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| 04:25:04 | Nothing_Much | Good mornin' |
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| 06:01:00 | Nothing_Much | Good morning everyone |
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| 07:32:02 | kaen | morning |
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| 07:51:41 | raptor | good day! |
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| 08:47:02 | raptor | ok, i got the single post pages styled right.. |
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| 10:03:17 | raptor | status widget added! |
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| 10:06:46 | Nothing_Much | Is Watusimoto still around? |
| 10:12:30 | raptor | he's hiking in some scandinavian mountains at the moment |
| 10:12:35 | raptor | should be back within a couple days |
| 10:12:48 | Nothing_Much | Ah nice. Oh and if possible, you could update your Desura page for testers for the next release, unless that's for devs only.. Or you could just post a new announcement stating that 019 may be released soon! :D |
| 10:13:48 | raptor | I must decline - since we don't follow a release schedule, an announcement would only hinder progress |
| 10:14:13 | raptor | also, we only like a limited testing from those in this channel |
| 10:14:33 | Nothing_Much | Ah okay |
| 10:14:34 | raptor | if it's too many people, then people start using the beta as a release |
| 10:14:44 | Nothing_Much | That's understandable |
| 10:15:06 | raptor | sorry |
| 10:15:08 | Nothing_Much | But it doesn't have to follow a release schedule, unless you mean that you don't know when it'll be released :P |
| 10:15:20 | raptor | we don't know :) |
| 10:15:24 | raptor | since this is our hobby |
| 10:16:58 | Nothing_Much | That's a good thing that you view this as a hobby, makes things a lot less stressful and you still have a very nice community. Just make sure to keep Desura up to date when the release is.. released :) |
| 10:17:11 | raptor | oh yes, you bet |
| 10:17:32 | raptor | is Desura still a decent size? now that Steam has released for Linux.. |
| 10:18:07 | Nothing_Much | Absolutely, well, Steam is kinda a mixed bag for a lot of people, I would call it the "Windows effect" |
| 10:18:27 | Nothing_Much | People use it because there's nothing else better than that, but it's also a pretty unstable program |
| 10:19:07 | Nothing_Much | Well, maybe not "better" per sae, but everybody uses it to the point where everything else is labeled inferior |
| 10:19:33 | raptor | ah |
| 10:20:12 | Nothing_Much | Yeah, Steam is a terrible program, especially for most indie games |
| 10:28:19 | Nothing_Much | *Desura is still a decent size* in case I worded what I said wrong |
| 10:28:35 | raptor | heh |
| 10:28:36 | raptor | ok |
| 10:28:38 | raptor | thanks |
| 10:31:29 | Nothing_Much | np |
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| 12:12:14 | raptor | i wonder if we should move to nginx |
| 12:16:01 | Nothing_Much | nginx? |
| 12:16:06 | Nothing_Much | what's that? |
| 12:16:28 | raptor | different web server |
| 12:16:52 | Nothing_Much | what's a web server do? just hosts the website? |
| 12:17:24 | raptor | not hosts - it's the engine that serves up the site |
| 12:18:05 | Nothing_Much | ohh, so web browsers can use it? |
| 12:19:43 | raptor | yes |
| 12:20:30 | Nothing_Much | Ah ok |
| 13:15:50 | kaen | hello |
| 13:15:56 | kaen | how areyou |
| 13:20:45 | kaen | bryans girlfriend here |
| 13:21:00 | raptor | hi kaen |
| 13:21:14 | raptor | or.. was it.. Sparks? |
| 13:21:25 | raptor | I am doing well, thanks |
| 13:22:00 | kaen | its spicey lol |
| 13:22:11 | raptor | Spicey... that's right |
| 13:22:15 | kaen | i havnt played in awhile |
| 13:22:30 | kaen | and if your wondering why its spicey its cause my last name is spicer..lol |
| 13:22:37 | raptor | heh |
| 13:23:17 | kaen | so you program? Bryan programs foreverrrrrrr sometimes. |
| 13:23:29 | raptor | I do |
| 13:23:35 | raptor | I'm one of the other developers |
| 13:23:54 | kaen | Its really amazing to me! It looks complicated. |
| 13:24:36 | raptor | it is complicated... and amazing! |
| 13:25:03 | raptor | it's a fun hobby though |
| 13:25:53 | raptor | (amazing - not amazing that we do it; rather amazing that we *can* do such cool things with programming!) |
| 13:27:31 | kaen | Agreed :) |
| 13:27:50 | kaen | I sometimes watch him for a while, its pretty fun to watch. |
| 13:30:39 | raptor | we'll eventually release a new version here... someday |
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| 15:55:14 | thread_ | I made yet another... level? |
| 15:56:13 | raptor | is that a question or an operator on the word 'level' |
| 15:56:44 | thread_ | ummm... touche? |
| 15:57:05 | raptor | :) |
| 15:57:29 | thread_ | who wants to see? |
| 15:57:31 | raptor | hey thread_, first impression of our tentative new website?: http://bitfighter.org/bitpress/ |
| 15:57:38 | raptor | i'll see! |
| 15:58:04 | thread_ | come to test of thread |
| 15:58:43 | raptor | punching... punching... |
| 15:58:44 | thread_ | hopefully the server is showing |
| 15:58:56 | raptor | i see a 67* IP address |
| 15:59:16 | raptor | but got 2 connection terminateds |
| 15:59:33 | thread_ | hmm. maybe my network isn't being nice again |
| 15:59:35 | raptor | 018a? |
| 15:59:42 | thread_ | yea. |
| 16:02:07 | thread_ | ip is 192.168.3.28 I think |
| 16:02:14 | raptor | that's your internal one |
| 16:02:45 | thread_ | ipconfig only gives me other ipv6 addresses. that was the only v4 |
| 16:03:11 | raptor | it's the one your router gives you |
| 16:03:31 | raptor | you have an external one that begins with 67... you can see it from whatismyip.com |
| 16:04:28 | thread_ | that tells me 162.219.43.110 |
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| 16:07:00 | thread__ | the new site looks good |
| 16:07:10 | thread__ | but I may have missed something you said |
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| 16:07:59 | | thread__________ ________________________________________________________________________ |
| 16:08:34 | thread__________ | I take it you can't find my server? |
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| 16:09:02 | raptor | not with that IP |
| 16:09:58 | thread__________ | AAAAWWWWW... what is the pelisides url so I can put it there for you to see |
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| 16:10:25 | raptor | uh |
| 16:10:30 | raptor | http://bitfighter.org/pleiades/ |
| 16:13:22 | thread_ | kk its up. you try hosting it and let me join? "Super Space Bros" |
| 16:13:43 | thread_ | or /dlmap thread_super_space_bros |
| 16:18:32 | raptor | ok |
| 16:20:46 | raptor | hmmm... it'll have to wait a bit, I have to go grind some wheat (sorry) |
| 16:20:47 | thread_ | what server do I want to join? |
| 16:20:52 | thread_ | ah ok |
| 16:23:51 | raptor | ok |
| 16:23:58 | raptor | join the server 69.169.. |
| 16:24:38 | raptor | what have you done... |
| 16:25:55 | thread_ | theres a password |
| 16:26:08 | raptor | not anymore.. |
| 16:26:10 | raptor | sorry |
| 16:31:40 | thread_ | hahaha. im so crazy sometimes |
| 16:31:44 | raptor | abominibly brilliant |
| 16:32:03 | thread_ | I will take that as a compliment... even though its 50% not |
| 16:34:04 | raptor | :) |
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| 17:14:28 | kaen | hi all |
| 17:14:33 | raptor | hi |
| 17:15:37 | kaen | well, she was well-behaved here |
| 17:15:42 | raptor | heh |
| 17:15:49 | kaen | you should have seen what she did in #reddit ... |
| 17:15:55 | raptor | i tried to be kind... |
| 17:16:05 | kaen | :) |
| 17:16:23 | raptor | there's an irc channel for reddit |
| 17:16:24 | raptor | ? |
| 17:16:26 | kaen | I think you bored her so she left this one alone |
| 17:16:33 | kaen | on snoonet (reddit's irc server) |
| 17:16:37 | raptor | that's.. horrid |
| 17:17:18 | kaen | you seem to have an accurate picture of the quality of discussion in there |
| 17:17:23 | Nothing_Much | what happened? |
| 17:17:37 | kaen | my girlfriend got on my laptop while I was cooking for her... |
| 17:18:07 | Nothing_Much | oh, is everything alright or did something happen? |
| 17:18:11 | kaen | and I was on the desktop with my irc client, so she was chatting under my username |
| 17:18:15 | kaen | yeah everything's fine |
| 17:18:19 | kaen | she's just a prankster |
| 17:18:27 | Nothing_Much | ah okay lol |
| 17:18:37 | raptor | i've seen very little of redeeming value with anything to do with reddit |
| 17:18:54 | kaen | r/programming has become way better than hackernews |
| 17:18:59 | kaen | that's pretty much all I do |
| 17:19:17 | raptor | well i stopped short of asking her thoughts on life, the universe, and everything |
| 17:19:34 | kaen | also, r/javascript is a good place to watch people call incorrectly call immediately-invoked anonymous functions "closures" |
| 17:19:41 | kaen | which is always good for a chuckle |
| 17:19:52 | raptor | heh |
| 17:20:21 | Nothing_Much | raptor, you need to search for the good subreddits |
| 17:20:29 | Nothing_Much | there's a few I frequent |
| 17:20:36 | Nothing_Much | which are pretty good |
| 17:20:55 | kaen | yeah, once you get off the front page and into more specialized subs the quality goes way up |
| 17:21:04 | Nothing_Much | yeah |
| 17:21:11 | Nothing_Much | the defaults can go screw themselves |
| 17:21:20 | raptor | ah ok |
| 17:21:42 | raptor | i only have a history up ending up in dumpsters, on that site, though |
| 17:25:00 | Nothing_Much | you mean you were eaten alive? :( |
| 17:25:17 | raptor | no no.. i don't comment |
| 17:25:22 | raptor | that's crazy |
| 17:25:30 | kaen | I comment! |
| 17:25:36 | kaen | on r/programming all the time |
| 17:25:38 | Nothing_Much | Yeah me too |
| 17:25:42 | Nothing_Much | on a bunch of random subs |
| 17:25:46 | Nothing_Much | that I enjoy |
| 17:26:09 | raptor | but just garbage - like my 4 year old can think clearer than some of the self-proclaimed elitists... |
| 17:26:20 | raptor | but i digress... |
| 17:26:21 | kaen | ohhhh yeah |
| 17:26:39 | Nothing_Much | oh, reddit has a few of those.. |
| 17:26:47 | kaen | that's why I used to hate reddit |
| 17:26:55 | kaen | my introduction was through SRS/MRA drama |
| 17:27:01 | raptor | 'few' was an understatement |
| 17:27:05 | kaen | and it gets much worse from there ... |
| 17:27:07 | Nothing_Much | surprisingly, the nicest subreddit I've seen so far was r/ubuntu |
| 17:27:11 | raptor | ha |
| 17:27:44 | Nothing_Much | srs/mra? |
| 17:28:02 | kaen | ohohohoh |
| 17:28:08 | Nothing_Much | uh.. |
| 17:28:10 | Nothing_Much | just googled it |
| 17:28:14 | Nothing_Much | I got the gist of it >.> |
| 17:28:16 | kaen | ok |
| 17:28:52 | Nothing_Much | ... |
| 17:29:04 | Nothing_Much | How did you manage to get into that thing? O.o |
| 17:29:10 | kaen | uh |
| 17:29:16 | kaen | 4chan ... |
| 17:29:24 | Nothing_Much | eek |
| 17:29:37 | Nothing_Much | that website is so much worse than reddit in many ways |
| 17:30:20 | kaen | no doubt |
| 17:30:28 | Nothing_Much | you still go there? |
| 17:30:44 | kaen | not in a couple years |
| 17:31:01 | Nothing_Much | *chans are typically dangerous places |
| 17:31:34 | Nothing_Much | I'm sure most have lightened up since the internet's become so mainstream full of facebook posts and silly people |
| 17:31:57 | Nothing_Much | but there's no way I'm ever going to one again |
| 17:32:25 | kaen | it's sort of like grabbing a white-hot iron rod |
| 17:32:41 | Nothing_Much | or purple/blue-hot rod |
| 17:33:04 | kaen | at first it's excruciatingly painful, and everything in you says to stop |
| 17:33:16 | kaen | but once the nerves have been cauterized, it's no big deal |
| 17:33:24 | Nothing_Much | uh.. |
| 17:33:27 | Nothing_Much | I beg to differ |
| 17:33:33 | kaen | lol :P |
| 17:33:45 | Nothing_Much | 1 picture sealed the deal for me with that ;_; |
| 17:34:20 | Nothing_Much | well, anyways, new discussion |
| 17:34:59 | raptor | sooo... |
| 17:35:14 | raptor | kaen: am i missing anything on the new site? |
| 17:40:28 | Nothing_Much | ... I just realized that I can play BF on this new/old iMac I just got! |
| 17:40:45 | raptor | oh? |
| 17:40:50 | raptor | what OS? |
| 17:41:07 | Nothing_Much | snow leopard, which is the max for this one |
| 17:41:16 | Nothing_Much | 2006 core duo |
| 17:42:26 | Nothing_Much | I hear it supports down to Tiger (10.4) right? |
| 17:42:48 | raptor | yes... |
| 17:43:00 | raptor | for 019 at least |
| 17:43:11 | raptor | but we may drop 10.4 soon |
| 17:43:24 | Nothing_Much | ah, so no more ppc? |
| 17:43:33 | raptor | ppc will still work |
| 17:43:41 | raptor | but it'd have to be 10.5 |
| 17:43:49 | Nothing_Much | and Linux distros as well? |
| 17:43:54 | raptor | 10.4 is just getting *really* old |
| 17:43:59 | raptor | oh yeah |
| 17:44:05 | raptor | Linux forever.. |
| 17:45:00 | Nothing_Much | nice! |
| 17:55:34 | raptor | or at least until kaen and I leave... |
| 17:56:10 | kaen | heh |
| 17:56:17 | Nothing_Much | aww :( |
| 17:56:37 | raptor | i honestly am not sure if watusimoto could handle the linux part anymore... |
| 17:57:05 | kaen | well, how many non-dev players actually play on linux? |
| 17:57:10 | | kaen eyes Nothing_Much |
| 17:57:19 | Nothing_Much | >.> |
| 17:57:38 | raptor | haha |
| 17:57:48 | Nothing_Much | I really wish I could develop.. |
| 17:57:51 | kaen | so anyway, from a pragmatic perspective, if you and I were to leave there'd be no reason to maintain the linux port |
| 17:58:03 | Nothing_Much | or at least package the linux version |
| 17:58:40 | kaen | we dont' really have a problem packaging bitfighter |
| 17:58:49 | kaen | we have a hell of a time getting it into community repos though |
| 17:59:07 | kaen | er non-community |
| 17:59:07 | Nothing_Much | you mean like in a distro? |
| 17:59:08 | kaen | like main |
| 17:59:11 | kaen | yeah |
| 17:59:17 | kaen | like, we're in the AUR |
| 17:59:26 | kaen | but not Arch repo proper |
| 17:59:36 | raptor | I should get it into openSUSE standard... |
| 17:59:43 | raptor | but debian would be the key |
| 17:59:47 | kaen | debian would be the key |
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| 18:00:11 | Nothing_Much | hmm.. maybe if you guys were to keep BF on Desura only, alongside the standalone downloads on your website, that would take some pressure off |
| 18:00:53 | kaen | getting into mainstream linux repos would be a huge boon to us |
| 18:01:00 | kaen | (imo) |
| 18:01:35 | kaen | because if linux is the only platform you've got, bitfighter is a good contender for free real-time online gameplay that isn't vaporware |
| 18:01:42 | raptor | well, with poly2tri now... we should stand a better chance |
| 18:01:56 | Nothing_Much | what's poly2tri? |
| 18:02:06 | kaen | well, with poly2tri we at least move past "non-starter" status |
| 18:02:11 | raptor | heh |
| 18:02:17 | kaen | but we need to get our deps normalized |
| 18:02:41 | kaen | and get a final word on lua-vec which was a gray area |
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| 18:04:34 | raptor | what was the issue with lua-vec? |
| 18:07:26 | kaen | not sure whether it needs to be packaged |
| 18:07:59 | kaen | I guess lua is an exception because they specifically recommend having a copy in-tree |
| 18:08:47 | Nothing_Much | hmm.. |
| 18:09:51 | kaen | but 100% for sure we'd have to package tnl |
| 18:10:22 | kaen | which means we'd probably have to take maintainership of the package |
| 18:10:37 | kaen | as well as gut out the bitfighter-specific stuff that's been grafted onto it |
| 18:12:03 | raptor | what |
| 18:12:06 | raptor | that's... |
| 18:12:15 | raptor | i'm not sure I want to do that |
| 18:12:31 | kaen | yeah... that's sort of where I threw my hands up |
| 18:12:48 | kaen | packaging tnl would have minimal benefit for the community anyway |
| 18:12:51 | raptor | they've gotta still accept it |
| 18:13:01 | raptor | there's no way they'd *ever* accept a project like this: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=freeorion |
| 18:13:11 | raptor | if they didn't allow for customized libs... |
| 18:14:44 | raptor | freeorion uses a customized version of the UI toolkit calld GiGi |
| 18:15:03 | raptor | it's a semi-dead library that they had to fork and improve just for freeorion |
| 18:16:37 | kaen | wow you're right! |
| 18:16:42 | kaen | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=499635 |
| 18:16:55 | kaen | is thread about not allowing the package into debian |
| 18:17:04 | raptor | haha |
| 18:18:01 | Nothing_Much | kaen, imo I don't think adding bf to the official repos to any distro would affect too much.. *sorry if I'm disrupting!* |
| 18:18:15 | kaen | ok, so I need to talk to that guy |
| 18:18:16 | raptor | debain <-- would affect a lot |
| 18:18:19 | kaen | it's fine Nothing_Much |
| 18:18:22 | raptor | *debian |
| 18:18:34 | kaen | but yeah, just the discoverability of being in the games repo of a large distro would help |
| 18:18:38 | kaen | especially over the long run |
| 18:18:43 | kaen | plus debian feeds ubuntu |
| 18:18:54 | Nothing_Much | you should be aiming for Ubuntu mostly |
| 18:19:18 | kaen | indeed |
| 18:19:19 | Nothing_Much | since ubuntu's still technically the most well known distro out there |
| 18:19:39 | Nothing_Much | and I think it would be easier since they don't have strict policies like Debian has when it comes to the freedom aspect |
| 18:19:53 | kaen | we've actually fixed our "freedom" problems |
| 18:19:58 | kaen | that was the poly2tri ordeal |
| 18:20:09 | kaen | we just have structural/subpacking problems |
| 18:20:18 | kaen | which now appear not to be problems at all |
| 18:20:33 | kaen | but I'm going to talk the mentors again and see what they say about this |
| 18:21:06 | raptor | i don't know of *anyone* that uses openTNL |
| 18:21:08 | raptor | and.. |
| 18:21:17 | raptor | and... we've upgraded it to support more platforms |
| 18:21:22 | raptor | I fixed PPC and ARM compilations |
| 18:21:43 | kaen | openTNL is actually a pretty terrible network library by today's standards |
| 18:21:52 | kaen | packaging it would benefit essentially zero people |
| 18:22:11 | kaen | in fact it would be more harmful |
| 18:22:21 | kaen | in case some poor misguided soul decided to use it for a new project ... |
| 18:22:26 | raptor | haha |
| 18:22:56 | raptor | i'm curious (since I don't know anything about networking libraries) what are some of the bad things? |
| 18:26:21 | Nothing_Much | have you guys tried to get into Ubuntu first? |
| 18:26:39 | raptor | no... they already have it in playdeb |
| 18:26:47 | Nothing_Much | playdeb? |
| 18:27:00 | raptor | or getdeb games, whatever it's called |
| 18:27:37 | Nothing_Much | it looks a bit outdated |
| 18:27:38 | Nothing_Much | .. |
| 18:27:45 | kaen | one of the really bad "smells" is the use of improper network synchronization terminology |
| 18:27:54 | kaen | "ghost" should really be "replica" |
| 18:28:09 | kaen | "pack/unpackupdate" should be (de)serialize |
| 18:28:26 | raptor | yeah, 'ghost' took my a while to wrap my head around |
| 18:28:37 | kaen | excatly, I find "replica" much more intuitive |
| 18:28:50 | kaen | isReplica() would have taken me like two seconds to understand |
| 18:29:07 | raptor | do you know of any technical or algorithmic problems or lacking features? |
| 18:29:15 | kaen | and then the NetObject interface is terrible, especially concerning its onFoo |
| 18:29:15 | raptor | seems like it can pack tight enough |
| 18:29:23 | kaen | oh, it packs super tightly |
| 18:29:30 | kaen | but that's like every solid network lib out there |
| 18:29:58 | kaen | that's like the baseline of functionality for a performance lib, being able to pack at the bit level |
| 18:30:12 | kaen | but everything built on top of that is shaky |
| 18:30:18 | kaen | also, lacking ipv6 which is also standard now |
| 18:30:36 | Nothing_Much | is ipv6 finally catching on? |
| 18:30:41 | kaen | I have no idea |
| 18:30:47 | kaen | but it's reasonably well supported |
| 18:31:08 | Nothing_Much | Last I checked, it still hasn't, but it would be pretty good if you guys supported ipv6 :O |
| 18:33:14 | raptor | ipv6... i've looked into supporting it twice |
| 18:33:21 | raptor | each time I had to turn back screaming |
| 18:33:35 | Nothing_Much | :( |
| 18:33:54 | Nothing_Much | ipv4 is still used in almost every single game that comes out nowadays though |
| 18:33:56 | kaen | here's the interface for the equivalent of a NetObject in Raknet: |
| 18:33:57 | kaen | http://www.jenkinssoftware.com/raknet/manual/Doxygen/classRakNet_1_1Replica3.html |
| 18:34:15 | kaen | look at all those virtuals |
| 18:34:37 | kaen | the granular control of functionality available through subclassing |
| 18:35:29 | kaen | TNL doesn't even approach that level, and this is why we see goofy logic in onAddedToGame and friends |
| 18:35:35 | raptor | oh wow |
| 18:35:54 | kaen | and a big part of why it's so hard to implement asynchronous processes (except through RPC chaining) |
| 18:36:30 | raptor | well.. if we did decide to move to another network lib... what would you consider a good one? |
| 18:36:55 | raptor | (or 2 or 3) |
| 18:37:00 | raptor | actually.. dinner! |
| 18:37:09 | Nothing_Much | have a good one |
| 18:37:32 | kaen | if we port to js then we can use wasabi :P |
| 18:37:35 | kaen | but it sucks too |
| 18:37:37 | raptor | hahaha |
| 18:37:58 | kaen | (mostly because I've been hacking on bf so much) |
| 18:44:57 | YoshiSmb | new level: |
| 18:44:58 | YoshiSmb | http://bitfighter.org/pleiades/levels/view/71 |
| 18:45:05 | YoshiSmb | http://bitfighter.org/pleiades/ |
| 18:45:48 | YoshiSmb | http://bitfighter.org/pleiades/levels/view/76 |
| 18:45:52 | YoshiSmb | this is the correct. |
| 18:46:10 | kaen | hey cool! |
| 18:46:28 | YoshiSmb | hehe... thanks! |
| 18:47:33 | Nothing_Much | kaen, imo if you guys are a bit stressed with packaging for so many distros, I would recommend just sticking to Desura for now and expose your game throughout the community/forums on Desura, and only have it available on Desura alongside your standalone downloads on the main page. I hope you guys figure out what you'd like to do though, if you're getting a little stressed. |
| 18:47:49 | Nothing_Much | oh, nice maps YoshiSmb |
| 18:48:00 | YoshiSmb | thank you. |
| 18:48:17 | YoshiSmb | or thanks. |
| 18:48:24 | YoshiSmb | Whatever. |
| 18:48:29 | Nothing_Much | Either is good :P |
| 18:52:35 | YoshiSmb | i spent 15 minnutes making it. :D |
| 18:52:59 | Nothing_Much | Cool! |
| 18:59:52 | Nothing_Much | *stressed with Linux packages |
| 19:05:38 | raptor | hi again |
| 19:05:46 | Nothing_Much | wb |
| 19:06:10 | raptor | not too stressed with Linux packages - I use the OBS which makes it easy, and many distros eventually get to bitfighter |
| 19:07:32 | Nothing_Much | raptor, ohh, sorry I got a little worried, it sounded as if something would (or wouldn't) happen with Linux after a while |
| 19:07:49 | raptor | oh no, haha, I didn't mean to give that impression |
| 19:08:06 | raptor | just that if kaen and I were to magically disappear, then we'd need another Linux maintainer |
| 19:08:08 | raptor | (and OSX) |
| 19:09:04 | Nothing_Much | Ah, well as long as you keep this game a'going as a hobby, I'm sure it'd be kept alive for quite some time |
| 19:11:37 | Nothing_Much | oh, and just a little fyi, Apple's safari has the same issue with the homepage with the exact same resolution lol |
| 19:11:49 | raptor | ok |
| 19:11:59 | raptor | then i guess it's time to replace it! :) |
| 19:12:03 | raptor | (soon) |
| 19:12:14 | Nothing_Much | that other website looks beautiful I have to say |
| 19:12:19 | Nothing_Much | :D |
| 19:12:36 | Nothing_Much | it was uh.. wordpress |
| 19:13:02 | raptor | yes |
| 19:14:21 | Nothing_Much | nice |
| 19:19:26 | YoshiSmb | http://bitfighter.org/pleiades/levels/view/76 |
| 19:19:30 | YoshiSmb | :) |
| 19:20:51 | raptor | just fyi, pleiades will be wiped before 019 release |
| 19:22:26 | Nothing_Much | what are pleiades? |
| 19:22:43 | raptor | it's the level database that kaen wrote |
| 19:22:53 | Nothing_Much | Oh nice |
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| 20:01:27 | Nothing_Much | Is bitfighter a hackable game? >.> |
| 20:01:44 | raptor | sure is! (it's open source) |
| 20:02:02 | Nothing_Much | I mean like.. cheatable.. in game.. |
| 20:02:30 | raptor | we try to keep it so the server is king |
| 20:02:48 | raptor | so a hacked client is just overrided by the server |
| 20:03:06 | raptor | but you could put up a hacked server |
| 20:03:18 | Nothing_Much | Well, a friend of mine was able to use infinite shield using a "windows cheat" program of some sort |
| 20:03:33 | Nothing_Much | or just "cheat engine" |
| 20:03:41 | raptor | was he hosting the game? |
| 20:04:10 | Nothing_Much | he said he was on a bot server |
| 20:04:15 | raptor | because I doubt he could do that on one of the community servers |
| 20:04:35 | raptor | he migh thave been able to make it look like he had infinite shield, but the server would still allow him to get hit |
| 20:04:53 | Nothing_Much | Huh. Interesting |
| 20:05:05 | raptor | unless he hosted his own server |
| 20:05:18 | raptor | then anything goes! |
| 20:05:20 | Nothing_Much | She told me to tell you this: tell them their spamming of simmiliar address values is pointless if someone can use those to defeat the pointer addresses. |
| 20:06:25 | raptor | that makes no sense without context |
| 20:07:28 | Nothing_Much | well, that's all I can say, she's not on anymore and I don't know what context programmers use :P |
| 20:07:47 | Nothing_Much | but it is a little worrying |
| 20:07:51 | kaen | lol |
| 20:07:56 | kaen | memory hacking on an open source game |
| 20:08:01 | kaen | this is absolutely hilarious |
| 20:08:07 | raptor | to be honest, that's a statement that people use to make themselves feel smart without actually providing real help |
| 20:08:47 | raptor | if she were to say: "hey, modifying this piece of code here in this way will let me cheat, even on a client" |
| 20:08:57 | raptor | then that's great! and we can fix it (or ignore it) |
| 20:09:08 | kaen | "spamming of simmilar address values" generally makes no sense |
| 20:09:15 | raptor | hi kaen |
| 20:09:31 | kaen | unless s/he mistakenly thinks there's some post-compile anticheat thing we do |
| 20:09:49 | raptor | oh and uh... memory hacking an open source game.... |
| 20:09:55 | kaen | which would in fact bring my lol to the next power |
| 20:09:58 | kaen | lol^2 |
| 20:10:01 | raptor | hahaha |
| 20:10:05 | raptor | ha^3 |
| 20:10:30 | Nothing_Much | well, that's a relief lol |
| 20:10:36 | raptor | Nothing_Much: sorry, I don't mean to pick on anyone |
| 20:10:44 | raptor | but it would be useful if there were specifics |
| 20:11:10 | Nothing_Much | that's no problem, I'll talk to her tomorrow or whenever or if she plays the game again, she's got a bad connection |
| 20:11:21 | raptor | ok |
| 20:11:52 | kaen | I think some public acknowledgement for her would be in order if she reported a real cheat |
| 20:12:04 | raptor | sure |
| 20:12:20 | kaen | and would definitely deserve props if she found it memory hacking a release build @_@ |
| 20:12:21 | raptor | well, besides the cloaking one... |
| 20:12:23 | raptor | :) |
| 20:12:27 | kaen | also the stats one |
| 20:12:42 | raptor | oh yeah, and the (ahem, many) stats ones... |
| 20:12:47 | raptor | which one are you thinking of? |
| 20:12:55 | kaen | the architectural one :P |
| 20:13:08 | raptor | which was that? |
| 20:13:32 | raptor | I'm thinking of the one where you hold down the mouse button with a book, create a 10 second level and go! |
| 20:18:40 | Nothing_Much | hmm.. will the fake fullscreen be disabled by default next update? |
| 20:18:51 | raptor | what platform are you on? |
| 20:19:06 | Nothing_Much | Linux |
| 20:19:31 | Nothing_Much | Desura version :) |
| 20:19:38 | raptor | oh yeah |
| 20:19:42 | raptor | actually... |
| 20:19:46 | raptor | hmm, |
| 20:20:07 | Nothing_Much | because I got a blank screen when viewing the fullscreen mode with fakefullscreen=yes |
| 20:20:14 | raptor | really?? |
| 20:20:16 | kaen | oh my |
| 20:20:17 | raptor | huh |
| 20:20:21 | kaen | that's bad |
| 20:20:27 | raptor | that's not good |
| 20:20:34 | raptor | welll |
| 20:20:44 | raptor | what is the default distro for desura now? ubuntu something? |
| 20:20:56 | Nothing_Much | desura's any distro |
| 20:20:59 | kaen | my vote is to disable it |
| 20:21:07 | raptor | SDL2 handles that now |
| 20:21:15 | Nothing_Much | Desurium is the open source version which can be compiled on any distro |
| 20:21:24 | raptor | but on Linux there isn't SDL2, except for newer distro versions |
| 20:21:38 | Nothing_Much | The Desura on the homepage is available to any distro, which includes Ubuntu |
| 20:21:45 | raptor | well, that's for the users |
| 20:21:50 | Nothing_Much | yeah |
| 20:22:12 | raptor | but us developers, we have to package it specially using one of the ubuntu distros or weird things happen |
| 20:22:32 | raptor | *using the libs from ubuntu i mean |
| 20:22:42 | Nothing_Much | for the standalone packages? |
| 20:22:48 | raptor | yes |
| 20:22:55 | Nothing_Much | ahh |
| 20:23:26 | Nothing_Much | well setting it to "no" fixes it |
| 20:23:43 | Nothing_Much | what's the point of the fake fullscreen anyways? |
| 20:24:27 | raptor | it was to get around some fullscreen bugs in windows and osx |
| 20:24:36 | raptor | but somehow i guess it bled over in Linux?? |
| 20:24:54 | Nothing_Much | ohh |
| 20:33:03 | Nothing_Much | so it's a Yes for windows/OS X and a no for Linux, which helps the fullscreen. But I forgot to mention I'm using Ubuntu 13.10 |
| 20:33:10 | raptor | ok |
| 20:33:36 | raptor | wait wait... that isn't even out yet? |
| 20:34:15 | Nothing_Much | not yet :D I'm on the bleeding edge lol; but that also means occasional kernel crashes :( |
| 20:39:59 | raptor | you're not useing X are you? but wayland? |
| 20:40:21 | raptor | because that issue may be highly specific to running SDL 1.2 on newer ubuntu with their weird desktop |
| 20:41:44 | Nothing_Much | afaik, I'm using X, unsure as to how to figure out if I'm using Wayland/Mir/X |
| 20:42:32 | Nothing_Much | right now, according to Canonical, Mir only works with the open source drivers, and I'm running the nvidia blob right now |
| 20:49:01 | raptor | hmm... |
| 20:49:02 | raptor | ok |
| 20:49:43 | raptor | did your black screen occur before or after using the nvidia drivers? |
| 20:51:59 | Nothing_Much | oh, uh.. I've been using the blob for a while now lol |
| 20:52:12 | raptor | so after? |
| 20:53:19 | Nothing_Much | not sure what that means, but when I clicked on the windowed to change it to fullscreen, that's when the black screen appeared |
| 20:53:30 | raptor | ohh |
| 20:53:39 | raptor | you mean you clicked on 'maximize' ? |
| 20:54:16 | Nothing_Much | nope, I went into the options and clicked "Windowed" to change it to whichever fullscreen came first (either the stretched or the standard fullscreen) |
| 20:56:07 | raptor | ah.. |
| 20:56:08 | raptor | ok |
| 20:56:10 | raptor | that's bad |
| 21:06:02 | Nothing_Much | Yeah, but it should be a simple change from yes to no |
| 21:06:09 | Nothing_Much | For the Linux versions |
| 21:06:10 | Nothing_Much | only |
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