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01:25:36kodabbhi guys


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07:58:45bobdaduckBFLogBot: Find thumbdrive


08:00:18raptorgood morning!


08:01:11kaenmorning!


08:22:37bobdaduckLogbot should log where I plut my thumbdrive


08:25:01bobdaduckDoes it have that functionality or is that a 019 thing?


08:39:10bobdaduckOkay so


08:39:13bobdaduckNew weapon idea:


08:39:16bobdaduckSelf destruct.


08:39:17bobdaduckThoughts?


08:43:14raptorkaBOOM


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09:28:16bobdaduckkaBOOM


09:28:27raptorkaPOW


09:30:34bobdaduckso self destruct weapon plz


09:30:42raptor/idle!


09:31:57bobdaduck /idle?


09:32:05raptorself-destruct


09:32:15bobdaducklol


09:32:22bobdaduckbut as a weapon that kills things


09:32:53raptorso, run into the middle of a dogfight, KABOOM, everyone dies?


09:33:02bobdaduckYeah pretty much


09:33:45bobdaduckIt will be hilarious and tactical and since it comes with the cost of sending you clear back to spawn it isn't something that you just run around using lightly


09:34:16bobdaduckAlso give it a sort of "oh man he's gonna explode" animation for about a second before it goes off


09:36:53bobdaduckI would take this over suns


09:37:11bobdaduckThough I'm still much more enthusiastic about suns.


09:38:28bobdaduckplus it takes up a weapon slot.


09:44:18raptorhmmm


09:47:55bobdaduckThe only really weird part is calculating KD off of it.  But I figure KD is so meaningless right now that it really doesn't matter


09:48:38raptorI fixed the KD usage with team balancing for 019


09:48:51raptorso it is 'less' meaningless


09:49:21bobdaduckIs it still the silly batting average system?


09:50:27raptori don't remember...


09:50:30bobdaduckCan it still be negative?


09:50:44raptor i don't remember


09:51:16bobdaduckIs it complex and confusing?


09:52:06raptor i don't remember


09:52:16raptorit was such a while ago...


09:52:23bobdaduckThen KD still doesn't matter xD


09:52:40raptorit does for team balancing!  :)


09:53:40bobdaduckHonestly we need to track like turret kills, forcefield kills, suicides seperate from deaths, kill streaks, scores (which needs seperate handling per gametype)


09:55:16kaenpatches welcome.


09:56:35kaenhmm. my girlfriend's little sister appears to have put a chocolate chip cookie in my coffee.


09:57:34bobdaduckGave your coffee an upgrade


09:57:37raptoris it april fool's already?


09:58:25kaenI discovered this because I just finished my cup, and was met by a mushy cookie-like mass


09:58:49raptorhaha


10:00:20kaenultimately, I was like: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jIRFROVXoNo/UR6UwVS0uPI/AAAAAAAACbM/JZ0ClygM0sg/s400/WHITEHOUSEBEER.jpeg


10:05:08bobdaducklol


10:11:00raptoris that supposed to be our commander-in-chief?


10:14:06bobdaduckSupposed to be


10:14:26raptorZaphod Beeblebrox


10:14:30bobdaduckxD


10:14:31raptorthat's all I have to say...


10:14:40bobdaducklol


10:20:18kaenoh boy!


10:20:20kaennil chasing


10:20:28raptorhunt them nil


10:20:47kaengood thing I only have like 20 lines of vector operations


10:20:49kaenNO BIG DEAL


10:20:56raptorha


10:21:21kaenwe should have like a nil cannon


10:21:25kaenit shoots nil projectiles


10:21:31raptorjust a side question - if a teleporter center point is outsize a botzone, then it doesn't get hooked up to the zones


10:21:33kaenand if you touch one you turn into a nil projectile


10:21:41raptoris this correct behavior that we want?


10:21:54kaendefinitely not correct


10:22:10kaenbut how would correctly connect it?


10:22:15bobdaduckrofl


10:22:25raptormaybe do a test for the trigger radius?


10:22:44kaenyeah, add a link if the zone comes with r units of the point


10:22:52kaenokay but then on the usage side


10:23:15kaenwell I guess you could just head towards the center when you want to hit the telporter


10:23:20raptorbecause that's what's breaking repair bot in one of Skybax's levels - he has loads of teleporters with center points in the corners of walls


10:23:27kaenokay, it's incorrect and we don't want it since it's fixable


10:23:33kaenand apparently causing real bugs


10:23:46kaenimho


10:24:13raptorok, so correct fix is -  hook it up if it's within trigger radius of a zone


10:24:19raptoranything else?


10:24:35raptor(i'm having trouble analysing what you just suggested..)


10:25:50raptori'm writing a bug report..


10:31:23raptorissue submitted:  http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/detail?id=215


10:34:25bobdaduckLevelgens manually changing a players team.  Yes or no?


10:50:18raptoruhhh


10:50:20raptormaybe?


10:52:58bobdaduckMaybe!


10:59:15raptoreveryone is working on their contest level?  right?


11:00:21bobdaduckNo because I lost my thumbdrive


11:01:00raptorin the couch cushions?


11:01:33bobdaduckVery possibly


11:06:59raptorhmmm...  kaen is currently working on a level called 'editor.tmp'...  maybe it's for the contest!


11:07:58bobdaduckeditor.tmp is quite the fancy desert


11:08:05bobdaduckdessert


11:08:06bobdaduckwhatever


11:34:52raptormmmm...  desert


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11:47:19Little_Applehello


11:47:43raptorhi


11:49:20bobdaduckbonjour


11:49:50Little_Applebaguette!


11:50:04raptorfreedom fries!


11:50:24raptor(which i think is a stupid term...)


11:50:38Little_Appleits weird, people in paris actually do walk around carrying baguettes.


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11:51:22Little_Applewot wot


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11:51:35Little_Apple..


11:51:45raptori think that is fordcars brother?


11:51:50Little_Applewho on...


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11:57:07bobdaduckIts okay


11:57:17bobdaduckwe don't know who half the people in this irc channel are


11:57:38bobdaduckBut we know that if you mention them by name, the lurkers leave


11:57:50bobdaduckSo don't scare them away because we need to look popular


12:01:33bobdaduckLike I'm not a lurker but I imagine if someone mentioned me I would probably leave too


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12:03:12raptorhaha


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12:26:12Little_Applehello


12:26:26SkybaxHi!


12:26:57raptorhi


12:27:04raptorSkybax: this is your bot problem:  http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/detail?id=215


12:27:32raptorit's why repairbot is braindead after a little bit - it can't find a path to the next location


12:27:39SkybaxOkay


12:28:20Little_Appleoff for now


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12:29:51SkybaxSo in that level, if I move those teleporters into  the green area, the bots won't go braindead?


12:30:35raptorthat's my guess, yes


12:30:51raptorjust the center part needs to be on the green


12:31:05raptorand you can see the green by typing /showzones while testing from the editor


12:34:13SkybaxI'll try that


12:44:25SkybaxThey still go braindead


12:45:52raptorok


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12:46:29raptorwell, when I get home tonight, please send me the level again and I'll test further...   it may be that there was another bug I fixed somewhere..


12:47:59Skybaxhi bobdaduck


12:48:46bobdaducksup yall


12:48:55SkybaxPlaying with braindead bots


12:49:15SkybaxTrying to make them not xD


12:52:23SkybaxI figured out why one of them does it


12:52:52raptorwhy?


12:53:14Skybaxthe zones don't go through 2x2 spaces


12:53:26SkybaxAnd so the bots don't know how to get through them


12:53:55SkybaxThey get stuck navigating the zones


12:54:05raptor2 x 2?


12:54:11SkybaxThat's why if I run into them with my ship, they work


12:54:13raptorthat's really small...


12:54:36raptori updated repairbot on the forums to be less dumb


12:54:58raptorit may or may not help...


12:55:08SkybaxThe ship is 2x2, it can just barely fit through a 2x2 space


12:55:12raptoractually, i don't know how big 2x2 is..


12:55:21raptorah


12:55:27raptorso


12:55:29SkybaxIs there any way I can edit the botzones?


12:55:35raptoryou're talking grid coords


12:55:40SkybaxA bunch of them are wonky on this level


12:55:40SkybaxYes


12:55:53raptorok, that's actually about 50x50


12:56:09SkybaxOkay xD


12:56:16SkybaxYou must be talking pixels


12:56:20raptoryes,


12:56:23raptorwell no


12:56:35raptor*real* coordinates as the game engine sees them


12:56:42SkybaxAhkay


12:56:59raptora 1x1 box in the editor is equal to 25.5


12:57:08SkybaxWell come look at these zones and where the bots fail at navigating


12:57:09raptor(because the gridsize is set to 255


12:57:20raptorok


13:01:15raptorhuh


13:03:53SkybaxIf you follow them all the way to the end of the map, they get stuck whenever the zones get really small


13:04:04SkybaxAround tight corners and such


13:04:47raptorhuh...  odd...


13:05:42SkybaxWhoa. This one got inside a wall


13:09:03raptorwell s_bot seems to have no problem chasing me down...


13:09:15raptorthrough the crazy skinny sections


13:09:17SkybaxHuh


13:09:45Skybaxs_bot is smarter


13:10:07raptorok, then this one is a bot bug...  i'll work on it again tonight


13:10:40kaenah, it's a lovely 104 degrees outside


13:10:40SkybaxOkay


13:10:47SkybaxWonderful xD


13:10:55raptorkaen: where are you again?


13:10:55kaenmaybe I'll go for a walk


13:11:02kaen*go for a melt


13:11:05kaenWashington state


13:11:10raptorwhoa, that's nuts!


13:11:10kaenin the deserty part


13:11:17raptoroh ok


13:11:56kaenthere's a beautiful coast line to the west, fresh mountain air to the east


13:12:05kaenand a hot, dusty desert right in the middle


13:12:59SkybaxI'm on the west side lol


13:13:03SkybaxIt's cold and cloudy here


13:13:11kaenso jealous :<


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13:13:31raptorit's about 95 here in utah valley


13:13:43kaenI'm in the big red spot on this graphic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_(state)#Rain_shadow_effects


13:13:46raptorit'll probably get close to 100  soon...


13:13:54SkybaxHahaha


13:14:16raptorwhat elevation?


13:14:41kaen1100' feet here at the airport


13:14:43raptor(i'm at 4500)


13:16:58raptorha


13:17:09raptori just looked at our year round temperature scale..


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13:17:42raptorwe go from -30 to 108


13:18:08raptorthose are the extremes met in the last 30 years


13:21:13Skybaxraptor, I'm widening the corridors to see if the bots get smarter


13:21:41raptori don't think they will...


13:21:49raptorit's a code thing


13:27:28SkybaxThey have trouble transferring from 4 grid squares to anything less


13:27:40SkybaxIf I make it four wide, they have no trouble


13:27:54raptoryeah...  don't worry about editing your level, i'll fix the logic


13:27:59raptorif s_bot can do it, so can they!


13:28:02SkybaxOkay


13:28:16raptorbut the teleport thingy was a real bug


13:28:21SkybaxYes


13:28:38SkybaxI made sure all the teles were in the zones


13:29:31bobdaduckis there a button to show navzones?


13:30:47raptorin the editor


13:30:51Skybaxyou type /showzones while testing


13:30:51raptortest your level


13:30:59raptorthen /showzones


13:31:00raptoryes


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13:37:16bobdaduckhehe


13:39:13fordcarszap dancing hehe


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13:48:57bobdaduckhehe


13:49:04bobdaduckshh


13:52:24bobdaduckso can bots change modules or what?


13:54:52raptorYES


13:54:59raptorlook at how repair bot does it


13:55:09raptorbut it triggers a memory leak, so use it sparingly


14:03:25SkybaxMemory leaks are fun


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14:10:42raptorSkybax: repairbot is repaired!  enjoy  :)


14:10:43bobdaduckChanging loadout ontick herewego


14:10:48raptorNOOOOOOOOOOOOO


14:11:15SkybaxYay repairbot


14:12:30bobdaduckits okay because I won't add more than like four bots


14:12:36bobdaduckmaybe five


14:13:28raptori never thought repair bot would require so much AI...


14:13:39SkybaxI have three repairbots on one level


14:13:53raptordid you get the new code?


14:13:58SkybaxNot yet


14:15:11SkybaxNow i have it


14:16:02raptorif they work better in your level, i'd like to see...


14:16:17SkybaxOkay


14:16:21SkybaxI'll test it in a sec


14:16:59SkybaxIt's up


14:24:32raptorwell great


14:24:39raptora semi-smart bot


14:24:46SkybaxI like it


14:40:17fordcarshi


14:41:55bobdaduckhi


14:42:09raptorok, bots don't actually fast recharge...


14:42:13raptorwhen still...


14:42:16raptorjust tested


14:42:20SkybaxOkay


14:42:25raptoropened issue:  http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/detail?id=216


14:42:40SkybaxThey are always using repair, tho.. you can tell cause if you fly next to them while damaged, they repair you


14:42:45raptori know


14:42:51raptori edited the code so they didn't do that...


14:42:55SkybaxMkay


14:42:59raptorstill didn't recharge


14:43:05SkybaxMakes sense


14:45:33fordcarsok


14:47:29SkybaxMaybe something in the bot should be coded so after it runs out of energy it waits until the energy is full again... this will make sure it takes advantage of the fast recharge, when the issue is fixed


14:48:12raptorthat's easy..


14:49:28SkybaxI know xD


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15:04:15raptorhuh - no watusimoto today...


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15:07:26SkybaxSpeak of the devil!


15:07:33Watusimotouh oh


15:07:47SkybaxxD


15:08:12raptorour google code issues list is growing...


15:08:55Watusimotoexcellent!


15:08:58SkybaxI'm helping!


15:09:00kaenseconded!


15:09:12Watusimotoraptor: I wanted to ask, how did the python->C notifier conversion go?


15:09:45raptoroh uh...  it didn't.. turns out it would still link against the python libraries


15:10:30raptorso, while there would be a performance increase on the processing (which we don't need) there would be little difference in size


15:10:46Watusimotoah, too bad


15:11:57raptorit was this: http://cython.org/


15:14:45Watusimotoso the libraries don't get compiled?


15:15:17raptorthey do, but they still require the python runtime


15:16:06Watusimotohow's that?  that makes no sense.  that would suggest they are only compiled to pyc files, which is kind of what you are trying to move beyond


15:16:39SkybaxMy brother wants me to learn python because he says the Raspberry Pi runs off python


15:19:43raptorit would compile your code into a shared library


15:20:15raptorso if you ran it, and it contained some standard python library, it would link the python27.dll


15:20:45raptorbut i honestly didn't delve too deep with it


15:22:31raptorhttp://wiki.cython.org/EmbeddingCython


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15:51:47raptoras sson as I'm less sleep-deprived, I'll continue with the Lua fixes, I promise..


15:52:02raptorthey require a certain state of mind..


15:53:23bobdaducklol


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16:34:06raptori just realized that repair bot fulfills the role of having repair noobs on your team


16:44:38SkybaxHahaha you just now realized that? xD except they have way better aim than repair noobs


16:59:37raptorheading home!


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17:31:32SkybaxWelcome baaack


17:31:42raptorhi


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22:17:43fordcarslater guys,off to bed


22:18:11raptornight


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22:28:51raptoryay LuaW land again!


22:45:25raptorit's not crashing!


22:46:12raptorkaen: you around?


22:46:42raptorwhat was that crash with editor plugins that amgine kept talking about?  I want to test to see if it is gone now...


22:50:12kaenI could not get any details from him


22:50:25kaenit was c. LuaWrapper.h:304


22:51:23raptorok, well, i fixed the dangling pointer issue


22:51:27raptorbut it's ugly!


23:06:39raptornow for a final valgrind...


23:22:47raptorwhich failed


23:22:57raptorI'm beginning to hate our LuaProxy system...


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