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00:22:59Watusimoto_ has joined
00:23:10Watusimoto_hello
00:23:23raptorTAXES
00:23:37Watusimoto_don't say that... I haven't evenstarted thinking about them
00:23:46raptorjsut got federal filed
00:24:09raptornow, to save $10, i'm going to use the rinky-dink state site
00:24:30Watusimoto_ha
00:24:54Watusimoto_btw, I will be gone from Saturday until the following Friday
00:25:01Watusimoto_probably completely offline
00:25:11Watusimoto_maybe an occasional email check
00:25:12raptorcool :)
00:25:17Watusimoto_going to LA
00:25:18raptorspring vacation?
00:25:25Watusimoto_yes, for the kids
00:25:30Watusimoto_going to visit friends
00:26:35BFLogBot Commit: 474277d0df | Author: watusimoto | Message: Remove unneeded include
00:26:36BFLogBot Commit: ab6603c125 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Move gConsole into GameManager to see if it fixes some test crashes. It doesn't, but it seems nicer there, so we'll keep it.
00:26:38BFLogBot Commit: 1002af28df | Author: watusimoto | Message: Move things around a little; less junk in main.cpp
00:26:39BFLogBot Commit: da88fe202e | Author: watusimoto | Message: Tests broken, but want to get merged
00:26:41BFLogBot Commit: 33f681dc68 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Merge
00:26:42BFLogBot Commit: cc4b9f8686 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Merge
00:26:50raptorooo
00:26:53raptorcommits!
00:26:58Watusimoto_that's all I got for the moment
00:27:02raptorthanks!
00:27:13Watusimoto_am doing a total rebuild; will see about those broken tests
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00:27:36Watusimoto_uh oh... build errors
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00:28:04raptoruh oh
00:28:10Watusimoto_lots
00:28:12raptori'm not really in a position to fix them...
00:29:45Watusimoto_no, I'll do it
00:30:05Watusimoto_they might be mine anyway
00:30:12raptorphoew... merge was simple
00:30:19raptorbuild errors!
00:30:39Watusimoto_ok, looks like one namespace problem was wreaking havoc
00:30:52raptorweird... tnlLog.h missing?
00:31:17BFLogBot Commit: 91fea69869 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Fix namespace issue
00:31:29Watusimoto_haven;t hit that yet
00:32:02raptorbitfighter/tnl/../zap/oglconsole.h:9:20: fatal error: tnlLog.h: No such file or directory
00:33:14Watusimoto_hmmm.... I think that bit has already compiled here
00:33:32Watusimoto_everything builds here
00:34:11raptorok, maybe it's me... starting a recompile
00:34:17Watusimoto_that line is used in tons of places... no reason for it to fail in any one particular spot
00:34:35raptoroh wait - it fails when compiling TNL
00:34:40raptordid you make TNL changes?
00:35:42Watusimoto_no... recently, but before these checkins
00:35:55Watusimoto_these checksins should have 0 tnl changes
00:37:11raptoroh ha
00:37:34raptortnl/log.cpp has been including oglconsole.h - and you made a change to the .h...
00:38:04raptorI can commit this fix...
00:38:36Watusimoto_and that broke your build
00:38:38Watusimoto_?
00:39:06BFLogBot Commit: 11b92e8d27 | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: How did this get in here?
00:39:12raptoryeah - with some weird include loop
00:42:19raptorman, all this talk about gross income is making me hungry
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00:54:41Watusimoto_well, that's just perfect
00:55:02Watusimoto_all that refactor to fix a test object initialization issue... and there was a trivial solution offered by gtest framework
00:58:30raptoroh?
00:59:11Watusimoto_you can create a special function that runs before any tests, and can do any global setup needed
00:59:35Watusimoto_that fixes the test issue I was having last night
01:00:00Watusimoto_so yup... your tests fail for me too
01:00:02Watusimoto_sigh
01:00:10Watusimoto_but at least the tests are generally running now
01:00:19Watusimoto_I'll fix what I can
01:00:49raptoroh cool
01:01:20Watusimoto_quite
01:07:18raptorapparently, my debian package missed the testing-freeze date by a few days - i wonder how long the freeze will be...
01:07:25raptorthat was back in February
01:07:35Watusimoto_totally lame
01:07:45Watusimoto_ha!!!!!!!!
01:08:42BFLogBot Commit: 40ecd1ec6e | Author: watusimoto | Message: Fix global initialization issue when running tests
01:08:44BFLogBot Commit: 77af7141fb | Author: watusimoto | Message: Fix team test
01:08:45BFLogBot Commit: 0479c596ee | Author: watusimoto | Message: Comment
01:08:47BFLogBot Commit: 791ee21c3d | Author: watusimoto | Message: Merge
01:08:53Watusimoto_look at 77af7141fb
01:09:10raptorwhat
01:09:14raptorthat's it?
01:09:31Watusimoto_yes... do you recall our conversation earlier today about why I guessed the tests were failing?
01:09:39Watusimoto_that was it, EXACLTY
01:09:43raptoryes, about having to idle clientgame
01:09:46raptorthat's funny
01:10:05Watusimoto_I've been trying ot make the testing scenarios more "realistic"
01:10:35Watusimoto_that is, instead of changing a players's team on teh server, I'm simulating the player using a chat command or menu to do it themself
01:11:00Watusimoto_since a lot of these methods are used in many places, sometimes there will be unexpected consequences as a I make the changes
01:11:07Watusimoto_I suspect that is what happened here
01:11:24Watusimoto_oringialyy, the test probably changed the team on the server
01:11:32raptorlike idle processing certain function calls
01:11:50Watusimoto_I probably changed it to be something coming from a client, and probably had some idling for other reasons where I was testing at the moment
01:12:16Watusimoto_I usually only run the tests I am working on for speed, so I probably didn;t think to check any other tests using the same method
01:12:29Watusimoto_yes
01:12:46Watusimoto_so that's probably why so many tests are broken
01:14:22Watusimoto_uh... or maybe that's not it at all
01:14:28Watusimoto_hmmm
01:16:18raptorok, state taxes are done. done for the year!
01:16:25raptorunless i get audited
01:17:28Watusimoto_you won't
01:17:40raptori have 3 kids and am probably under paid
01:17:48Watusimoto_do you have a business?
01:18:08raptori hire my 3 year old to put away the dishes...
01:18:15raptor(no business)
01:18:27Watusimoto_do you have a crap-ton of deductions?
01:18:58raptormy itemized ones were higher than standard this year, but they weren't complicated
01:19:40Watusimoto_did you put everything that was documented on paper into your return? (i.e. declare all your reported income)?
01:19:46raptoryep
01:19:52Watusimoto_chance of audit: 0%
01:19:55Watusimoto_you;re done!
01:20:15raptori figure it was low - is having a business, even if small, a big trigger?
01:25:11Watusimoto_if you do take the home-office deduction, it's a really big trigger
01:25:20raptorha
01:25:34Watusimoto_small businesses are really easy to use to dodge taxes
01:25:48Watusimoto_car becomes a business expense
01:26:03Watusimoto_new computer... business expense
01:26:06raptorheh, that ice cream party was a business expense for 'clients'
01:26:07Watusimoto_the lines are really blurry
01:26:19Watusimoto_and people usually err in their own favor
01:27:15Watusimoto_and small businesses often have sloppy accounting
01:27:44Watusimoto_especially if it's like your part time fixing computers or whatever business
01:27:58raptora hobby business
01:28:01Watusimoto_exactly
01:28:08raptoryeah, i can totally see that now
01:28:45Watusimoto_if you don;t have that, and if every paper the irs gets about you matches something on your return... why would they audit you?
01:29:35Watusimoto_my dad was audited 3 times
01:29:38raptoryeah, no reason really
01:29:40raptoroh?
01:29:44Watusimoto_in all three cases, the irs concluded they owed him money
01:29:49raptorwhat was that like?
01:29:57raptorhah
01:30:20Watusimoto_he takes taxes pretty seriously, so he was pretty sure he was ok
01:31:16Watusimoto_but I'd rather have the irs knocking at my door than the taxmen of yore
01:31:37raptorthe one with the sword?
01:31:40Watusimoto_at least I know I won't get a sword down my gullet if I say the wrong thing
01:31:41Watusimoto_yes
01:31:42Watusimoto_that one
01:31:43raptorhaha
01:32:04Watusimoto_in that sense, at leas, we have progressed
01:32:47raptorbitfighter question: what are the GL calls at the bottom of Mortar::render doing?
01:33:00raptorin EngineeredItem.cpp:2600 (or so)
01:39:41Watusimoto_renderPointVector(&mZone, GL_LINE_LOOP); ?
01:40:00raptorwell yes... that whole GL block between the push/pop
01:40:16raptori'm wanting to off-load it into gameobjectrender
01:40:26raptornot sure what it's rendering, though
01:40:32Watusimoto_there's a targeting zone that if you wander into, the mortar will fire
01:40:40Watusimoto_it's a rather complex shape
01:41:10Nothing_Mucharen't tax returns good though?
01:41:11Watusimoto_it attpempts to include areas where the missle can reach, and exclude places it cannot due to turn radius/speed/etc.
01:41:30Watusimoto_Nothing_Much: you wouldn't know... it's totally better in oz
01:41:44Watusimoto_raptor: so that I think is rendering the zone
01:41:52Watusimoto_raptor: mostly for debugging purposes
01:42:00raptorok
01:42:03Watusimoto_so you can delete the whole thing
01:42:10Watusimoto_or, better, comment it out for now
01:42:12raptoroh goodie!
01:42:14raptorsure
01:42:48Watusimoto_in australia, the government calucates your taxes for you, right?
01:43:25Watusimoto_I can't remember... I think they gave me some software that took like 5 minutes to complete
01:43:53raptori just read about Donkey voting
01:43:56Watusimoto_here it's a multi-hour game of follow the difficult to understand instructions
01:44:22Nothing_Muchraptor: isn't the donkey represented by democrats?
01:44:24raptorand that Australia has some form of mandatory voting that creates that type of behavior
01:44:41raptorDemocrats, yes, with a captial 'd'
01:44:52Watusimoto_interesting
01:44:56Nothing_Muchdo we need the capital D?
01:45:04Watusimoto_I think the best protest vote is a blank ballot
01:45:13raptorI read an interesting interview with Gara Kasparov who said he was a democrat with a lower case 'd'
01:45:17Watusimoto_or, better, a vote for a minor party
01:45:38raptorhe was that russian chess champion
01:45:51Watusimoto_democrat = supporting democracy; Democrat = member of the Democratic party
01:45:55Watusimoto_yes
01:46:06raptorI think there's a $55 fine for not voting in Austraila, or something like that
01:46:07Nothing_Muchohhhhhhhhhh
01:46:10raptorbut i don't know
01:46:13Nothing_Muchoh my
01:46:40Watusimoto_obama just proposed mandatory voting here
01:46:46raptorwonderful
01:46:49Watusimoto_it's an idea I totally support
01:46:55raptoryou think?
01:46:55Nothing_Muchis that sarcasm or not?
01:47:05Watusimoto_not sarcastic
01:47:06raptorit was sarcasm -
01:47:11raptorfrom me :)
01:47:12Nothing_Muchit wasn't?
01:47:13Watusimoto_for me
01:47:16Nothing_Mucherhuaudfa
01:47:23Watusimoto_no... I ttotally support mandatory voting
01:47:24Nothing_Muchokay so mandatory voting is a good thing?
01:47:28Watusimoto_I think so
01:47:39raptori can see it now - candidates vieing to be the first (or last) name on the ballot
01:47:51Nothing_Muchi got a weird sort of thing that i get influenced by other smarter people
01:47:52Watusimoto_ballots are usually randomized, evern here
01:48:09Watusimoto_you should be influced by smarter people!
01:48:19raptorhaha
01:48:31raptori'm not that read in the topic, actually
01:48:32Nothing_Muchyeah, but then there's some things that don't make sense to me from programmers who dislike the way Ubuntu is being handled
01:48:33Watusimoto_in oregon, there are many different ballots, with the candidates in different orders
01:48:44raptorbut i'm not sure i'd want 'noise' votes
01:49:14Watusimoto_if people are picking randomly, it will balance out statistcally
01:49:27raptori suppose that's true
01:49:35Watusimoto_I do think you should be allowed to submit a blank ballot
01:49:36Nothing_Muchvote for team Internet!
01:49:37raptorbut then why be mandatory?
01:49:43raptorah ok
01:49:50Watusimoto_I think people don't vote for the "wrong" reaons
01:49:53raptori'd be ok with the blank ballot
01:50:20Watusimoto_they;re like "man, I'm like so totally gonna like protest and so I'm not like voting"
01:50:27Watusimoto_they're really just lazy
01:50:35raptorlaziness is a poor reason
01:50:45Nothing_Muchraptor: it's the reason in the USA
01:50:47Watusimoto_if you want to protest; fine, but at least get off your butt to do it
01:50:50Nothing_Muchwhy not everybody votes
01:51:09Watusimoto_the fines for not voting should be modest
01:51:13Nothing_Muchstuck on their smartphones and dumb mobile games when working and not voting
01:51:30Watusimoto_most places make voting day a holiday
01:51:44Watusimoto_but I really like vote by mail
01:51:49Watusimoto_it makes voting so much easier
01:51:54Nothing_Muchi think we just vote once every 4 years or something
01:51:58raptori'm still not sure - there seems something contradictory about a mandatory vote in a democracy
01:52:22Watusimoto_think of it as a mandatory civic duty to show up; whether you actually vote or not is up to you
01:52:35Watusimoto_meaning you can enter a blank ballot if you want to not vote
01:52:38Nothing_Muchraptor: just fine people if they don't vote
01:52:46Nothing_Muchsounds reasonable sorta maybe
01:52:50raptoryeah i'd be ok with a blank ballot
01:53:00Watusimoto_because at least you made the effort
01:53:06raptorNothing_Much: i would definitely not be OK with that
01:53:36raptori mean, if you meant 'don't vote' as in enter a blank ballot
01:53:37Nothing_Muchisn't it possible to vote for someone else other than a Democrat or Republican?
01:53:48Watusimoto_that's what I meant
01:53:50raptorin some states, like mine, yes
01:54:07Nothing_MuchI have no idea what goes on in this state
01:54:10Watusimoto_there's 3rd parties on almost every national ballot
01:54:12Nothing_Muchbut it's a pretty bad state
01:54:18Watusimoto_which state?
01:54:35Nothing_MuchFlorida, there's an entire meme called "Florida Man"
01:54:47Watusimoto_oh crap -- I thought you were in Australia
01:54:49raptorNothing_Much: i thought you were in austraila?
01:54:54raptorha
01:54:55Nothing_Muchbasically a bunch of incredibly weird news articles about a Floridian
01:55:03Nothing_Much"the world's worst superhero"
01:55:19Watusimoto_florida is a bit messed up
01:55:24Nothing_Muchyes we are
01:55:29Nothing_Muchwe banned the words
01:55:31Nothing_Muchuh
01:55:32Nothing_Much"climate change
01:55:34Nothing_Much"
01:55:35Watusimoto_well, you'll be underwater in 100 years
01:55:35Nothing_Muchor something
01:55:40Nothing_Muchthank goodness
01:55:42Watusimoto_so we won't have to worry much longer
01:55:49Nothing_MuchWatusimoto_: yeah i agree with that
01:56:00Nothing_Muchbut there's another state that should probably be nuked as well
01:56:25Nothing_Muchthat'd be California, considering what happened at Disney Land
01:56:35Watusimoto_the measels thing?
01:56:41Watusimoto_or something else?
01:56:48raptori must be out of the loop...
01:56:56Nothing_MuchWatusimoto_: yes the measels thing
01:57:01Nothing_Muchanti-vaccinators, man
01:57:07raptorwe had some families bring measles back to Utah
01:57:08Watusimoto_someone had measles and went to disnyland and all the anti-vaxxers got sick
01:57:11Nothing_Muchthey run rampant in California
01:57:19Nothing_Muchyeh
01:57:19Watusimoto_that wasn;t a CA problem
01:57:20Nothing_Muchwell
01:57:24Nothing_Muchnot all anti-vaccinators
01:57:25Watusimoto_the people were from all over
01:57:32Nothing_Muchthere were some children who were too young for vaccinations
01:57:34Nothing_Muchwho got infected
01:57:34Watusimoto_and the infected person was probably from overseas
01:58:08raptorthe only thing i remember about disneyland was I must have been 4 or 5 and my mom made me wear a giant red shirt
01:58:11Watusimoto_because there is no reservoir of measles in the us
01:58:33Watusimoto_Raptor and The Big Red Shirt; a children's book by Beverly Cleary
01:59:03raptorhaha
01:59:04Nothing_Muchanti-vaccinators are a big problem, but then there's also the SJWs who are also rampent in CA
01:59:23raptorSJW?
01:59:34Nothing_Muchsocial justice warrior
01:59:41raptorohhh.... heh
01:59:42Nothing_Muchbasically a bunch of special snowflakes
01:59:48raptorhave you been to CA?
01:59:50Nothing_Muchwho think they're special for all of the wrong reasons
01:59:56Nothing_Muchraptor: yeah, but i don't get out much
02:00:21Nothing_Muchhowever, i think most SJW vids are from CA
02:00:23raptoryay, gameobjectrender had like 400 errors now
02:00:27raptor*has
02:00:38Nothing_Muchis that GLES 2.0 support in the making? o.o
02:00:42Nothing_Muchor something else?
02:00:45Watusimoto_I think CA might be a bit different than you think it would be
02:01:06raptorNothing_Much: yes... I'm preparing for it
02:01:13Nothing_Muchhttps://twitter.com/_floridaman here's the original twitter thing
02:01:16Nothing_Muchfor Florida Man
02:01:19raptorstill a long ways to go, though
02:02:14Nothing_Muchraptor: good luck, men! and if it's possible, would a Click package be towards a lower priority once Ubuntu becomes unified?
02:02:34Watusimoto_I used to listen to the radio show LoveLine (it's a long story)
02:02:47Watusimoto_they had a game called "Florida or Germany"
02:02:47raptorthat Florida Man feed...
02:02:53raptorare all those real?
02:02:57Nothing_Muchyes LOL
02:03:03Watusimoto_they would read some whack story and you had to guess if it happened in Florida or Germany
02:03:13Nothing_Muchone of them was about a guy assaulting his girlfriend with a cheeseburger
02:03:23Watusimoto_they were all stories like that
02:03:41raptorhahaha
02:04:04Nothing_Muchsomeone accidentally shot himself so he had to call the cops after a robbery LOL
02:05:27Watusimoto_they had a theory that all the really weird stuff in this world happenes in Fla or Germany
02:05:53Nothing_Muchyeah
02:06:10Nothing_Muchi think our problem is that we have a mixture of the deep south and.. something else
02:06:15raptormust be a perfect combination of cultures
02:07:14Nothing_Muchperfect misscarriage i'd say, considering what Florida Man does
02:08:20raptorNothing_Much: why did I think you were from Australia?
02:08:45Nothing_Muchraptor: idk, did you hear my voice at all in-game at some points?
02:09:09raptornope, did you have an australian server?
02:09:55Nothing_Muchnope, that's someone else's
02:10:04raptorhuh, ok
02:10:08raptorwell sorry for the mix up
02:10:12Nothing_Muchnp np
02:10:17Nothing_Muchbut that reminds me
02:10:22Nothing_Muchi keep forgetting to fix my server
02:10:32Nothing_Muchalways constantly waiting for new players :(
02:10:40raptorheh, a florida man stole $35 worth of cow tongue from a walmart
02:11:12Nothing_Mucheww
02:11:38Nothing_Muchwell, since this is a SFW channel, i'll keep this thing unheard
02:11:56Nothing_Muchin the twitter, just ctrl+f then "vape" and you might be disgusted
02:12:30raptornot before bed! :)
02:12:34Watusimoto_I saw the vape one
02:12:42Nothing_Muchyeaaaaaah
02:12:46Nothing_Muchraptor: yeah don't look it up
02:12:49raptori'm getting sleepy... good night!
02:13:07Nothing_Muchlater!
02:13:20Nothing_MuchWatusimoto_: curious, have you seen Click packages before?
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02:16:04Watusimoto_no
02:17:21Nothing_Muchbasically new Ubuntu packages that aren't replacing .debs
02:24:22Nothing_Muchi don't know whether to be depressed or angered at this for all the wrong reasons: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Homestead-High-School-Yearbook-with-STEVE-JOBS-Senior-Picture-Apple-Compute-/141600893033?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20f8122869&rmvSB=true
02:28:32Watusimoto_why do you even care?
02:31:29Nothing_Muchmostly depressing that people will buy that because they thought that Steve Jobs innovated everything
02:32:53Nothing_Muchthat and putting a price on a human being, when someone should be remembered for who they are and not what they ripped off if that was the case, with steve jobs it is though
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12:44:59Nothing_Muchdoes anybody have an AMD card?
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13:20:47watusimotogood morning
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13:25:09raptorgood morning!
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13:33:14watusimotoI fixed several of the test bugs last night
13:33:39watusimotoone was an actual code bug that I introduced a while back, the rest were really bugs in the tests
13:33:54watusimotoor, more likely, underlying code changed, but tests didn't follow
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21:57:37raptorcontinue the breakage!
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