#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2013-04-24

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01:57:33 bobdaduck lol I was just balancing some classes
02:20:55 raptor hi
03:06:04 bobdaduck let me know when you're up to the whip/nunchuck
03:06:10 raptor not whip!
03:06:14 bobdaduck YES!
03:06:14 raptor ok, nunchuck...
03:06:21 raptor give me the shape
03:10:07 bobdaduck Whip!
03:12:30 raptor no, you're crazy
04:28:22 raptor heading to bed.  night!
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14:53:54 raptor good morning!
14:58:05 raptor I updated the MOTD
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15:45:30 bobdaduck I love when people play my new dungeon and they're all like "what, no engineer?"
15:45:45 raptor heh
15:46:10 bobdaduck Like every single person who's played it so far has said that
15:48:22 raptor good think, too
15:48:37 raptor otherwise you'd have people cheating with the teleporter trick
15:54:03 bobdaduck ENGINEER IS TERRIBLE EVEN FOR DUNGEONS.
15:54:56 bobdaduck Honestly the way the level is designed I doubt it is cheatable by engineer, but I don't want to take the risk or someone will prove me wrong.
15:56:14 bobdaduck Okay I fixed sam's snow script
15:56:21 raptor oh yeah?
15:56:24 raptor as in API update?
15:56:31 bobdaduck yeah
15:57:06 raptor yay
15:58:38 bobdaduck I'ma just upload it to the playeiades thingy for now
15:59:18 raptor playdes!
16:00:06 bobdaduck playedes!
16:02:23 bobdaduck So is the player-joins-ffa-all-mines-turn-hostile bug fixed?
16:03:00 raptor uhhh
16:03:15 raptor please describe it better so I can finally write it down  :)
16:03:22 bobdaduck lol
16:03:32 bobdaduck Okay so in a bitmatch or whatever, if you put down a few mines
16:03:43 bobdaduck when a player joins the match they turn hostile (as in you can't see them anymore.)
16:03:48 bobdaduck this also affects spybugs.
16:04:55 raptor interesting...
16:04:57 bobdaduck Also is the onShipSpawned-doesn't-take-effect-on-level-start on the list of things to fix?
16:05:06 bobdaduck I swear how do you guys not know about all these things
16:05:33 raptor we prefer to spend our time building a game (vs playing the game..)
16:05:34 bobdaduck There's probably a ton of bugs that I don't even know are bugs because I've just learned to accept them for so long
16:06:34 bobdaduck playedes...  I like it.
16:07:49 raptor ok bug written down
16:08:06 raptor bobdaduck: have you played with the new armor module?
16:08:13 bobdaduck in 019?
16:08:16 raptor I'm wondering if it is too powerful now..
16:08:17 raptor yes
16:08:27 bobdaduck I haven't, no.
16:08:40 bobdaduck Last time I booted up 019 was to test watusimoto's tutorial code
16:09:21 bobdaduck Which looks great, by the way.  Obviously it should only go off if "tutorial mode" is turned on or whatever, but the actual design I really like.
16:09:42 bobdaduck Whats the new armor module have?
16:10:10 raptor static const F32 ARMOR_IMPULSE_ABSORBTION_FACTOR = 0.25f
16:10:29 raptor and
16:10:29 bobdaduck Its knockback resistant and blocks 2/3 damage
16:10:30 raptor static const F32 ARMOR_REDUCTION_FACTOR = 0.4f
16:10:42 raptor so it absorbs 75% of knockback
16:10:47 raptor and 60% of damage
16:10:58 raptor before it was 0% knockback and 50% damage
16:11:03 bobdaduck yeah
16:11:10 bobdaduck I think that sounds fine.
16:11:29 bobdaduck Though honestly skylark won't be happy about losing armor-penguin-sliding
16:11:30 raptor but now it's really tank-y
16:11:35 raptor haha, yeah
16:11:55 raptor but he has conceeded that the game should be improved instead of keeping gimmicks
16:11:57 raptor but
16:12:02 raptor it's still slidey
16:12:06 bobdaduck yeah
16:12:11 bobdaduck At least with pulse
16:12:39 raptor so the slidiness is still there, it's just that it absorbs being knocked around as well
16:12:48 bobdaduck yeah
16:12:54 bobdaduck Which is good
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16:13:25 raptor so like running into a really large guy with shoes on an ice skating rink
16:13:42 bobdaduck lol
16:13:48 raptor and he just laughs at you as you go *smush* and he moves 2 inches
16:14:55 bobdaduck okay so #4 on the running bugs list
16:15:02 bobdaduck Who put that there?
16:15:08 raptor I did, in like 017
16:15:15 bobdaduck Yeah, nonissue.
16:15:21 raptor I noticed a subtle difference with how walls operated
16:15:28 raptor and wasn't sure what to do about it
16:16:38 bobdaduck hm?
16:17:53 raptor it seemed like teleporting onto walls (like in many dungeons)
16:18:00 raptor had a behavioral change
16:18:12 raptor like what was once easy to move off of, now you couldn't
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16:19:01 bobdaduck Its if you teleport onto a wall that has more than wall inside of it
16:19:15 raptor yes, that's it
16:19:24 raptor so i just wrote it down to see if anyone cared, really
16:19:28 bobdaduck like in _k's juggernaut level, the walls are circles made from like eighteen walls
16:19:40 bobdaduck But its levelmaker error, not really a bug
16:19:48 raptor we have polywalls now, too
16:19:52 raptor ok
16:19:57 raptor so you think I can cross it off?
16:20:00 bobdaduck cool note though:  This doesn't happen with polywalls if its only one polywall
16:20:00 bobdaduck yeah.
16:20:20 raptor ok
16:22:17 bobdaduck Prizes for BBB?
16:22:38 raptor I don't really have cash to spare for things  :(
16:23:38 bobdaduck yeah
16:23:40 bobdaduck but prizes?
16:24:34 BFLogBot Commit: 303cd39d6fc2 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Hacky way to make it so armored ships can only take 2 asteroid hits (instead of 3) 
16:24:45 bobdaduck lol
16:24:48 bobdaduck Hacky how?
16:25:05 raptor magic numbers!
16:25:17 bobdaduck making asteroids do 1.2 damage instead of 1?
16:25:25 raptor yes
16:25:27 raptor 1.25
16:27:10 bobdaduck So my last thing right now:  onShipSpawned not triggering on level start.  Fix?
16:28:27 bobdaduck wait, one more thing.
16:28:31 bobdaduck One at a time though.
16:29:00 raptor yes that was fixed by kaen
16:29:30 bobdaduck okay
16:29:43 bobdaduck so next:  Shouldn't ships be able to use modules while engineering?
16:29:58 raptor nope
16:30:05 bobdaduck Why not?
16:30:11 raptor that was done on purpose
16:30:14 bobdaduck Yeah I can tell
16:30:18 bobdaduck and it doesn't really make senes
16:30:32 raptor we extended it to doing teleporters
16:30:40 raptor because we thought they may be too powerful..
16:30:52 bobdaduck They're too weak at the moment, methinks
16:31:05 bobdaduck Too powerful?
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16:31:46 raptor baby steps - when introductin a new game changing item, we didn't want to go overboard (that's why seeker could be more powerful)
16:31:50 bobdaduck Thing to note is engineer takes almost full energy.  If you're using another module, you're not going to have enough energy to build the thing
16:32:52 bobdaduck Teleporters are useful on RTS
16:33:13 bobdaduck When you can build 20 projectors to keep the teleporter defended
16:33:56 bobdaduck But if the map doesn't have a designated "invincible teleporter spot" I've yet to see someone actually use a teleporter in a fight
16:34:14 bobdaduck I'd like to see teleporters be more dynamic than that, y'know?
16:34:20 raptor it's a strategic weapon
16:34:23 raptor tool
16:34:28 raptor how?
16:34:58 raptor make them repairable?
16:35:08 bobdaduck hah, that's a start
16:35:18 bobdaduck but that's more just "this makes sense" than it is "this will make them more powerful"
16:36:18 bobdaduck So possible use cases enabling module use with engineer (you can always use two modules at the same time.  It makes more sense that way)
16:36:32 raptor I have no idea where you're going with this (and my mind is honestly focused elsewhere..)
16:36:34 bobdaduck Using boost to place a teleporter exit faster
16:36:45 bobdaduck I just want module use while using engineer
16:36:56 raptor ahhh
16:37:33 bobdaduck Well basically all of them are pretty much "Okay, I'm placing a teleporter so NOW I'M COMPLETELY DEFENSELESS FOR FIVE MINUTES."
16:37:44 bobdaduck And then enabling module use fixes that.
16:38:15 raptor haha
16:38:36 bobdaduck Or you could just delete engineer altogether
16:38:39 raptor peoples are online!
16:38:41 bobdaduck that's an acceptable fix as well
16:42:39 raptor i just scared away all 4 players
16:42:45 bobdaduck lol
16:43:09 bobdaduck They were from a school, weren't they?
16:43:15 raptor not sure
16:43:26 bobdaduck Always a school, this early in the morning
16:44:21 bobdaduck So um
16:44:32 bobdaduck DnD.levelgen and Carnival.levelgen are the exact same length
16:44:59 raptor i suppose we could *try* enabling modules while engineering...  watusimoto1, kaen, what do you think?
16:46:01 watusimoto1 part of the orginal idea when teleport enineering was that you would be defenceless, to make it harder to place good teleporters
16:46:29 bobdaduck I think that worked a little too well
16:46:30 watusimoto1 other than that, I'd say it comes down to creating a usable UI.
16:46:49 raptor hi watusimoto1
16:47:40 raptor we could keep weapons off
16:47:40 bobdaduck Combined with us disabling fast regen while engineering
16:48:01 bobdaduck everyone else would have a combat advantage in energy
16:48:12 bobdaduck Eh weapons doesn't make much senese either
16:48:45 bobdaduck I think disabling fast regen will be enough
16:50:24 watusimoto1 hi
16:50:44 watusimoto1 I'll try anything once!
16:50:48 watusimoto1 but... I have to go
16:50:56 watusimoto1 so see y'all later
16:50:58 raptor bye
16:51:01 bobdaduck gj on
16:51:05 bobdaduck the tutorial code
16:52:03 bobdaduck and bye
16:52:28 watusimoto1 thanks, you can give me more kudos later!  :-)
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17:12:56 bobdaduck raptor you're probably going to need updated DnD code
17:13:05 bobdaduck Well no.  It would just make reintegration easier xD
17:13:15 bobdaduck 'cause I'm making another ranger class
17:13:23 raptor ok, later tonight
17:14:00 bobdaduck right right
17:17:58 bobdaduck Woah
17:18:11 bobdaduck Notepadd ++ collapse and expand function feature is remarkably useful
17:18:15 bobdaduck Why was I not using this before
17:20:59 raptor tricks of teh trade!
17:21:01 bobdaduck help
17:21:05 bobdaduck what do I do
17:21:08 raptor pres F1
17:21:08 bobdaduck when the error message
17:21:12 bobdaduck is bigger than the console itself?
17:21:19 raptor make a bigger console
17:21:35 raptor or adjust console history to keep more
17:22:01 bobdaduck Wha
17:29:32 bobdaduck I got it by going to the bitfighter.server.log or whatever
17:29:36 bobdaduck OOPS THEY'RE OP
17:29:38 bobdaduck WHAT HAVE I DONE
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17:30:13 Watusimoto hi
17:30:24 Watusimoto just on for a couple of minutes
17:31:57 raptor hello
17:35:53 Watusimoto hi
17:39:36 raptor Watusimoto:  do you know why #25 on the running list is occuring?  (when leaving the editor or a game, a level is loaded in the server game)
17:40:18 raptor so if you host (in or out of editor) and leave the game,  ServerGame::cycleLevel() is called again
17:40:20 Watusimoto where have all these bugs come from???
17:40:43 Watusimoto no idea.  Let me try it and see
17:40:45 raptor actually, now that I think about it, this is that same bug about CPU being spiked after leaving a hosted game
17:41:08 raptor the CPU spiked because, at the time, my next level was 'Celtic Arena' and the botzone building was going on
17:42:33 Watusimoto yes, I know why
17:42:46 Watusimoto (proximate cause, not ultimate cause)
17:43:13 Watusimoto it's called by suspendGame
17:43:29 Watusimoto which gets triggered because of suspendIfNoActivePlayers
17:43:45 Watusimoto which is initiated by serverRemoveClient
17:43:52 raptor heh
17:44:01 Watusimoto which happens when onConnectionTerminated us run
17:44:22 Watusimoto >  bitfighter_d.exe!Zap::ServerGame::cycleLevel(int nextLevel)  Line 615   C++
17:44:22 Watusimoto    bitfighter_d.exe!Zap::ServerGame::suspendGame()  Line 866   C++
17:44:22 Watusimoto    bitfighter_d.exe!Zap::ServerGame::suspendIfNoActivePlayers()  Line 921  C++
17:44:22 Watusimoto    bitfighter_d.exe!Zap::GameType::serverRemoveClient(Zap::ClientInfo * clientInfo)  Line 2456  C++
17:44:22 Watusimoto    bitfighter_d.exe!Zap::ServerGame::removeClient(Zap::ClientInfo * clientInfo)  Line 1077   C++
17:44:22 Watusimoto    bitfighter_d.exe!Zap::GameConnection::onConnectionTerminated(TNL::NetConnection::TerminationReason reason, const char * reasonStr)  Line 1873   C++
17:44:27 Watusimoto there's the call stack
17:44:39 raptor mine:  http://pastie.org/7669397
17:44:41 raptor same
17:44:41 Watusimoto should I put that in the case?
17:44:44 raptor so...
17:44:47 raptor already there :)
17:44:50 raptor so
17:45:05 raptor maybe it was my /suspend changes that caused it?
17:45:12 raptor or your gametype changed?
17:45:14 Watusimoto or maybe it's always been like that
17:45:30 Watusimoto I can look more later
17:45:34 Watusimoto but I must go once again
17:45:43 raptor yeah, it has always been like that - but now we're out-of-order somehow
17:45:44 raptor ok
17:45:48 raptor laer
17:45:48 raptor later
17:45:49 Watusimoto we'll fix it
17:45:53 Watusimoto no worries!
17:57:31 raptor I may  need 9 virtual desktops to get my work done now...
17:58:46 bobdaduck DnD is now larger than levelgen carnival :'(
18:08:03 bobdaduck petition:  make zones pop out as 10 x 2 instead of 9 x 3
18:08:57 bobdaduck Because seriously what the heck.
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19:33:23 bobdaduck BAH
19:33:53 bobdaduck I can't figure out how to get a certain point of a swordZone
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19:38:36 bobdaduck In my reasoning I got as far as zoneGeom[#12] but I can't seem to make it work
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19:45:28 bobdaduck HOW MANY KODAS ARE THERE
19:47:40 kaen lol
19:47:42 kaen bobdaduck
19:47:54 bobdaduck sup
19:48:14 kaen zoneGeom[#12] is almost certainly not what you want
19:48:22 kaen zoneGeom[12] maybe?
19:48:24 raptor zoneGeom[#12]  <--  BAD CODE
19:48:48 kaen also, if lua doesn't throw an error on that line then I have lost all faith in it.
19:49:20 bobdaduck lol
19:49:25 bobdaduck Why?
19:49:34 bobdaduck I want the twelthfth point in the zone's array
19:49:49 kaen omg worst syntax decision ever --
19:49:58 kaen then you just want zoneGeom[12]
19:50:09 raptor bobdaduck: no useing the '#' sign
19:50:11 raptor *using
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19:50:27 bobdaduck oh right
19:50:31 bobdaduck # returns length
19:50:34 bobdaduck xD
19:50:35 kaen honestly there is no excuse for a length-of operator
19:50:53 bobdaduck It is used BY SOMEONE in the code several times.
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19:51:27 kaen most ECMAscripten just use .length or (rarely) len()
19:51:43 bobdaduck Because # is the way it tells if a zone is a sword or not
19:51:45 raptor yeah, a method is all that's needed...
19:52:24 kaen I'm not saying it's a bad function, I'm saying the syntax is poorly chosen
19:52:47 kaen point in case, you were lead to believe that it meant "item number 12"
19:52:52 kaen case in point*
19:53:00 bobdaduck nah I just wasn't thinking
19:53:39 raptor yes, the pound is a poor choice
19:53:48 raptor for operator choices, look at perl
19:54:01 Watusimoto hi
19:54:09 BFLogBot Commit: 2592bcb6b819 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Clean up last night's hackiness... better design, same functionality 
19:54:10 BFLogBot Commit: cee658699397 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Activate repair help when further away 
19:54:14 BFLogBot Commit: fe450be123a6 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Merge 
19:54:32 kaen ever seen this in C? : while(x --> 0) { /* stuff */ }
19:54:42 bobdaduck no?
19:54:57 raptor kaen: what?
19:55:01 raptor what is that?
19:55:07 kaen totally works
19:55:12 raptor oh, haha
19:55:15 raptor of course
19:55:17 kaen it's just postdec with a comparison
19:55:19 raptor x-- > 0
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20:29:17 bobdaduck There's room for 8 more classes in DnD
20:30:45 bobdaduck That's assuming I'm doing combinations instead of permutations, and I'm leaving out weapons altogether.  So there could be more but in the current system, just 8
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20:32:44 raptor kaen: if you ever get the chance to test, please load 019, start a level, and change screen modes several times (alt+enter)
20:32:55 raptor and tell me if you see font artifacts
20:33:01 SolumnMushroom I decided to reinstall 12.2 rather than just running the update part
20:38:34 SolumnMushroom Just under 200 packages to go
20:38:52 raptor SolumnMushroom: you're quite persistent
20:39:54 SolumnMushroom I just want it to work.  Because if it doesn't, I have to MAKE it work
20:40:01 bobdaduck xD
20:40:03 SolumnMushroom One way or another
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20:48:11 SolumnMushroom <50 packages left
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20:51:29 SolumnMushroom Done with the download
20:56:24 SolumnMushroom FAIL...
20:56:39 SolumnMushroom Now it won't boot period.
20:57:30 raptor welcome to Linux!
20:59:21 bobdaduck lol
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21:16:33 kaen raptor, I do
21:16:44 raptor a ha!
21:16:47 raptor then i'm not crazy
21:17:27 kaen oh wait...
21:17:40 kaen stale build. for some reason cmake didn't build the bitfighter exe at all
21:18:28 kaen huh. fails silently if sdl-dev isn't installed
21:18:43 kaen builds everything but the client. anyway, testing again
21:28:06 bobdaduck So if I offered to make the BBB winner a custom sword in DnD...
21:28:15 bobdaduck Would that be likely to incentivize at all?  xD
21:34:32 SolumnMushroom Take 5
21:35:35 kaen raptor, yep still get artifacts
21:35:39 kaen also the ship jitters
21:38:30 SolumnMushroom WOO!!!! No reinstall needed!  Just needed to boot from the CD
21:39:22 bobdaduck nice
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21:51:17 SolumnMushroom And that's the only way I can do it...
21:51:45 raptor kaen: jitters?
21:52:15 raptor SolumnMushroom: that means the bootloader on the machine is broke
21:52:30 raptor i think there is a YaST module that helps with reinstalling the bootloader
22:00:22 kaen it jitters about the center of the screen by maybe ten pixels
22:00:41 kaen if it were happening on your machine you'd notice it immediately, I think
22:07:28 SolumnMushroom Getting linux to work.  Slightly more fun than playing Sonic R for the SEGA Saturn.
22:13:33 bobdaduck rofl
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22:21:17 bobdaduck Wuzzy!
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22:23:53 bobdaduck :(
22:23:59 bobdaduck Okay so rapto
22:24:20 bobdaduck There are six module combinations left
22:24:25 bobdaduck And you're assinged to two of them
22:24:30 bobdaduck and I've thrown the rest on Quartz
22:25:15 bobdaduck SO.
22:25:20 bobdaduck Whips and nunchucks.
22:39:04 raptor I just finished a class about electromagnetic physics...  what makes you think I don't want a break from math for a few days?
22:40:00 raptor ok..  really, I like math (it's why I'm still obsessed with improving the triangulation algorithm)
22:40:18 bobdaduck xD
22:40:38 bobdaduck Because of how COOL it would be if you got the whip to work!
22:41:27 raptor well, to be perfectly honest, I've already done plenty of work on that levelgen...
22:41:35 bobdaduck lol
22:42:22 bobdaduck Do you not want to?
22:42:26 bobdaduck 'cause that's fine too.
22:43:14 raptor i don't at the moment...  you'd have to catch me in a mood where I'm not recovering from school, I think
22:43:26 bobdaduck lol alright
22:43:29 raptor :)
22:43:38 bobdaduck Think I could throw it at someone else though?
22:44:04 raptor I'm sure you could - but kaen is really the only other scripter here - and I'm sure he has his own projects...
22:44:20 bobdaduck hm, yes...  Sam, perhaps?
22:44:25 raptor like that editor plugin (which I think would be awesome!)
22:44:53 kaen raptor, which?
22:45:04 raptor polygon object to polygon object
22:45:26 bobdaduck is that the one that's a graphing calculator?
22:45:36 kaen no, it's a different one
22:45:38 raptor I can only imagine the time i'd have saved if I had a plugin like that
22:45:50 bobdaduck What's it do?
22:45:51 kaen like barrier -> polywall
22:46:00 kaen or generally any polygon to any other
22:46:22 bobdaduck hm
22:46:53 raptor you know - draw something with barriers, select it, turn it into loadout zone!
22:46:54 bobdaduck Welp I'ma head out
22:46:58 raptor later
22:46:59 bobdaduck seeyall
22:47:10 kaen bye
22:47:29 kaen I'm actually working on user permissions in pleiades
22:47:31 bobdaduck I'm afraid I don't see the use.  I build my levels pretty much exclusively out of polywalls and then going into the text file and converting those is pretty easy
22:47:38 bobdaduck ANWAY BYE.
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22:47:46 kaen bobdaduck, you have better foresight than I do
22:47:52 kaen just a second too late
22:48:33 raptor yes but...  text editor
22:49:16 kaen anyway, something about querying against data not tied to a cakephp Model thwarts the test fixtures...
22:49:30 kaen so it works but the tests fail because they use data from the production database :x
22:52:46 raptor huh
23:12:32 SolumnMushroom Trying to do 2 things. 1: Compile BF.  2: Get Dropbox
23:12:52 raptor yay BF!
23:13:58 SolumnMushroom The "1-Click 12.2 Install" thing isn't working for me.  Of corse.
23:14:08 raptor of course!
23:15:05 raptor oh
23:15:08 raptor that's because
23:15:09 raptor ppc
23:15:19 raptor there are no ppc RPMs for bitfighter (or most things)
23:15:47 SolumnMushroom Guess I'll have to make one!
23:16:47 SolumnMushroom What's the zypper for png and opengl?
23:17:52 SolumnMushroom I got OpenAL and Zlib, but not PNG or OpenGL
23:19:06 raptor zypper in libpng-devel
23:19:17 raptor if it's available in ppc...
23:19:32 raptor for opengl:   zypper in mesa-devel
23:20:12 raptor oh, you'll need SDL, too:   zypper in libSDL-devel
23:20:23 SolumnMushroom libpng-devel worked
23:21:11 SolumnMushroom 35 packages for mesa
23:22:10 SolumnMushroom Does that tell you anything about ppc support?
23:22:38 raptor wow, i'm suprised...
23:22:45 raptor it seems supported!
23:22:56 SolumnMushroom 66 for libSDL
23:23:32 SolumnMushroom And 0MB will be dedicated to anti-virus
23:23:45 SolumnMushroom Because Linux
23:24:28 raptor security through obscurity!
23:25:26 raptor when your does get hacked, just reinstall!
23:25:31 raptor *your system
23:26:52 SolumnMushroom I need to keep the disc anyway!  I need it to boot!
23:27:07 raptor so what type of computer is it on?
23:27:13 raptor and is it the only OS on it?
23:27:47 raptor for when the time comes:   for i in $( ls ../resource ); do ln -s ../resource/$i; done
23:27:55 SolumnMushroom It is on an iBook G4 and with only 40GB to work with, it is the only OS on it
23:30:51 SolumnMushroom When I ran the command, the terminal said nothing.
23:31:12 SolumnMushroom Is that good or bad?
23:31:15 raptor oh no!  I didn't mean to do it yet
23:31:23 raptor that's OK it's harmless (mostly)
23:31:33 raptor after you compile bitfighter
23:31:48 raptor you'll need to run that in a specific directory.   But were not there yet
23:32:26 SolumnMushroom It's ok.  I kept the .tar.gz just in case
23:32:42 kaen totally harmless to do it ./build , just won't work :)
23:33:06 kaen do it in*
23:33:20 SolumnMushroom Ahh, ok.  Still nice to have a backup
23:34:34 SolumnMushroom So I just run make -j2 /home/*****/Downloads/bitfighter-018a yes?
23:35:05 SolumnMushroom *"make -j2 /home/*****/Downloads/bitfighter-018a"
23:35:29 SolumnMushroom To avoid confusion
23:36:21 SolumnMushroom ***** taking place of my username
23:36:40 raptor ok
23:36:51 raptor in your bitfighter-018a  directory
23:37:17 raptor go into the 'build' directory
23:37:30 raptor and type:   cmake ..
23:37:35 raptor (two dots there)
23:37:48 SolumnMushroom Got it
23:37:53 SolumnMushroom Next
23:37:58 raptor tell us if there were any errors
23:38:04 SolumnMushroom Nope
23:38:20 raptor ok, now, still in the 'build' directory, type 'make -j2'
23:38:46 SolumnMushroom Done.  It's now running
23:39:00 raptor you see the percentages, etc.?
23:39:06 SolumnMushroom Yes
23:39:20 raptor excellent...  now let's hope there are no compiling errors :)
23:39:35 SolumnMushroom My computer's fan is going crazy...
23:40:00 SolumnMushroom libmodplug is causing errors
23:40:21 SolumnMushroom Nonfatal errors, but errors
23:40:55 raptor oh
23:41:02 raptor zypper in libmodplug-devel
23:41:30 raptor hmmm....  i wonder if there are small patches needed..
23:42:57 SolumnMushroom I love working with people who A: know what they are doing and B: can explain it to me when I don't.
23:44:02 SolumnMushroom Now I need to zypper in libvorbis-devel
23:44:16 raptor oh yeah...
23:44:25 raptor and  'speex-devel' and openal-devel
23:44:47 SolumnMushroom I got OpenAL
23:45:13 raptor even the -devel library part?
23:46:10 SolumnMushroom Yup.  That was part of the 5 packages I got during the cmake part.  I used "zypper install openal-devel"
23:46:18 raptor excellent
23:46:56 raptor SolumnMushroom: is your machine architecture considered  'powerpc' or 'ppc64' ?
23:47:12 SolumnMushroom Yup.  reran it, and it gave me a nothing to do.  And it is ppc, not ppc64
23:47:43 SolumnMushroom "Unsupported Target CPU"...
23:48:50 SolumnMushroom Remember when I said "I hate my life"?  It's still true.
23:49:35 SolumnMushroom Stupid TNL...
23:50:11 raptor wait...  TNL said this??
23:50:17 SolumnMushroom Yes
23:50:23 raptor interesting...
23:50:32 raptor looks
23:50:39 raptor you're getting closer!
23:50:52 SolumnMushroom Can you link me to the latest SC of 019?
23:51:09 raptor yes, but you'll need to install 'mercurial' to get it
23:51:25 raptor follow directions here:  http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/source/checkout
23:53:05 SolumnMushroom I'm running zypper in git
23:53:12 raptor not git
23:53:14 raptor mercurial
23:53:27 raptor but it won't hurt to install git
23:54:43 raptor SolumnMushroom: \
23:55:01 raptor can you please run the following command, then paste the output on pastie and send it to me?:    gcc -dM -E - < /dev/null |sort
23:55:24 SolumnMushroom I will one hg is done
23:56:35 raptor ok, I have to run, but i'll be back later
23:56:44 raptor it may be that I need to patch TNL for it to work
23:56:50 SolumnMushroom Ok
23:57:05 raptor you can run that command in a new terminal - it outputs really quickly
23:57:44 SolumnMushroom Woo, multitabs!
23:58:19 raptor use: http://pastie.org/
23:59:19 SolumnMushroom pastie.org/7712257
23:59:33 raptor great!
23:59:35 raptor looking
23:59:46 raptor ha!
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