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IRC Log for 2015-03-11

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00:27:48 raptor it's the least I could do..
00:27:50 BFLogBot Commit: 864d23e910 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix compiling
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00:27:53 BFLogBot Commit: 0bd33cbc99 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Backport 224606fd45f7 - Remove team-switch ban that occurs when player switches teams in 2-player game, then other player quits... first player should be able to switch teams again, immediately.
00:27:54 BFLogBot Commit: 3754fff27d | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Merge 019 branch to 020
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01:19:32 raptor watusimoto: here is a diff with kaen's shader code:  http://sam6.25u.com/upload/shaders_kaen.diff
01:19:53 raptor i haven't figured it all out yet, but I know it does two things:
01:20:02 raptor 1.  modify the ships color based on mouse movement
01:20:30 raptor 2.  change the phasers into some other spiffy graphic
01:21:52 raptor that diff works against 020 head revision
01:21:59 raptor and with that, good night!
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14:01:32 raptor good day!
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14:03:15 watusimoto hey yo
14:03:49 koda !day good
14:05:39 raptor hi
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20:48:50 watusimoto boy... today went fast
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22:45:17 Watusimoto hello
22:45:23 raptor hullo
22:45:32 Watusimoto man, today just flew by
22:45:48 raptor yes, i agree
22:45:56 raptor i think it has something to do with DST
22:46:05 raptor i'm still recovering...
22:46:33 Watusimoto I love that its still light when I come home from work
22:47:00 raptor me too
22:47:29 Watusimoto it makes a big difference when you cycle
22:47:47 raptor i liked it in arizona where it was always light, with no DST
22:48:08 Watusimoto yeah, that would be nice
22:48:28 Watusimoto they're further south, so it probably works better than in the north
22:53:50 raptor yep, and the price was hades in the summer
22:56:25 raptor i'm starting to tinker with kaen's shader stuff.  I posted a patch here in IRC last night if you wanted to, as well
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23:09:19 fordcars Hi
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23:10:38 fordcars Hey raptor, why, in Bitfighter, do you always use getters and setters, and keep the members private?
23:10:53 raptor because of java
23:12:49 fordcars Ok :)
23:14:31 raptor fordcars: direct member access is faster and simpler, but with a getter, it lets us control access to it from everywhere
23:14:49 raptor in case we may want to do some soft of validation or lazy loading or other checking
23:14:55 raptor *sort, not soft
23:15:00 fordcars So you can do stuff when changing values?
23:15:11 raptor yes
23:15:15 fordcars Oh ok cool
23:15:27 fordcars I am trying to be more 'modular'
23:15:32 Watusimoto also, fordcars, getters/setters are more "pure"
23:15:41 fordcars Oooo, fancy
23:15:42 Watusimoto i.e. what a class does is its own business..
23:16:01 Watusimoto the getters/setters are part of the interface it exposes to the world
23:16:20 Watusimoto you shouldn't be mukcing about with an object's internal state except via its interface
23:16:32 Watusimoto that's my thinking, anyway
23:16:46 Watusimoto but then in languages like Python... everything is hanging out there
23:17:01 Watusimoto where you can poke away, damn the consequences
23:17:20 raptor yay python!
23:17:35 Watusimoto raptor: I do want to play with the shaders, after this @#$%^ lockteams crapola is done
23:18:09 Watusimoto I got the patch you posted of kaen's work -- is that what you were referring to?
23:19:43 fordcars I've been learning a lot about interfaces lately, in javascript, yikes!
23:19:46 raptor yes
23:20:06 raptor fordcars: RUN FOR YOUR LIFE
23:20:22 fordcars requireJs is really cool!
23:20:31 fordcars But still not classy things
23:20:42 raptor interfaces:  The perfect way to guarantee every developer will trigger a ClassNotFoundException
23:21:16 raptor ...  at runtime
23:21:29 fordcars Haha
23:22:08 fordcars requirejs is pretty much a library to load 'classes'in javascript
23:22:13 fordcars Or, #include
23:23:37 Watusimoto Chuck Norris does not need to know about class factory pattern. He can instantiate interfaces.
23:24:09 fordcars Funny, that is pretty much requirejs
23:24:45 Watusimoto Chuck Norris can write javascript that doesn't suck.
23:26:38 raptor hahaha
23:26:52 fordcars Hahaha
23:28:07 fordcars I heard some future version of javascript will have real classes, and inheritance and everything
23:28:17 fordcars Dunno if it's only a myth though
23:28:40 raptor that's what happened to php 5.4,  I think
23:28:59 raptor but python has it all covered
23:29:55 Watusimoto it's called Dart
23:30:01 Watusimoto anyway... gotta run
23:30:03 Watusimoto back laterz
23:30:09 raptor later
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00:27:48	raptor	it's the least I could do..
00:27:50		BFLogBot Commit: 864d23e910 \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: Fix compiling
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00:27:53		BFLogBot Commit: 0bd33cbc99 \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Message: Backport 224606fd45f7 - Remove team-switch ban that occurs when player switches teams in 2-player game, then other player quits... first player should be able to switch teams again, immediately.
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01:19:32	raptor	watusimoto: here is a diff with kaen's shader code: http://sam6.25u.com/upload/shaders_kaen.diff
01:19:53	raptor	i haven't figured it all out yet, but I know it does two things:
01:20:02	raptor	1. modify the ships color based on mouse movement
01:20:30	raptor	2. change the phasers into some other spiffy graphic
01:21:52	raptor	that diff works against 020 head revision
01:21:59	raptor	and with that, good night!
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14:01:32	raptor	good day!
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14:03:15	watusimoto	hey yo
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20:48:50	watusimoto	boy... today went fast
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22:45:17	Watusimoto	hello
22:45:23	raptor	hullo
22:45:32	Watusimoto	man, today just flew by
22:45:48	raptor	yes, i agree
22:45:56	raptor	i think it has something to do with DST
22:46:05	raptor	i'm still recovering...
22:46:33	Watusimoto	I love that its still light when I come home from work
22:47:00	raptor	me too
22:47:29	Watusimoto	it makes a big difference when you cycle
22:47:47	raptor	i liked it in arizona where it was always light, with no DST
22:48:08	Watusimoto	yeah, that would be nice
22:48:28	Watusimoto	they're further south, so it probably works better than in the north
22:53:50	raptor	yep, and the price was hades in the summer
22:56:25	raptor	i'm starting to tinker with kaen's shader stuff. I posted a patch here in IRC last night if you wanted to, as well
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23:09:19	fordcars	Hi
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23:10:38	fordcars	Hey raptor, why, in Bitfighter, do you always use getters and setters, and keep the members private?
23:10:53	raptor	because of java
23:12:49	fordcars	Ok :)
23:14:31	raptor	fordcars: direct member access is faster and simpler, but with a getter, it lets us control access to it from everywhere
23:14:49	raptor	in case we may want to do some soft of validation or lazy loading or other checking
23:14:55	raptor	*sort, not soft
23:15:00	fordcars	So you can do stuff when changing values?
23:15:11	raptor	yes
23:15:15	fordcars	Oh ok cool
23:15:27	fordcars	I am trying to be more 'modular'
23:15:32	Watusimoto	also, fordcars, getters/setters are more "pure"
23:15:41	fordcars	Oooo, fancy
23:15:42	Watusimoto	i.e. what a class does is its own business..
23:16:01	Watusimoto	the getters/setters are part of the interface it exposes to the world
23:16:20	Watusimoto	you shouldn't be mukcing about with an object's internal state except via its interface
23:16:32	Watusimoto	that's my thinking, anyway
23:16:46	Watusimoto	but then in languages like Python... everything is hanging out there
23:17:01	Watusimoto	where you can poke away, damn the consequences
23:17:20	raptor	yay python!
23:17:35	Watusimoto	raptor: I do want to play with the shaders, after this @#$%^ lockteams crapola is done
23:18:09	Watusimoto	I got the patch you posted of kaen's work -- is that what you were referring to?
23:19:43	fordcars	I've been learning a lot about interfaces lately, in javascript, yikes!
23:19:46	raptor	yes
23:20:06	raptor	fordcars: RUN FOR YOUR LIFE
23:20:22	fordcars	requireJs is really cool!
23:20:31	fordcars	But still not classy things
23:20:42	raptor	interfaces: The perfect way to guarantee every developer will trigger a ClassNotFoundException
23:21:16	raptor	... at runtime
23:21:29	fordcars	Haha
23:22:08	fordcars	requirejs is pretty much a library to load 'classes'in javascript
23:22:13	fordcars	Or, #include
23:23:37	Watusimoto	Chuck Norris does not need to know about class factory pattern. He can instantiate interfaces.
23:24:09	fordcars	Funny, that is pretty much requirejs
23:24:45	Watusimoto	Chuck Norris can write javascript that doesn't suck.
23:26:38	raptor	hahaha
23:26:52	fordcars	Hahaha
23:28:07	fordcars	I heard some future version of javascript will have real classes, and inheritance and everything
23:28:17	fordcars	Dunno if it's only a myth though
23:28:40	raptor	that's what happened to php 5.4, I think
23:28:59	raptor	but python has it all covered
23:29:55	Watusimoto	it's called Dart
23:30:01	Watusimoto	anyway... gotta run
23:30:03	Watusimoto	back laterz
23:30:09	raptor	later
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