#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2014-02-18

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02:09:59 fordcars !
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02:10:26 raptor !bitfighteriscompletelybugfree
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03:05:48 amgine123 hi
03:05:51 amgine123 hey raptor
03:06:02 raptor hello
03:06:03 amgine123 we have a problem in bf 19a
03:06:09 raptor that's nice
03:06:56 amgine123 im not sure exactly what the cause is but sometimes  i get a crash randomly when i try to swtich levels on bf 19a it seems abosulty non consisten also it seems to happen when i drop a item and dont have one randomly once again completly random
03:07:25 raptor ah, but hasn't that always happened on your computer and no one elses?
03:07:37 raptor fordcars: can you duplicate what amgine123 says happens?
03:07:39 amgine123 so the problem is why is it crashing randomly somtimes it does somtimes it doesnt ?
03:08:07 amgine123 um no there was a thread where it was skylark i belive asked why is 2 levels were causing bf to crash it might be realted to that
03:08:23 amgine123 it has only happaned 2 times
03:08:31 amgine123 so it seems very inconsistent
03:08:40 amgine123 !bugs
03:08:40 BFLogBot To enter a bug: http://tinyurl.com/bfnewbug -- To view all bugs: http://tinyurl.com/bfbugs
03:08:52 raptor show me the thread
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03:09:10 raptor because you're the only one i know that has the problem, which suggests that it is your system and not bitfighter
03:09:44 raptor there were random crashes when starting a level in 019, but those are fixed for 019a
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03:10:05 amgine123 you think it would be realted to my norton anti virus problem ?
03:10:12 fordcars_ Ok, I'll try :)
03:10:23 raptor amgine123: it might very well be
03:10:31 amgine123 in fact raptor i had the recorder going when it crashed!
03:10:44 amgine123 but the playback is weird
03:10:53 raptor it's possible there is a recorder bug - it's experimental
03:11:16 amgine123 ill find the recording if i can
03:11:24 raptor ok
03:11:26 amgine123 also is there a way to look into if its norton realted ?
03:11:32 fordcars_ By the way, my Logitech Gamepad that worked fine in 019 is saying: Xml Exception, not a valid GUP input xml.
03:11:42 raptor fordcars_: what OS again?
03:11:50 fordcars_ Windows
03:11:54 raptor version?
03:11:54 fordcars_ 8.1
03:11:56 fordcars_ :)
03:11:57 raptor bah!
03:12:02 fordcars_ Bah!
03:12:05 amgine123 however raptor i will not be able to do it tonight maybe wensday
03:12:06 raptor ok that *is* a bug...
03:12:09 raptor amgine123: ok
03:12:22 amgine123 sorry for the inconvonince
03:12:35 amgine123 is there  file that has the recordings or is it in game only ?
03:12:48 raptor there's a directory called 'record'
03:12:56 amgine123 ill look there
03:12:57 fordcars_ Oh nevermind raptor, it always says that, even when it's unplugged
03:13:00 raptor and it holds them..
03:13:08 raptor fordcars_: yeah, it's an update problem...
03:13:23 fordcars_ Oh okokok
03:13:44 amgine123 uh what can run the recordings formats
03:13:47 raptor fordcars_: can you do something for me?
03:13:56 fordcars_ Sure :P
03:13:58 amgine123 would vlc work raptor ?
03:14:07 fordcars_ I tried replicating the bug, nothing happened :/
03:14:13 raptor shut down the game and restart it - i want to catch the GUP problem with the game...
03:14:21 fordcars_ agine, only Bitfighter can :O
03:14:26 fordcars_ Ok
03:14:36 amgine123 ugh
03:14:52 amgine123 we need a way to run them wihout BF
03:15:12 fordcars_ Html5 might be a way, I don't know how it records the games
03:15:26 raptor there's no way...
03:15:40 fordcars_ Raptor, how do you catch it?
03:15:41 amgine123 oyu need to make them compatible with other programs
03:15:52 fordcars_ It has to be lightweight
03:15:57 amgine123 well it has only happened twice in like 1000 games so its rare
03:16:07 raptor did y ou do it fordcars_?
03:16:11 amgine123 raptor
03:16:13 fordcars_ As Html5, I meant, move a bunch of rectangles around and call them ships
03:16:15 fordcars_ Yes
03:16:31 raptor http access_log
03:16:43 amgine123 wil that work ?
03:16:54 amgine123 nope vlc fgailed
03:16:56 amgine123 failed
03:17:00 amgine123 ^_^
03:17:24 amgine123 watching a anime series i found thats good
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03:17:41 amgine123 its called death note =p
03:18:39 raptor amgine123: it's a custom file format that *only* the bitfighter client will ever be able to read
03:19:08 amgine123 but why cant you make it  a all type format wont it be unable to be put on sites like youtube then ?
03:19:11 fordcars_ raptor, where is http access_log?
03:19:30 raptor on the bitfighter server
03:19:44 fordcars_ amgine, it only records the actual positions of objects, not pixels :/ It does make it really cool and dynamic though
03:19:46 raptor watusimoto did some weird stuff with the updater right before release...  looks like it wasn't tested..
03:19:58 fordcars_ Ahh ok
03:27:55 fordcars_ Oh nevermind, recorded games are binaries.
03:28:14 raptor yep, and they used TNL-compressed network data
03:28:21 raptor so, very custom
03:28:37 fordcars_ Hehe
03:28:44 fordcars_ We should get Emscriptem working
03:28:53 fordcars_ Amgine, are you using Xp?
03:29:01 raptor yeah...  but i need to fix oSX build first
03:30:05 fordcars_ raptor, I am not forcing you to do anything! Do whatever you want
03:30:41 fordcars_ amgine123, if you are using xp, well I had similar problems with Bitfighter crashing randomly (in18a anyway)
03:30:54 amgine123 im using windows 7
03:31:50 fordcars_ Oh ok, I didn't try Windows 7 yet
03:32:09 fordcars_ I am soon heading over to Linux for this computer
03:33:22 amgine123 raptor can you help me with my plugin .....
03:33:39 amgine123 ive written part of it but im stuck on thispart
03:33:44 amgine123 this part
03:34:41 raptor I'm sorry, i'm working hard on a task at the moment...
03:35:09 fordcars_ amgine123, I can help if you want
03:35:26 amgine123 sigh
03:35:38 amgine123 I want to keep it a secret to release
03:35:57 amgine123 from main Bf players
03:36:05 amgine123 but.....
03:36:09 fordcars_ Heh ok :P
03:36:11 amgine123 hmm i dont know
03:36:14 amgine123 i want help
03:37:33 fordcars_ Wassup? Do you have a problem with the code?
03:37:38 amgine123 raptor would forcing the y  varible to be negitive correct the plane inversion ?
03:38:31 fordcars_ Wow, WebCL is coming, that is fancy stuff
03:40:29 raptor amgine123: in Bitfighter +y is downward
03:40:32 raptor -y is upward
03:40:48 raptor also fordcars_ is a good helper :)
03:40:50 amgine123 right so would having the default +y be -y fix it ?
03:40:56 fordcars_ Hehe
03:40:58 raptor usually yes
03:41:03 amgine123 ok
03:41:10 amgine123 fordcars im enlisting you to help me
03:41:16 amgine123 please keep this a secret
03:41:22 amgine123 till release
03:41:25 fordcars_ Of course!
03:42:46 amgine123 uh can you have a argument be negitive ie  arg[-2] ?
03:43:06 fordcars_ Uh, arguements in Plug-ins?
03:43:15 fordcars_ Oh nm haha
03:43:21 amgine123 yes?
03:43:34 fordcars_ Nope
03:43:34 amgine123 go to pc only
03:43:40 fordcars_ Sorry :P
03:44:21 amgine123 pc
03:44:32 raptor ok now to that stupid GUP thingy...
03:45:03 raptor running osx and windows in VMs simultaneously feels weird
03:45:35 raptor fordcars_: does bitfighter require you to run as admin?
03:45:47 raptor or pop up some fancy access screen?
03:46:14 fordcars_ Whoa, I haven't tried that since quite sometime, but 018a didn't
03:46:19 fordcars_ Do you want me to try?
03:46:26 raptor sorry, i mean
03:46:42 raptor when launched, does it do that annoying windows access screen thingy?
03:47:24 fordcars_ In Windows?
03:47:30 amgine123 yes it does for te windows installer but not for te bitfighter standalone
03:47:35 raptor yes, that 'User Access Control' screen
03:47:38 amgine123 on my computer
03:47:54 raptor hahaha - the updater 'is not a valid win32 program' on windows xp
03:48:03 fordcars_ Oh I disabled that, but only a few days back, and it didn't do that Fancy UAC Screen thing ;)
03:48:11 fordcars_ in 019a and 019 anyway
03:48:12 raptor ok
03:48:14 raptor thanks
03:58:17 amgine123 it does for me
03:58:39 amgine123 on windows 7 for me i get the  admin thing for the installer but not for the standalone
04:08:46 raptor ok thanks
04:24:45 amgine123 raptor is there a getPosX() by chance ?
04:25:02 raptor no, but getPos().x should work
04:26:52 amgine123 and that will only be the x coordintes value ?
04:27:07 raptor yes
04:27:43 amgine123 ty
04:27:57 amgine123 HA i figured out smthing fordars didnt know!
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05:35:53 bobdaduck BRACE YOURSELVES
05:35:56 bobdaduck AMGINE POSTS ARE COMING
05:40:48 fordcars_ ^^
05:41:43 bobdaduck I think sky_lark's idea for a suicide weapon has merit.
05:48:58 Nothing_Much suicide weapon?
05:49:17 fordcars_ Kindof like a kamicaze I think
05:50:54 Nothing_Much Oh
05:50:57 Nothing_Much That'd be disasterous
05:51:03 Nothing_Much For the game to implement that
05:51:35 Nothing_Much Literally, I can see newbies just using that and say "oh so you just hit this button and die"
05:51:59 Nothing_Much As a command, if you're stuck inside a glitch or something, then yes, by all means add a suicide button
05:52:08 Nothing_Much But as a weapon implemented in the game, no way
05:52:49 Nothing_Much *As a weapon implemented in the game? No way.
05:53:00 fordcars_ As a levelgen, yes way
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05:53:36 Nothing_Much Levelgen I would assume as a custom game mode..?
05:53:41 Nothing_Much *is
05:53:45 Nothing_Much *is a custom
05:54:09 bobdaduck Well like his idea is you equip it from loadout and stuff, and then when you activate it a timer starts and five seconds later you blow up and take everything near you out too
05:54:46 Nothing_Much No
05:55:41 bobdaduck Why.
05:55:42 Nothing_Much Just no, if it's in vanilla Bitfighter, then people would get confused about what the hell happened to their ship.
05:56:10 bobdaduck ...They would?
05:56:38 bobdaduck loadout>> Oh, okay there's weapons here..  phaser... bouncer...  triple...  kamikaze?
05:56:41 Nothing_Much If a person sees their character die, they assume they did something wrong, and then they'd not know what to do with the game.
05:56:42 bobdaduck I WONER WHAT KAMIKAZE MEANS
05:56:59 Nothing_Much Kamikaze is a stupid choice for a default weapon
05:57:08 Nothing_Much Or a selectable weapon
05:57:12 bobdaduck Why?
05:57:46 fordcars_ burst does the same thing
05:57:48 Nothing_Much It'll be overused and abused and would essentially kill whatever skilled players might come by.
05:58:06 bobdaduck How would it be overused and abused
05:58:10 bobdaduck because you kill yourself?
05:58:17 Nothing_Much Yeah
05:58:20 fordcars_ What if you shield :O
05:58:21 bobdaduck I do that anyway, literally twenty times a game, with burst.
05:58:43 Nothing_Much Then there's no reason for a kamakazi to exist.
05:58:56 bobdaduck Except that its like, actually fun?
05:59:06 Nothing_Much You got burst, it'd be redundant
05:59:13 amgine123 gtg bye
05:59:16 Nothing_Much L8r amgine123
06:00:06 bobdaduck Its not redundant, its a completely different explosive.  You actually have to sacrifice yourself to use it, whereas burst is basically useful for flying backwards and making sure nobody ever catches you.
06:01:13 bobdaduck Burst is entirely a defensive explosive, as is mine, whereas a suicide weapon could *only* be used offensively.
06:01:17 Nothing_Much A Kamakazi as a weapon would pretty much render the gameplay itself useless then, the ship would just die and your objective would be tarnished, it's also pointless when you account game modes such as CTF and Rabbit.
06:01:55 Nothing_Much *it's also especially pointless
06:02:16 bobdaduck I don't see what's pointless about flying in and blowing everything up
06:02:18 bobdaduck but okay?
06:02:23 Nothing_Much Including yourself?
06:02:41 Nothing_Much That'd just be a pointless bore.
06:02:57 Nothing_Much "OMG I KILLED SOMEO- oh wait I died"
06:03:21 bobdaduck ...Do you even play games to have fun?
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06:03:58 Nothing_Much I do it for the adrenaline and fun, mostly adrenaline, but on some occasions, mostly fun.
06:04:45 Nothing_Much But vanilla Bitfighter would be a bad decision, I think there's already a perfect amount of weapons.
06:04:59 Nothing_Much *Having Kamakazi in vanilla BF
06:05:15 raptor oh hello
06:05:41 fordcars_ I think we should try it
06:05:55 fordcars_ As in, ugly levelgen of modification
06:06:08 fordcars_ *or
06:06:25 bobdaduck It doesn't like, work in levelgen because there's no way for players to interact with levelgens.
06:06:39 fordcars_ Yeah :/
06:07:11 bobdaduck Like, how on earth would the player activate it?
06:07:43 Nothing_Much That's one of my points though, DON'T let newbies play it, it should be (and if it happens it should STAY) a customized game mode, it'll overcomplicate things for the newbies.
06:07:52 fordcars_ Oh wait, super easy
06:08:30 bobdaduck In DnD I use chat messages
06:08:34 bobdaduck but that's ridiculously clunky
06:08:37 destroyerimo wat the!
06:08:43 Nothing_Much Hey destroyerimo
06:08:43 destroyerimo HI GUYS!
06:08:48 destroyerimo sup
06:08:49 Nothing_Much Hey dude, what's up?
06:08:58 raptor thread hijacked module usage for his class system
06:08:59 destroyerimo nothing much
06:09:05 destroyerimo how r u
06:09:27 Nothing_Much Doin' alright dude, trying to recruit some people
06:10:00 bobdaduck Yeah, but his class system completely changes the way loadouts work.  Players aren't interacting with the levelgen, but rather they way they do things has been completely changed
06:10:03 fordcars_ I just changed WeaponInfo.h
06:10:13 fordcars_ For SpyBug, tadaaa, kamikaze
06:11:09 bobdaduck Yeah, but nobody can really use that unless they build it themselves, right?
06:11:13 fordcars_ Yeah
06:11:19 fordcars_ Well, only the server
06:11:22 fordcars_ Clients can use it
06:12:15 bobdaduck huh, really?
06:12:57 fordcars_ Yeah :D
06:15:00 fordcars_ Ok, it's going to replace burst, you had to shoot the spy bugs :P
06:16:58 Nothing_Much :/
06:19:34 fordcars_ ^^ only for my mod
06:19:34 fordcars_ Perfect :)
06:19:34 fordcars_ Who wants to try? Hosting
06:19:34 Nothing_Much What do I do fordcars_?
06:19:47 Nothing_Much oh darn it
06:19:53 fordcars_ Just join my server BotLab
06:20:03 Nothing_Much raptor: Did anybody turn off the fakefullscreen thing?
06:20:12 Nothing_Much On Linux
06:20:17 Nothing_Much Because now I can't see anything in bf
06:20:30 Nothing_Much It's just black
06:20:50 fordcars_ Poo
06:20:54 raptor umm
06:21:02 fordcars_ Well the fake full screen is in the ini I think
06:21:03 raptor what are you using?
06:21:11 Nothing_Much raptor: Linux
06:21:12 raptor Nothing_Much: did you compile yourself?
06:21:16 Nothing_Much nope
06:21:18 raptor what os/arch
06:21:23 Nothing_Much I'm on reg. Ubuntu x86
06:21:24 raptor version, etc.
06:21:27 Nothing_Much 14.04
06:21:52 Nothing_Much I fixed it
06:22:01 Nothing_Much All I did was turn off that fakefullscreen thing
06:22:09 Nothing_Much But it really shouldn't be enabled by default
06:22:23 fordcars_ Sorry Nothing_Much
06:22:25 Nothing_Much fordcars_: Did you get your server up 'n runnin'?
06:22:29 fordcars_ Recompiling, one tick
06:22:32 Nothing_Much Oh okay
06:22:36 fordcars_ Nearly done
06:23:30 fordcars_ Ok done
06:24:29 raptor Nothing_Much: it is enabled by default because the majority of Linux systems that I tested worked better with it
06:24:44 raptor sorry you're one of the exceptions...  :)
06:24:45 Nothing_Much Are you absolutely sure about that raptor?
06:24:48 raptor yep
06:24:50 Nothing_Much Oh man
06:25:04 raptor what desktop environment are you on?
06:25:14 Nothing_Much Sorry for being a pest but, did you test with FakeFullscreen off?
06:25:16 Nothing_Much Unity
06:25:19 Nothing_Much Stock Ubuntu :)
06:25:23 raptor ahhh  unity
06:25:34 raptor yes i did
06:25:41 raptor all Linux are not created equal
06:25:57 Nothing_Much which distros did you test?
06:26:10 raptor having it on was much better on the systems I tried it on... if i remember  ubuntu/debian/fedora/opensuse
06:26:20 raptor but i used Gnome on ubuntu, i think
06:26:38 raptor and this was probably almost 2 years ago
06:26:38 Nothing_Much Darned Compiz is to blame...
06:26:59 Nothing_Much raptor: I tested on xfce and fakefullscreen screws it up :/
06:27:20 Nothing_Much I recall someone said it was because of SDL1 on Linux not being used properly
06:27:32 Nothing_Much Then SDL2 came around
06:27:32 raptor yes, it was always SDL1.2
06:27:40 raptor fakefullscreen is SDL1.2 only
06:27:44 Nothing_Much Unless BF didn't adopt SDL2?
06:27:57 raptor it uses SDL1.2 on Linux, SDL2 everywhere else
06:28:04 Nothing_Much Oh, so is SDL2 a priority for Linux for 020?
06:28:21 raptor it's already done - you just have to enable it and compile with it
06:29:53 fordcars_ Anyway, later, off to bed
06:30:02 fordcars_ Night!
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06:31:52 Nothing_Much Um
06:31:52 Nothing_Much I mean for users that just wanna install and play it :P
06:31:52 Nothing_Much (I'm one of those users)
06:31:53 Nothing_Much But if it happens for 019b then please make it so, I have plans for what I have in store for Ubuntu and Bitfighter.
06:31:55 Nothing_Much If I get a chance though, that is.
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06:32:11 raptor I have no control over how it's built for ubuntu
06:32:27 raptor and you disappeard...
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06:34:35 raptor Nothing_Much: I have no control over how it's built for ubuntu - if you're using a distro package, then I would flag the build and tell them to use SDL2 (if it's available)
06:35:34 Nothing_Much I "love" USB WiFi dongles...
06:35:34 Nothing_Much raptor: Is it not enabled by default on other distros that are packaged?
06:36:00 Nothing_Much I "LOVE" USB WiFi dongles!!
06:36:10 Nothing_Much Okay
06:36:13 Nothing_Much I can see the logs
06:36:20 raptor the source tree has SDL1.2 as default, but there's an option to enable SDL2 that packagers can use if SDL2 is available for their distro
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06:37:54 Nothing_Much okay so maybe I'll just post on the forums
06:38:27 raptor yeah, as soon as almost all distros support SDL2, i'll enable it as default for Linux
06:38:34 raptor which may be for next release
06:38:51 Nothing_Much I think all *mainstream* distros already support SDL2
06:39:16 raptor yes, but only the newest version, and only if they released after the SDL2 release date
06:39:37 raptor not all Linux users are on the newest version...  usually on some long-term version or a version behind
06:39:45 Nothing_Much Ah, okay, so that won't happen until... the end of 2014..
06:39:50 Nothing_Much yeah, darn
06:40:44 Nothing_Much Well hopefully my curriculum at a church can help out some people with Ubuntu and/or just play Bitfighter on Linux. :O
06:44:08 Nothing_Much ..
06:44:14 Nothing_Much Nothing's happenin' atm
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06:55:40 raptor night!
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06:58:36 Nothing_Much g'night everybody
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23:36:33 YoshiSmb found a error trying to host my server
23:36:44 YoshiSmb but it's now fixed
23:37:14 YoshiSmb reason: i downloaded on samtest2 a record, that record dint allowed me to host, i deleted it now i can host again
23:37:39 YoshiSmb ¿?
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