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| 00:10:51 | raptor | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkivPFtLOj4 |
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| 00:19:29 | Nothing_Much | Moon landing? o.o |
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| 12:20:32 | raptor | good day! |
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| 13:05:21 | watusimoto | hello |
| 13:05:36 | watusimoto | I got a sherrif's badge today! |
| 13:05:49 | raptor | hi |
| 13:05:53 | raptor | you've been deputized? |
| 13:06:08 | watusimoto | apparently so! |
| 13:06:33 | watusimoto | http://i.imgur.com/QZkPO1A.png |
| 13:06:42 | LoneWolfy | The next best crime-fighter |
| 13:06:50 | raptor | oh, haha |
| 13:06:53 | raptor | ... in IRC |
| 13:07:04 | watusimoto | up there with sherrif raptor and sonic sam |
| 13:07:09 | raptor | i thought you had done volunteer work with the city police or something.. |
| 13:07:17 | watusimoto | ha, no |
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| 13:07:50 | watusimoto | We do have a volunteer emergency response team in town, I'd like to try that |
| 13:08:01 | watusimoto | learn earthquake rescue, that sort of thing |
| 13:08:46 | raptor | once I go full-time at the university, i was thinking of joining the HAM radio club - they do a lot of that |
| 13:09:52 | watusimoto | HAM is a hobby that should appeal to me, but doesn't |
| 13:10:42 | raptor | they actually do emergency plans to set up local communication nets around the valley should normal communications fails |
| 13:10:56 | raptor | HAM is right on the line of appeal for me... |
| 13:11:26 | watusimoto | may |
| 13:11:34 | watusimoto | maybe software radio |
| 13:12:52 | raptor | ^^ yes. i think that has more appeal to me... signal analysis and things along those lines |
| 13:14:51 | watusimoto | I figured out the problelm with gofasts |
| 13:15:13 | watusimoto | after just 2 hours in the debugger |
| 13:15:24 | watusimoto | and I don't yet know how to fix it |
| 13:15:51 | sam686 | my client just uses what look like a king symbol http://sam6.25u.com/upload/kvirc_bf.png |
| 13:16:19 | watusimoto | sherrif AND a king! |
| 13:16:27 | watusimoto | this is going to be a great day! |
| 13:17:47 | raptor | so i have an off-topic question - say you received Complete National Geographic set as a Christmas gift... and it uses the Adobe AIR runtime as a viewer... which will not run on your Linux-only home computers. You have the knowledge and know-how to write your own viewer; what technology would you use? |
| 13:19:05 | sam686 | is it DVDs or what? |
| 13:19:38 | raptor | Yep... I expect to rip the DVDs... but the data medium isn't the problem |
| 13:19:55 | sam686 | you could always make your windows xp virtual machine read disks as one way.. |
| 13:19:57 | raptor | oh, it also uses sqlite for its internal search engine |
| 13:20:23 | raptor | ok, let me phrase this another way: Adobe AIR must die because it burns your CPU into dust |
| 13:20:33 | raptor | even when on windows or OSX |
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| 13:21:15 | raptor | I've already explored several workarounds, to running the AIR binary... and even got it running on Linux |
| 13:21:47 | raptor | but I want it gone |
| 13:22:24 | raptor | i don't want the temperature in the room to raise 10 degrees when I attempt to show my kids some pictures |
| 13:23:59 | sam686 | if running inside virtual machine, try limiting the number of cores and limit extcution cap to maybe like 5% (virtualbox can limit execution cap) |
| 13:24:48 | raptor | like i said... i've explored workarounds. A VM will not work because limiting the CPU in any ways makes the application unresponsive. yes, it is that CPU intensive. The only way forward is to write my own viewer |
| 13:25:32 | raptor | also, our house has several computers and i'd like to load the data from a NAS, instead of having a VM on each computer wasting space |
| 13:25:53 | raptor | so... what technology would you use to do write a new viewer? |
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| 13:27:47 | sam686 | C/C++ is fast and little RAM usage |
| 13:28:51 | raptor | what about for a UI framework to display photos and to search queries against an sqlite database? |
| 13:29:06 | sam686 | i think C and C++ have the littlest RAM usage (if you don't count the CPU assembly language) |
| 13:29:49 | raptor | I'm not too worried about RAM... I'm mostly wanting something to run on Linux (and maybe be cross-platform) and be fast and not eat up the CPU |
| 13:30:11 | sam686 | you could use SDL + opengl with it.. |
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| 13:31:04 | raptor | i've thought of that option.. especially since i'm familiar with it from bitfighter :) |
| 13:31:39 | raptor | any other options that make developing UI code extremely easy? I've also considered Java, but I dislike the UI code for it |
| 13:31:55 | raptor | but it would be instantly cross platform with little work |
| 13:34:11 | sam686 | i remembered that you kindof hated java about the RAM usage when you had, i think, a old java irc logbot back then... |
| 13:34:24 | raptor | haha, true |
| 13:35:19 | sam686 | if you stick to SDL + opengl, then it can usually be cross platform with some work.. |
| 13:36:25 | raptor | I wonder if I should expand my knowledge and attempt to use QT |
| 13:37:42 | sam686 | or... you could write php code that views data into web browser.. |
| 13:38:43 | sam686 | the advantage of viewing into web browser is, of course, can be viewes over the network/internet.. |
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| 17:12:03 | watusimoto | raptor: for your adobe project, I would consider doing it in java -- lots of prerolled libs that might help with content display and ui |
| 17:12:26 | watusimoto | or possibly even python |
| 17:12:31 | watusimoto | for the same reason |
| 17:13:15 | raptor | yeah... java... I am definitely comfortable with Java, but not so familiar with standalone UI stuff |
| 17:13:29 | raptor | oh... python-qt might be intersting... |
| 17:13:34 | raptor | *interesting |
| 17:14:29 | watusimoto | if you're going to learn a new ui system anyway (which you are), go with java to keep the learning curve down |
| 17:14:44 | watusimoto | and you don't need to deal with whitespace :-) |
| 17:15:18 | watusimoto | assuming your goal is to get the thing working, not to learn specific new techs along the way |
| 17:15:34 | watusimoto | have you searched for someone else having already writtne this? |
| 17:15:36 | raptor | yes but python means i don't need to deal with semi-colons! |
| 17:16:00 | watusimoto | dam;n those sem;icolo;ns... alw;ays mess;ing; my work; u;p!; |
| 17:16:06 | raptor | yes i have... I found only an android apk that was taken down from Google Play by a DMCA complaint from National Geographic |
| 17:16:31 | watusimoto | can you figure out who wrote it? you could probably get a private copy |
| 17:16:42 | watusimoto | oh, android |
| 17:16:45 | raptor | I downloaded it and decompiled it, and was mostly android UI stuff.. real basic and barely anythong but a JPEG viewer |
| 17:16:55 | raptor | *anything |
| 17:16:58 | watusimoto | well, that's what you need, right? |
| 17:17:05 | watusimoto | a jpeg viewer/navigator? |
| 17:17:15 | raptor | it uses the androids libraries |
| 17:17:20 | watusimoto | probably with some text stuff? |
| 17:17:29 | watusimoto | right, but it sounds like a pretty basic app |
| 17:17:47 | raptor | yeah.. hmmm... maybe googley ui toolkit |
| 17:18:35 | watusimoto | do you want to display text, or just jpegs? |
| 17:19:18 | watusimoto | if just images, you could extract those and load them into a photo organizer like PhotoshopElements or whatever you would usually use |
| 17:19:55 | watusimoto | (I've never seen the source material, so I don't know what you've got to work with) |
| 17:28:59 | raptor | I have: XOR'd jpeg code (so i'll have to decrypt it.. trivial). All the jpegs have the text in them, but there is also an sqlite database with all the raw text in it. This is so there can be a search interface. The sqlite database also has tables of contents and internal links to other docs, etc. |
| 17:29:47 | raptor | the Adobe AIR application puts all of that into a nice shiny application with bells and whistles, that melts silicon |
| 17:30:36 | raptor | Ideally, I'll want to right the viewer, but also a search box for the text, as well as handling the indices from the sqlite database |
| 17:30:41 | raptor | *write |
| 17:30:50 | raptor | man, i can't spell worth beans, today |
| 17:31:18 | watusimoto | You just want something that is easy to create a UI in |
| 17:31:29 | watusimoto | what you really want is VB6, but that won't run on linux |
| 17:31:37 | raptor | relatively, easy, yes |
| 17:31:41 | raptor | it runs with WINE! |
| 17:31:53 | watusimoto | well, that is really easy to create a simple UI |
| 17:31:59 | raptor | you know... even a simple win32 app under WINE would great! |
| 17:32:06 | watusimoto | there may be modern equivalents |
| 17:32:24 | raptor | VB 6? isn't that... windows 98 stuff? |
| 17:32:27 | watusimoto | but in vb6, you create a form with a visual editor, then hook up code to the event handlers |
| 17:32:41 | watusimoto | yeah, probably |
| 17:33:04 | watusimoto | it just so happens someone plunked down a 1200 page "Mastering VB6" book on my desk today |
| 17:33:35 | watusimoto | but perhaps you could do the same in c#, or perhaps there is an easy java forms editor |
| 17:33:44 | watusimoto | that would work in the same way |
| 17:34:04 | raptor | oh man... that's... nuts |
| 17:34:16 | raptor | you've really taken over a Visual Basic project?? |
| 17:34:29 | raptor | it must be too large to rewrite |
| 17:34:56 | watusimoto | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/113206/create-a-small-window-form-application-that-runs-anywhere |
| 17:34:58 | raptor | ah ha... py-qt |
| 17:35:05 | watusimoto | yes, not sure about a rewrite yet |
| 17:35:12 | watusimoto | not enough budget, probably |
| 17:36:46 | watusimoto | or do it all in javascript, run in browser! |
| 17:37:07 | raptor | it'll need back-end processing... which means php |
| 17:37:10 | raptor | or something akin |
| 17:38:07 | watusimoto | ruby! |
| 17:38:36 | raptor | if ruby... why not python? |
| 17:38:54 | raptor | both will require special server set-up |
| 17:39:23 | raptor | i tried learning ruby once |
| 17:39:45 | raptor | but at the time it was very 'hip'... so I mistrusted its stability and availability |
| 17:55:46 | watusimoto | I thought you hated ruby; that was the only reason I suggested it. I thought of it because you mentioned php, which is just as wrong as my suggestion of js |
| 17:56:04 | raptor | haha |
| 17:56:24 | raptor | i don't really have feelings of disgust for ruby since i've not really used it much... but php... ugh |
| 17:56:42 | raptor | you had to do ruby at one recent job, didn't you? |
| 18:02:42 | raptor | i do have a strong aversion to perl |
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| 18:26:17 | watusimoto | last job did lots in ruby; mostly for rails |
| 18:26:26 | watusimoto | it's an ugly language |
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| 18:37:49 | watusimoto | I'm starting to hate VB |
| 18:37:55 | watusimoto | to think I used to like it... |
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| 18:54:49 | raptor | I remember, as a teenager, my best friend was getting into programming. He did VB. At the time I thought it was totally uninteresting. Now he does construction and I do JavaEE... |
| 19:19:31 | watusimoto | life is full of surprises! |
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| 19:52:04 | raptor | heading home, later! |
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