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IRC Log for 2014-03-15

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01:45:33raptorI made it back!


01:47:09sam686I guess my internet is suddenly fixed, no dropped packets since 30 minutes ago


01:48:14sam686it turns out there was a problem with my ISP that they say have now fix it.


01:48:15raptorquestion for the channel


01:48:19raptorold:  http://imagebin.org/299413


01:48:27raptornew:  http://imagebin.org/299409


01:48:52raptorwhich font for the dock is better


01:48:58raptoror, is the new an improvement?


01:49:12sam686polywall messed up on your second screenshot?


01:49:22raptoryes...  that's another fix i have to make


01:49:27raptorbut besides that


01:49:36raptoris the second better at all?


01:49:45raptorkaen_: if you're around, what do you think, too?


01:50:13sam686What happened to i looking like L now on the second screenshot?


01:50:49raptorwhere?


01:50:57sam686could be a problem if we change fonts to player name...


01:51:05sam686the "WARNING" "i"


01:51:21raptoroh, yeah, that's just for that heading


01:51:29raptornot for chat


01:52:36sam686The right side font seems harder to read now, looks smaller then first screenshot


01:53:01sam686ForceFld ... ForceFloat?


01:53:05raptorhaha


01:53:26raptorthe idea is to replace teh stroke font with TTF - but I need to find something that is readable


01:54:01sam686Perhaps just get rid of text entirely and only pop up a text of what it is when mouse is hovering it..


01:54:14raptornow that's an idea!


01:54:18raptorhmm...


01:55:07sam686the teleporter/speedzone needs better icon then just a square though.


01:55:45sam686TextItem...  just get rid of square and keep the "TextItem" text part


01:55:54raptoryeah, the dock needs some refinement


01:56:04raptorso you think the new font is harder to read overall?


01:56:50sam686seems fine when text is big, but harder when text is small, like the texts on dock


01:57:01raptorok, i'll try another one


01:58:04raptoroh yuk 'LiberationSans' is horrid at that size


01:58:49sam686tiny text on new font.. it seem to sometime have 1 pixel space or 0 lixel space between letters, especially the letter "L"


01:59:26sam686while the old font is more accurate on amount of spacing (with good line smoothing)


02:00:24sam686the new screenshot looks like "RagSpawn"


02:00:39raptorhaha


02:01:07raptorok, I concede...  that's the best TTF one i've found at that size (so far)


02:01:14raptorbut not quite good enough


02:11:33raptorhmm... maybe bitmap fonts are what we need now...


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03:25:56Nothing_Muchkaen: is your skype broken or something or are ya busy?


03:36:40amgine123hmm


03:38:48Nothing_Muchamgine123: what's up?


03:39:12amgine123oh just tryingto design a level which i cant do


03:39:19amgine123curve tool is a pain


03:39:31amgine123i nee da ellispe polywall


03:39:55Nothing_Muchoh good luck man


03:40:37fordcarsHah


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03:41:15Nothing_MuchHey fordcars


03:41:51amgine123ugh ellipses are impossible


03:42:07amgine123been trying for a few hours now to make a good one


03:42:46fordcarsHi


03:42:55fordcarsEllipses?


03:43:03fordcarsOh uh


03:43:08fordcarsYeah, I don't know


03:43:29fordcarsWell, you can get one as an .svg, and convert it to Bitfighter with raaptor's tool


03:45:41fordcarshttps://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/SVG/Element/ellipse


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04:23:37BFLogBot Commit: 60013fd39255 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix PolyWall rendering in editor dock


04:23:47raptorgood night!


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05:02:55tazhow do I make my mid files play in bitfighter?


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12:55:07Watusimotoraptor: ServerGame is not created in the editor.  I put breakpoints on the constructor and destructor, and could see it was only created (and subsequently destroyed) when testing a level.  I think I am misunderstanding something with the memory consumption stuff you sent last night


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14:52:40kaenthis morning I learned that gcc turns constant integer power-of-two division into a bitshift instruction


14:52:43kaeneven at -O0


14:52:57raptoryay gcc!


14:54:00raptorexcept at -O0....   that would be a pain if you ever need to debug the assembler code


14:55:14kaenmaybe some day I'll be able to grok gcc's source


14:55:42kaenI've always wondered how they make it reason about which optimizations it can safely apply


14:59:12raptorI'm considering adding bitmap font support in our FontManager...


14:59:33raptorsomehow..


15:02:46kaenhmm


15:03:04raptoractually our version of fonstash says it supports bitmap fonts...


15:03:12kaenoh, cool!


15:03:42kaenmakes sense, bitmap fonts are basically ttf fonts minus the rendering stage :P


15:03:57raptorhuh, let me try this out


15:20:37raptorgood old fontforge - crashing just when i need it to


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16:12:19Nothing_Muchmorning!


16:22:47raptori wonder how the bitmap font will do with size changes...


16:22:55raptormorning


16:31:03raptorhmm...  actually support looks primitive


16:59:29raptorrats, we'd have to load our own parser, i think


17:08:47Watusimotohi


17:08:58Watusimotoraptor: did you see my comment about serverGame?


17:09:02raptorhi


17:09:09raptorlet me look at the logs..


17:09:14Watusimotobtw, I've refactored turret rendering


17:09:20Watusimotoshould use almost 0 cpu now...


17:09:38WatusimotoI'll repaste my comment


17:09:42raptorfound it


17:09:48Watusimotoraptor: ServerGame is not created in the editor.  I put breakpoints on the constructor and destructor, and could see it was only created (and subsequently destroyed) when testing a level.  I think I am misunderstanding something with the memory consumption stuff you sent last night


17:09:51Watusimototoo late!


17:09:54raptorha, yep


17:09:56WatusimotoI had already pasted


17:10:11raptorso in my test, i did not once test a level, it was editor UI only


17:10:12WatusimotoI am sure there is no serverGame running in the editor


17:10:36raptoryes, i agree that there isn't one running *in* the editor, but probably along side


17:10:47Watusimotonot in the same process


17:10:59Watusimotothe only time the ServerGame constructor gets run is when you start hosting


17:11:14raptorhmm....   let me try my test again, then...


17:11:17WatusimotoI would have hit a breakpoint


17:13:50raptorha!


17:13:53raptorok, my bad


17:14:07raptorI had opened a heap profile from June 26


17:14:29raptorjust redid it and verified it was the newest profile


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17:16:01Watusimoto:-)


17:16:04raptormuch nicer!:  http://imagebin.org/299485


17:16:09raptorso completely false alarm


17:16:14raptorsorry about the wasted mental energy


17:16:17Watusimotoshould I undo my turret render fixes?


17:16:27raptorno...  unless they break something


17:16:29Watusimotonow that they're based on old data


17:16:38Watusimotopremature optimization and all that :-)


17:16:42raptorno no


17:16:48raptorthat CPU profile was correct


17:16:50WatusimotoI was just joking


17:16:52Watusimotoanyway


17:16:56raptorha


17:17:00Watusimotoas you can actually understand the turret code now


17:17:12Watusimotoit feels... clean


17:17:20raptoroh goodie


17:17:44raptorI've been wasting time trying to find a good TTF replacement for the small font size of the dock


17:18:05raptorand decided to attempt a bitmap font since I read that fontstash supports it


17:18:30raptorhowever support is primitive and I opened an issue:  https://github.com/akrinke/Font-Stash/issues/9


17:19:49raptorbut font at that size is probably best bitmap...  unless we get lucky with a TTF one that renders OK.  The closest i've gotten was with the 'tahoma' font from WINE:  http://imagebin.org/299409


17:20:10raptor(for dock labels)


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17:23:55WatusimotoI'm having no luck searching for "small ttf font"


17:23:59Watusimotothey're all too small!


17:26:21raptorthere's this:  http://leetless.de/article-tiny-fonts.html


17:27:11Watusimototry this


17:27:11Watusimotohttp://wordmark.it/


17:27:13raptori was trying to use the 'gohu' one, but it's an incompatible ttf hybrid


17:27:31Watusimotoyou can preview dozens of fonts at any size


17:28:58raptoroh good, i can view it on black background


17:29:29raptorso select


17:29:34Watusimotothis one looks ok


17:29:34Watusimotohttp://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans


17:29:44raptornegative  + size 9


17:29:54Watusimotoat size 10


17:30:39Watusimotoyou can select some and show only those


17:30:42Watusimotoit's a pretty neat site


17:31:52raptoralso in my tests


17:32:07raptorTTF rendering at size 9 produces capital letters at 7 pixels


17:32:13raptorin hieght


17:32:20raptorbut the stroke does 9 pixels


17:32:45WatusimotoOCRATTRegular is ugly, but is readable even at 6


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17:52:31Watusimotolucida sans unicode also seems nice; not sure about license on that one


17:53:30raptorstrangelo Edessa  looks the most readable to me at size 9


17:56:55Watusimotodeja vu looks clearer on 9


17:57:18Watusimotothough it may just be bigger


17:58:40Watusimotolooks like that site does not do anti-aliasing, so that will change results


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18:10:40raptorI think our font sizes are mismatched between stroke and TTF


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18:12:37Nothing_Muchoi


18:12:42Nothing_Muchwhat's going on?


18:17:12raptorhi


18:17:15raptorplaying with fonts


18:18:24Nothing_Muchoh cool, but isn't checkbook the default one?


18:19:06raptorused for the logo, yes


18:19:13raptoreverythign else is different


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18:27:44Nothing_Muchoh nice


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18:46:50Nothing_Muchoh finally, fixed the wifi!


18:49:37raptorok, they all look bad


18:49:53raptori think we want a bitmap font with font-stash...  maybe I can write my own parser


18:50:16Nothing_Muchwouldn't it be better to use an svg-like font though?


18:50:20Nothing_Muchno pixels?


18:50:36raptorwe do that - but it's not very efficient at rendering


18:52:05raptorsvg-like font, or 'stroke' font, was what we had originally


18:52:23raptorand we still use it for LineItems/TextItems in-game


18:53:47Nothing_Muchrendering as in loading up fast or something?


18:57:44raptorno, actually drawing it


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19:25:30sam686in fonststash.c How about replacing GL_LINEAR with GL_NEAREST (theres 4 of them), and near bottom of FontManager,cpp remove "* 2.0f"?


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19:25:46thread_AMBIE>>>>  Braaiiins!


19:26:06raptorsam686: we've done that before - makes fonts look uglier


19:26:23sam686tried GL_NEAREST?


19:26:24raptorand we upscale by 2 so that they are crisper


19:26:43raptoryes, the GL_NEAREST added artifacts, if I recall


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19:28:16sam686One more thing in fontstash.c in function get_quad,  why floor(...) and convert to int?  maybe thats the cause of inaccurate spacing?


19:29:12sam686its effectively basically doing (float)(int)floor(...)


19:30:48raptorbecause it's multiplying with a float inside


19:30:58thread_I feel like I have to apologize for falling off the face of the planet.


19:31:05raptorhi thread_


19:31:09raptorwelcome back  :)


19:31:16sam686If it stayed at float, and no floor, the spacing looks a little more accurate


19:31:38sam686the spacing between letters that is..


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19:33:00Nothing_Muchoh man


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19:41:18fordcarsHi


19:43:52Nothing_MuchHey fordcars


19:46:21sam686Why is windows printscreen producing black screen capture when bitfighter at fullscreen?


19:49:34Nothing_MuchThat's weird


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20:22:20Nothing_Muchsam686: is it windows 7 or windows 8"


20:22:21Nothing_Much?


20:23:27sam686I mostly use windows 7


20:23:47Nothing_MuchAh


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22:23:20YoshiSmbhello everyone!


22:38:40raptorhi


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22:56:40Nothing_MuchHi YoshiSmb!


23:03:20YoshiSmbi was thinking nobody was online, :|


23:03:33YoshiSmbdid you download cs2d?


23:03:57Nothing_Muchyeah I also got the sound to work, apparently they're using an ancient sound system though :/


23:04:12YoshiSmbwow, but atleast worked


23:04:19Nothing_Muchyeah it works


23:04:26Nothing_Muchbut idk if I wanna play or not


23:04:44YoshiSmbyea, but can you host now?


23:04:47Nothing_MuchI got this thing that I wanna do a livestream of a couple games but I don't hav ethe hardware


23:04:54Nothing_Muchhost a game of CS2D?


23:04:57YoshiSmbyea


23:05:31Nothing_Muchyeah I could


23:05:50YoshiSmbunder what name?


23:06:02Nothing_Muchuh


23:06:04Nothing_Muchno no


23:06:10Nothing_MuchI'm not hosting anything right now


23:06:23YoshiSmbyea, if you could i mean


23:06:29Nothing_Muchidk lol


23:06:34Nothing_Muchnot that good with names


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23:21:37kaenhi


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23:21:46kaenbye


23:27:17Nothing_Muchkaen: you alright dude?


23:27:25Nothing_Muchoh, someone


23:27:43kaenlol


23:28:02Nothing_Muchis your skype borked or something dude or are ya just busy?


23:29:47Nothing_Mucheverybody's busy on a weekend!


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23:39:29Watusimotoraptor: I have a dilemma related to hg


23:39:36raptorhi


23:39:42Watusimotohi


23:39:43WatusimotoI want to push my new turret code


23:39:48raptorok


23:39:51Watusimotobut I have two heads locally


23:39:54raptormerge!


23:40:10Watusimotothat would not be a good idea at the moment


23:40:27Watusimotoone has some experimental stuff I may end up deleting


23:40:33raptorno?


23:40:43raptorok...  i usually don't push experimental stuff


23:40:55WatusimotoI don't want to push it


23:41:01WatusimotoI only want to push the main branch


23:41:09raptorah ok


23:41:19Watusimotobut i'm not sure if that can be done


23:41:36raptorhg push -b branch_name


23:42:03Watusimotohg push -b trunk?


23:42:15raptorhmm


23:42:18raptorthinking..


23:42:28raptori know sam686 has his tortoise set up to do that somehow


23:43:06raptoroh!


23:43:08raptorok


23:43:09raptoryeah


23:43:15raptorhg push -r .


23:43:25raptorwhere the '.' means the current revision you're in


23:43:41raptorthe -r means only push up to the given revision


23:43:58Watusimotoah, ok


23:44:05WatusimotoI'll try that


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23:44:53raptori think that may be tortoises default behavior unless you specify to force push all branches (but not sure)


23:47:01BFLogBot Commit: 39716b06a94b | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Reverse logic


23:47:03BFLogBot Commit: 7c2be6bfb573 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Make things a little clearer


23:47:04BFLogBot Commit: 63234e89e10a | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Create a GameTypeId lookup function, including full test coverage


23:47:06BFLogBot Commit: 1beb2d672914 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Formatting


23:47:07BFLogBot Commit: 087f5791c874 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Whitespace


23:47:09BFLogBot Commit: a1090abb3876 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Use new lookup to get rid of some awkward code


23:47:10BFLogBot Commit: 461d53401cca | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Warning


23:47:12BFLogBot Commit: 141b38c9662d | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Formatting


23:47:13BFLogBot Commit: 0415a66387cd | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Merge


23:47:15BFLogBot Commit: 89d04e1cdf39 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Whitespace


23:47:16BFLogBot Commit: 2fbb7111fe80 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Merge


23:47:18BFLogBot Commit: fe27ba1a1184 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Whitespace


23:47:19BFLogBot Commit: 731e2477b6f4 | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Never more shall the turret be the least efficient item we can render!


23:47:21BFLogBot Commit: af83722e4a7a | Author: watusimoto  | Message: Merge


23:47:44Watusimotolooks like it worked!


23:47:59raptoryay!


23:56:53YoshiSmbraptor

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