#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2014-08-29

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01:06:08 raptor sometimes I think I don't know c++...
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11:11:46 BFLogBot Commit: cfcfa53839 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Add CMake support for Win64.  Libraries will be added shortly
11:11:48 BFLogBot Commit: 11ee8b4e1d | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Add in Win64 libraries, UPX compressed (all but libogg which crashes for some reason)
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11:39:03 raptor good morning!
11:39:09 koda MORNING
11:40:19 raptor we are now win64 compatible!
11:43:35 starseeker raptor: (regarding C++) I'm reminded of what one of my undergrad physics professors told me about degrees - when you think you know everything, they give you the Bachelors degree.  When you figure out you don't know anything, they give you the Masters degree.  When you realize no one else knows anything either, you get the Phd
11:43:53 raptor haha, sounds about right
11:45:53 raptor in other news, skynet became aware this morning at 2:14 am
11:45:58 raptor self-aware
11:56:47 koda lies
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13:57:53 fordcars Uh, I think I have a crappy shit on my computer, Bitfighter.org has a bunch of ads over keywords
13:58:09 raptor you have malware installed!
13:58:14 raptor probably a browser plugin
14:01:23 fordcars Yeah I think so
14:01:23 fordcars :(
14:01:23 raptor get rid of it quick - it's probably also logging what you do
14:01:29 raptor waiting for you to access a financial or commercial site
14:03:07 fordcars Possibly,
14:03:09 fordcars I am trying to get rid of it, it actually a different process, not an extension
14:05:32 fordcars brb
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14:08:59 fordcars I think I got it
14:20:30 raptor oh good
14:21:05 fordcars Well, I didn't uninstall it, it didn't work. But I managed to find it on my hard drive and yanked it out of there
14:34:17 raptor i'd run a malware scanner...  it'll probably be more thorough
14:36:35 fordcars I think I will
14:37:06 fordcars Hey, one quick question, when is mLevel setup for a GameType?
14:37:20 raptor i have no idea
14:37:23 fordcars I get a TNLAssert(mLevel,   "Should have a level by now!");
14:37:26 fordcars Oh ok
14:37:27 raptor watusimoto is still working on that refactor...
14:37:53 fordcars I am trying to add a gamemode, everything is setup apart from that
14:51:40 raptor oooo
14:51:44 raptor that is not trivial
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14:59:46 fordcars Bitfighter's gamemodes are so cool!
14:59:59 fordcars I love how they have event style functions
15:05:04 fordcars I keep getting another error when I start a level with the game type in Bitfighter, it says there is a Non-fatal error and can't create the GameType
15:05:20 fordcars The GameType is in the GameTypeEnums.h
15:11:06 raptor oh?
15:11:36 raptor GameType is quite pervasive - you may have missed some other set-up that wasn't apparent
15:11:52 raptor the enum is probably aligned with some other array
15:11:55 fordcars I think so, it seems to find my GameType, but it can't created it
15:12:17 raptor did you create a new .cpp file for the GameType?
15:12:36 fordcars Yep
15:12:46 fordcars I have the class in there too
15:13:34 fordcars http://pastie.org/9513574 if you are interested
15:14:09 raptor that looks fine, how about a full diff...  :)
15:14:15 raptor hg diff
15:14:49 fordcars Ok :)
15:16:01 raptor also, if you didn't see...  bitfighter is now officially supported on win64
15:16:31 fordcars Really? Yay!
15:16:46 fordcars http://pastie.org/9513576
15:17:11 raptor copy/paste problem...
15:17:25 raptor do:  hg diff > somefile.diff
15:17:28 fordcars Windows cmd problem
15:17:31 fordcars Oh okok
15:17:33 raptor then open that file
15:18:06 fordcars http://pastie.org/9513579
15:18:54 fordcars Don't know why it says I added and removed a bunch of lines though
15:19:02 raptor probably windows new lines...
15:19:12 fordcars Oh maybe
15:19:37 raptor ok that looks fine
15:19:58 raptor oh
15:20:00 raptor haha
15:20:15 raptor i think in the gametype constructor you need to actually set its type
15:20:34 raptor oh actually, maybe not..
15:20:37 raptor that was changed
15:20:39 raptor hmmm
15:21:23 fordcars Wait
15:21:27 raptor ah ha..
15:21:41 raptor the constructor is missing the  GameType() parent bit
15:21:42 fordcars I know I think, I have to include dungeon.h somewhere?
15:21:51 raptor is it jsut not compiling?
15:21:57 fordcars No it is compiling
15:22:03 raptor then that wouldn't be it
15:22:05 raptor but
15:22:09 fordcars Oh okk
15:22:17 raptor (I'm using CoreGameType as a reference)
15:22:21 raptor the header needs this:   class CoreGameType : public GameType
15:22:28 raptor but for the DungeonGameType
15:22:54 fordcars I did :(
15:23:00 raptor ok
15:23:02 fordcars class DungeonGameType : public GameType { 	private: 		typedef GameType Parent;
15:23:06 fordcars etc
15:23:11 raptor ok great
15:23:29 raptor and you have int he header:     TNL_DECLARE_CLASS(DungeonGameType);
15:23:34 fordcars Yep
15:23:49 fordcars And I have TNL_IMPLEMENT_NETOBJECT(DungeonGameType); in .cpp
15:24:02 raptor ok good
15:24:07 raptor so what is the error?
15:24:50 fordcars When it loads the level, it says Non-fatal error in .../...//..././././././.dungeonTest.level - Unable to create GameType
15:24:54 fordcars Or similar
15:25:51 fordcars If I change the .level gametype's for something random, it says it can't find that GameType, so it's finding somethng with DungeonGameType
15:26:07 raptor can you paste your test level?
15:26:41 fordcars http://pastie.org/9513599
15:27:32 raptor huh
15:27:45 raptor when have you last done a full recompile?
15:28:10 fordcars Yeah, I haven't since I have cloned yesterday before starting this
15:29:45 raptor well now that you have the enum filled out, it's probably a good idea to do a full recompile - vc++ doesn't seem to be able to handle all class dependencies sometimes
15:30:26 fordcars Ok, rebuilding, thanks for the help!
15:54:58 fordcars Aw, still doesn't work, I think I am missing something her
15:55:01 fordcars e
15:56:33 raptor make sure the spelling of DungeonGameType in the enum matches the class name
15:57:16 fordcars Yep
15:57:46 raptor maybe the TNL declaration needs to be at the end...
15:58:50 Nothing_Much wait wat
15:58:55 Nothing_Much fordcars: what are you doing on Windows???
15:59:04 fordcars Huh?
15:59:08 fordcars Oh right
15:59:39 fordcars It sucks I know, but I was playing a game and forgot to switch over to debian haha
15:59:51 fordcars I might just commit my changes and head over to Linux
16:10:11 fordcars raptor: this is what is failing TNL::Object::create(GameType::validateGameType(argv[0]).c_str());
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16:10:30 YoshiSmb hi guys
16:10:55 raptor yes
16:11:04 raptor right on object creation
16:11:21 raptor what that does is take a string 'DungeonGameType' and create that object from the string
16:11:36 raptor so something itsn't set quite right for TNL to create that object
16:13:42 fordcars Ok, I'll check it out
16:13:48 fordcars Hi YoshiSmb
16:14:35 YoshiSmb i just entered the NetHack channel
16:14:40 YoshiSmb and this:
16:14:48 YoshiSmb <spheroid> would it be a bad idea to attempt crossing Medusa's island with jumping boots?
16:14:55 YoshiSmb <YoshiSmb> if you land a square next to her...
16:15:07 YoshiSmb <YoshiSmb> yes...
16:15:42 YoshiSmb that was kinda random
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16:22:34 Nothing_Much I am so ecstatic
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16:26:27 Nothing_Much I can't make the party tonight, unfortunately :(
16:26:52 Watusimoto is there a party tonight??
16:27:10 Watusimoto I am *so* out of it
17:18:40 raptor it works!
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17:38:47 YoshiSmb somebody is here?
17:39:57 YoshiSmb not afk of course!
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17:51:35 YoshiSmb hey raptor
17:51:53 raptor hello
17:52:06 raptor Watusimoto: we support Win64 now!
17:52:54 YoshiSmb i got quoted on here
17:52:54 YoshiSmb http://nhqdb.alt.org/?latest
17:52:55 Watusimoto I saw!  Great!
17:53:02 Watusimoto I didn't know we didn't before, but awesome that we do!
17:53:11 Watusimoto I'm actually writing bf code for the first time in weeks!
17:53:13 Watusimoto yay!
17:53:18 raptor hooray!
17:53:34 raptor most of the Win64 work was just getting the libraries compiled
17:53:36 Watusimoto trying to resolve the last problems I know about with my level refactor
17:53:44 Watusimoto I want that DONE
17:53:50 raptor me too!  :)
17:53:59 Watusimoto longest refactor EVAR
17:54:26 raptor I made a failed attempt at trying to hook up our Vector<string> INI options with key0, key1, key2, etc. pattern
17:55:01 Watusimoto I'm not sure what you mean by that
17:55:28 raptor we have several INI sections that save multi-dimensional data as keys like this:  Server0=blah
17:55:33 raptor Server1=SAM TEST
17:55:37 Watusimoto oh, that
17:55:55 raptor so I made an attempt to hook that up to our Settings
17:56:03 raptor ...and failed
17:56:31 raptor I may try again, but I need to think about it first
17:57:42 Watusimoto I think that might need to be a special thing
17:58:13 Watusimoto some sections will contain regular key/value pairs, others contain what amounts to flattened arrays of objects
17:58:50 raptor and some have regular key/value pairs with the value being a serialized collection!
17:58:57 Watusimoto indeed
17:59:20 Watusimoto and one has a key/value pair with the value being a long series of booleans encoded as Ys and Ns
17:59:31 Watusimoto which is its own weirdness
18:01:45 Watusimoto did we change the forums skin sometime in the past couple of weeks?
18:01:54 raptor maybe we should just use JSON!
18:02:03 raptor not I said the fly
18:02:20 Watusimoto it looks ok, just different
18:02:24 raptor only us messing with sitewide styles
18:02:29 Watusimoto especially blocks of quoted text
18:02:45 raptor ah yes
18:02:56 Watusimoto http://i.imgur.com/Xa2JoJX.png
18:03:05 Watusimoto and the buttons look smaller
18:03:14 Watusimoto (edit, quote, ...)
18:03:34 raptor Yeah, I noticed that, too...  I thought that was just because we started using hte old drupal styles accidentally
18:03:42 Watusimoto perhaps so
18:04:14 Watusimoto it's not bad... I may change a few things that look off to me, but it's hardly a big deal
18:06:42 raptor or maybe...   http://www.yaml.org/
18:06:49 raptor like INI on crack
18:07:25 raptor oh wait - hierarchy is maintained by indentation...
18:07:35 Watusimoto yup
18:07:36 raptor that's...  that would be really bad for users
18:07:53 Watusimoto especially our users :-)
18:07:59 raptor INI it is!
18:08:07 raptor I'm sure we've had this conversation before...
18:08:08 Watusimoto for most of what we do, INI is the best format I can think of
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18:08:39 Watusimoto it's easy to understand, it works, but it does have some weirdness when we try to jam in more complex data
18:09:40 Watusimoto maybe the joystick profiles would be done better in JSON or YAML
18:09:52 Watusimoto those aren't really user-editable in the sense that the INI is
18:10:19 Watusimoto ...that the bitfighter.ini file is...
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18:12:11 Nothing_Much Win64?
18:12:15 Nothing_Much Windows 64 bit?
18:12:17 raptor yes
18:12:38 Nothing_Much lol
18:12:40 raptor I put in the effort to do that because there are rumours that Windows 9 will be released without 32bit support
18:13:01 Nothing_Much interesting..
18:13:21 Nothing_Much though I think Windows's days are numbered in about 20 years
18:13:49 Nothing_Much or heck, maybe 10
18:14:01 Nothing_Much when FOSS starts becoming the norm
18:14:25 Nothing_Much but anyways, if the party starts at 8pm, I *might* be able to make it, but at 9, I won't be able to tonight
18:14:32 raptor when people stop using desktops...
18:14:45 Nothing_Much not really
18:14:54 Nothing_Much Ubuntu is going to prove that desktops and phones can become one
18:14:56 Nothing_Much :D
18:15:07 raptor not in the workplace
18:15:50 Nothing_Much depends on how many more people want to stick to Windows
18:16:00 raptor as long as people want to use computers for work, mobile (and its interfaces) can almost never replace the desktop
18:16:04 Nothing_Much as well as how much more powerful that ARM gets
18:16:37 Nothing_Much I dunno, Unity 8 looks and functions perfectly on touchscreens
18:16:48 Nothing_Much I can't wait to see what else they'll implement in the desktop
18:22:51 Nothing_Much anyways, if sky_lark can, can we set the party earlier 1 hour?
18:23:09 raptor you'd  have to ask him, but I doubt time changes will happen the day of the event
18:23:42 Nothing_Much agh, darn
18:23:47 Nothing_Much I need to sleep at that time :(
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18:29:50 Nothing_Much I hope he sees the message
18:29:51 Nothing_Much or hell
18:29:53 Nothing_Much Maybe I can PM him
18:30:12 raptor yeah, the PMs may e-mail him
18:34:09 Nothing_Much I messaged him
18:39:11 starseeker raptor: did kaen end up taking a look at clip2tri?
18:39:27 raptor i don't know
18:49:26 YoshiSmb Later
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19:35:26 YoshiSmb Raptor
19:35:29 YoshiSmb Watusimoto
19:35:45 YoshiSmb I can't upload an zip on a pm
19:35:46 Watusimoto yo
19:35:51 raptor hi
19:35:59 Watusimoto why not?
19:36:01 raptor oh, let me see to that
19:36:16 YoshiSmb it's say that "cannot upload the file!"
19:36:29 raptor what is the exact message?
19:36:56 YoshiSmb let's me find it
19:37:27 raptor oh haha
19:37:33 raptor one moment...
19:37:36 raptor permissions error on the server
19:38:39 Nothing_Much what's going on?
19:38:44 raptor someone changed all the permissions to wat:wat
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19:38:55 raptor I wonder who that could be...
19:39:19 raptor ok YoshiSmb, now try
19:39:23 YoshiSmb ok
19:45:51 YoshiSmb working!
19:46:08 YoshiSmb reconnecting
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20:01:34 Nothing_Much raptor: Party time?
20:01:41 raptor one hour
20:04:06 Nothing_Much ah darn
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20:12:42 Watusimoto my kids may be joining in after the first hour
20:12:48 Watusimoto they're super excited
20:13:21 raptor oh boy oh boy!
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20:26:30 raptor Watusimoto: I can't remember if we've discussed the settings that don't belong in the INI but are derived from them
20:26:43 raptor for example, oldDisplayMode
20:26:46 Watusimoto not that I recall...
20:27:07 raptor ok - where would a good place for those be?
20:27:13 Watusimoto ok, yes... that is the previous display mode after you change your current one?
20:27:17 raptor yes
20:27:22 Watusimoto why do we need that at all?
20:27:29 raptor but there are other settings lingering around as well
20:27:37 raptor good question, i'll take a look
20:27:53 Watusimoto I'm looking too
20:28:09 Watusimoto I can understand why we need it during mode transitions
20:28:53 Watusimoto oh
20:28:57 Watusimoto I know why
20:29:12 Watusimoto maybe this can be better designed, but...
20:29:20 Watusimoto we have 3 display modes
20:29:28 Watusimoto window, full, full-stretched
20:29:43 Watusimoto but in the editor, we only have 2; window and full
20:30:14 Watusimoto when you leave the editor and are in full, you need to know what to go back to (full or full-stretched)
20:30:24 Watusimoto I think that is what oldDisplayMode is for
20:30:42 Watusimoto if I am right, we could perhaps refactor that setting out altogether
20:31:56 Watusimoto maybe we could just track your current display mode, then have some sort of UI-based filter that can alter the current mode somehow
20:32:55 Watusimoto but in either case, when you quit bitfighter, I think we don;t need to save the oldMode; we should just be saving whatever mode you would be in if you weren't in the editor
20:40:32 raptor we don't save the old mode right now
20:40:40 raptor it's derived
20:41:45 raptor and i'm wondering where to keep such derived settings - but you're saying that maybe we should try and get rid of them?
20:47:43 Watusimoto oh, wait, I may have misunderstood
20:47:54 Watusimoto we don't save it, that's good
20:48:15 Watusimoto I think in this particular case, we could derive it dynamically
20:49:11 Watusimoto but maybe I don't understand what a derived setting is vs. some other random setting
20:50:36 raptor i'm speaking about derived being a non-INI setting based off of an INI one (or combination of INI ones)
20:50:47 raptor that are in the config.cpp right now...
20:50:58 raptor I suppose they should just go on the GameSettings object
20:52:09 Watusimoto yes, that would make sense
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22:54:20 fordcars Hey Watusimoto, do you have a minute?
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11:11:46		BFLogBot Commit: cfcfa53839 \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: Add CMake support for Win64. Libraries will be added shortly
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11:39:03	raptor	good morning!
11:39:09	koda	MORNING
11:40:19	raptor	we are now win64 compatible!
11:43:35	starseeker	raptor: (regarding C++) I'm reminded of what one of my undergrad physics professors told me about degrees - when you think you know everything, they give you the Bachelors degree. When you figure out you don't know anything, they give you the Masters degree. When you realize no one else knows anything either, you get the Phd
11:43:53	raptor	haha, sounds about right
11:45:53	raptor	in other news, skynet became aware this morning at 2:14 am
11:45:58	raptor	self-aware
11:56:47	koda	lies
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13:57:53	fordcars	Uh, I think I have a crappy shit on my computer, Bitfighter.org has a bunch of ads over keywords
13:58:09	raptor	you have malware installed!
13:58:14	raptor	probably a browser plugin
14:01:23	fordcars	Yeah I think so
14:01:23	fordcars	:(
14:01:23	raptor	get rid of it quick - it's probably also logging what you do
14:01:29	raptor	waiting for you to access a financial or commercial site
14:03:07	fordcars	Possibly,
14:03:09	fordcars	I am trying to get rid of it, it actually a different process, not an extension
14:05:32	fordcars	brb
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14:08:59	fordcars	I think I got it
14:20:30	raptor	oh good
14:21:05	fordcars	Well, I didn't uninstall it, it didn't work. But I managed to find it on my hard drive and yanked it out of there
14:34:17	raptor	i'd run a malware scanner... it'll probably be more thorough
14:36:35	fordcars	I think I will
14:37:06	fordcars	Hey, one quick question, when is mLevel setup for a GameType?
14:37:20	raptor	i have no idea
14:37:23	fordcars	I get a TNLAssert(mLevel, "Should have a level by now!");
14:37:26	fordcars	Oh ok
14:37:27	raptor	watusimoto is still working on that refactor...
14:37:53	fordcars	I am trying to add a gamemode, everything is setup apart from that
14:51:40	raptor	oooo
14:51:44	raptor	that is not trivial
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14:59:46	fordcars	Bitfighter's gamemodes are so cool!
14:59:59	fordcars	I love how they have event style functions
15:05:04	fordcars	I keep getting another error when I start a level with the game type in Bitfighter, it says there is a Non-fatal error and can't create the GameType
15:05:20	fordcars	The GameType is in the GameTypeEnums.h
15:11:06	raptor	oh?
15:11:36	raptor	GameType is quite pervasive - you may have missed some other set-up that wasn't apparent
15:11:52	raptor	the enum is probably aligned with some other array
15:11:55	fordcars	I think so, it seems to find my GameType, but it can't created it
15:12:17	raptor	did you create a new .cpp file for the GameType?
15:12:36	fordcars	Yep
15:12:46	fordcars	I have the class in there too
15:13:34	fordcars	http://pastie.org/9513574 if you are interested
15:14:09	raptor	that looks fine, how about a full diff... :)
15:14:15	raptor	hg diff
15:14:49	fordcars	Ok :)
15:16:01	raptor	also, if you didn't see... bitfighter is now officially supported on win64
15:16:31	fordcars	Really? Yay!
15:16:46	fordcars	http://pastie.org/9513576
15:17:11	raptor	copy/paste problem...
15:17:25	raptor	do: hg diff > somefile.diff
15:17:28	fordcars	Windows cmd problem
15:17:31	fordcars	Oh okok
15:17:33	raptor	then open that file
15:18:06	fordcars	http://pastie.org/9513579
15:18:54	fordcars	Don't know why it says I added and removed a bunch of lines though
15:19:02	raptor	probably windows new lines...
15:19:12	fordcars	Oh maybe
15:19:37	raptor	ok that looks fine
15:19:58	raptor	oh
15:20:00	raptor	haha
15:20:15	raptor	i think in the gametype constructor you need to actually set its type
15:20:34	raptor	oh actually, maybe not..
15:20:37	raptor	that was changed
15:20:39	raptor	hmmm
15:21:23	fordcars	Wait
15:21:27	raptor	ah ha..
15:21:41	raptor	the constructor is missing the GameType() parent bit
15:21:42	fordcars	I know I think, I have to include dungeon.h somewhere?
15:21:51	raptor	is it jsut not compiling?
15:21:57	fordcars	No it is compiling
15:22:03	raptor	then that wouldn't be it
15:22:05	raptor	but
15:22:09	fordcars	Oh okk
15:22:17	raptor	(I'm using CoreGameType as a reference)
15:22:21	raptor	the header needs this: class CoreGameType : public GameType
15:22:28	raptor	but for the DungeonGameType
15:22:54	fordcars	I did :(
15:23:00	raptor	ok
15:23:02	fordcars	class DungeonGameType : public GameType { private: typedef GameType Parent;
15:23:06	fordcars	etc
15:23:11	raptor	ok great
15:23:29	raptor	and you have int he header: TNL_DECLARE_CLASS(DungeonGameType);
15:23:34	fordcars	Yep
15:23:49	fordcars	And I have TNL_IMPLEMENT_NETOBJECT(DungeonGameType); in .cpp
15:24:02	raptor	ok good
15:24:07	raptor	so what is the error?
15:24:50	fordcars	When it loads the level, it says Non-fatal error in .../...//..././././././.dungeonTest.level - Unable to create GameType
15:24:54	fordcars	Or similar
15:25:51	fordcars	If I change the .level gametype's for something random, it says it can't find that GameType, so it's finding somethng with DungeonGameType
15:26:07	raptor	can you paste your test level?
15:26:41	fordcars	http://pastie.org/9513599
15:27:32	raptor	huh
15:27:45	raptor	when have you last done a full recompile?
15:28:10	fordcars	Yeah, I haven't since I have cloned yesterday before starting this
15:29:45	raptor	well now that you have the enum filled out, it's probably a good idea to do a full recompile - vc++ doesn't seem to be able to handle all class dependencies sometimes
15:30:26	fordcars	Ok, rebuilding, thanks for the help!
15:54:58	fordcars	Aw, still doesn't work, I think I am missing something her
15:55:01	fordcars	e
15:56:33	raptor	make sure the spelling of DungeonGameType in the enum matches the class name
15:57:16	fordcars	Yep
15:57:46	raptor	maybe the TNL declaration needs to be at the end...
15:58:50	Nothing_Much	wait wat
15:58:55	Nothing_Much	fordcars: what are you doing on Windows???
15:59:04	fordcars	Huh?
15:59:08	fordcars	Oh right
15:59:39	fordcars	It sucks I know, but I was playing a game and forgot to switch over to debian haha
15:59:51	fordcars	I might just commit my changes and head over to Linux
16:10:11	fordcars	raptor: this is what is failing TNL::Object::create(GameType::validateGameType(argv[0]).c_str());
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16:10:30	YoshiSmb	hi guys
16:10:55	raptor	yes
16:11:04	raptor	right on object creation
16:11:21	raptor	what that does is take a string 'DungeonGameType' and create that object from the string
16:11:36	raptor	so something itsn't set quite right for TNL to create that object
16:13:42	fordcars	Ok, I'll check it out
16:13:48	fordcars	Hi YoshiSmb
16:14:35	YoshiSmb	i just entered the NetHack channel
16:14:40	YoshiSmb	and this:
16:14:48	YoshiSmb	<spheroid> would it be a bad idea to attempt crossing Medusa's island with jumping boots?
16:14:55	YoshiSmb	<YoshiSmb> if you land a square next to her...
16:15:07	YoshiSmb	<YoshiSmb> yes...
16:15:42	YoshiSmb	that was kinda random
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16:22:34	Nothing_Much	I am so ecstatic
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16:26:27	Nothing_Much	I can't make the party tonight, unfortunately :(
16:26:52	Watusimoto	is there a party tonight??
16:27:10	Watusimoto	I am so out of it
17:18:40	raptor	it works!
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17:38:47	YoshiSmb	somebody is here?
17:39:57	YoshiSmb	not afk of course!
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17:51:35	YoshiSmb	hey raptor
17:51:53	raptor	hello
17:52:06	raptor	Watusimoto: we support Win64 now!
17:52:54	YoshiSmb	i got quoted on here
17:52:54	YoshiSmb	http://nhqdb.alt.org/?latest
17:52:55	Watusimoto	I saw! Great!
17:53:02	Watusimoto	I didn't know we didn't before, but awesome that we do!
17:53:11	Watusimoto	I'm actually writing bf code for the first time in weeks!
17:53:13	Watusimoto	yay!
17:53:18	raptor	hooray!
17:53:34	raptor	most of the Win64 work was just getting the libraries compiled
17:53:36	Watusimoto	trying to resolve the last problems I know about with my level refactor
17:53:44	Watusimoto	I want that DONE
17:53:50	raptor	me too! :)
17:53:59	Watusimoto	longest refactor EVAR
17:54:26	raptor	I made a failed attempt at trying to hook up our Vector<string> INI options with key0, key1, key2, etc. pattern
17:55:01	Watusimoto	I'm not sure what you mean by that
17:55:28	raptor	we have several INI sections that save multi-dimensional data as keys like this: Server0=blah
17:55:33	raptor	Server1=SAM TEST
17:55:37	Watusimoto	oh, that
17:55:55	raptor	so I made an attempt to hook that up to our Settings
17:56:03	raptor	...and failed
17:56:31	raptor	I may try again, but I need to think about it first
17:57:42	Watusimoto	I think that might need to be a special thing
17:58:13	Watusimoto	some sections will contain regular key/value pairs, others contain what amounts to flattened arrays of objects
17:58:50	raptor	and some have regular key/value pairs with the value being a serialized collection!
17:58:57	Watusimoto	indeed
17:59:20	Watusimoto	and one has a key/value pair with the value being a long series of booleans encoded as Ys and Ns
17:59:31	Watusimoto	which is its own weirdness
18:01:45	Watusimoto	did we change the forums skin sometime in the past couple of weeks?
18:01:54	raptor	maybe we should just use JSON!
18:02:03	raptor	not I said the fly
18:02:20	Watusimoto	it looks ok, just different
18:02:24	raptor	only us messing with sitewide styles
18:02:29	Watusimoto	especially blocks of quoted text
18:02:45	raptor	ah yes
18:02:56	Watusimoto	http://i.imgur.com/Xa2JoJX.png
18:03:05	Watusimoto	and the buttons look smaller
18:03:14	Watusimoto	(edit, quote, ...)
18:03:34	raptor	Yeah, I noticed that, too... I thought that was just because we started using hte old drupal styles accidentally
18:03:42	Watusimoto	perhaps so
18:04:14	Watusimoto	it's not bad... I may change a few things that look off to me, but it's hardly a big deal
18:06:42	raptor	or maybe... http://www.yaml.org/
18:06:49	raptor	like INI on crack
18:07:25	raptor	oh wait - hierarchy is maintained by indentation...
18:07:35	Watusimoto	yup
18:07:36	raptor	that's... that would be really bad for users
18:07:53	Watusimoto	especially our users :-)
18:07:59	raptor	INI it is!
18:08:07	raptor	I'm sure we've had this conversation before...
18:08:08	Watusimoto	for most of what we do, INI is the best format I can think of
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18:08:39	Watusimoto	it's easy to understand, it works, but it does have some weirdness when we try to jam in more complex data
18:09:40	Watusimoto	maybe the joystick profiles would be done better in JSON or YAML
18:09:52	Watusimoto	those aren't really user-editable in the sense that the INI is
18:10:19	Watusimoto	...that the bitfighter.ini file is...
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18:12:11	Nothing_Much	Win64?
18:12:15	Nothing_Much	Windows 64 bit?
18:12:17	raptor	yes
18:12:38	Nothing_Much	lol
18:12:40	raptor	I put in the effort to do that because there are rumours that Windows 9 will be released without 32bit support
18:13:01	Nothing_Much	interesting..
18:13:21	Nothing_Much	though I think Windows's days are numbered in about 20 years
18:13:49	Nothing_Much	or heck, maybe 10
18:14:01	Nothing_Much	when FOSS starts becoming the norm
18:14:25	Nothing_Much	but anyways, if the party starts at 8pm, I might be able to make it, but at 9, I won't be able to tonight
18:14:32	raptor	when people stop using desktops...
18:14:45	Nothing_Much	not really
18:14:54	Nothing_Much	Ubuntu is going to prove that desktops and phones can become one
18:14:56	Nothing_Much	:D
18:15:07	raptor	not in the workplace
18:15:50	Nothing_Much	depends on how many more people want to stick to Windows
18:16:00	raptor	as long as people want to use computers for work, mobile (and its interfaces) can almost never replace the desktop
18:16:04	Nothing_Much	as well as how much more powerful that ARM gets
18:16:37	Nothing_Much	I dunno, Unity 8 looks and functions perfectly on touchscreens
18:16:48	Nothing_Much	I can't wait to see what else they'll implement in the desktop
18:22:51	Nothing_Much	anyways, if sky_lark can, can we set the party earlier 1 hour?
18:23:09	raptor	you'd have to ask him, but I doubt time changes will happen the day of the event
18:23:42	Nothing_Much	agh, darn
18:23:47	Nothing_Much	I need to sleep at that time :(
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18:29:50	Nothing_Much	I hope he sees the message
18:29:51	Nothing_Much	or hell
18:29:53	Nothing_Much	Maybe I can PM him
18:30:12	raptor	yeah, the PMs may e-mail him
18:34:09	Nothing_Much	I messaged him
18:39:11	starseeker	raptor: did kaen end up taking a look at clip2tri?
18:39:27	raptor	i don't know
18:49:26	YoshiSmb	Later
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19:35:26	YoshiSmb	Raptor
19:35:29	YoshiSmb	Watusimoto
19:35:45	YoshiSmb	I can't upload an zip on a pm
19:35:46	Watusimoto	yo
19:35:51	raptor	hi
19:35:59	Watusimoto	why not?
19:36:01	raptor	oh, let me see to that
19:36:16	YoshiSmb	it's say that "cannot upload the file!"
19:36:29	raptor	what is the exact message?
19:36:56	YoshiSmb	let's me find it
19:37:27	raptor	oh haha
19:37:33	raptor	one moment...
19:37:36	raptor	permissions error on the server
19:38:39	Nothing_Much	what's going on?
19:38:44	raptor	someone changed all the permissions to wat:wat
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19:38:55	raptor	I wonder who that could be...
19:39:19	raptor	ok YoshiSmb, now try
19:39:23	YoshiSmb	ok
19:45:51	YoshiSmb	working!
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20:01:34	Nothing_Much	raptor: Party time?
20:01:41	raptor	one hour
20:04:06	Nothing_Much	ah darn
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20:12:42	Watusimoto	my kids may be joining in after the first hour
20:12:48	Watusimoto	they're super excited
20:13:21	raptor	oh boy oh boy!
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20:26:30	raptor	Watusimoto: I can't remember if we've discussed the settings that don't belong in the INI but are derived from them
20:26:43	raptor	for example, oldDisplayMode
20:26:46	Watusimoto	not that I recall...
20:27:07	raptor	ok - where would a good place for those be?
20:27:13	Watusimoto	ok, yes... that is the previous display mode after you change your current one?
20:27:17	raptor	yes
20:27:22	Watusimoto	why do we need that at all?
20:27:29	raptor	but there are other settings lingering around as well
20:27:37	raptor	good question, i'll take a look
20:27:53	Watusimoto	I'm looking too
20:28:09	Watusimoto	I can understand why we need it during mode transitions
20:28:53	Watusimoto	oh
20:28:57	Watusimoto	I know why
20:29:12	Watusimoto	maybe this can be better designed, but...
20:29:20	Watusimoto	we have 3 display modes
20:29:28	Watusimoto	window, full, full-stretched
20:29:43	Watusimoto	but in the editor, we only have 2; window and full
20:30:14	Watusimoto	when you leave the editor and are in full, you need to know what to go back to (full or full-stretched)
20:30:24	Watusimoto	I think that is what oldDisplayMode is for
20:30:42	Watusimoto	if I am right, we could perhaps refactor that setting out altogether
20:31:56	Watusimoto	maybe we could just track your current display mode, then have some sort of UI-based filter that can alter the current mode somehow
20:32:55	Watusimoto	but in either case, when you quit bitfighter, I think we don;t need to save the oldMode; we should just be saving whatever mode you would be in if you weren't in the editor
20:40:32	raptor	we don't save the old mode right now
20:40:40	raptor	it's derived
20:41:45	raptor	and i'm wondering where to keep such derived settings - but you're saying that maybe we should try and get rid of them?
20:47:43	Watusimoto	oh, wait, I may have misunderstood
20:47:54	Watusimoto	we don't save it, that's good
20:48:15	Watusimoto	I think in this particular case, we could derive it dynamically
20:49:11	Watusimoto	but maybe I don't understand what a derived setting is vs. some other random setting
20:50:36	raptor	i'm speaking about derived being a non-INI setting based off of an INI one (or combination of INI ones)
20:50:47	raptor	that are in the config.cpp right now...
20:50:58	raptor	I suppose they should just go on the GameSettings object
20:52:09	Watusimoto	yes, that would make sense
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22:54:20	fordcars	Hey Watusimoto, do you have a minute?
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