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| 10:19:47 | raptor | yay! |
| 10:20:18 | raptor | I wake up to find out that the NSA has effectively compromised the internet (and now there's evidence) |
| 10:20:52 | bobdaduck | oh yeah? |
| 10:21:48 | raptor | sadly yes - you thought online banking was secure... bwahahaha |
| 10:22:19 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 10:22:21 | bobdaduck | link? |
| 10:22:56 | raptor | start here: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html |
| 10:24:27 | raptor | basically the math for the encryption is good, but the implementation code has been compromised via backdoors or exploits |
| 10:27:08 | raptor | but not many specifics have been given |
| 10:27:13 | raptor | (yet) |
| 10:27:17 | bobdaduck | yeah |
| 10:29:12 | watusimoto | on the upside, there is very little chance the NSA will drain your bank account. If they wanted your money, they'd have it already |
| 10:29:21 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 10:29:38 | watusimoto | so your banking is still secure |
| 10:29:57 | bobdaduck | Just not private. |
| 10:30:34 | watusimoto | so... you think the government doesn't have your banking data anyway? Why track it online when they can just reqeust it from the bank directly? |
| 10:30:45 | watusimoto | it's a business record, after all. |
| 10:30:46 | raptor | yep |
| 10:30:55 | watusimoto | same logic that they used to get the verizon data applies there |
| 10:31:01 | raptor | oh yeah |
| 10:31:04 | watusimoto | so they are not spying on your bank transactions |
| 10:31:07 | watusimoto | there's no need |
| 10:32:22 | watusimoto | the only thing this news changes is now there may be some basis for a lawsuit to get them to stop. Now that they can't claim there is no evidence. |
| 10:32:59 | watusimoto | Possibly even some possibility of political action, if the authroitarian wing of the xxx party isn't too obstructionist |
| 10:33:01 | bobdaduck | Yeah. Government is evil, what else is new. |
| 10:34:04 | watusimoto | Not evil at all, in my opinion. Government is necessary for all sorts of good stuff -- regulation of the marketplace, protection of environment, etc. |
| 10:34:44 | raptor | suppression of dissent! |
| 10:34:50 | watusimoto | in this particular case, what they are doing seems to trample all over the constitution; I don't think they have mal intent (at the moment, anyway), but I do think the concentration of power is highly dangerous to a free socieity |
| 10:34:53 | raptor | /tinfoil hat |
| 10:35:06 | raptor | yes, those are my same sentiments |
| 10:35:07 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 10:35:18 | raptor | the consolidation of power is very concerning |
| 10:35:42 | bobdaduck | Oh please. If the government isn't evil, everyone wouldn't always be calling it evil all the time! |
| 10:35:45 | watusimoto | I think that most of their stated intent (fighting terrorism) is (mostly) honest |
| 10:36:01 | watusimoto | it's only evil when a democrat is in power |
| 10:36:23 | raptor | heh, or a republican if you watch the media |
| 10:36:24 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 10:38:08 | watusimoto | well.... I don't buy the liberal media bit myself... I haven't seen much evidence. A feeble media, perhaps, but there are still some good news sources out there. I am not including your local TV station (wherever you may be) |
| 10:38:22 | watusimoto | they are just lame |
| 10:38:24 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 10:39:19 | watusimoto | Tonight. A urgent call from distressed neighbors summons the fire department to rescue a cat stuck on a roof. Details at 10 |
| 10:39:50 | bobdaduck | I feel like as soon as the words "republican", "democrat" "liberal" or "conservative" enter any conversation, nothing of truth will be said. |
| 10:40:06 | watusimoto | it depends who says them :-) |
| 10:40:21 | raptor | i'm only comparing what I see from the larger media outlets over the last 10 years (so I have limited data) - NYT/BBC/etc. all were heavily more negative towards bush and (insert R. pres. candidate, here) than towards Gore, Obama, etc... |
| 10:40:30 | watusimoto | you guys are so cynical! |
| 10:40:36 | raptor | but |
| 10:40:39 | bobdaduck | I can't help it |
| 10:40:44 | bobdaduck | "Miley Cirus fires back." |
| 10:41:49 | raptor | although the 'liberal media' has actually started to fire back a bit in the last couple years against the democratic presidents as well, seemingly in response to the gov't encroachment on journalism |
| 10:41:59 | raptor | *president |
| 10:42:02 | watusimoto | I don't personally know anyone who thinks Bush was a good president, though I am sure there are some out there. I also don't know anyone who thinks Gore would have been a good president, though I do know lots who would have preferred him to Bush (at least in theory) |
| 10:42:30 | kaen | I'm not sure why this is news, we already knew they've done this sort of thing with e.g. lotus notes |
| 10:42:37 | raptor | i agree with that - all i'm saying is that the media didn't focus on the negative of Gore as much as Bush... by a factor, it seems |
| 10:42:49 | raptor | it could be that Bush was really that bad |
| 10:42:53 | watusimoto | that's because Gore wasn't president |
| 10:43:13 | watusimoto | I'm sure if he was, they would have. Unless, against the odds, he turned out to not be a disaster |
| 10:43:17 | raptor | heh - and the same when comparing Bush's 'reign' with Obama's |
| 10:44:00 | raptor | although they are finally starting to strike back a bit since the last election |
| 10:45:01 | raptor | this is just my (limited) observation, not my political opinion - and try really hard to read things from many different viewpoints (I even turn of the filter-bubble results of Google, etc.) |
| 10:45:09 | raptor | *off |
| 10:45:57 | kaen | duckduckgo! |
| 10:46:00 | watusimoto | that's why I read the economist... they tend to be a little to the right of me on many issues, but make good arguments |
| 10:46:00 | raptor | yes! |
| 10:46:18 | bobdaduck | duck? |
| 10:46:21 | raptor | duckduckgo is great for filter bubbles |
| 10:46:35 | watusimoto | not as great for results, in my limited experience |
| 10:46:55 | raptor | also very true - they don't take my to the exact stackoverflow post I'm looking for |
| 10:46:58 | raptor | *me |
| 10:47:02 | kaen | true, there are tradeoffs to untailored results |
| 10:47:23 | kaen | I really like it's short commands though for stuff like looking up api docs |
| 10:47:39 | watusimoto | of course, I don't get much news from google -- I usually start at the source (nytimes, economist, npr, guardian, etc.) |
| 10:47:52 | raptor | yep, me too |
| 10:48:16 | raptor | also - does the guardian frequently seem to be slow and not have graphics or have broken pages to you? |
| 10:48:28 | watusimoto | works pretty well from here |
| 10:48:35 | watusimoto | I never looked at it much from the us |
| 10:48:37 | raptor | seems it's been that way since the Snowden stuff |
| 10:48:40 | raptor | ahh |
| 10:48:42 | raptor | ok |
| 10:48:49 | kaen | I read npr for the same reason you read the economist -- cogent arguments for opposing viewpoints |
| 10:48:51 | watusimoto | maybe they're getting too much traffic |
| 10:48:51 | raptor | you're closer on the wire |
| 10:49:04 | raptor | we need bigger tubes!! |
| 10:49:19 | kaen | raptor, did you get yourself some google fiber yet? |
| 10:49:40 | raptor | not yet - they're going to be forcing us to switch within a few months to 1.5 years, i think |
| 10:50:03 | watusimoto | does it pass through the new nsa datacenter on its way to the internet? |
| 10:50:08 | kaen | hehe |
| 10:50:09 | raptor | of course it does! |
| 10:50:16 | kaen | doesn't matter -- they can reach the routers :P |
| 10:50:27 | watusimoto | very true |
| 10:50:40 | raptor | the internet backbone has always run through salt lake in utah (since the development of much of it as the U of U) |
| 10:50:47 | raptor | *one of the backbones |
| 10:51:02 | watusimoto | we need more peer-to-peer mesh networks |
| 10:51:07 | raptor | ^^ yes |
| 10:51:28 | kaen | hopefully all of this leads to more people using public domain crypto |
| 10:51:42 | watusimoto | most do! |
| 10:51:44 | watusimoto | SSL! |
| 10:51:47 | kaen | although, that doesn't matter either if the NSA can use it's weaponized exploit stockpile to grab your private key |
| 10:51:51 | raptor | yeah, most do... |
| 10:52:05 | watusimoto | we need email to use encryption that is as easy to use |
| 10:52:11 | bobdaduck | weaponized exploit stockpile xD |
| 10:52:12 | watusimoto | and irc!!!! |
| 10:52:30 | raptor | actually, they have it for IRC... |
| 10:52:35 | raptor | sort of |
| 10:52:40 | watusimoto | here we complaining no one uses encryption... on an open irc chanel |
| 10:52:43 | kaen | irc has sasl I think |
| 10:52:50 | kaen | *I know |
| 10:52:52 | raptor | but the 'easy' part is the problem |
| 10:52:55 | kaen | freenode support it too |
| 10:53:02 | kaen | yeah, it's a huge pain to set up (even in xchat) |
| 10:53:14 | raptor | I'm using SSL with my connection to freenode |
| 10:53:19 | raptor | but we publicaly log! |
| 10:53:22 | kaen | oh, that's right |
| 10:53:28 | raptor | man, i can't spell worth beans |
| 10:53:29 | kaen | there's SSL-only ports :P |
| 10:53:35 | raptor | 6697 |
| 10:54:00 | kaen | plus, it doesn't really matter that you're using SSL if anyone else in the channel is using plaintext |
| 10:54:12 | kaen | and then also public logging |
| 10:54:25 | raptor | it doesn't matter because freenode has the decryption keys which are out of our control |
| 10:54:45 | watusimoto | ok, quick question before I go |
| 10:54:52 | watusimoto | not political, I promise! |
| 10:54:55 | kaen | :) |
| 10:55:04 | raptor | what I would like is an easy-to-use videochat program... I'm keeping my eye on jitsi |
| 10:55:06 | kaen | (it wouldn't be a quick question, as you know :P) |
| 10:55:06 | raptor | ok |
| 10:55:07 | watusimoto | I need to create some INI settings that are player dependent |
| 10:55:23 | watusimoto | when we read the INI we don't know the player's name yet |
| 10:55:36 | watusimoto | I see two general approaches: |
| 10:55:50 | watusimoto | 1) [Settings-Kaen] |
| 10:55:59 | watusimoto | sett1=param1 |
| 10:56:01 | watusimoto | etc. |
| 10:56:03 | watusimoto | or 2) |
| 10:56:09 | watusimoto | [Settings] |
| 10:56:23 | watusimoto | sett1-kaen=param1 |
| 10:56:25 | watusimoto | etc. |
| 10:56:43 | watusimoto | I am not sure which would be easier to implement... I think maybe 2 |
| 10:56:48 | kaen | [settings-kaen] gives me a better gut feeling |
| 10:56:51 | watusimoto | but I like 1 better |
| 10:56:59 | kaen | but yes, 2 sounds like it'd be easier to implement |
| 10:57:26 | watusimoto | I guess I could enumerate all sections, then get those that match the settings-xxx pattern |
| 10:57:33 | watusimoto | store those in a struct of some sort |
| 10:57:38 | watusimoto | then grab them when needed |
| 10:58:04 | watusimoto | that would probably work ok |
| 10:58:36 | raptor | player dependent? |
| 10:58:50 | raptor | isn't that what the master database is for? |
| 10:59:12 | watusimoto | I want to show a message to a player when they reach the next experience level |
| 10:59:20 | watusimoto | but I need to store which ones they've seen |
| 10:59:28 | raptor | what? |
| 10:59:31 | raptor | experience level?? |
| 10:59:37 | kaen | rank, I think |
| 10:59:40 | watusimoto | yeah, you know, the ranks |
| 10:59:42 | raptor | is this a feature creep?? |
| 10:59:44 | raptor | oh |
| 10:59:47 | watusimoto | not really! |
| 10:59:50 | watusimoto | it's polish! |
| 10:59:54 | raptor | not really != no |
| 10:59:57 | raptor | ok |
| 10:59:57 | kaen | do you really need to track that? how would they ever hit it twice? |
| 11:00:11 | watusimoto | let's say I finish my 20th game, and advance |
| 11:00:15 | watusimoto | I start my 21st game |
| 11:00:28 | watusimoto | server tells me I've completed 20 games |
| 11:00:35 | watusimoto | "Congrats, loser!" |
| 11:00:42 | bobdaduck | You leveled up! |
| 11:00:50 | watusimoto | I quit before I finish the 21st game |
| 11:00:56 | watusimoto | I come back the next day, start playing |
| 11:01:02 | watusimoto | server tells me I've completed 20 games |
| 11:01:10 | watusimoto | "Congrats, loser!" |
| 11:01:11 | watusimoto | etc. |
| 11:01:53 | watusimoto | hence the need to store a list of which messages the user has seen |
| 11:01:56 | kaen | what if you had the server fire that event exactly when the count goes from 19 -> 20, and never again? |
| 11:02:20 | kaen | and then have the normal "You've played x games" message as-is |
| 11:02:25 | watusimoto | maaybe that would work |
| 11:02:31 | kaen | watusimoto, quick question for you before you go: do you know of a good/simple/quick polygon rectangulation algo? |
| 11:02:44 | watusimoto | rectangulation??? |
| 11:02:46 | kaen | like, just a name I can google for (it's for a pet project) |
| 11:02:47 | kaen | yeah |
| 11:03:11 | watusimoto | do you meed horiz/vertical rectangles? |
| 11:03:20 | watusimoto | (mean) |
| 11:03:26 | kaen | yeah, and the polys are made of orthogonal edges |
| 11:03:30 | watusimoto | well, I'll spare you... no |
| 11:03:32 | kaen | i.e. all horizontal or vertical |
| 11:03:34 | kaen | ok |
| 11:03:51 | watusimoto | ok, back in a bit |
| 11:03:54 | kaen | I found one but it's O(mn^2) |
| 11:04:00 | watusimoto | ! |
| 11:04:02 | kaen | and neither good, simple nor quick |
| 11:05:30 | kaen | yeah... and it's going to be run against polygons with ~10000 vertices ... |
| 11:05:58 | kaen | and I'd like it to terminate before the heat-death of the universe |
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| 11:10:40 | kaen | aha! here's one in O(n log log n) |
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| 11:28:38 | raptor | I've been trying for 4 days now to get oglconsole to use font-stash for font rendering |
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| 11:32:44 | raptor | speaking of local news: "Record-breaking tiger muskie caught at Pineview Reservoir" |
| 11:33:56 | raptor | at 45 inches... |
| 11:33:57 | Watusimoto | smashed 4 copies of Michael Jackson's Thriller before we could grab that sucker! |
| 11:34:03 | raptor | hahaha |
| 11:34:19 | Watusimoto | not that I blame him... |
| 11:35:29 | Watusimoto | kaen: what if the user quits at the end of their 20th game then later restarts at the beginning of their 21st. How will we know a transition has occurred? |
| 11:38:56 | Watusimoto | While I was optimistic I could get out of the user-specific INI settings, I am coming back to thinking we need them |
| 11:39:05 | Watusimoto | which is unfortunate, because it will be a pain |
| 11:40:14 | raptor | I think they should be avoided |
| 11:41:01 | raptor | unless we want to into it full and have a database of some sort for each user (maybe as a different preference file) |
| 11:44:00 | Watusimoto | ooohhh.... a mysql database! |
| 11:44:07 | raptor | the fish: http://img.ksl.com/slc/2509/250994/25099429.jpg |
| 11:44:12 | Watusimoto | sorry... sqlite! |
| 11:44:29 | Watusimoto | what is the fish holding? |
| 11:44:32 | raptor | or even .bitfighter.<user>.pref files |
| 11:44:36 | raptor | hahaha |
| 11:45:02 | raptor | i've never caught a fish in my life |
| 11:45:07 | Watusimoto | nor i |
| 11:45:12 | raptor | caught lots and lots of crabs |
| 11:45:18 | Watusimoto | and never one wearing sunglasses |
| 11:45:36 | Watusimoto | I don't want to hear about that aspect of your life!!!! |
| 11:45:47 | kaen | lol |
| 11:45:50 | raptor | sigh |
| 11:45:53 | Watusimoto | sorry |
| 11:45:56 | Watusimoto | :-) |
| 11:45:58 | raptor | heh |
| 11:46:09 | Watusimoto | you kind of forced my hand there |
| 11:46:10 | kaen | I love fishing |
| 11:46:15 | raptor | *at the ocean! |
| 11:46:19 | kaen | I actually make my own fly reels |
| 11:46:28 | kaen | rods |
| 11:46:39 | kaen | I have to buy the reels :P |
| 11:46:52 | raptor | the freshwater fly fisherman here have to shar the river with the innertubers |
| 11:46:57 | raptor | *share |
| 11:47:17 | kaen | the freshwater fly fishermen here *use* innertubes :) |
| 11:47:19 | Watusimoto | the tubers fish by pelting the fish with beer bottles |
| 11:47:43 | raptor | I can remember only one instance of one of them smiling as I floated by |
| 11:47:58 | raptor | I was sure I thought I was going to be hooked by the rest |
| 11:48:00 | kaen | some waders, a well-pocketed fishingtube, and a bag of sunflower seeds |
| 11:48:04 | kaen | nothing better in the world |
| 11:48:06 | raptor | hah |
| 11:48:20 | kaen | hehe |
| 11:48:46 | Watusimoto | what about finding the ulitmate solution to tracking which users have seen a congratulations message? |
| 11:48:54 | Watusimoto | that would be pretty good |
| 11:49:02 | raptor | custom config files |
| 11:49:11 | kaen | custom config files make sense |
| 11:49:29 | kaen | load settings -> once you get the username, load the user-specific config |
| 11:49:29 | Watusimoto | watusimoto.ini |
| 11:49:31 | raptor | maybe a subfolder for them? |
| 11:49:41 | kaen | couldn't you just re-use the ini parsing stuff for it then? |
| 11:49:47 | raptor | yes |
| 11:49:48 | Watusimoto | of course |
| 11:49:57 | kaen | sounds like overall the simplest solution, if it's a must |
| 11:50:05 | raptor | or maybe just one other file: bitfighter.user.prefs |
| 11:50:18 | raptor | and inside the sections are the usernames |
| 11:50:19 | Watusimoto | sounds too java-y |
| 11:50:34 | kaen | but then you'll need to add code for dividing by user names |
| 11:50:48 | raptor | so we don't have to worry about bad characters with certain filesystems |
| 11:51:00 | Watusimoto | well, code would be easy |
| 11:51:05 | Watusimoto | just load the kaen section |
| 11:51:10 | Watusimoto | and grab the params therein |
| 11:51:15 | raptor | because $&*()_!+$$#*()+@#$ is not a good name for a file on most systems... |
| 11:51:23 | Watusimoto | good point! |
| 11:51:26 | kaen | that's a good point |
| 11:51:33 | kaen | you could strip it to _ though :) |
| 11:51:43 | Watusimoto | the only limitation is that we could only have one section per player, but at the moment that hardly seems troubling |
| 11:51:55 | raptor | so what's the difference between __________ and ___________ ? |
| 11:52:12 | raptor | not hard |
| 11:52:14 | Watusimoto | sounds like the start to a good joke |
| 11:52:18 | Watusimoto | that's been redacted |
| 11:52:32 | raptor | we already have methods to read multidimensional data from sections |
| 11:52:46 | raptor | just _ ! |
| 11:52:57 | Watusimoto | yes, well, I think the limitation is not onerous |
| 11:53:06 | kaen | irb(main):001:0> '__________'.length |
| 11:53:07 | kaen | => 10 |
| 11:53:07 | kaen | irb(main):002:0> '___________'.length |
| 11:53:07 | kaen | => 11 |
| 11:53:16 | raptor | hehe |
| 11:54:18 | kaen | anyway, these all sound like good solutions |
| 11:54:40 | raptor | I favor separate INI-like config file with playernames as sections |
| 11:54:57 | kaen | avoiding the playernames in files problem would be best, I agree |
| 11:55:40 | raptor | this preference file could even be used for player-specific key setup or audio/display settings |
| 11:56:03 | raptor | bad raptor - feature creep! |
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| 12:11:59 | Watusimoto | I am not convinced that 2 names == 2 players |
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| 12:12:13 | raptor | of course not |
| 12:12:15 | Watusimoto | so individual key bindings might not make sense |
| 12:12:21 | raptor | we give waaay too much leeway for names |
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| 12:43:02 | Watusimoto | YoshiSmb: what? |
| 12:43:22 | YoshiSmb | what happend with Sam? |
| 12:43:39 | YoshiSmb | it's been so long i dint saw him. |
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| 12:49:37 | Watusimoto | I don't actually know where sam went |
| 12:50:09 | Watusimoto | we miss him, though! |
| 12:50:28 | YoshiSmb | me too. |
| 12:52:58 | Nothing_Much | afternoon, all |
| 12:53:16 | Nothing_Much | sam686? is he another dev? |
| 12:54:29 | YoshiSmb | good afternoon, and yes, he is a dev. |
| 12:55:02 | Nothing_Much | nice |
| 12:55:56 | Nothing_Much | he's been off for almost a month on the forums |
| 12:56:04 | Nothing_Much | maybe he's in college or something |
| 13:10:57 | Watusimoto | back later! |
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| 13:47:32 | raptor | I just found a fun youtube playlist to listen to - if you like this kind of music: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL89B0C858CA28EB76 |
| 13:49:38 | raptor | I had never heard of these musicians before.. |
| 13:59:26 | bobdaduck | It hurts my soul! |
| 14:01:23 | bobdaduck | I have a hard time listening to pretty music... |
| 14:01:49 | raptor | you mean when trying to focus on something else? |
| 14:02:27 | bobdaduck | No |
| 14:02:52 | bobdaduck | I have a hard time listening to pretty music period |
| 14:03:30 | bobdaduck | Its very taxing on me |
| 14:03:47 | raptor | I get wrapped up in the story |
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| 14:17:39 | bobdaduck | There's story? |
| 14:21:19 | Nothing_Much | wow raptor, that's some damn good music you've found |
| 14:21:35 | Nothing_Much | and youtube has to ruin it by stopping the buffering |
| 14:21:36 | bobdaduck | Not to be insulting to other people who may like the music, of course. People like whatever they like. Just for me personally, "pretty" songs like, delete my emotions. |
| 14:21:43 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 14:22:04 | Nothing_Much | bobdaduck, you like dubstep, your taste in music's already ruined :D |
| 14:22:15 | bobdaduck | Huh? I don't like dubstep! |
| 14:22:19 | Nothing_Much | o rly? |
| 14:22:25 | bobdaduck | Dubstep's alright. Some of it. |
| 14:22:42 | bobdaduck | There's a LOT of bad dubstep by virtue of any closet DJ being able to make it |
| 14:22:56 | Nothing_Much | I'm really lovin' the Hello World song |
| 14:23:42 | bobdaduck | Anyway, pretty music is an emotionally unpleasant experience for me. |
| 14:24:11 | Nothing_Much | do tell, sir, if you can |
| 14:24:46 | Nothing_Much | or if it's just something that doesn't tickle your fancy |
| 14:24:50 | bobdaduck | It blanks my emotions. |
| 14:25:04 | bobdaduck | Lets say I'm happy. Listening to pretty music takes the happy away. |
| 14:25:12 | bobdaduck | It doesn't make me sad, it just disappears. |
| 14:25:20 | bobdaduck | If I'm sad and listen to pretty music, that goes away too. |
| 14:25:58 | bobdaduck | The loss of emotions like that is not a pleasant experience; Its almost like absorbing apathy into myself. Absorbing numbness. |
| 14:26:44 | Nothing_Much | Interesting.. |
| 14:27:17 | bobdaduck | I'm attracted to music that's extremely passionate. |
| 14:28:00 | bobdaduck | Sad music, depressing music, romantic music (not really, but in theory.) angry music (heavy metal) |
| 14:28:14 | bobdaduck | Things that are powerful. Pretty music doesn't have that for me. |
| 14:28:26 | raptor | i think 'thoughtful' is the type that I like |
| 14:29:20 | bobdaduck | thoughtful isn't something I'm attuned to in music though, so I don't get that. I understand that other people get different things in music though, so. |
| 14:29:27 | raptor | heh |
| 14:30:23 | Nothing_Much | that's alright dude |
| 14:30:30 | bobdaduck | Vocal trance music is the closest I get to "pretty" |
| 14:30:31 | Nothing_Much | I'm no critical thinker or anything, but sometimes music can get you to think |
| 14:31:27 | raptor | it's the chicken or the egg |
| 14:32:02 | bobdaduck | Yes but for me the egg is boiled, see. |
| 14:32:04 | raptor | is it: do you like the emotional vocal music to put you in the mood, or are you already in that mood so the music enhances it? |
| 14:32:48 | bobdaduck | *shrug* probably both at times. It doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me. |
| 14:33:38 | raptor | 'both' is probably a good answer |
| 14:36:18 | Nothing_Much | I wish I understood this type of thinking. |
| 14:36:31 | raptor | it's because it can't be explained over IRC |
| 14:36:35 | bobdaduck | which type of thinking? Mine or raptors or...? |
| 14:37:00 | raptor | you have to be in the presence of the person you're talking to get both the intellectual and emotional sides of the words |
| 14:37:36 | Nothing_Much | anyone tbh, even IRL it'd be difficult for me to focus or understand what people are saying |
| 14:37:36 | raptor | unless you're really, really, really gifted at writing |
| 14:37:44 | Nothing_Much | oh no |
| 14:38:01 | Nothing_Much | I'm a not so good writer |
| 14:38:14 | raptor | me neither |
| 14:38:36 | raptor | so I frequently fail at explaining complex thoughts over IRC :) |
| 14:40:07 | Nothing_Much | well, you two have done a lot better than I could imagine |
| 14:40:10 | bobdaduck | There's a lot of other factors to such things as well. Like, I grew up on techno-ish stuff, so the rhythm of music speaks to me much more than it does other people |
| 14:40:50 | Nothing_Much | rhythm and instruments for me, which is why I would prefer classical or anything that doesn't have lyrics to it |
| 14:41:17 | Nothing_Much | lyrics I would literally have to read them out from subtitles because I can't make out what they're saying at all |
| 14:41:23 | bobdaduck | lol |
| 14:42:06 | Nothing_Much | it doesn't have to be like a heavy song or something, it could be something like Enya where the words just blend so well along the instrumentals |
| 14:44:11 | bobdaduck | Yeah but even then when you say "rhythm" you're speaking of a different kind of rhythm than me. Theres a lot a lot of parts to why people like the music they do xD |
| 14:45:58 | Nothing_Much | hmm.. maybe it wasn't the rhythm, it might've been something else, like counting the beats while listening to the song- sequences, that's it |
| 14:47:34 | Nothing_Much | actually that's an odd thing to do |
| 14:47:50 | bobdaduck | I do it sometimes, but then I'm a dancer so... |
| 14:48:04 | Nothing_Much | you're a dancer and a psychologist? |
| 14:49:32 | bobdaduck | I'm everything! |
| 14:49:37 | Nothing_Much | nice |
| 14:50:06 | Nothing_Much | offtopic, how's the website going so far? |
| 14:56:54 | bobdaduck | codeword "oatmeal." |
| 14:57:44 | Nothing_Much | sounds yummy |
| 15:04:31 | bobdaduck | And messy. |
| 15:05:01 | Nothing_Much | lol |
| 15:05:15 | Nothing_Much | analogies |
| 15:10:41 | Nothing_Much | Where is everybody? It's Friday! |
| 15:17:21 | bobdaduck | Doesn't that answer your question? :P |
| 15:17:40 | Nothing_Much | I dunno lol |
| 15:21:54 | Nothing_Much | Well, anyways, if you guys need wordpress forum integration, I found something called bbpress |
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| 15:27:23 | raptor | whoa! |
| 15:27:26 | raptor | bb press... |
| 15:29:19 | Nothing_Much | just thought I'd look something up for ya guys :) |
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| 17:06:31 | raptor | looks like bbpress is a completely different forum system |
| 17:06:40 | raptor | and it doesn't have quite as many features |
| 17:06:59 | raptor | and it would require a (probably difficult) migration from phpbb -> bbpress |
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| 21:05:16 | Nothing_Much | phpbb is the one that's currently being used on the forums/wiki right? |
| 21:09:25 | Nothing_Much | kaen |
| 21:10:01 | Nothing_Much | oh nvm |
| 21:10:03 | Nothing_Much | it says it on the bottom |
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