#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2013-12-30

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01:45:29 raptor hi
01:49:09 vs73nx hello
01:49:26 Nothing_Much hey
01:49:59 vs73nx its a bit quiet on #bitfighter today
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02:27:00 Nothing_Much Why yes it is
02:27:04 Nothing_Much Very quiet
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02:32:43 Nothing_Much *Skybax_
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03:12:22 Little_Apple raptor: help!
03:27:57 Little_Apple done for tonight!
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04:51:37 Nothing_Much Everybody havin' a good year so far? :D
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05:30:08 BFLogBot Commit: ef39085235f3 | Author: sam8641 | Message: Move parts of GameRecorder into GameRecorderPlayback
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07:21:19 Nothing_Much Hi kumul
07:21:27 kumul hey Nothing_Much !
07:21:33 kumul awake at this hour?
07:21:37 Nothing_Much yeah sorta
07:21:44 Nothing_Much about to go to sleep in maybe 10 minutes
07:21:56 Nothing_Much been wonderin' where kaen went
07:22:43 Nothing_Much how've you been though kumul?
07:24:21 kumul sick, with panics. but well enough
07:24:52 BFLogBot Commit: 58c801ef372a | Author: sam8641 | Message: Fixed /setserverdescr crash
07:25:56 Nothing_Much oh man that stinks
07:26:00 Nothing_Much hope ya feel better soon
07:27:36 kumul nah, im fine now.
07:27:43 kumul training for the 31
07:27:47 kumul so that i dont sleep
07:27:52 kumul maybe i can do it this year
07:29:36 Nothing_Much 31?
07:29:44 kumul new years
07:30:05 kumul wish i could stay outside the entire day
07:30:28 kumul but gangsters and idiots start shooting. stray fucking bullets man
07:30:57 Nothing_Much oh yeah
07:31:01 Nothing_Much oh man
07:31:04 Nothing_Much that really stinks
07:31:26 kumul yeah. its horrible
07:31:38 kumul if only there werent drunk stupid people
07:32:00 kumul if drinking didnt make you stupid i mean
07:38:39 Nothing_Much Then how would you get stupid then? :P
08:04:44 kumul exactly :)
08:04:45 kumul night
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09:28:21 Nothing_Much Hi watusimoto
09:30:36 vs73nx hello watusimoto
09:39:23 vs73nx watusimoto: i am getting an error which io dont know how to solve...
09:39:24 vs73nx v
09:39:30 vs73nx error: conversion from ‘TNL::Vector<std::basic_string<char> >’ to non-scalar type ‘std::string {aka std::basic_string<char>}’ requested
09:39:31 vs73nx string str = mCmdLineParams[CmdLineParams::USE_LEVEL_PLAYLIST];
09:42:54 vs73nx nvm fixed it
10:16:40 vs73nx watusimoto: im seriously stuck
10:17:03 vs73nx stuck in pointe/reference/OOP hell
10:18:43 vs73nx i have a function in FileLevelList that is called
10:18:45 vs73nx static Vector<string> findLevelsInPlaylist(const string &mPlaylistFile, GridDatabase* database, Game *game);
10:19:42 vs73nx unfortunantly to call this functuion i need GridDatabase* database, Game *game
10:20:32 vs73nx i cant initalise game() because it wants me to inheret some virtual functions
10:20:44 vs73nx which i obvoiusly cant do
10:20:54 vs73nx i also cant spell as well as type
10:22:09 vs73nx FULL ERROR
10:22:12 vs73nx The type 'Zap::Game' must implement the inherited pure virtual method 'Zap::Game::playSoundEffect'
10:22:23 vs73nx does anyone know how to fix?
10:24:22 vs73nx the main problem is that i need to call this...
10:24:23 vs73nx game->parseLevelLine
10:24:56 vs73nx but i cant because it requires game* and GridDatabase*
10:25:02 vs73nx which i am unable to use
10:59:29 vs73nx ok ill sleep on this problem...
10:59:32 vs73nx bai
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12:11:28 Nothing_Much Looks like a couple of people are playin'
12:14:48 Nothing_Much 3 people
12:18:56 Nothing_Much How's it going watusimoto?
12:19:35 Nothing_Much oskopek: What's up?
12:19:49 oskopek Nothing_Much: hey
12:19:59 Nothing_Much How's it going?
12:20:09 oskopek working on a PySoy task right now
12:20:15 oskopek how about you?
12:20:25 Nothing_Much oh my, uh, I'm just hangin' out here
12:21:08 Nothing_Much and browsing the web as usual
12:21:11 Nothing_Much and promoting!
12:21:16 oskopek where are you from?
12:21:54 Nothing_Much USA
12:22:34 Nothing_Much what about you?
12:22:35 oskopek which part?
12:22:38 oskopek Slovakia
12:23:45 Nothing_Much oh cool
12:23:48 Nothing_Much I'm from Florida
12:23:51 Nothing_Much southeastern
12:25:20 oskopek I've lived near Toronto for a year a while ago
12:25:33 Nothing_Much Canada?
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12:28:23 oskopek yeah
12:30:44 Nothing_Much cool, never been there
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12:56:16 Nothing_Much Hey Canseco
12:58:10 Canseco hi Nothing_Much
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13:42:31 Nothing_Much Hey LordDVG
14:37:35 LordDVG hello Nothing_Much
14:37:52 Nothing_Much What's up?
14:44:25 LordDVG I have bought a new internet
14:44:30 LordDVG from different ISP
14:44:39 LordDVG and it's very cool
14:44:40 Nothing_Much Oh nice dude
15:19:00 Invisible hi
15:23:14 Nothing_Much Hi Invisible
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16:29:57 Nothing_Much Hello again
16:42:05 raptor hi
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16:46:45 Nothing_Much How's everyone?
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16:55:25 raptor I think this is why I'm still sick:  http://www.airquality.utah.gov/aqp/currentconditions.php?id=np
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16:59:41 Nothing_Much Oh dear
16:59:46 Nothing_Much You should take some meds raptor
16:59:59 Nothing_Much Oh wait
17:00:10 Nothing_Much Yikes, that's unhealthy.. air?
17:00:20 Nothing_Much Consider moving dude
17:03:10 Nothing_Much Alright, well there's been some activity in BF this mornin'
17:03:51 raptor yes, we have/are considering that - but this area is really good for raising kids, and this polution only happens in a couple of the winter months (it's not because we pollute much more than anywhere else, it's because the air currents in this valley during winter create the situation)
17:05:42 Nothing_Much move to princeton NJ!
17:09:05 raptor what's there?
17:10:22 Nothing_Much excellent schools mostly, that's where princeton university is (if you can get in there it'd be amazing for you and your kids) and the community's nice too
17:27:45 Nothing_Much Hmm.. I see the BF page on GameJolt!
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18:23:53 Nothing_Much Hello
18:23:58 Nothing_Much Oh goddammit
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18:36:45 Nothing_Much Hi-
18:36:46 Nothing_Much Oi
18:43:04 oskopek Nothing_Much: too late? :)
18:43:41 Nothing_Much oskopek: Yeah..
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21:10:20 Watusimoto sam686: >>Fix GhostingSanity test<<  Haven't tested your fix yet, but have been looking at this on-and-off for a few days now... I never would have guessed at the cause!
21:17:51 raptor hi Watusimoto
21:17:56 Watusimoto hi
21:18:05 Watusimoto contest deadline is in ~24 hours, right?
21:18:16 raptor when skipping the assert, all tests pass except for 2 now
21:18:29 Watusimoto great
21:18:30 raptor it was tonight, but I extended it until tomorrow night
21:18:41 Watusimoto ok, wanted to make sure
21:18:55 raptor I only have one person that sent me a revised map so far...
21:19:06 Watusimoto well, you'll get more
21:20:50 Watusimoto I sat down to finally fix the robot test bug, only to find that sam686 had fixed it in the must unexpected way
21:21:05 raptor ha
21:21:14 raptor a lot of his fixes are like that...
21:23:04 Watusimoto spawnDelay tests are still broken
21:23:06 Watusimoto alas
21:25:05 Watusimoto though this also doesn't look serious
21:25:17 Watusimoto i.e. I think the test is broken, but not the game
21:25:55 raptor I think so too, but haven't looked that much into it..
21:26:10 raptor I haven't done much of anything - been sick for about 13 days now
21:26:22 Watusimoto whoa... that's pretty sucky
21:26:41 raptor I think I'm on my third cold right now
21:26:52 Watusimoto sorry to hear that
21:27:15 raptor so brain work hasn't been very easy - but managing the contest is OK
21:28:05 Watusimoto well, I hope you feel better
21:28:46 raptor thanks
21:30:43 raptor ha!  one of the players created an account with their contest pseudonym just to post
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21:33:26 Watusimoto great
21:37:27 raptor oh Watusimoto, i wanted to ask you about burst behavior - should they explodw on contact with *any* ship, including teammates?
21:37:40 Watusimoto I think so
21:37:54 Watusimoto I think bursts should behave consistently
21:38:02 raptor ok
21:38:09 Watusimoto it woudl seem weird otherwise
21:38:20 Watusimoto and may not always be immediately clear why
21:38:21 raptor I got a compliment of sorts from bobdaduck -
21:38:29 Watusimoto that's good
21:39:01 raptor "I'm dissatisfied with the new balance changes...  Like now everything is balanced in that everything equally sucks"
21:39:48 raptor but besides that - many players have mention in-game how we got the balancing much, much better
21:40:02 Watusimoto good
21:40:52 raptor i'v eeven seen players use seeker and bouncer more
21:41:48 Watusimoto seeker!!
21:44:45 raptor oh, question about how onScoreChanged should behave in Lua scripts - right now onScoreChange is triggered before the in-game score is updated, should that be the way it works?
21:45:20 Watusimoto fixed that assert in the tests
21:45:46 Watusimoto oh, as opposed to after the score changes?
21:46:19 raptor for example,  if my team score is 10 and i capture a flag, the game:getGameInfo():getTeam(1):getScore says 10, even though capturing would put it at 11
21:46:20 raptor yes
21:46:59 raptor so the event it pushed before the in game score is updated everywhere
21:47:01 raptor *is
21:47:13 Watusimoto I think running before the score changes is good, however, the new score needs to be available
21:47:47 Watusimoto though if the score is updated, and the event is immediately run, maybe it could run after the score is updated but before it is announced to the clients
21:48:08 Watusimoto the idea being that the script should be able to manipulate the score as it is changing
21:48:20 raptor well, the new score is easily available - the signature is  onScoreChanged(scoreChange, teamIndex, player)
21:48:30 raptor so you can get the current score and add scoreChange to it
21:48:48 Watusimoto maybe the script should receive the score event (i.e. what triggered the score change) as well
21:49:08 Watusimoto don't know if that is easy to get at the point the event is triggered
21:49:08 raptor like  flagCaptured event or something?
21:49:12 Watusimoto yes
21:49:34 raptor I don't mind leaving it as it is - but it was not as i expected the first time i played with it
21:49:35 Watusimoto because just knowing the score is changing doesn't really give you much to go on
21:49:39 raptor and i probably wrote it...
21:49:42 Watusimoto :-)
21:50:11 BFLogBot Commit: 6ceaef55c2a7 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Formatting
21:50:12 BFLogBot Commit: 0b51fce31887 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Minor -- comments mostly
21:50:14 BFLogBot Commit: 509c564dc137 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Merge
21:50:15 BFLogBot Commit: 3b6bed7b8207 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Fix in-test assert by gently disconnecting and idling a bit to give everyone a chance to catch up
21:50:25 Watusimoto the only use case I can see is to maniulate the scoring system
21:50:33 raptor hmmm
21:50:42 Watusimoto so you would want to do something different than what the game would do
21:50:52 raptor that migh tbe tricky
21:51:17 Watusimoto well, another use case would be to rebalance the teams as one pulls ahead
21:51:34 Watusimoto in that case, knowing the new score is what;s important, and the reason may not be
21:52:09 Watusimoto maybe it should be called after the score has been updated
21:52:16 raptor maybe it should be onScoreChanging
21:52:18 Watusimoto that might be more intuitive
21:53:40 Watusimoto my original thought for a different event was that the event would be called before the scoring took place, and would return true if the scoring should be updated as normal, or false to suppress it
21:54:03 raptor interesting...
21:54:09 Watusimoto that pattern could apply to a lot of events
21:54:16 Watusimoto team changes, for example
21:56:06 raptor so more of an interceptor
21:56:51 Watusimoto yes
21:57:11 Watusimoto so it could alter the flow of events, but also respond to them without altering their flow
21:57:29 Watusimoto maybe it would make sense to have two events: onScoreChanging() and onScoreChanged()
21:57:42 Watusimoto the first being an interceptor, the 2nd a response
21:57:53 Watusimoto that pattern could also be applied widely
21:58:19 Watusimoto it might make the semantics of calling them clearer
21:58:28 Watusimoto and give you a better idea of what to expect
21:58:41 Watusimoto hopefully reducing the confusion you experienced
21:59:47 raptor So I'm thinking for 019a I should fix it to be after the score has actually changed
21:59:58 raptor then we can add a feature request about interceptors
22:00:18 Watusimoto yes
22:00:19 Watusimoto agreed
22:00:32 Watusimoto I meant to add that we need not do both right now
22:03:17 raptor I was hoping for 019a by new year's
22:03:39 raptor but I haven't been fixing much
22:03:51 raptor and all the current issues look to smart for me at the moment
22:03:55 raptor *too
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22:05:29 Watusimoto yeah, we'll never make that
22:05:36 Watusimoto but I also want to get things out soon
22:05:55 Watusimoto perhaps we could do a 019a release before everythign is done, then finish the rest for 019b
22:06:32 raptor we could!
22:09:21 Watusimoto I'm not excited about that idea, but would go along if 1) you really wanted it and 2) the remaining issues look as ugly as they looked a few days ago
22:10:10 raptor 2 is true...  1 not so much, but getting there
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22:44:06 Watusimoto sam686: I need more info about a change you made in 361c2cc46d52 (9046)
22:44:21 Watusimoto specifically this:
22:44:22 Watusimoto -   if(mClientInfo->updateReturnToGameTimer(timeDelta))     // Time to spawn a delayed player!
22:44:22 Watusimoto +   if(!isInitiator() && mClientInfo->updateReturnToGameTimer(timeDelta))     // Time to spawn a delayed player!
23:05:48 Watusimoto nevermind... I see why you added that; I need to partially restore the line, but will try to do so in a way that doesn't crash anything
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23:20:48 raptor i made a commit!
23:20:53 BFLogBot Commit: 3fbc096c5762 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix onScoreChanged in team games being fired before the team score was updated
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23:38:35 Watusimoto_ great!!

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01:49:09	vs73nx	hello
01:49:26	Nothing_Much	hey
01:49:59	vs73nx	its a bit quiet on #bitfighter today
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02:27:00	Nothing_Much	Why yes it is
02:27:04	Nothing_Much	Very quiet
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02:32:40	Nothing_Much	Hey Skybax
02:32:43	Nothing_Much	*Skybax_
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03:12:22	Little_Apple	raptor: help!
03:27:57	Little_Apple	done for tonight!
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04:51:37	Nothing_Much	Everybody havin' a good year so far? :D
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07:21:19	Nothing_Much	Hi kumul
07:21:27	kumul	hey Nothing_Much !
07:21:33	kumul	awake at this hour?
07:21:37	Nothing_Much	yeah sorta
07:21:44	Nothing_Much	about to go to sleep in maybe 10 minutes
07:21:56	Nothing_Much	been wonderin' where kaen went
07:22:43	Nothing_Much	how've you been though kumul?
07:24:21	kumul	sick, with panics. but well enough
07:24:52		BFLogBot Commit: 58c801ef372a \| Author: sam8641 \| Message: Fixed /setserverdescr crash
07:25:56	Nothing_Much	oh man that stinks
07:26:00	Nothing_Much	hope ya feel better soon
07:27:36	kumul	nah, im fine now.
07:27:43	kumul	training for the 31
07:27:47	kumul	so that i dont sleep
07:27:52	kumul	maybe i can do it this year
07:29:36	Nothing_Much	31?
07:29:44	kumul	new years
07:30:05	kumul	wish i could stay outside the entire day
07:30:28	kumul	but gangsters and idiots start shooting. stray fucking bullets man
07:30:57	Nothing_Much	oh yeah
07:31:01	Nothing_Much	oh man
07:31:04	Nothing_Much	that really stinks
07:31:26	kumul	yeah. its horrible
07:31:38	kumul	if only there werent drunk stupid people
07:32:00	kumul	if drinking didnt make you stupid i mean
07:38:39	Nothing_Much	Then how would you get stupid then? :P
08:04:44	kumul	exactly :)
08:04:45	kumul	night
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09:28:21	Nothing_Much	Hi watusimoto
09:30:36	vs73nx	hello watusimoto
09:39:23	vs73nx	watusimoto: i am getting an error which io dont know how to solve...
09:39:24	vs73nx	v
09:39:30	vs73nx	error: conversion from ‘TNL::Vector<std::basic_string<char> >’ to non-scalar type ‘std::string {aka std::basic_string<char>}’ requested
09:39:31	vs73nx	string str = mCmdLineParams[CmdLineParams::USE_LEVEL_PLAYLIST];
09:42:54	vs73nx	nvm fixed it
10:16:40	vs73nx	watusimoto: im seriously stuck
10:17:03	vs73nx	stuck in pointe/reference/OOP hell
10:18:43	vs73nx	i have a function in FileLevelList that is called
10:18:45	vs73nx	static Vector<string> findLevelsInPlaylist(const string &mPlaylistFile, GridDatabase* database, Game *game);
10:19:42	vs73nx	unfortunantly to call this functuion i need GridDatabase* database, Game *game
10:20:32	vs73nx	i cant initalise game() because it wants me to inheret some virtual functions
10:20:44	vs73nx	which i obvoiusly cant do
10:20:54	vs73nx	i also cant spell as well as type
10:22:09	vs73nx	FULL ERROR
10:22:12	vs73nx	The type 'Zap::Game' must implement the inherited pure virtual method 'Zap::Game::playSoundEffect'
10:22:23	vs73nx	does anyone know how to fix?
10:24:22	vs73nx	the main problem is that i need to call this...
10:24:23	vs73nx	game->parseLevelLine
10:24:56	vs73nx	but i cant because it requires game* and GridDatabase*
10:25:02	vs73nx	which i am unable to use
10:59:29	vs73nx	ok ill sleep on this problem...
10:59:32	vs73nx	bai
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12:11:28	Nothing_Much	Looks like a couple of people are playin'
12:14:48	Nothing_Much	3 people
12:18:56	Nothing_Much	How's it going watusimoto?
12:19:35	Nothing_Much	oskopek: What's up?
12:19:49	oskopek	Nothing_Much: hey
12:19:59	Nothing_Much	How's it going?
12:20:09	oskopek	working on a PySoy task right now
12:20:15	oskopek	how about you?
12:20:25	Nothing_Much	oh my, uh, I'm just hangin' out here
12:21:08	Nothing_Much	and browsing the web as usual
12:21:11	Nothing_Much	and promoting!
12:21:16	oskopek	where are you from?
12:21:54	Nothing_Much	USA
12:22:34	Nothing_Much	what about you?
12:22:35	oskopek	which part?
12:22:38	oskopek	Slovakia
12:23:45	Nothing_Much	oh cool
12:23:48	Nothing_Much	I'm from Florida
12:23:51	Nothing_Much	southeastern
12:25:20	oskopek	I've lived near Toronto for a year a while ago
12:25:33	Nothing_Much	Canada?
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12:28:23	oskopek	yeah
12:30:44	Nothing_Much	cool, never been there
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12:56:16	Nothing_Much	Hey Canseco
12:58:10	Canseco	hi Nothing_Much
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13:42:31	Nothing_Much	Hey LordDVG
14:37:35	LordDVG	hello Nothing_Much
14:37:52	Nothing_Much	What's up?
14:44:25	LordDVG	I have bought a new internet
14:44:30	LordDVG	from different ISP
14:44:39	LordDVG	and it's very cool
14:44:40	Nothing_Much	Oh nice dude
15:19:00	Invisible	hi
15:23:14	Nothing_Much	Hi Invisible
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16:29:57	Nothing_Much	Hello again
16:42:05	raptor	hi
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16:46:45	Nothing_Much	How's everyone?
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16:55:25	raptor	I think this is why I'm still sick: http://www.airquality.utah.gov/aqp/currentconditions.php?id=np
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16:59:41	Nothing_Much	Oh dear
16:59:46	Nothing_Much	You should take some meds raptor
16:59:59	Nothing_Much	Oh wait
17:00:10	Nothing_Much	Yikes, that's unhealthy.. air?
17:00:20	Nothing_Much	Consider moving dude
17:03:10	Nothing_Much	Alright, well there's been some activity in BF this mornin'
17:03:51	raptor	yes, we have/are considering that - but this area is really good for raising kids, and this polution only happens in a couple of the winter months (it's not because we pollute much more than anywhere else, it's because the air currents in this valley during winter create the situation)
17:05:42	Nothing_Much	move to princeton NJ!
17:09:05	raptor	what's there?
17:10:22	Nothing_Much	excellent schools mostly, that's where princeton university is (if you can get in there it'd be amazing for you and your kids) and the community's nice too
17:27:45	Nothing_Much	Hmm.. I see the BF page on GameJolt!
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18:23:53	Nothing_Much	Hello
18:23:58	Nothing_Much	Oh goddammit
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18:36:45	Nothing_Much	Hi-
18:36:46	Nothing_Much	Oi
18:43:04	oskopek	Nothing_Much: too late? :)
18:43:41	Nothing_Much	oskopek: Yeah..
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21:10:20	Watusimoto	sam686: >>Fix GhostingSanity test<< Haven't tested your fix yet, but have been looking at this on-and-off for a few days now... I never would have guessed at the cause!
21:17:51	raptor	hi Watusimoto
21:17:56	Watusimoto	hi
21:18:05	Watusimoto	contest deadline is in ~24 hours, right?
21:18:16	raptor	when skipping the assert, all tests pass except for 2 now
21:18:29	Watusimoto	great
21:18:30	raptor	it was tonight, but I extended it until tomorrow night
21:18:41	Watusimoto	ok, wanted to make sure
21:18:55	raptor	I only have one person that sent me a revised map so far...
21:19:06	Watusimoto	well, you'll get more
21:20:50	Watusimoto	I sat down to finally fix the robot test bug, only to find that sam686 had fixed it in the must unexpected way
21:21:05	raptor	ha
21:21:14	raptor	a lot of his fixes are like that...
21:23:04	Watusimoto	spawnDelay tests are still broken
21:23:06	Watusimoto	alas
21:25:05	Watusimoto	though this also doesn't look serious
21:25:17	Watusimoto	i.e. I think the test is broken, but not the game
21:25:55	raptor	I think so too, but haven't looked that much into it..
21:26:10	raptor	I haven't done much of anything - been sick for about 13 days now
21:26:22	Watusimoto	whoa... that's pretty sucky
21:26:41	raptor	I think I'm on my third cold right now
21:26:52	Watusimoto	sorry to hear that
21:27:15	raptor	so brain work hasn't been very easy - but managing the contest is OK
21:28:05	Watusimoto	well, I hope you feel better
21:28:46	raptor	thanks
21:30:43	raptor	ha! one of the players created an account with their contest pseudonym just to post
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21:33:26	Watusimoto	great
21:37:27	raptor	oh Watusimoto, i wanted to ask you about burst behavior - should they explodw on contact with any ship, including teammates?
21:37:40	Watusimoto	I think so
21:37:54	Watusimoto	I think bursts should behave consistently
21:38:02	raptor	ok
21:38:09	Watusimoto	it woudl seem weird otherwise
21:38:20	Watusimoto	and may not always be immediately clear why
21:38:21	raptor	I got a compliment of sorts from bobdaduck -
21:38:29	Watusimoto	that's good
21:39:01	raptor	"I'm dissatisfied with the new balance changes... Like now everything is balanced in that everything equally sucks"
21:39:48	raptor	but besides that - many players have mention in-game how we got the balancing much, much better
21:40:02	Watusimoto	good
21:40:52	raptor	i'v eeven seen players use seeker and bouncer more
21:41:48	Watusimoto	seeker!!
21:44:45	raptor	oh, question about how onScoreChanged should behave in Lua scripts - right now onScoreChange is triggered before the in-game score is updated, should that be the way it works?
21:45:20	Watusimoto	fixed that assert in the tests
21:45:46	Watusimoto	oh, as opposed to after the score changes?
21:46:19	raptor	for example, if my team score is 10 and i capture a flag, the game:getGameInfo():getTeam(1):getScore says 10, even though capturing would put it at 11
21:46:20	raptor	yes
21:46:59	raptor	so the event it pushed before the in game score is updated everywhere
21:47:01	raptor	*is
21:47:13	Watusimoto	I think running before the score changes is good, however, the new score needs to be available
21:47:47	Watusimoto	though if the score is updated, and the event is immediately run, maybe it could run after the score is updated but before it is announced to the clients
21:48:08	Watusimoto	the idea being that the script should be able to manipulate the score as it is changing
21:48:20	raptor	well, the new score is easily available - the signature is onScoreChanged(scoreChange, teamIndex, player)
21:48:30	raptor	so you can get the current score and add scoreChange to it
21:48:48	Watusimoto	maybe the script should receive the score event (i.e. what triggered the score change) as well
21:49:08	Watusimoto	don't know if that is easy to get at the point the event is triggered
21:49:08	raptor	like flagCaptured event or something?
21:49:12	Watusimoto	yes
21:49:34	raptor	I don't mind leaving it as it is - but it was not as i expected the first time i played with it
21:49:35	Watusimoto	because just knowing the score is changing doesn't really give you much to go on
21:49:39	raptor	and i probably wrote it...
21:49:42	Watusimoto	:-)
21:50:11		BFLogBot Commit: 6ceaef55c2a7 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Formatting
21:50:12		BFLogBot Commit: 0b51fce31887 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Minor -- comments mostly
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21:50:15		BFLogBot Commit: 3b6bed7b8207 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Fix in-test assert by gently disconnecting and idling a bit to give everyone a chance to catch up
21:50:25	Watusimoto	the only use case I can see is to maniulate the scoring system
21:50:33	raptor	hmmm
21:50:42	Watusimoto	so you would want to do something different than what the game would do
21:50:52	raptor	that migh tbe tricky
21:51:17	Watusimoto	well, another use case would be to rebalance the teams as one pulls ahead
21:51:34	Watusimoto	in that case, knowing the new score is what;s important, and the reason may not be
21:52:09	Watusimoto	maybe it should be called after the score has been updated
21:52:16	raptor	maybe it should be onScoreChanging
21:52:18	Watusimoto	that might be more intuitive
21:53:40	Watusimoto	my original thought for a different event was that the event would be called before the scoring took place, and would return true if the scoring should be updated as normal, or false to suppress it
21:54:03	raptor	interesting...
21:54:09	Watusimoto	that pattern could apply to a lot of events
21:54:16	Watusimoto	team changes, for example
21:56:06	raptor	so more of an interceptor
21:56:51	Watusimoto	yes
21:57:11	Watusimoto	so it could alter the flow of events, but also respond to them without altering their flow
21:57:29	Watusimoto	maybe it would make sense to have two events: onScoreChanging() and onScoreChanged()
21:57:42	Watusimoto	the first being an interceptor, the 2nd a response
21:57:53	Watusimoto	that pattern could also be applied widely
21:58:19	Watusimoto	it might make the semantics of calling them clearer
21:58:28	Watusimoto	and give you a better idea of what to expect
21:58:41	Watusimoto	hopefully reducing the confusion you experienced
21:59:47	raptor	So I'm thinking for 019a I should fix it to be after the score has actually changed
21:59:58	raptor	then we can add a feature request about interceptors
22:00:18	Watusimoto	yes
22:00:19	Watusimoto	agreed
22:00:32	Watusimoto	I meant to add that we need not do both right now
22:03:17	raptor	I was hoping for 019a by new year's
22:03:39	raptor	but I haven't been fixing much
22:03:51	raptor	and all the current issues look to smart for me at the moment
22:03:55	raptor	*too
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22:05:29	Watusimoto	yeah, we'll never make that
22:05:36	Watusimoto	but I also want to get things out soon
22:05:55	Watusimoto	perhaps we could do a 019a release before everythign is done, then finish the rest for 019b
22:06:32	raptor	we could!
22:09:21	Watusimoto	I'm not excited about that idea, but would go along if 1) you really wanted it and 2) the remaining issues look as ugly as they looked a few days ago
22:10:10	raptor	2 is true... 1 not so much, but getting there
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22:44:06	Watusimoto	sam686: I need more info about a change you made in 361c2cc46d52 (9046)
22:44:21	Watusimoto	specifically this:
22:44:22	Watusimoto	- if(mClientInfo->updateReturnToGameTimer(timeDelta)) // Time to spawn a delayed player!
22:44:22	Watusimoto	+ if(!isInitiator() && mClientInfo->updateReturnToGameTimer(timeDelta)) // Time to spawn a delayed player!
23:05:48	Watusimoto	nevermind... I see why you added that; I need to partially restore the line, but will try to do so in a way that doesn't crash anything
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23:20:48	raptor	i made a commit!
23:20:53		BFLogBot Commit: 3fbc096c5762 \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: Fix onScoreChanged in team games being fired before the team score was updated
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23:38:35	Watusimoto_	great!!