#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2014-01-23

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04:18:01 fordcars Later, gonna make food
04:18:07 fordcars Mhahaha
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05:22:14 Nothing_Much Hi everyone
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06:05:09 bobdaduck I WENT TO THE CIRCUS
06:05:19 bobdaduck IT WAS AMAZING
06:05:22 bobdaduck I RODE AN ELEPHANT
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06:05:35 bobdaduck I WILL BE IN SENSORY OVERLOAD FOR LIKE YEARS NOW.
06:06:15 bobdaduck CIRCUS.
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06:13:54 fordcars NIGHTY!
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06:43:54 kaen hi everyone
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11:04:29 ozbf Hullo. Have you tried putting it on gog.com
11:04:33 ozbf if you've heard of it?
11:06:18 ozbf whose alive in this channel.
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16:22:08 raptor good day!
16:26:06 bobdaduck CIRCUS
16:26:12 raptor say what
16:26:20 bobdaduck CIRCUS
16:26:33 raptor is there one in town?
16:26:45 bobdaduck Was
16:26:53 bobdaduck Went last night
16:26:57 bobdaduck cost like 70$
16:27:00 bobdaduck totally worth it
16:27:02 bobdaduck I RODE AN ELEPHANT
16:46:18 raptor did he blow water on you?
16:46:30 raptor what's the opposite of snort, anyways?  sneeze?
17:02:02 bobdaduck no water
17:02:12 bobdaduck Elephants are hairy!
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17:22:13 raptor my favorite new data structure name:  tuple
17:22:25 raptor because it makes no sense whatsoever
17:23:12 raptor oh..  it's a mathematical term...
17:25:50 bobdaduck Hi can you make levelgens less restrictive?
17:26:05 bobdaduck I'd really like to do ship:setHealth(2)
17:26:11 raptor this sounds like a familiar request...
17:26:23 raptor you can do that already, I think...
17:26:50 raptor oh, haha
17:26:58 raptor you mean have *more* than the maximum health
17:27:39 bobdaduck Of course!
17:28:25 raptor that's...  an extremely fundamental change to the game engine
17:30:08 bobdaduck Is not!
17:30:25 bobdaduck It just makes the health bar go off beyond the ship
17:30:36 bobdaduck That's where the idea of a sword weapon originally came from for me
17:30:41 bobdaduck when I was messing around in the game source
17:31:44 raptor wait...  you tried this heresy?
17:31:46 bobdaduck Although this request is admittedly not nearly as useful as being able to do stuff with ghost ships would be
17:31:56 bobdaduck Of course!
17:32:20 bobdaduck First thing I did when I first got the source to compile was set maxHealth and maxEnergy to like 10000000
17:32:58 bobdaduck This was years ago, of course
17:33:47 bobdaduck w1	The new Weapon for slot 1.
17:33:47 bobdaduck w2	The new Weapon for slot 2.
17:33:47 bobdaduck m1	The new Module for slot 1.
17:33:47 bobdaduck m2	The new Module for slot 2.
17:33:48 bobdaduck m3	The new Module for slot 3.
17:34:58 bobdaduck This just in:  There will be three module slots in 020
17:36:54 raptor haha
17:36:57 raptor and two weapons...
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19:10:53 raptor Watusimoto: I've got a Timer problem
19:11:45 raptor basically, right now we load the Timer class as a global (with lua_helper_functions)
19:12:10 raptor this introduces the following problems (in 019):
19:12:39 raptor 1.  when a level changes, Lua Timer:scheduleWhatever from previous levels/bots still run
19:13:45 raptor 2.  bot bots and levelgens call Timer:_tick() thus speeding up the tick linearly with how many bots or levelgens are running
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19:17:13 raptor so there a number of solutions to each problem:
19:17:50 raptor for problem #1:  we call "Timer:clear()" at the end of each level OR load the timer with each script
19:18:52 raptor for #2:  consolidate all tick() into one call from somewhere more standard (like ServerGame?)  OR load the timer.lua with each script
19:19:57 raptor i've experimented with context loading and it doesn't work because it suffers from both problems if both bots and levelgens are loaded
19:20:16 raptor thoughts?
19:20:32 raptor monologue monologue monologue
19:20:57 bobdaduck I'm against it!
19:21:15 raptor heh
19:22:15 bobdaduck what are the implications of #2?
19:23:13 raptor you mean the effects of problem 2?
19:23:36 bobdaduck in other words, will that allow me to run DnD as a master script and save people's levels from game to game?
19:23:53 raptor i don't think that has anything to do with anything here...
19:24:09 bobdaduck xD
19:24:12 bobdaduck Of course not!
19:24:30 raptor bobdaduck: you can do that already
19:24:42 bobdaduck But it sounded almost like the solution to problem 2 would allow me to run a timer at the end of a level and it carry over into the next level
19:25:01 raptor we don't want timers to do that  at all
19:25:31 bobdaduck WHY NOT.
19:25:47 raptor it causes so much brokenness
19:25:50 bobdaduck You could make a levelgen that sets a timer to 30 minutes
19:25:52 raptor just ask fordcars
19:25:57 bobdaduck and then during a tournament or bbb
19:26:09 bobdaduck every 30 minutes it notifies everyone that it is break time!
19:27:33 raptor now that's an interesting feature...  however using Timers as they are now to do something like that is very bad.  Timers as they are break all sorts of things
19:27:34 raptor also
19:27:58 raptor to save players in DnD
19:28:05 raptor use the Event.PlayerLeft event
19:28:21 raptor and write out their stats to a file, then when a player joins, try to load the file and apply the stats
19:28:33 bobdaduck I don't want to do file writing yet...
19:29:59 bobdaduck I might at some point in a bittown-like environment but not for DnD
19:31:44 raptor you code do a code
19:32:14 raptor like a player can run a command:  !getcode
19:32:25 raptor and it'll print:  ahdfu289fhk210fdas
19:33:06 raptor then when a player joins they can do:  !loadcode ahdfu289fhk210fdas
19:33:26 raptor and it'll apply they're stats
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19:34:25 raptor and your code will always follow a convention:  first 2 chars are class, second 2 is level, next6 are 0-padded gold
19:35:06 raptor and to prevent cheating you can encode/decode it
19:35:14 raptor fun stuff!
19:35:16 raptor :)
19:35:18 bobdaduck lol
19:35:24 bobdaduck Nah I don't want to do that either
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21:11:12 Opti_ Lol skittles.
21:11:19 Opti_ Anyone here?
21:11:22 raptor taste the rainbow
21:11:25 Opti_ woo
21:14:35 raptor Hi Opti_
21:15:20 Opti_ Hi.
21:15:33 Opti_ I am testing my old crappy levels on bitfighter lol.
21:15:55 Opti_ I lost them but then little_apple found my old thread where I posted all of them.
21:16:09 raptor ah yes, i saw that
21:16:17 raptor we have a level database now
21:17:27 Opti_ I know :P
21:17:48 Opti_ Oh god I completely ripped of quartz' map and didn't even know it at the time.
21:17:54 Opti_ XD
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21:57:54 Watusimoto hi
21:57:59 raptor hi
21:58:09 Watusimoto still working out the timer solution?
21:58:47 Watusimoto I would think it would be easier to have one timer per script
21:58:58 Watusimoto then you don;t need to worry about cleanup or anything
21:59:11 Watusimoto it's not like there's lots of overhead
21:59:54 raptor if we do it that way, then i'll have to bring in the _ticktimer() code and the timer.lua to be loaded within c++
22:00:55 raptor there's a note in lua_helper_functions.lua with function _ticktimer:  -- Really should only be called once for all bots/levelgens
22:01:05 raptor so I don't know ifyou had certain plans for it
22:02:17 Watusimoto I don't think so... maybe just noting the issue you encountered with calling it once per bot
22:02:37 Watusimoto is there any chance of one script interfering with another if all share teh same timer?
22:03:28 raptor oh yes
22:03:33 raptor already happesn
22:03:57 raptor since all are using the same Timer, and each calls tick()  the Timer goes faster than it should
22:04:47 Watusimoto right, aside from that.  the cure there would be to call it once, as you noted
22:06:39 raptor yes
22:06:41 Watusimoto maybe it would be better to have just one... I think in the end it hardly matters
22:07:04 Watusimoto with one you just need to take more care to set it up and clean it up when done
22:07:11 raptor if we had just one-to-rule-them-all, then we'd need to explicitly call Timer:clear() when a level changes
22:07:24 raptor and have tick() update from only one location
22:08:13 Watusimoto yes
22:08:35 raptor and if that's the case...  why not just do the Timer class in c++!
22:11:36 raptor or quick fix for 019a:  load timer.lua in each script; long term fix - move it into c++?
22:12:22 raptor that sort of keeps in line with the idea to prototype in Lua, then move to c++ once we know it's a good thing
22:13:36 Watusimoto except the timer object is very nicely implemented, and would not be any more efficient in c++ -- it may even be more complicated
22:14:14 raptor yes, i agree
22:14:40 Watusimoto so I would suggest keeping it in in lua
22:21:39 raptor i'm still waffling on global vs individual script
22:23:03 bobdaduck pros cons?
22:23:14 raptor progress and congress!
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22:24:24 Watusimoto so there is no good reason to pick one over the other, right?
22:24:55 Watusimoto then you can just do one timer centrally
22:25:01 raptor well...  have ONE Timer will reduce memory and CPU
22:25:04 raptor if only slightly
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22:26:20 raptor oh, and do you know how to do this?:  take a c++ variable (like timeDelta) and added to a Lua method on a different object in the global namespace (like Timer:_tick(timeDelta))
22:28:06 raptor our runCmd() and runString() methods don't quite cut it...
22:28:16 raptor but it's probably close to runCmd...
22:31:10 Watusimoto I'm not sure I understand
22:32:40 raptor i need to take the timeDelta in ServerGame::idle() and run Timer:_tick(timeDelta) with it from Lua, if i'm going to do the central timer
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22:32:53 raptor (which i'm attempting next)
22:43:52 Watusimoto I'm not sure exactly how that will work
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23:58:09 Watusimoto_ ok, going to bed.  Cleared another case, hopefully
23:58:17 raptor night!

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05:22:14	Nothing_Much	Hi everyone
05:24:59	Nothing_Much	is that you kaen? :O
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06:05:09	bobdaduck	I WENT TO THE CIRCUS
06:05:19	bobdaduck	IT WAS AMAZING
06:05:22	bobdaduck	I RODE AN ELEPHANT
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06:05:35	bobdaduck	I WILL BE IN SENSORY OVERLOAD FOR LIKE YEARS NOW.
06:06:15	bobdaduck	CIRCUS.
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06:43:54	kaen	hi everyone
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11:04:29	ozbf	Hullo. Have you tried putting it on gog.com
11:04:33	ozbf	if you've heard of it?
11:06:18	ozbf	whose alive in this channel.
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16:22:08	raptor	good day!
16:26:06	bobdaduck	CIRCUS
16:26:12	raptor	say what
16:26:20	bobdaduck	CIRCUS
16:26:33	raptor	is there one in town?
16:26:45	bobdaduck	Was
16:26:53	bobdaduck	Went last night
16:26:57	bobdaduck	cost like 70$
16:27:00	bobdaduck	totally worth it
16:27:02	bobdaduck	I RODE AN ELEPHANT
16:46:18	raptor	did he blow water on you?
16:46:30	raptor	what's the opposite of snort, anyways? sneeze?
17:02:02	bobdaduck	no water
17:02:12	bobdaduck	Elephants are hairy!
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17:22:13	raptor	my favorite new data structure name: tuple
17:22:25	raptor	because it makes no sense whatsoever
17:23:12	raptor	oh.. it's a mathematical term...
17:25:50	bobdaduck	Hi can you make levelgens less restrictive?
17:26:05	bobdaduck	I'd really like to do ship:setHealth(2)
17:26:11	raptor	this sounds like a familiar request...
17:26:23	raptor	you can do that already, I think...
17:26:50	raptor	oh, haha
17:26:58	raptor	you mean have more than the maximum health
17:27:39	bobdaduck	Of course!
17:28:25	raptor	that's... an extremely fundamental change to the game engine
17:30:08	bobdaduck	Is not!
17:30:25	bobdaduck	It just makes the health bar go off beyond the ship
17:30:36	bobdaduck	That's where the idea of a sword weapon originally came from for me
17:30:41	bobdaduck	when I was messing around in the game source
17:31:44	raptor	wait... you tried this heresy?
17:31:46	bobdaduck	Although this request is admittedly not nearly as useful as being able to do stuff with ghost ships would be
17:31:56	bobdaduck	Of course!
17:32:20	bobdaduck	First thing I did when I first got the source to compile was set maxHealth and maxEnergy to like 10000000
17:32:58	bobdaduck	This was years ago, of course
17:33:47	bobdaduck	w1 The new Weapon for slot 1.
17:33:47	bobdaduck	w2 The new Weapon for slot 2.
17:33:47	bobdaduck	m1 The new Module for slot 1.
17:33:47	bobdaduck	m2 The new Module for slot 2.
17:33:48	bobdaduck	m3 The new Module for slot 3.
17:34:58	bobdaduck	This just in: There will be three module slots in 020
17:36:54	raptor	haha
17:36:57	raptor	and two weapons...
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19:10:53	raptor	Watusimoto: I've got a Timer problem
19:11:45	raptor	basically, right now we load the Timer class as a global (with lua_helper_functions)
19:12:10	raptor	this introduces the following problems (in 019):
19:12:39	raptor	1. when a level changes, Lua Timer:scheduleWhatever from previous levels/bots still run
19:13:45	raptor	2. bot bots and levelgens call Timer:_tick() thus speeding up the tick linearly with how many bots or levelgens are running
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19:17:13	raptor	so there a number of solutions to each problem:
19:17:50	raptor	for problem #1: we call "Timer:clear()" at the end of each level OR load the timer with each script
19:18:52	raptor	for #2: consolidate all tick() into one call from somewhere more standard (like ServerGame?) OR load the timer.lua with each script
19:19:57	raptor	i've experimented with context loading and it doesn't work because it suffers from both problems if both bots and levelgens are loaded
19:20:16	raptor	thoughts?
19:20:32	raptor	monologue monologue monologue
19:20:57	bobdaduck	I'm against it!
19:21:15	raptor	heh
19:22:15	bobdaduck	what are the implications of #2?
19:23:13	raptor	you mean the effects of problem 2?
19:23:36	bobdaduck	in other words, will that allow me to run DnD as a master script and save people's levels from game to game?
19:23:53	raptor	i don't think that has anything to do with anything here...
19:24:09	bobdaduck	xD
19:24:12	bobdaduck	Of course not!
19:24:30	raptor	bobdaduck: you can do that already
19:24:42	bobdaduck	But it sounded almost like the solution to problem 2 would allow me to run a timer at the end of a level and it carry over into the next level
19:25:01	raptor	we don't want timers to do that at all
19:25:31	bobdaduck	WHY NOT.
19:25:47	raptor	it causes so much brokenness
19:25:50	bobdaduck	You could make a levelgen that sets a timer to 30 minutes
19:25:52	raptor	just ask fordcars
19:25:57	bobdaduck	and then during a tournament or bbb
19:26:09	bobdaduck	every 30 minutes it notifies everyone that it is break time!
19:27:33	raptor	now that's an interesting feature... however using Timers as they are now to do something like that is very bad. Timers as they are break all sorts of things
19:27:34	raptor	also
19:27:58	raptor	to save players in DnD
19:28:05	raptor	use the Event.PlayerLeft event
19:28:21	raptor	and write out their stats to a file, then when a player joins, try to load the file and apply the stats
19:28:33	bobdaduck	I don't want to do file writing yet...
19:29:59	bobdaduck	I might at some point in a bittown-like environment but not for DnD
19:31:44	raptor	you code do a code
19:32:14	raptor	like a player can run a command: !getcode
19:32:25	raptor	and it'll print: ahdfu289fhk210fdas
19:33:06	raptor	then when a player joins they can do: !loadcode ahdfu289fhk210fdas
19:33:26	raptor	and it'll apply they're stats
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19:34:25	raptor	and your code will always follow a convention: first 2 chars are class, second 2 is level, next6 are 0-padded gold
19:35:06	raptor	and to prevent cheating you can encode/decode it
19:35:14	raptor	fun stuff!
19:35:16	raptor	:)
19:35:18	bobdaduck	lol
19:35:24	bobdaduck	Nah I don't want to do that either
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21:11:12	Opti_	Lol skittles.
21:11:19	Opti_	Anyone here?
21:11:22	raptor	taste the rainbow
21:11:25	Opti_	woo
21:14:35	raptor	Hi Opti_
21:15:20	Opti_	Hi.
21:15:33	Opti_	I am testing my old crappy levels on bitfighter lol.
21:15:55	Opti_	I lost them but then little_apple found my old thread where I posted all of them.
21:16:09	raptor	ah yes, i saw that
21:16:17	raptor	we have a level database now
21:17:27	Opti_	I know :P
21:17:48	Opti_	Oh god I completely ripped of quartz' map and didn't even know it at the time.
21:17:54	Opti_	XD
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21:57:54	Watusimoto	hi
21:57:59	raptor	hi
21:58:09	Watusimoto	still working out the timer solution?
21:58:47	Watusimoto	I would think it would be easier to have one timer per script
21:58:58	Watusimoto	then you don;t need to worry about cleanup or anything
21:59:11	Watusimoto	it's not like there's lots of overhead
21:59:54	raptor	if we do it that way, then i'll have to bring in the _ticktimer() code and the timer.lua to be loaded within c++
22:00:55	raptor	there's a note in lua_helper_functions.lua with function _ticktimer: -- Really should only be called once for all bots/levelgens
22:01:05	raptor	so I don't know ifyou had certain plans for it
22:02:17	Watusimoto	I don't think so... maybe just noting the issue you encountered with calling it once per bot
22:02:37	Watusimoto	is there any chance of one script interfering with another if all share teh same timer?
22:03:28	raptor	oh yes
22:03:33	raptor	already happesn
22:03:57	raptor	since all are using the same Timer, and each calls tick() the Timer goes faster than it should
22:04:47	Watusimoto	right, aside from that. the cure there would be to call it once, as you noted
22:06:39	raptor	yes
22:06:41	Watusimoto	maybe it would be better to have just one... I think in the end it hardly matters
22:07:04	Watusimoto	with one you just need to take more care to set it up and clean it up when done
22:07:11	raptor	if we had just one-to-rule-them-all, then we'd need to explicitly call Timer:clear() when a level changes
22:07:24	raptor	and have tick() update from only one location
22:08:13	Watusimoto	yes
22:08:35	raptor	and if that's the case... why not just do the Timer class in c++!
22:11:36	raptor	or quick fix for 019a: load timer.lua in each script; long term fix - move it into c++?
22:12:22	raptor	that sort of keeps in line with the idea to prototype in Lua, then move to c++ once we know it's a good thing
22:13:36	Watusimoto	except the timer object is very nicely implemented, and would not be any more efficient in c++ -- it may even be more complicated
22:14:14	raptor	yes, i agree
22:14:40	Watusimoto	so I would suggest keeping it in in lua
22:21:39	raptor	i'm still waffling on global vs individual script
22:23:03	bobdaduck	pros cons?
22:23:14	raptor	progress and congress!
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22:24:24	Watusimoto	so there is no good reason to pick one over the other, right?
22:24:55	Watusimoto	then you can just do one timer centrally
22:25:01	raptor	well... have ONE Timer will reduce memory and CPU
22:25:04	raptor	if only slightly
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22:26:20	raptor	oh, and do you know how to do this?: take a c++ variable (like timeDelta) and added to a Lua method on a different object in the global namespace (like Timer:_tick(timeDelta))
22:28:06	raptor	our runCmd() and runString() methods don't quite cut it...
22:28:16	raptor	but it's probably close to runCmd...
22:31:10	Watusimoto	I'm not sure I understand
22:32:40	raptor	i need to take the timeDelta in ServerGame::idle() and run Timer:_tick(timeDelta) with it from Lua, if i'm going to do the central timer
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22:32:53	raptor	(which i'm attempting next)
22:43:52	Watusimoto	I'm not sure exactly how that will work
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23:57:21		BFLogBot Commit: d6cc6dbffb11 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Use numeric keypad keys in console
23:58:09	Watusimoto_	ok, going to bed. Cleared another case, hopefully
23:58:17	raptor	night!