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| 09:50:53 | kaen | ah, feels good to be back |
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| 09:52:43 | Nothing_Much | kaen, what's up? |
| 09:53:10 | kaen | not much, just setting up 13.04 on my new laptop :) |
| 09:53:20 | kaen | feels nice to have a working mouse and soundcard again |
| 09:53:40 | Nothing_Much | sweet! |
| 09:53:58 | Nothing_Much | oh dude, the trailer has sounds just to let ya know :P |
| 09:54:13 | kaen | haha |
| 09:54:19 | kaen | hey, now I can contribute footage! |
| 09:54:30 | kaen | because, again, I have sound \o/ |
| 09:54:53 | Nothing_Much | nice |
| 09:54:54 | Nothing_Much | well |
| 09:55:10 | Nothing_Much | You could've always just uh.. captured the sound output and it still would've had the sounds :P |
| 09:55:17 | Nothing_Much | despite your speakers not working |
| 09:56:39 | kaen | actually our OpenAL layer chokes when you don't have a functional sound card, so nothing gets sent to the mixer |
| 09:56:54 | kaen | although I guess I could have just added a dummy device |
| 09:57:02 | kaen | but that's all moot now! |
| 09:57:18 | kaen | man, 13.04 is great |
| 09:57:47 | kaen | I don't hate unity anymore, it's all slick, and it looks beautiful |
| 09:57:57 | kaen | although maybe my tastes have just changed |
| 10:00:28 | kaen | Nothing_Much: wow and I get 611fps on glxgears |
| 10:00:34 | kaen | oops sorry |
| 10:00:47 | kaen | I'm adjusting to a new irc client |
| 10:01:08 | kaen | I guess it inserts your nick if I click you in the user list... |
| 10:01:43 | Nothing_Much | kaen, lol 13.10 just came out a couple of days ago :D |
| 10:02:01 | kaen | oh that must be what I'm running |
| 10:02:01 | Nothing_Much | oh and try the tab function on irc :) |
| 10:02:21 | kaen | Nothing_Much: I've been using irc for like seven years :P |
| 10:02:24 | kaen | just not this client |
| 10:02:32 | Nothing_Much | which client? |
| 10:02:35 | kaen | smuxi |
| 10:03:01 | kaen | I was hoping by the name it would support multiplexing (aka muxing) but that appears to not be the case |
| 10:03:28 | Nothing_Much | multiplexing? |
| 10:03:43 | kaen | there's two types |
| 10:04:05 | kaen | channel multiplexing, where you basically merge two or more channels into a single tab |
| 10:04:21 | kaen | and window multiplexing, where you can basically split a window between two active tabs |
| 10:04:48 | Nothing_Much | like in freenode? |
| 10:04:54 | Nothing_Much | different channels within the tabs? |
| 10:05:10 | kaen | let me find some screenshots |
| 10:05:32 | Nothing_Much | alright |
| 10:05:36 | kaen | http://quassel-irc.org/node/104 |
| 10:05:43 | kaen | top half is channel multiplexing |
| 10:05:59 | kaen | and then the window itself is multiplexed (to show two "tabs" at once) |
| 10:06:14 | kaen | panes |
| 10:06:18 | kaen | that's the word I'm looking for |
| 10:07:12 | kaen | I'd just use quassel but I don't like to pull KDE libs into memory alongside gnome |
| 10:07:22 | Nothing_Much | Ah |
| 10:07:35 | Nothing_Much | Interesting.. I still don't get it lol, sorry |
| 10:07:49 | kaen | it's ok, it's kind of a niche feature |
| 10:08:58 | kaen | HAH! |
| 10:09:01 | Nothing_Much | lsb_release-a |
| 10:09:05 | kaen | gcc 4.8 adopted clang-style warnings |
| 10:09:05 | Nothing_Much | lsb_release -a |
| 10:09:07 | Nothing_Much | click that one |
| 10:09:09 | Nothing_Much | erm |
| 10:09:14 | Nothing_Much | put that in the terminal |
| 10:09:19 | Nothing_Much | that'll check your ubuntu release |
| 10:09:20 | kaen | yep saucy |
| 10:09:31 | Nothing_Much | nice |
| 10:09:41 | Nothing_Much | Unity's definitely improved on itself |
| 10:09:53 | Nothing_Much | I just wish the drama regarding Ubuntu/Mir would die down a bit :( |
| 10:12:20 | kaen | cool, BF's sound works! |
| 10:12:24 | kaen | now, time to turn it off |
| 10:12:31 | Nothing_Much | lol why? |
| 10:12:42 | kaen | I find it really obnoxious... |
| 10:12:53 | Nothing_Much | the sounds or the music? |
| 10:13:01 | kaen | the sounds mostly |
| 10:13:07 | kaen | but the music isn't my style either |
| 10:13:32 | Nothing_Much | that's interesting |
| 10:13:44 | Nothing_Much | it's a retro styled game :P |
| 10:13:45 | kaen | I'm kind of an audio snob... |
| 10:13:59 | kaen | yeah, but "retro" doesn't have to mean "low quality" |
| 10:14:11 | Nothing_Much | o.o |
| 10:14:26 | kaen | the samples don't have very good bitrates, and they have really bad production value |
| 10:14:31 | Nothing_Much | you can tell that it's bad quality? |
| 10:14:35 | Nothing_Much | ah |
| 10:14:45 | kaen | well, yeah |
| 10:14:53 | kaen | I can determine that just by listening |
| 10:14:56 | Nothing_Much | you wear headphones? |
| 10:16:13 | kaen | yeah, these bad boys http://en-us.sennheiser.com/monitoring-headphone-studio-headphone-professional-audio-hd-380-pro |
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| 10:30:08 | Nothing_Much | nice headphones kaen |
| 10:30:26 | kaen | thanks :) |
| 10:30:49 | kaen | there is no describing the pleasure I derive from those things |
| 10:30:56 | kaen | worth every penny |
| 10:30:59 | Nothing_Much | how much? |
| 10:31:03 | kaen | $200 |
| 10:31:44 | Nothing_Much | holy crap that's not what I wanna spend my money on lol |
| 10:33:59 | kaen | that's how I feel when people tell me they bought a game console :P |
| 10:34:18 | Nothing_Much | but dang, if you can hear the sounds like that, then I have nothing to compare them with |
| 10:34:23 | Nothing_Much | how would you improve the sounds? |
| 10:34:40 | kaen | well, I think part of the problem is that they were just picked off the internet |
| 10:34:50 | kaen | so there's essentially not control over the quality |
| 10:35:03 | kaen | then I think they might have even been compressed to reduce the filesize |
| 10:35:09 | kaen | though, I'm not certain |
| 10:36:01 | kaen | so anyway, I'd regenerate a new set of sounds in a lossless encoding (which .wav is, but these are not direct from the audio source) and encode them in some lossy formate with a good bitrate |
| 10:37:05 | Nothing_Much | is .ogg a better compression.. thing? |
| 10:37:17 | Nothing_Much | I think it's open source too |
| 10:37:19 | kaen | that's what I'd use since we already link with lib vorbis |
| 10:37:34 | kaen | yeah, and more importantly it's not license-restricted like MP3 |
| 10:37:57 | Nothing_Much | nice |
| 10:39:32 | Nothing_Much | I hope Unity 8 will obliterate Compiz for good |
| 10:40:48 | kaen | I don't know how I feel about ubuntu's DIY attitude regarding the display stack |
| 10:41:17 | Nothing_Much | Mir? |
| 10:41:27 | kaen | if they end up with a genuinely system, that's one thing. but there's a good chance that it will just be on-par or alternative, and cause a schism |
| 10:41:34 | kaen | mir and unity both |
| 10:41:40 | kaen | genuinely superior* |
| 10:42:10 | Nothing_Much | afaik, they want full control |
| 10:42:20 | kaen | and a schism is the last thing the display server development community needs right now |
| 10:42:27 | Nothing_Much | schism? |
| 10:42:34 | kaen | like a rift, a plit |
| 10:42:35 | kaen | split |
| 10:42:42 | kaen | still adjusting to this keyboard... |
| 10:42:48 | Nothing_Much | Ah |
| 10:42:57 | kaen | a division between people hacking on weston and people hacking on mir |
| 10:43:07 | Nothing_Much | well yeah.. the problem with that is that Mir is going to be 100% controlled by Canonical |
| 10:43:25 | Nothing_Much | Wayland is a community effort as well as by Intel and other companies |
| 10:43:34 | kaen | and to make things worse, intel rejected a mir patch to the wayland reference implementation |
| 10:43:45 | kaen | so there's already signs of enmity or at least non-cooperation |
| 10:43:53 | Nothing_Much | that's what I know |
| 10:44:00 | Nothing_Much | so Canonical will have to do things on their onw |
| 10:44:02 | Nothing_Much | own |
| 10:44:18 | Nothing_Much | you should check out the drama that's going on in reddit |
| 10:44:38 | kaen | I've mostly stuck to reading each party's press releases on the topic |
| 10:47:32 | Nothing_Much | I'm mixed on a lot of things regarding the FOSS community, but when the community goes and preaches about the "freedom" aspect of Linux and say that "Ubuntu isn't Linux", then they're talking out of their ass. |
| 10:53:06 | kaen | there's merit to that argument but ultimately I agree with you that there needs to be more pragmatism regarding e.g. proprietary drivers |
| 10:53:54 | kaen | ultimately hardware vendors aren't willing to open source a lot of low-level code, and you either have to face that reality or fold your arms and stick your tongue out |
| 10:54:26 | kaen | which hurts users who can't afford (cash or time-wise) to build machines using hardware that has completely free driver support |
| 10:54:52 | Nothing_Much | I mean |
| 10:54:57 | Nothing_Much | That's pie in the sky |
| 10:55:06 | kaen | that's in fact the exact reason that I just switched from debian to ubuntu |
| 10:55:07 | Nothing_Much | The whole "freedom" aspect of Linux just doesn't work |
| 10:55:20 | kaen | I have at least three components that require binary blobs to function |
| 10:55:21 | Nothing_Much | as well as *some* people would want it to |
| 10:55:29 | kaen | yep |
| 10:55:51 | Nothing_Much | Ubuntu is a product |
| 10:55:56 | Nothing_Much | And if it's to survive |
| 10:55:56 | kaen | that's not evil or anything, that's just a modern reality of business |
| 10:56:00 | Nothing_Much | It needs to- |
| 10:56:01 | Nothing_Much | Exactly |
| 10:56:13 | Nothing_Much | Businesses do this stuff all the time |
| 10:56:33 | Nothing_Much | Although, Ubuntu tends to do it a bit more bluntly |
| 10:56:37 | kaen | yeah, I find myself rolling my eyes at the Stallman types |
| 10:56:40 | Nothing_Much | And the community reacts |
| 10:56:51 | Nothing_Much | Oh God, those freetards are just silly |
| 10:56:53 | Nothing_Much | I don't hate them |
| 10:56:59 | Nothing_Much | They have good intentions |
| 10:57:20 | Nothing_Much | But give it a rest for 5 seconds |
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| 11:00:22 | kaen | plus ubuntu uses 99.99% free software, and that last .01% is a really important part of the system |
| 11:00:36 | Nothing_Much | Yeah |
| 11:00:37 | kaen | so personally I'm okay with that compromise |
| 11:00:45 | Nothing_Much | What're your specs for your new lappy? :D |
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| 11:03:33 | kaen | 1.3Ghz Dual core AMD E-300, 3GB RAM, 320G HDD, and a really crappy onboard GPU |
| 11:03:49 | kaen | doesn't even have GRAM, but it has a 500Mhz clock so it's good enough for bitfighter |
| 11:04:06 | Nothing_Much | ew, amd |
| 11:04:18 | Nothing_Much | fglrx? |
| 11:04:20 | kaen | I only play BF and nethack, so as long is it runs my IDE I'm happy :) |
| 11:04:23 | kaen | Gallium |
| 11:04:26 | kaen | works fine so far |
| 11:04:26 | Nothing_Much | oh nice |
| 11:04:30 | Nothing_Much | yeah |
| 11:04:38 | Nothing_Much | Kernel 3.12 will make it even faster |
| 11:04:48 | Nothing_Much | and better |
| 11:04:55 | kaen | oh, what's new? |
| 11:05:25 | Nothing_Much | DPM and stuff like that |
| 11:05:26 | Nothing_Much | uh.. |
| 11:05:32 | Nothing_Much | check phoronix |
| 11:05:57 | Nothing_Much | ubuntu 13.10 uses kernel 3.11 |
| 11:05:59 | kaen | that's where I am |
| 11:06:04 | kaen | yeah, just check uname -4 |
| 11:06:06 | kaen | -r |
| 11:06:11 | Nothing_Much | yep |
| 11:06:20 | kaen | checked* |
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| 11:06:24 | kaen | man this keyboard... |
| 11:06:35 | Nothing_Much | gotta get used to it right? |
| 11:06:37 | kaen | anyway, I paid $100 for this laptop so I can't complain |
| 11:06:39 | kaen | yeah |
| 11:07:10 | Nothing_Much | 100$? holy crap dude |
| 11:07:13 | Nothing_Much | that's quite the bargain |
| 11:08:38 | kaen | bought it from my girlfriend :) |
| 11:08:47 | Nothing_Much | nice |
| 11:08:52 | kaen | so I got the "homie hookup" price |
| 11:09:08 | Nothing_Much | So does that mean she got a better computer than you now? :P |
| 11:09:17 | kaen | she's getting an ipad or something |
| 11:09:29 | kaen | she's not much of a power user |
| 11:10:42 | Nothing_Much | lol |
| 11:10:48 | Nothing_Much | iPads are awesome |
| 11:10:52 | Nothing_Much | or iDevices in general |
| 11:20:37 | koda | Greetings from an iPad |
| 11:25:29 | Nothing_Much | Hi koda |
| 11:25:46 | koda | Hey |
| 11:25:51 | Nothing_Much | What's up? |
| 11:26:50 | koda | Attending the google summer of code summit |
| 11:27:09 | koda | I was able to speak with CGG and they are willing to host us again for gci if we wish |
| 11:27:36 | Nothing_Much | Ah, cool |
| 11:27:38 | Nothing_Much | Where is that? |
| 11:29:07 | koda | At google in mountain view |
| 11:29:51 | Nothing_Much | You work at Google? o.o |
| 11:30:04 | koda | AH |
| 11:30:08 | koda | I WISH |
| 11:30:11 | koda | :p |
| 11:31:22 | Nothing_Much | I wouldn't mind working for Canonical personally :P |
| 11:33:11 | koda | If you write foss you can say you work for both :) |
| 11:33:44 | Nothing_Much | Yeah, though I don't program at all :( |
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| 12:12:43 | koda | Sigh can we get BFLogBot not to send me notices? |
| 12:12:44 | BFLogBot | I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each other's dreams, we can play together all night. -- Calvin |
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| 12:20:52 | kaen | Nothing_Much: can you tell me how to add a clock to the gnome panel?! |
| 12:21:13 | kaen | I can't find it, and #ubuntu is ignoring me, and it's not in the manual |
| 12:23:02 | kaen | oh, just found the setting for it, but it's enabled and yet no clock ... |
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| 12:29:15 | kaen | yay, fixed it! |
| 12:32:50 | koda | Yay |
| 12:32:52 | koda | What? |
| 12:32:54 | koda | :p |
| 12:59:26 | kaen | the system clock in ubuntu 13.10 :P |
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| 13:02:43 | raptor | KODA |
| 13:02:57 | raptor | Hello everyong |
| 13:03:00 | raptor | *everyone |
| 13:03:17 | kaen | hi! |
| 13:03:20 | raptor | koda: I've been trying to contact Arc and talk about GCI |
| 13:03:35 | raptor | but we keep missing each other or only respond every 1/2 hour |
| 13:03:44 | raptor | Hi! |
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| 13:04:13 | raptor | koda: are you hedgewars folks doing GCI again? |
| 13:04:43 | raptor | new laptop kaen? |
| 13:04:45 | raptor | cook |
| 13:04:46 | raptor | cool |
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| 13:06:04 | koda | Raptor yes if there are people reviewing |
| 13:06:36 | raptor | koda: what does reviewing mean in that sense? |
| 13:07:07 | koda | You need to read students' code and either reject or ask for improvement or apply |
| 13:07:22 | koda | That boils down to a review :p |
| 13:07:47 | raptor | oh |
| 13:07:53 | raptor | ok, just like we did last year |
| 13:07:58 | koda | Yeah |
| 13:08:29 | raptor | well, do you think that bitfighter would be able to join in again? I would be willing to do that, and I think watusimoto would too (maybe kaen also) |
| 13:08:53 | koda | Under cgg? Of course |
| 13:08:59 | koda | I actually mentioned that to arc |
| 13:09:20 | raptor | oh goodie! |
| 13:09:22 | koda | Hw and bf have the greenlight to join gci under cgg |
| 13:09:27 | raptor | yay! |
| 13:09:49 | raptor | ok, boss. what do I do next? It seems like GCI is sooner this year... |
| 13:10:14 | koda | Yeah I spoke on behalf of bf I hope you don't mind ^^; |
| 13:10:26 | raptor | heh |
| 13:10:28 | raptor | great! |
| 13:10:32 | raptor | (and thanks!) |
| 13:10:38 | koda | Np |
| 13:11:03 | koda | And I'd wait for cgg to be accepted, then we'll prepare tasks and then rock and roll |
| 13:11:12 | raptor | ok great |
| 13:11:21 | raptor | i'll sit tight (and be thinking of tasks) |
| 13:11:59 | koda | I can recommend multiple android/ios tasks :p |
| 13:12:07 | koda | And maybe review them if you need |
| 13:12:12 | raptor | oooo |
| 13:12:22 | raptor | you think that doing one of those isn't too advanced? |
| 13:12:29 | raptor | e.g. writing an interface... |
| 13:12:46 | koda | Not if you split in a lot of tasks |
| 13:13:00 | koda | Like 1 add a button for x |
| 13:13:10 | koda | 2 add another button for y |
| 13:13:16 | raptor | ok |
| 13:13:17 | koda | Etc |
| 13:13:25 | raptor | yeah, that might be really good |
| 13:13:35 | kaen | btw, I thought of a usable control scheme for bf on mobile |
| 13:13:51 | raptor | oh? |
| 13:14:07 | koda | [citation needed] |
| 13:14:16 | raptor | haha |
| 13:14:30 | kaen | if we put the mod1/mod2 buttons against the inside upper corners of the vsticks, you can use both sticks and both buttons at once |
| 13:14:31 | kaen | maybe |
| 13:14:38 | raptor | Watusimoto_: ryan gordon responded to you on the SDL mailing list |
| 13:14:43 | kaen | [usability testing needed] |
| 13:14:46 | kaen | :) |
| 13:14:54 | Watusimoto_ | yes, I saw |
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| 13:15:22 | Watusimoto_ | raptor: did you ever make contact with arc? |
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| 13:15:41 | raptor | Watusimoto_: koda already signed us up :) |
| 13:15:45 | koda | Kaen [implementation needed] :p |
| 13:15:51 | kaen | indeed |
| 13:15:57 | Watusimoto_ | great! now all we need are some projects |
| 13:16:03 | koda | kaen: But if you have some idea I'd like to hear |
| 13:16:06 | raptor | so if copyleftgames is accepted, then we can get to work |
| 13:16:38 | kaen | koda, what I posted above is pretty much it |
| 13:16:56 | raptor | Watusimoto_: want me to get a new SDL2 DLL for you? |
| 13:17:14 | kaen | basically you use the vsticks with the apex of your thumb's underside and then hit the mod1/mod2 buttons with the tip |
| 13:17:24 | koda | kaen: I'll read it up later then |
| 13:17:45 | Watusimoto_ | I can probaby do it more easily -- i can reproduce the bug on the stock sdl tests (no bitfighter code required). I'll update my sdl project, build, test, make the suggested mod and retest |
| 13:17:54 | raptor | ok |
| 13:18:07 | Watusimoto_ | I've already got the project set up |
| 13:18:21 | raptor | I see some xinput changes since the last DLL i gave you.. |
| 13:19:00 | kaen | basically like this http://www.twiddla.com/1352298 |
| 13:20:02 | kaen | and then you could put the weapon changing weapons somewhere close, maybe arranged in an arc |
| 13:20:07 | kaen | those are less difficult |
| 13:27:22 | kaen | back later! |
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| 13:31:59 | raptor | me too.. |
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| 13:35:26 | koda | Me too too |
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| 14:24:54 | Skybax | Hello thar |
| 14:25:05 | fordcars | Hola |
| 14:27:08 | Skybax | Hey ford, how's your house coming along? :3 |
| 14:32:04 | fordcars | Hehe oops |
| 14:32:18 | fordcars | I'll try to do it tonight |
| 14:32:33 | Skybax | Okay xD |
| 14:32:48 | Skybax | People have claimed a bunch of teams but I've gotten no submissions whatsoever lol |
| 14:32:50 | fordcars | For now, time to reboot! |
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| 14:55:24 | raptor | hello again |
| 15:06:26 | Watusimoto_ | hi |
| 15:06:52 | Watusimoto_ | we also need to make a decision about the rank indicators -- are the ones we have good enough to go with? |
| 15:06:59 | Watusimoto_ | and how did your caluk problem go? |
| 15:24:32 | raptor | i'll resume sealing tomorrow |
| 15:24:37 | raptor | haven't tried it yet |
| 15:24:47 | raptor | kaen and I already gave up on rank indicators |
| 15:25:03 | raptor | Watusimoto_: ^^ |
| 15:25:14 | raptor | it's at the bototm of the polish list under POSTPONED or whatever |
| 15:25:35 | Watusimoto_ | ok. I take it it means you guys didin;t like the latest proposal |
| 15:25:41 | Watusimoto_ | (the boxes) |
| 15:26:00 | raptor | it seemed OK, but the whole rank idea needs more polish I think... |
| 15:26:15 | Watusimoto_ | the whole concept, or the presentation of the rank? |
| 15:26:32 | raptor | maybe I'm just a perfectionist, but it still seemed out of place.. the way it was presented |
| 15:26:35 | Watusimoto_ | because we also have the level-up screens that get displayed when you get to a new rank |
| 15:26:48 | Watusimoto_ | I didn't love that presentation either |
| 15:26:59 | Watusimoto_ | I have another idea, not sure if it's any better |
| 15:27:00 | raptor | yeah... |
| 15:27:14 | raptor | I think I'm eager to release 019 before we get this 'right' |
| 15:27:19 | Watusimoto_ | a series of vertical lines for ranks 1-4: | || ||| |||| |
| 15:27:45 | Watusimoto_ | then the addition of horizontals creating a grid like pattern |
| 15:28:04 | Watusimoto_ | but yeah, I think we can defer this a bit |
| 15:28:22 | Watusimoto_ | | || ||| |||| > >> >>> >>>> |
| 15:28:24 | raptor | maybe it needs to be more subtle |
| 15:28:40 | raptor | like a pixel being a different color on the ship |
| 15:28:49 | Watusimoto_ | that's pretty subtle! |
| 15:29:20 | Watusimoto_ | if we disable the rank indicators, we need to disable the level up screens, I think |
| 15:29:32 | raptor | i already disabled rank indicators |
| 15:29:44 | raptor | I was unaware of the level-up screens |
| 15:29:49 | raptor | you snuck that in! |
| 15:30:40 | raptor | 3 of the minor bugs I fixed last night were from amgine - he sure knows how to find the obscure stuff |
| 15:33:03 | Watusimoto_ | good |
| 15:33:15 | Watusimoto_ | I'll disable the screens |
| 15:35:37 | raptor | are the /idle fixes more-or-less done? |
| 15:36:00 | raptor | seems like it works fine for me - except the message box is a little big and off-center now |
| 15:36:10 | raptor | which i'll fix if you say it's ok |
| 15:36:26 | | koda yawns |
| 15:36:33 | raptor | good morning! |
| 15:36:39 | koda | So why mercurial instead of git? |
| 15:36:52 | koda | raptor: It's 2pm here :p |
| 15:37:07 | raptor | well *I* know why I like mercurial instead of git... but github is all the rage |
| 15:38:03 | Watusimoto_ | git makes me git angry! |
| 15:38:18 | Watusimoto_ | (when I try to do something other than a simple checkin) |
| 15:38:19 | raptor | but all you need to do is understand the index, man |
| 15:38:38 | koda | I was like that but hen recently became a git fanboy |
| 15:38:51 | raptor | oh really koda? |
| 15:38:51 | Watusimoto_ | why git > hg? |
| 15:39:06 | Watusimoto_ | as far as I can tell, they have equivalent functionality |
| 15:39:07 | koda | Speed, options, flexibility, cleanup, extensions... |
| 15:39:27 | raptor | if(hasGithub) git > hg |
| 15:39:59 | raptor | git has all those things... after you understand the index |
| 15:40:12 | Watusimoto_ | but even there, the workflow for something like managing an old pull request is totally byzantine |
| 15:40:24 | raptor | but not if you understand the index! |
| 15:40:33 | raptor | ok, i'll quit now... |
| 15:40:39 | Watusimoto_ | the index... |
| 15:40:53 | raptor | (I'm mocking) |
| 15:40:59 | Watusimoto_ | really? |
| 15:41:25 | raptor | I mean, git is great... after you understand the 'index' |
| 15:41:31 | raptor | but getting there... |
| 15:41:50 | koda | True, it has a very steep learning curve |
| 15:41:56 | koda | Worse than vim in comparison |
| 15:42:20 | raptor | i just wish hghub was invented first |
| 15:42:28 | Watusimoto_ | bitbucket! |
| 15:42:32 | raptor | hughub! |
| 15:43:06 | raptor | ok... then... i guess there was more zealotry and OSS furor behind hg |
| 15:43:19 | raptor | I mean *I wish* there was |
| 15:43:49 | koda | Plus you can delete branches |
| 15:43:50 | Watusimoto_ | bitbucket has a lot of similar features to github, and uses mercurial |
| 15:43:53 | koda | And rewrote history |
| 15:43:56 | koda | Yay |
| 15:44:03 | raptor | uh... rewrite history is a bug, not a feature |
| 15:44:17 | Watusimoto_ | fixing a spelling error is a feature, not a bug |
| 15:44:37 | raptor | yeah, but when you break everyone downstream... |
| 15:45:14 | | BFLogBot Commit: 9d3de0fb3c2f | Author: watusimoto | Message: Add self-repairing items to the help. Found another use for string wrapping! |
| 15:45:15 | | BFLogBot Commit: 3f2231cc4504 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Disable the levelup notices, line endings |
| 15:45:17 | | BFLogBot Commit: d979581b2986 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Merge |
| 15:45:53 | Watusimoto_ | it shouldn't break downstream; that it does is a bug, not a feature |
| 15:46:25 | raptor | fix misspelling... everyone gets a new branch! |
| 15:46:37 | Watusimoto_ | at least for changing a commit message, it doesn;t mess with the code, so what's the big deal about letting users update them? |
| 15:47:05 | raptor | i think it's because the commit hash is based off of the message as well as other things |
| 15:47:20 | Watusimoto_ | well, maybe it shouldn't be! |
| 15:47:24 | raptor | i agree!! |
| 15:47:47 | Watusimoto_ | or maybe you hash off the original message but allow a revised message on top |
| 15:48:05 | Watusimoto_ | that's actually better because you can see a history of commit messages for a particular commit |
| 15:48:40 | Watusimoto_ | anyway, got some bad news, raptor |
| 15:49:05 | Watusimoto_ | I merged your latest commits, which included modifications to SymbolShape.cpp |
| 15:49:29 | raptor | uh oh |
| 15:49:29 | Watusimoto_ | as soon as I did that, vc++ popped up a notice that there were mixed line endings in the file |
| 15:49:36 | raptor | ha! |
| 15:49:43 | raptor | i *knew* you were the culprit... |
| 15:49:52 | raptor | :) |
| 15:49:53 | Watusimoto_ | not my conclusion at all |
| 15:50:27 | raptor | I've never touched that file before, so that means you authored it with windows line endings |
| 15:50:46 | Watusimoto_ | that's one possible conclusion |
| 15:50:52 | koda | raptor: That's what happens with hg not git |
| 15:51:19 | koda | If you rewrite history correctly downstream won't even notice |
| 15:51:20 | Watusimoto_ | download the latest and see what line endings you see on uiinstructions.cpp, which I edited most recently |
| 15:51:33 | raptor | ok |
| 15:51:54 | Watusimoto_ | could be that things are different with vc++ 2013 |
| 15:53:14 | raptor | ok, looks like your changes used UNIX line endings |
| 15:53:28 | raptor | (but there were some windows ones from some earlier commit) |
| 15:54:28 | raptor | oh yeah, almost all of symbolshape has windows line endings |
| 15:56:23 | koda | Isn't there a .hgeol file around? |
| 15:57:16 | Watusimoto_ | yes, it seems to have no effect |
| 15:57:41 | raptor | how is vc++ 2013 so far? |
| 15:57:45 | Watusimoto_ | good |
| 15:57:47 | koda | What are the contents? It should be native = |
| 15:57:50 | koda | Iirc |
| 15:58:04 | Watusimoto_ | though I can;t get edit-and-continue to work in the debugger |
| 15:59:28 | raptor | maybe they removed the feature |
| 16:00:51 | Watusimoto_ | odd... looks like the eol extension in mercurial was turned off -- I *know* I turned it on |
| 16:01:10 | Watusimoto_ | and no, the feature is still there, just maybe misconfigured |
| 16:01:14 | raptor | I think you turned it off because it was doing the opposite of what was intended |
| 16:01:42 | Watusimoto_ | yes, I do believe you are right |
| 16:02:25 | Watusimoto_ | so .hgeol is not actually present |
| 16:02:29 | Watusimoto_ | I was mistaken |
| 16:03:08 | koda | With .git you could add that to version 1 of the repo :p |
| 16:03:16 | Watusimoto_ | ah, I see |
| 16:03:17 | Watusimoto_ | The eol extension solves this problem by allowing a native (canonical) line ending type to be specified for the repository, and by converting seamlessly between the repository's and the user's native types as the user checks out and commits changes to select files. |
| 16:03:28 | Watusimoto_ | so it does convert to windows line endings |
| 16:03:32 | Watusimoto_ | which is not what I want |
| 16:03:38 | Watusimoto_ | I want \n only |
| 16:03:55 | koda | Watusimoto_: No you can choose which style is converted |
| 16:03:58 | Watusimoto_ | probably the canonical line endings were not properly set |
| 16:04:10 | raptor | koda: is hedgewars moving to git now? |
| 16:04:12 | koda | If you use native mode you won't have to worry about it |
| 16:04:17 | koda | raptor: No way |
| 16:04:34 | raptor | no?? but I thought you said you're a fan now |
| 16:04:35 | koda | raptor: I was just being trollish |
| 16:04:46 | koda | I am a fan of Firefox too |
| 16:04:47 | raptor | oh sheesh |
| 16:05:05 | koda | But that won't mean i'll use it in my project :p |
| 16:05:22 | raptor | haha |
| 16:05:33 | koda | Slow typing as I'm on ipad |
| 16:05:39 | koda | ^^' |
| 16:05:50 | raptor | man, I think one day I should meet everyone here so I can better judge the non-verbal cues I make up in my head for you all... |
| 16:06:56 | raptor | well, there is the option of using github and just letting me interface with hg-git |
| 16:07:03 | raptor | if i'm holding anyone back.. |
| 16:07:26 | raptor | koda: how are you guys going to distribute your binaries now that GC doesn't allow it? |
| 16:07:26 | koda | raptor: I'm in the us right now, we could meet at any random airport :p |
| 16:07:41 | koda | We never used GC |
| 16:07:46 | koda | We have space on Gina |
| 16:07:49 | koda | Gna |
| 16:07:57 | raptor | oh y eah... GNA |
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| 16:11:05 | Watusimoto_ | koda: I never had an .hgeol file. |
| 16:11:08 | Watusimoto_ | I'm creating it now |
| 16:12:18 | raptor | koda: how is Google? |
| 16:13:43 | koda | Watusimoto_: Feel free to use Hedgewars', it works well |
| 16:14:04 | koda | raptor: Meh this year I'm somewhat disappointed |
| 16:14:12 | koda | No one from my team is with me |
| 16:14:17 | raptor | ah |
| 16:14:19 | koda | Sessions are meh |
| 16:14:30 | raptor | are they phasing out GCI? |
| 16:14:32 | koda | Plus I'm not really in the mood lately |
| 16:14:45 | koda | I think they are not, what makes you think staff. |
| 16:14:48 | koda | That? |
| 16:15:09 | raptor | something about not being able to register unless you've registered before |
| 16:15:16 | raptor | as a mentor org, i mean |
| 16:15:29 | koda | Nah, that's just quality control |
| 16:15:46 | raptor | ah ok |
| 16:15:47 | koda | Handling teen students is difficult |
| 16:16:00 | koda | So it's ok to require at least some gsoc mentoring exp |
| 16:16:11 | raptor | ok |
| 16:16:12 | raptor | well.. |
| 16:16:19 | raptor | thanks for getting us in! |
| 16:17:40 | koda | <3 |
| 16:22:12 | | BFLogBot Commit: a6e191f9de21 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Line endings |
| 16:26:34 | raptor | Watusimoto_: looks like all of SymbolShape.cpp is proper line endings now |
| 16:26:51 | Watusimoto_ | excellent! |
| 16:27:16 | Watusimoto_ | hopefully, this will prevent you from sneaking any more crlfs into the code! |
| 16:27:31 | raptor | ha! |
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| 16:30:03 | koda | And my job here is done for the day 8-) |
| 16:34:12 | | BFLogBot Commit: 252e1c821d00 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix bad offset in old message box rendering if it had no title (like with /idle) |
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| 16:37:13 | fordcars | Howdy... Any body know how to use doom wads? I keep getting a error telling me to register |
| 16:37:44 | raptor | depends on the application - I've never had a problem loading them in all the various opensource ports |
| 16:38:40 | fordcars | I am using cjocolate doom |
| 16:39:37 | fordcars | I tryied 3 wads. The wiki says it dupports iwads natively |
| 16:39:54 | raptor | never used that one.. |
| 16:40:01 | fordcars | Sorry about typos :p |
| 16:40:56 | fordcars | heh |
| 16:41:17 | fordcars | *chocolate-doom |
| 16:42:04 | fordcars | I get: You cannot -file with shareway version. Register! |
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| 16:56:22 | raptor | ah |
| 16:57:33 | koda | raptor: Can you limit BFLogBot notices? |
| 16:57:34 | BFLogBot | For your information, I'm staying like this, and everyone else can just get used to it! If people don't like me the way I am, well TOUGH BEANS! It's a free country! I don't need anyone's permission to be the way I want! This is how I am - Take it or leave it! -- Calvin |
| 16:57:52 | koda | ._. |
| 16:59:28 | raptor | koda: which notices? |
| 17:00:03 | koda | BFLogBot: Sends me "this channel is logged" every time I join |
| 17:00:04 | BFLogBot | For your information, I'm staying like this, and everyone else can just get used to it! If people don't like me the way I am, well TOUGH BEANS! It's a free country! I don't need anyone's permission to be the way I want! This is how I am - Take it or leave it! -- Calvin |
| 17:00:15 | raptor | ah ok |
| 17:00:25 | raptor | yes, I can turn that off... any reason why? |
| 17:00:53 | koda | Because I know that after the n-th he pms me :p |
| 17:00:59 | raptor | heh, ok |
| 17:08:06 | Watusimoto_ | it is a nice reminder, however, to less frequent users that they are being recorded |
| 17:08:51 | koda | Yup |
| 17:09:02 | koda | Make it accept a command |
| 17:09:04 | Watusimoto_ | in this age of constant suveillance... |
| 17:09:16 | koda | Or have a user-based database |
| 17:09:20 | raptor | accept a command? |
| 17:09:25 | Watusimoto_ | I only wish our government(s) would have the courtesy to do the same |
| 17:09:39 | koda | A silence command :p |
| 17:09:51 | Watusimoto_ | a no-koda command |
| 17:09:57 | koda | Have ChanServ |
| 17:10:35 | koda | Print something instead of notices |
| 17:10:39 | raptor | sadly our government(s) are an extension of the people.. |
| 17:10:44 | raptor | print? |
| 17:11:07 | koda | Print out |
| 17:11:16 | koda | Writedown |
| 17:11:24 | koda | Topic |
| 17:11:35 | raptor | ahhh topic |
| 17:11:41 | raptor | good idea |
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| 17:28:24 | Watusimoto_ | Done for the night |
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| 17:29:08 | koda | That sounds meaner than necessary :p |
| 17:29:17 | koda | But thanks |
| 17:29:17 | raptor | oh |
| 17:29:30 | raptor | uh... sorry. I didn't mean to be mean :-/ |
| 17:29:44 | koda | I'm JFK |
| 17:29:46 | koda | Jk |
| 17:29:49 | koda | Joking |
| 17:29:50 | raptor | and honestly, I was tired of the notices, too |
| 17:29:50 | Watusimoto_ | he meant it well! |
| 17:29:52 | raptor | heh |
| 17:29:59 | koda | Damn autocompletion |
| 17:30:02 | Watusimoto_ | he meant you were the agent of change |
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| 17:30:30 | Watusimoto_ | raptor: I'm trying to use the formal bug tracker more |
| 17:30:36 | Watusimoto_ | epseically as we get close to release |
| 17:30:45 | Watusimoto_ | though I suppose it competees with the polish list |
| 17:30:49 | raptor | Watusimoto_: ok |
| 17:31:07 | raptor | have you taken a look at the polish list recently? |
| 17:31:21 | Watusimoto_ | that you and kaen created after kaen complained we had a secondary bug tracking system in the wiki :-) |
| 17:31:28 | Watusimoto_ | I have not |
| 17:31:31 | Watusimoto_ | but will |
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| 17:36:31 | raptor | heh |
| 17:36:34 | raptor | yeah... |
| 17:36:39 | raptor | http://board.net/p/bf_019_polish |
| 17:40:50 | raptor | kaen: you around? |
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| 18:12:22 | | BFLogBot Commit: 778cd2f8e312 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Only delete items being dragged to the dock in normal dock items mode |
| 18:20:10 | kaen | hi raptor |
| 18:20:14 | koda | Oahu |
| 18:20:20 | koda | Ohai |
| 18:20:43 | kaen | heh |
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| 19:04:33 | raptor | oh hi kaen |
| 19:06:08 | raptor | i just wanted to make sure I coded the proper behavior - I made it so dragging an item to the dock in plugin mode doesn't delete it |
| 19:09:54 | kaen | sounds correct, I'll update real quick |
| 19:22:35 | kaen | yep, looks good |
| 19:22:44 | Nothing_Much | Hey guys |
| 19:22:58 | kaen | hello! |
| 19:23:28 | kaen | wow I hate the Ubuntu font so much |
| 19:23:31 | kaen | I miss my droid fonts |
| 19:24:10 | raptor | went with ubuntu, huh? |
| 19:24:11 | kaen | I think it's the lowercase L's that rub me the wrong way |
| 19:24:16 | raptor | thought about mint? |
| 19:24:23 | kaen | hmm actually no |
| 19:24:36 | kaen | but I went with ubuntu over debian because they distribute some blobs I need |
| 19:25:22 | kaen | I need to give modern Mint a try, last go-round was almost three years ago |
| 19:31:06 | raptor | yes, good to get proper drivers... |
| 19:31:18 | raptor | you could always do... openSUSE! :) |
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| 20:05:58 | HylianSavior | i don't like mint |
| 20:09:37 | raptor | mint ice cream! |
| 20:15:49 | Nothing_Much | kaen, the fonts aren't that bad :( |
| 20:37:04 | raptor | !bugs |
| 20:37:04 | BFLogBot | To enter a bug: http://tinyurl.com/bfnewbug -- To view all bugs: http://tinyurl.com/bfbugs |
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| 21:03:05 | raptor | ok kaen, I moved the bugs we can dupe off of the polish list and into the tracker |
| 21:03:10 | raptor | heading out for a bit, back later |
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