#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2014-12-29

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20:20:47 thread_ Does the "Map Gallery" section of the website have any use now that Pleiades is a thing?
20:38:32 fordcars Uh, for zip level packs I guess>
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21:02:25 raptor good evening!
21:15:31 fordcars Hi!
21:18:36 JeffMB hello
21:31:38 raptor howdy
21:41:07 JeffMB how ya been,  merry late christmas ;p
21:42:15 fordcars Soon 2015!
21:57:15 raptor good thanks!
21:57:27 raptor i'm debating releasing 019d
22:02:42 raptor JeffMB: is there a way to play the normal MB levels as multiplayer levels?
22:03:12 raptor I want to do a coop mode with my brother...  :)
22:04:48 JeffMB yeah, I think you just gotta put them in custom. never tried it though.
22:04:56 JeffMB but other community members do it
22:05:12 raptor all the levels i tried to play multiplayer on were snow/ice themed
22:05:17 JeffMB if u have trouble, go on the webchat and ask how to do SinglePlayer 2 Multiplayer. the kiddies will know
22:05:22 raptor which got annoying after a while..
22:05:24 JeffMB yes, thats going away in a week or so
22:05:30 raptor ha ok
22:05:32 JeffMB yep its pissing me off too, but head admin wanted those
22:05:38 JeffMB everybody is complaining about the snow
22:05:39 JeffMB :)
22:06:21 JeffMB so i got plebs now asking me to put new graphics effects in marble blast, and I'm like. Well, OpenGL 1.1 isn't gonna really do render to texture......
22:06:38 raptor i think it does
22:06:42 JeffMB without serious hax :P
22:06:45 JeffMB to the engine
22:06:49 raptor ah
22:06:59 JeffMB well, i mean i guess i could hook up a framebuffer object, BUT, without source code to engine, its hell trying to change the GL
22:07:26 JeffMB my response was if you want effects, go to Torque3D and make a marble game =P
22:07:32 raptor haha
22:08:36 JeffMB if i could somehow get decent physics, i would do a clone of MB in T3D with original assets. the hardpart is getting the physics to be about 90+% accurate since it uses a custom physics solver and not an open standard physics engine
22:08:54 raptor yeah, bitfighter uses it's own physics engine
22:09:24 raptor although something like Chipmunk physics was considered once
22:09:38 JeffMB box2d is probs the best one imo for 2d
22:09:41 raptor i also took a look at libbullet, but i think it's too huge for our purposes
22:09:55 raptor oh yeah..  i think i looked at that one, too
22:09:59 JeffMB yeah bullet / physX are the leading dogs for 3D
22:10:16 JeffMB yeah box2d is what Torque2D uses actually, as well as Unity3D among others
22:10:24 JeffMB well, unity2D
22:11:28 JeffMB my issue is i need a physics engine that supports ConvexHulls with per-triangle friciton/restitution so i can have like ice patch inside of the same physics mesh
22:11:41 JeffMB bullet/physx seem to only have that in a triangle mesh
22:12:10 JeffMB convex hulls are faster to compute, and work good with BSP geometry
22:12:55 JeffMB + Torque has a proprietary format for BSP called DIF [deprecated though] that does hidden face/surface removal on the object to optmize it
22:12:56 raptor we create convex hulls for robot navigation using the RecastNavigation library
22:13:31 JeffMB heh recast :D
22:14:14 JeffMB I'm not sure how they handled per-triangle friction like ice patch to normal to grass on same collision mesh though in their custom thing :/
22:14:18 JeffMB and they use convex hulls
22:14:38 thread_ Hey raptor, not to derail your conversation, but I just wanted to double check: Pleiades doesn't hold onto bot code, right?
22:14:57 raptor hi thread_, no it does not...  but i think it probably should
22:15:14 raptor in fact, we should have a more maleable way to handle levelgens/bots in levels
22:15:33 thread_ so, in the meantime, I should put the bot code on mediafire or something?
22:15:43 raptor i'd put it on the forums
22:15:48 raptor i think there is a robots section
22:18:26 thread_ WE HAVE A ROBOTS SECTION?
22:18:31 raptor yes!
22:19:08 thread_ Well color me a non-racist color
22:23:32 thread_ oh, well that is in the development area. Is that ok for me to post my personal code there?
22:23:58 raptor Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
22:24:13 thread_ dangit. Scared him off
22:24:51 fordcars thread_: I have in the past :/
22:24:57 fordcars I think it's fine :P
22:24:59 thread_ ah
22:25:07 fordcars "Bot specific discussion. Have some code you want to share? Post it here."
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22:31:57 raptor BACK
22:32:21 raptor sorry, network issues
22:32:50 raptor thread_: oh yeah, post to the bots forum
22:33:12 raptor The development forum is for things just like that
22:36:48 raptor thread_: did you need me to take any specific action on your bot?
22:37:10 thread_ specific action?
22:38:41 thread_ like what?
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22:44:10 raptor argh...  ok, wireless should be stable now...
22:46:37 thread_ "should"
22:47:42 thread_ so, what did you mean by taking specific action on the bot?
22:53:19 fordcars Hah, raptor just won't answer will he :P
22:59:33 thread_ Nah. He secretly has it in for me
23:01:03 thread_ Anyway, bot code is posted. http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2551&p=25203#p25203
23:01:21 thread_ Maybe someone wants to take a bit of time to try it out? I haven't tested multiplayer
23:18:21 fordcars Sure!
23:22:05 thread_ I think im hosting... hopefully my network settings make it visible
23:22:42 fordcars It has a password :(
23:25:07 thread_ k, that should be fixed
23:40:09 thread_ that was a stupid bug
23:40:34 thread_ think I got it now.
23:40:50 fordcars Alrightyy

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20:20:47	thread_	Does the "Map Gallery" section of the website have any use now that Pleiades is a thing?
20:38:32	fordcars	Uh, for zip level packs I guess>
21:02:22		raptor has joined
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21:02:25	raptor	good evening!
21:15:31	fordcars	Hi!
21:18:36	JeffMB	hello
21:31:38	raptor	howdy
21:41:07	JeffMB	how ya been, merry late christmas ;p
21:42:15	fordcars	Soon 2015!
21:57:15	raptor	good thanks!
21:57:27	raptor	i'm debating releasing 019d
22:02:42	raptor	JeffMB: is there a way to play the normal MB levels as multiplayer levels?
22:03:12	raptor	I want to do a coop mode with my brother... :)
22:04:48	JeffMB	yeah, I think you just gotta put them in custom. never tried it though.
22:04:56	JeffMB	but other community members do it
22:05:12	raptor	all the levels i tried to play multiplayer on were snow/ice themed
22:05:17	JeffMB	if u have trouble, go on the webchat and ask how to do SinglePlayer 2 Multiplayer. the kiddies will know
22:05:22	raptor	which got annoying after a while..
22:05:24	JeffMB	yes, thats going away in a week or so
22:05:30	raptor	ha ok
22:05:32	JeffMB	yep its pissing me off too, but head admin wanted those
22:05:38	JeffMB	everybody is complaining about the snow
22:05:39	JeffMB	:)
22:06:21	JeffMB	so i got plebs now asking me to put new graphics effects in marble blast, and I'm like. Well, OpenGL 1.1 isn't gonna really do render to texture......
22:06:38	raptor	i think it does
22:06:42	JeffMB	without serious hax :P
22:06:45	JeffMB	to the engine
22:06:49	raptor	ah
22:06:59	JeffMB	well, i mean i guess i could hook up a framebuffer object, BUT, without source code to engine, its hell trying to change the GL
22:07:26	JeffMB	my response was if you want effects, go to Torque3D and make a marble game =P
22:07:32	raptor	haha
22:08:36	JeffMB	if i could somehow get decent physics, i would do a clone of MB in T3D with original assets. the hardpart is getting the physics to be about 90+% accurate since it uses a custom physics solver and not an open standard physics engine
22:08:54	raptor	yeah, bitfighter uses it's own physics engine
22:09:24	raptor	although something like Chipmunk physics was considered once
22:09:38	JeffMB	box2d is probs the best one imo for 2d
22:09:41	raptor	i also took a look at libbullet, but i think it's too huge for our purposes
22:09:55	raptor	oh yeah.. i think i looked at that one, too
22:09:59	JeffMB	yeah bullet / physX are the leading dogs for 3D
22:10:16	JeffMB	yeah box2d is what Torque2D uses actually, as well as Unity3D among others
22:10:24	JeffMB	well, unity2D
22:11:28	JeffMB	my issue is i need a physics engine that supports ConvexHulls with per-triangle friciton/restitution so i can have like ice patch inside of the same physics mesh
22:11:41	JeffMB	bullet/physx seem to only have that in a triangle mesh
22:12:10	JeffMB	convex hulls are faster to compute, and work good with BSP geometry
22:12:55	JeffMB	+ Torque has a proprietary format for BSP called DIF [deprecated though] that does hidden face/surface removal on the object to optmize it
22:12:56	raptor	we create convex hulls for robot navigation using the RecastNavigation library
22:13:31	JeffMB	heh recast :D
22:14:14	JeffMB	I'm not sure how they handled per-triangle friction like ice patch to normal to grass on same collision mesh though in their custom thing :/
22:14:18	JeffMB	and they use convex hulls
22:14:38	thread_	Hey raptor, not to derail your conversation, but I just wanted to double check: Pleiades doesn't hold onto bot code, right?
22:14:57	raptor	hi thread_, no it does not... but i think it probably should
22:15:14	raptor	in fact, we should have a more maleable way to handle levelgens/bots in levels
22:15:33	thread_	so, in the meantime, I should put the bot code on mediafire or something?
22:15:43	raptor	i'd put it on the forums
22:15:48	raptor	i think there is a robots section
22:18:26	thread_	WE HAVE A ROBOTS SECTION?
22:18:31	raptor	yes!
22:19:08	thread_	Well color me a non-racist color
22:23:32	thread_	oh, well that is in the development area. Is that ok for me to post my personal code there?
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22:24:13	thread_	dangit. Scared him off
22:24:51	fordcars	thread_: I have in the past :/
22:24:57	fordcars	I think it's fine :P
22:24:59	thread_	ah
22:25:07	fordcars	"Bot specific discussion. Have some code you want to share? Post it here."
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22:31:57	raptor	BACK
22:32:21	raptor	sorry, network issues
22:32:50	raptor	thread_: oh yeah, post to the bots forum
22:33:12	raptor	The development forum is for things just like that
22:36:48	raptor	thread_: did you need me to take any specific action on your bot?
22:37:10	thread_	specific action?
22:38:41	thread_	like what?
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22:44:10	raptor	argh... ok, wireless should be stable now...
22:46:37	thread_	"should"
22:47:42	thread_	so, what did you mean by taking specific action on the bot?
22:53:19	fordcars	Hah, raptor just won't answer will he :P
22:59:33	thread_	Nah. He secretly has it in for me
23:01:03	thread_	Anyway, bot code is posted. http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2551&p=25203#p25203
23:01:21	thread_	Maybe someone wants to take a bit of time to try it out? I haven't tested multiplayer
23:18:21	fordcars	Sure!
23:22:05	thread_	I think im hosting... hopefully my network settings make it visible
23:22:42	fordcars	It has a password :(
23:25:07	thread_	k, that should be fixed
23:40:09	thread_	that was a stupid bug
23:40:34	thread_	think I got it now.
23:40:50	fordcars	Alrightyy