 Watusimoto maybe all input handling as well
22:50:03 Watusimoto then we can implement stub functions for all the UI stuff... and make a build that we can run tests on!
22:50:16 raptor haha!
22:50:25 raptor and abstract all rendering!
22:50:33 Watusimoto sure!
22:50:34 raptor then port to any framework!
22:50:41 Watusimoto onward!
22:51:01 Watusimoto but yes, this is post 018a/019
22:51:36 Watusimoto one thing I noticed is that foss has a rather striking shortage of women
22:52:03 Watusimoto well, I'd characterize it as a near absence
22:52:18 raptor i believe it
22:52:32 raptor mostly younger evangelical types, i'd imagine (at least in my experience)
22:52:52 Watusimoto some, but it wasn't as bad as you'd think
22:52:53 raptor testosterone-driven collegey types
22:53:02 Watusimoto same response there
22:53:10 raptor oh goood
22:53:13 raptor good
22:53:32 Watusimoto most of the presenters seemed rather... normal
22:53:41 Watusimoto not all, of course
22:53:48 Watusimoto and there were plenty of beards and long hair
22:53:52 raptor maybe the FOSS generation is growing up!  :)
22:54:01 Watusimoto but not as much as you'd think
22:54:26 raptor i actually don't think i've met any beard/long hair types
22:54:29 Watusimoto and it was nice to not work on the lua bug for 2 days
22:54:43 Watusimoto you're in utah.  long hair on a dude is illegal.
22:54:59 raptor hahaha
22:55:48 Watusimoto but the place had a very positive vibe
22:55:49 Watusimoto it was nice
22:55:53 raptor that's good
22:56:01 raptor see any openSUSE guys?
22:56:10 Watusimoto they had a table
22:56:18 raptor because if so: i bet one or two i might know
22:56:23 Watusimoto perhaps so
22:56:42 Watusimoto there were no distro-specific talks that I saw, aside from helenOS
22:56:47 Watusimoto whatever that is
22:57:02 Watusimoto the BSD people were there with a table
22:57:14 Watusimoto I got a bunch of "why you should be using BSD" propaganda
22:57:42 Watusimoto oracle had a table too
22:57:47 Watusimoto that surpised me
22:57:55 raptor so what can java learn from perl?  :)
22:58:35 Watusimoto he talked about communtiy and regular expressions
22:59:00 Watusimoto some other stuff too that I can;t recall at the moment
22:59:21 Watusimoto a lot of it was why java isn;t as bad as you think
22:59:34 Watusimoto and of course it isn't... but it kind of is.
23:00:51 raptor haha
23:02:55 Watusimoto I got to hold one of these, though I missed their presentation because I took a wrong turn on the way to the conference this morning
23:02:57 Watusimoto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console)
23:03:12 raptor OOooo
23:03:19 raptor i've heard of that
23:03:31 raptor although mostly about shortages
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23:04:09 Watusimoto looks pretty neat
23:04:23 Watusimoto their brochure says you can purchase from inventory, no waitlist
23:08:18 raptor runs GNOME2 i think
23:12:44 raptor so for the Lua...  (i'm sorry!)
23:13:01 raptor did you want to try 5.2 for this release?  or wait for 019..
23:13:46 Watusimoto wait, if we can
23:14:11 Watusimoto I'll need to do some work to get it integrated, and I don;t understand it well
23:14:33 Watusimoto so if I can fix our bug via normal means, I'd prefer to do that
23:17:54 Watusimoto so maybe tonight I'll try reverting luaw to 018, but leaving my other mods in place to see if that is the problem
23:18:15 Watusimoto do you know how to revert a single file to a previous revision?
23:18:53 raptor yes, just specify the file as an argument:  hg revert -r <revision> specific_file
23:19:16 Watusimoto ok... it will be easy enough to test then
23:19:31 Watusimoto oh, but first I should check my stack overflow question!
23:19:49 Watusimoto probably all the lua coders were at fosdem \
23:20:47 raptor someone provided a debugging technique
23:21:09 raptor oh and the second one, i went through the entire header and found no = instead of ==...
23:24:07 Watusimoto I just replied to the 2nd one -- that's definitely not it... i wish it were that easy
23:24:34 Watusimoto btw, the =/== mixup, if it existed, would be in s_bot.lua
23:24:52 Watusimoto I'm goint to try the debug idea now
23:26:42 raptor ok
23:26:57 raptor yeah, well, i've been sick this whole week and of lesser mental power...
23:26:58 Watusimoto hmmm.... I never knew you could call pcall from lua... I thought that was only a c++ thing
23:27:05 Watusimoto sorry to hear that
23:28:08 raptor i got to stay home and play lots of bitfighter!
23:28:17 raptor i may have even fixed a bug sometime..
23:28:38 Watusimoto this bug may have reduced my mental powers as well...
23:33:22 raptor haha
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23:48:54 Watusimoto interesting... I just reran bf, and got a segfault in luaw
23:48:59 Watusimoto which I've never seen before
23:49:08 Watusimoto probably from a double delete, somehow?
23:49:19 Watusimoto so fixed that (maybe)
23:49:23 Watusimoto I wonder if that could be releated
23:49:31 Watusimoto possibly
23:49:36 raptor never got that before...
23:49:49 Watusimoto me neither
23:49:58 Watusimoto not really sure how it could happen... but it did

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00:20:04	Lamp89	i made a video about it
01:45:39	Lamp89	quartz y u ban me
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15:09:30	raptor	buenos
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15:57:30	raptor	project of the day: rewrite bflogbot in python... is it possible?
16:07:52	raptor	nope not possible!
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18:46:33	sam686	I am seeing Bitfighter crash trying to load a file in music folder I put in, which is inside a 7z file http://sam6.25u.com/upload/11110440.7z
18:47:03	raptor	really?
18:47:07	raptor	(hi sam686)
18:47:34	sam686	other music player plays immediately with so little RAM usage on big WAV file..
18:48:29	raptor	do i extract the file or play the 7z directly?
18:48:42	sam686	extract, it won't play 7z directly
18:48:56	sam686	I only compressed it so it will be tiny download size..
18:49:43	raptor	how big is that!!!
18:49:48	raptor	please warn me first...
18:49:50	sam686	3.9 GB
18:49:54	raptor	!!!
18:50:14	raptor	ah ok
18:50:16	raptor	yes
18:50:20	raptor	i know the problem
18:50:25	sam686	one of my computer have 16 GB RAM..
18:50:41	raptor	bitfighter SoundSystem loads the entire wav files in memory
18:51:01	raptor	for music, it does it little bit by bit
18:51:19	raptor	i think i set up 2 or 3 buffers of like 100K or so..
18:51:22	sam686	but why does it crash if I put it in music folder?
18:51:44	raptor	i don't know...
18:52:04	sam686	it seem like bitfighter on windows is trying to load the entire WAV into memory..
18:52:17	sam686	check RAM usage when playing music on bitfighter..
18:52:24	raptor	yes... i wonder if the SoundSystem is set to always load the whole WAV file..
18:52:36	sam686	maybe your 64-bit don't have 2/4 GB max ram limit..
18:52:54	raptor	oh you're running on 32bit?
18:53:13	sam686	my windows 7 is 64 bit, but bitfighter.exe is only 32 bit..
18:53:51	sam686	your linux may be totally 64 bit for all programs and stuff like bitfighter..
18:53:57	raptor	yes, it is
19:05:47	raptor	sam686: would you like to do some playtesting? most things are ready for release, i think, except that one Lua bug that watusimoto is working on..
19:13:55	sam686	well ok, but will take about 35 minutes.. Have to eat food..
19:15:31	raptor	ok
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20:08:55	Little_Apple	hello
20:09:30	raptor	hi
20:09:45	raptor	sam686: ready for play testing?
20:10:12	Little_Apple	raptor: just wondering, what was your process for making the core?
20:10:57	raptor	Little_Apple: the Core game type?
20:11:14	Little_Apple	the core model thing whatever
20:12:07	raptor	define making?
20:12:10	raptor	the graphic itself?
20:12:20	raptor	or the whole game object?
20:12:30	Little_Apple	the graphic
20:12:36	raptor	oh, well...
20:12:44	raptor	i actually made it in-code
20:12:57	Little_Apple	did you make it entirely with code or an external program- oh ok
20:13:05	raptor	in-code
20:13:23	raptor	watusimoto had an idea and i just made something similar
20:13:28	Little_Apple	ah
20:13:30	raptor	then we kept revising it
20:13:46	Little_Apple	is it in a specific format or something?
20:14:38	raptor	this was our starting idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HHRCA6CS8k
20:14:48	raptor	i coded it in OpenGL calls
20:15:04	Little_Apple	yea i've seen star castle :P
20:15:07	raptor	so it's just math: draw a polygon, rotate it..
20:16:05	raptor	you can see it here in the code, but it might not make much sense to you: https://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/source/browse/zap/gameObjectRender.cpp#1955
20:16:48	raptor	sam686 did the atom graphic
20:17:32	sam686	was buzy tring to get ps3 controller to work again, got it working now on windows
20:17:49	raptor	was it a driver issue?
20:19:38	sam686	on windows, there is DS3 which can emulate other controllers like Xinput or other mappings.. Turns out a "PCSX2 with pressure sensitive" works with bitfighter's six axis profile
20:20:57	raptor	so no code changes
20:26:09	raptor	ok, i'll try compiling dedicated and set up a server to play test
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20:28:18	raptor	ok sam686, server is up and is runnign in gdb
20:29:08	raptor	removed password... sorry
20:29:54	raptor	got black screen...
20:30:03	raptor	oops
20:30:07	raptor	nope, it crashed
20:30:53	raptor	crash: http://pastie.org/6034837
20:32:23	sam686	crash? I get lagged out..
20:32:34	raptor	test object suite crashes with the above^^
20:32:56	sam686	worm::idle?
20:33:27	raptor	yeah...
20:40:43	raptor	sam686: password is 'test'
20:43:56	sam686	was away for a minute. also kindof changed my button layout, as I was too used to dualAction control, hitting the wrong button during loadout changes. Worst: can only change loadout buttons on joystick_presets.ini
20:46:44	sam686	http://sam6.25u.com/upload/screenshot_101.png (why is triangle white?)
20:46:52	raptor	looking
20:47:02	raptor	the 'strt' one?
20:47:12	raptor	oh weird
20:47:18	raptor	i don't know...
20:47:41	sam686	the triangle button is really green on the controller itself..
20:48:40	raptor	yes - in the ini you can specify it as green, did you do that?
20:50:17	sam686	then I wonder why all of them says Color:White?
20:50:44	raptor	that's weird
20:50:52	raptor	maybe the INI is the outside color
20:51:03	raptor	inside should be green i think
20:52:53	sam686	the Color:Green works, but it is a bit too much Green, maybe a green-white mix might do..
20:53:09	raptor	does it make the outside or inside greeN?
20:53:19	sam686	also, PSSQUARE and other shapes Color doesn't change nothing..
20:53:22	raptor	i think i may have just forgotten a glColor for the inside...
20:53:35	sam686	just the triangle is green, the outside stays white
20:53:45	raptor	interesting
20:54:38	sam686	if only i can do Color:40FF40 ...
20:54:58	raptor	ha - that might be a good idea actually
20:55:04	raptor	we have that ability in the code
20:55:09	raptor	toHexString() or something
20:57:46	sam686	another thing though, my sam test is the latest 018 code.. it has problems with bots not staying in game..
20:58:02	raptor	yes, that is the one bug watusimoto is working on
20:58:23	raptor	we have to ignore that - unless you think you can figure it out
20:58:33	raptor	here is his latest question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14655949/why-does-one-work-and-one-crash
20:58:47	raptor	he posted about it, hoping for trying to solve it
21:01:20	Little_Apple	site was down for a second?
21:01:57	raptor	maybe?
21:03:02	sam686	i am having a problem with bitfighter freezes trying to go fullscreen..
21:03:14	raptor	is it spiking the CPU?
21:03:24	sam686	it seem to want to try to go fullscreen on second monitor, but instead it just freezes//
21:03:33	raptor	hmm..
21:05:16	raptor	probably an SDL2 problem with multiple monitors
21:05:37	sam686	this is what I see switching to fulscreen http://sam6.25u.com/upload/fullscreen_problem.png
21:06:09	sam686	sometimes the secondary screen (right side) shows a white border of SDL trying to go sullscreen on that monitor..
21:06:40	raptor	but it fails and just sticks in in the middle of both screens?
21:07:12	sam686	other times, it switches a secondary monitor to a higher resolution the monitor don't support and doesn't freeze.
21:08:16	raptor	that's no good...
21:08:56	sam686	If I put both my monitor the same resolution, switching to fullscreen works, but if fullscreen on secondary monitor, switching back to windowed freezes with missing title bar..
21:10:45	raptor	hmm... i wonder if there was a recent SDL2 commit for that..
21:11:51	raptor	ok sam686, i need to take a break... i'll look at the SDL2 commits since our revision in a little while
21:12:45	sam686	then there is the usual problem, switch to 1024x768, start bitfighter windowed, switch back to higher resolution, then make bitfighter go fullscreen. The resolution switches back to 1024x768.
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22:12:30	raptor	back... or actually back in abotu 1/2 hour..
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22:38:23	raptor	ok back!
22:38:30	raptor	Watusimoto: how was fosdem?
22:41:36	Watusimoto	hi
22:41:40	raptor	hello
22:41:41	Watusimoto	it was pretty good
22:41:54	raptor	which sessions did you attend?
22:41:54	Watusimoto	I added up my total cost... somewhere around 130 euros, including food
22:43:38	raptor	that doesn't seem too bad
22:43:39	Watusimoto	lots of legal sessions, how to set up a testing framework for games, what java can learn from perl, some scientific computing ones (including radio astronomers dealing with huge data streams), a libre office talk about refactoring, what's new in css, some database stuff... a real hodge podge
22:43:55	raptor	wow
22:43:58	raptor	all over the place..
22:44:06	Watusimoto	the quality was pretty good, generally
22:44:18	Watusimoto	I did not meet koda, unfortunately
22:44:26	raptor	yeah... he was looking for you
22:44:41	raptor	he said he confronted one person with a hat similar to what you said you'd be wearing
22:44:52	Watusimoto	no one else had a red sox cap
22:45:12	Watusimoto	he probably met the postgres performance dude
22:45:30	Watusimoto	he had a baseball cap and looked very american
22:45:46	Watusimoto	but not the red sox!
22:46:06	raptor	ha
22:46:36	Watusimoto	so I got lots of ideas for refactoring bitfighter!
22:46:51	raptor	not before 019 please!
22:46:54	raptor	but great!
22:46:55	Watusimoto	No
22:46:58	Watusimoto	of course not
22:47:23	Watusimoto	I do want to get all rendering code into the UIxxx files
22:47:39	Watusimoto	we've done some of that already
22:47:41	raptor	out of the global namespace would be good
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22:48:38	Watusimoto	but in the past I've balked at moving some things, but I'm really not sure why
22:49:11	Watusimoto	so... logically... all render code should be in a UIxxx file
22:49:27	Watusimoto	maybe all input handling as well
22:50:03	Watusimoto	then we can implement stub functions for all the UI stuff... and make a build that we can run tests on!
22:50:16	raptor	haha!
22:50:25	raptor	and abstract all rendering!
22:50:33	Watusimoto	sure!
22:50:34	raptor	then port to any framework!
22:50:41	Watusimoto	onward!
22:51:01	Watusimoto	but yes, this is post 018a/019
22:51:36	Watusimoto	one thing I noticed is that foss has a rather striking shortage of women
22:52:03	Watusimoto	well, I'd characterize it as a near absence
22:52:18	raptor	i believe it
22:52:32	raptor	mostly younger evangelical types, i'd imagine (at least in my experience)
22:52:52	Watusimoto	some, but it wasn't as bad as you'd think
22:52:53	raptor	testosterone-driven collegey types
22:53:02	Watusimoto	same response there
22:53:10	raptor	oh goood
22:53:13	raptor	good
22:53:32	Watusimoto	most of the presenters seemed rather... normal
22:53:41	Watusimoto	not all, of course
22:53:48	Watusimoto	and there were plenty of beards and long hair
22:53:52	raptor	maybe the FOSS generation is growing up! :)
22:54:01	Watusimoto	but not as much as you'd think
22:54:26	raptor	i actually don't think i've met any beard/long hair types
22:54:29	Watusimoto	and it was nice to not work on the lua bug for 2 days
22:54:43	Watusimoto	you're in utah. long hair on a dude is illegal.
22:54:59	raptor	hahaha
22:55:48	Watusimoto	but the place had a very positive vibe
22:55:49	Watusimoto	it was nice
22:55:53	raptor	that's good
22:56:01	raptor	see any openSUSE guys?
22:56:10	Watusimoto	they had a table
22:56:18	raptor	because if so: i bet one or two i might know
22:56:23	Watusimoto	perhaps so
22:56:42	Watusimoto	there were no distro-specific talks that I saw, aside from helenOS
22:56:47	Watusimoto	whatever that is
22:57:02	Watusimoto	the BSD people were there with a table
22:57:14	Watusimoto	I got a bunch of "why you should be using BSD" propaganda
22:57:42	Watusimoto	oracle had a table too
22:57:47	Watusimoto	that surpised me
22:57:55	raptor	so what can java learn from perl? :)
22:58:35	Watusimoto	he talked about communtiy and regular expressions
22:59:00	Watusimoto	some other stuff too that I can;t recall at the moment
22:59:21	Watusimoto	a lot of it was why java isn;t as bad as you think
22:59:34	Watusimoto	and of course it isn't... but it kind of is.
23:00:51	raptor	haha
23:02:55	Watusimoto	I got to hold one of these, though I missed their presentation because I took a wrong turn on the way to the conference this morning
23:02:57	Watusimoto	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console)
23:03:12	raptor	OOooo
23:03:19	raptor	i've heard of that
23:03:31	raptor	although mostly about shortages
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23:04:09	Watusimoto	looks pretty neat
23:04:23	Watusimoto	their brochure says you can purchase from inventory, no waitlist
23:08:18	raptor	runs GNOME2 i think
23:12:44	raptor	so for the Lua... (i'm sorry!)
23:13:01	raptor	did you want to try 5.2 for this release? or wait for 019..
23:13:46	Watusimoto	wait, if we can
23:14:11	Watusimoto	I'll need to do some work to get it integrated, and I don;t understand it well
23:14:33	Watusimoto	so if I can fix our bug via normal means, I'd prefer to do that
23:17:54	Watusimoto	so maybe tonight I'll try reverting luaw to 018, but leaving my other mods in place to see if that is the problem
23:18:15	Watusimoto	do you know how to revert a single file to a previous revision?
23:18:53	raptor	yes, just specify the file as an argument: hg revert -r <revision> specific_file
23:19:16	Watusimoto	ok... it will be easy enough to test then
23:19:31	Watusimoto	oh, but first I should check my stack overflow question!
23:19:49	Watusimoto	probably all the lua coders were at fosdem \
23:20:47	raptor	someone provided a debugging technique
23:21:09	raptor	oh and the second one, i went through the entire header and found no = instead of ==...
23:24:07	Watusimoto	I just replied to the 2nd one -- that's definitely not it... i wish it were that easy
23:24:34	Watusimoto	btw, the =/== mixup, if it existed, would be in s_bot.lua
23:24:52	Watusimoto	I'm goint to try the debug idea now
23:26:42	raptor	ok
23:26:57	raptor	yeah, well, i've been sick this whole week and of lesser mental power...
23:26:58	Watusimoto	hmmm.... I never knew you could call pcall from lua... I thought that was only a c++ thing
23:27:05	Watusimoto	sorry to hear that
23:28:08	raptor	i got to stay home and play lots of bitfighter!
23:28:17	raptor	i may have even fixed a bug sometime..
23:28:38	Watusimoto	this bug may have reduced my mental powers as well...
23:33:22	raptor	haha
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23:48:54	Watusimoto	interesting... I just reran bf, and got a segfault in luaw
23:48:59	Watusimoto	which I've never seen before
23:49:08	Watusimoto	probably from a double delete, somehow?
23:49:19	Watusimoto	so fixed that (maybe)
23:49:23	Watusimoto	I wonder if that could be releated
23:49:31	Watusimoto	possibly
23:49:36	raptor	never got that before...
23:49:49	Watusimoto	me neither
23:49:58	Watusimoto	not really sure how it could happen... but it did