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IRC Log for 2015-04-07

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12:09:04 raptor good day!
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13:15:37 watusimoto howdy howdy
13:16:37 watusimoto I wrote up some documentation about the /lockteams feature, and realized there was a circumstance I hadn't tested; while writing yet more tests to cover that, I found a rather significant bug that was covered only incidently in that last round of tests
13:16:41 watusimoto blech
13:50:26 raptor today i was fired!
13:51:02 raptor I was going to leave a week from friday anyways...  but they've generously decided to sever me
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15:28:00 watusimoto they fired you?????
15:28:05 raptor it's great!
15:28:10 watusimoto why on earth??
15:28:20 raptor i'm sticking around until my account is deactivated later today
15:28:26 watusimoto they knew you were leaving, so... why?
15:28:35 raptor restructuring since the merger in November
15:28:39 raptor finally happening today
15:28:46 raptor because they were generous
15:28:52 watusimoto I'd expect they'd just let you fall off the list
15:29:00 raptor and it probably let the middle managers keep another guy whose place I took
15:29:07 watusimoto so... two weeks pay?
15:29:32 watusimoto if so, it seems they just gave you 2 weeks vacation
15:29:33 raptor untill next paycheck (15 Apr.) + 1 week * 7 years of service
15:29:46 raptor so i got a severance package
15:29:55 watusimoto ah, so if you had just quit, you'd get nada
15:30:09 raptor yes - so it has worked out much, much better, if a bit abrupt
15:30:16 watusimoto absolutely
15:30:26 watusimoto so they were being generous
15:30:30 watusimoto well...  great!
15:30:36 watusimoto congratulations!
15:31:22 watusimoto before leaving Luxembourg, both places I quit previuosly gave everyone raises just after I left
15:31:35 watusimoto kind of the opposite of your situation
15:32:38 raptor that's...  yeah, the opposite
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16:42:21 watusimoto "You can't quit!  You're fired!!!"
16:42:30 raptor ha!
16:42:32 watusimoto but ina good way
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17:15:48 JeffMB raptor: have you ever looked at Angel Script?
17:16:14 JeffMB im liking its speed in native calls
17:16:26 JeffMB from some benchmark, it was smoking luajit
17:16:37 JeffMB which i know that lua sucks at going from lua -> native
17:17:21 raptor Hi, sorry I'm off-and-on a lot
17:17:31 JeffMB oh its fine, same here :P
17:17:35 raptor I highly doubt there's anything that beats luajit, but i haven't seen that...
17:18:24 JeffMB well, the benchmark was in Urho 3D. where they support both luajit and angel script. they did 2000 sprites updating per frame with native calls from the scripting language. angel script got 3.5mspf and luaJit got 8.3mspf
17:18:57 JeffMB and regular lua got 11.5mspf
17:20:51 raptor that's hardly lua processing, though - lua would need to make C api calls to do the graphics rendering and by that time it isn't JIT code anymore
17:22:36 JeffMB right
17:22:40 JeffMB which is why i mentioned: [17:16] <JeffMB> im liking its speed in native calls
17:22:43 JeffMB ;)
17:23:04 JeffMB i have no doubt luaJIT surpasses speed when it says inside of lua
17:25:06 watusimoto I think the trick is to try to reduce api calls -- if you have a lot of small calls, push the functionality out to lua, and stay in one environment as much as possible
17:25:56 watusimoto but the reall question to me is what is it about anglescript that makes it perform?  faster api to c++?  faster calculation performance?
17:26:00 raptor ah yes, you did say native calls
17:26:08 raptor i bet it's the faster api
17:26:11 raptor maybe...
17:26:28 watusimoto it could be; though I don't know why the lua api would be particularly slow
17:26:44 watusimoto replace "would be" with "is"
17:39:58 watusimoto looks like the AS interface to C++ is more direct... i.e. can directly call and access C++ code/objects
17:40:57 raptor no stack to have fun with!
17:50:08 JeffMB yep no callstack like lua
17:50:47 JeffMB that damn push/pop off the stack gets me. from looking at the docs so far from AS, seems neater and more c++ oriented
17:52:15 raptor i don't doubt it
17:52:32 raptor the Lua stack is a fun journey for anyone wanting to use it...
18:05:45 watusimoto I could live without the stack, that's for sure... though in BF we created some tools to make it easier
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19:33:26 raptor FYI, I'm going to be computer-less for a little while
19:33:40 raptor maybe a week, maybe more or less
19:33:48 raptor since i'm turning in my laptop at work
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19:58:21 raptor farewell!
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13:15:37	watusimoto	howdy howdy
13:16:37	watusimoto	I wrote up some documentation about the /lockteams feature, and realized there was a circumstance I hadn't tested; while writing yet more tests to cover that, I found a rather significant bug that was covered only incidently in that last round of tests
13:16:41	watusimoto	blech
13:50:26	raptor	today i was fired!
13:51:02	raptor	I was going to leave a week from friday anyways... but they've generously decided to sever me
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15:28:00	watusimoto	they fired you?????
15:28:05	raptor	it's great!
15:28:10	watusimoto	why on earth??
15:28:20	raptor	i'm sticking around until my account is deactivated later today
15:28:26	watusimoto	they knew you were leaving, so... why?
15:28:35	raptor	restructuring since the merger in November
15:28:39	raptor	finally happening today
15:28:46	raptor	because they were generous
15:28:52	watusimoto	I'd expect they'd just let you fall off the list
15:29:00	raptor	and it probably let the middle managers keep another guy whose place I took
15:29:07	watusimoto	so... two weeks pay?
15:29:32	watusimoto	if so, it seems they just gave you 2 weeks vacation
15:29:33	raptor	untill next paycheck (15 Apr.) + 1 week * 7 years of service
15:29:46	raptor	so i got a severance package
15:29:55	watusimoto	ah, so if you had just quit, you'd get nada
15:30:09	raptor	yes - so it has worked out much, much better, if a bit abrupt
15:30:16	watusimoto	absolutely
15:30:26	watusimoto	so they were being generous
15:30:30	watusimoto	well... great!
15:30:36	watusimoto	congratulations!
15:31:22	watusimoto	before leaving Luxembourg, both places I quit previuosly gave everyone raises just after I left
15:31:35	watusimoto	kind of the opposite of your situation
15:32:38	raptor	that's... yeah, the opposite
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16:42:21	watusimoto	"You can't quit! You're fired!!!"
16:42:30	raptor	ha!
16:42:32	watusimoto	but ina good way
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17:15:48	JeffMB	raptor: have you ever looked at Angel Script?
17:16:14	JeffMB	im liking its speed in native calls
17:16:26	JeffMB	from some benchmark, it was smoking luajit
17:16:37	JeffMB	which i know that lua sucks at going from lua -> native
17:17:21	raptor	Hi, sorry I'm off-and-on a lot
17:17:31	JeffMB	oh its fine, same here :P
17:17:35	raptor	I highly doubt there's anything that beats luajit, but i haven't seen that...
17:18:24	JeffMB	well, the benchmark was in Urho 3D. where they support both luajit and angel script. they did 2000 sprites updating per frame with native calls from the scripting language. angel script got 3.5mspf and luaJit got 8.3mspf
17:18:57	JeffMB	and regular lua got 11.5mspf
17:20:51	raptor	that's hardly lua processing, though - lua would need to make C api calls to do the graphics rendering and by that time it isn't JIT code anymore
17:22:36	JeffMB	right
17:22:40	JeffMB	which is why i mentioned: [17:16] <JeffMB> im liking its speed in native calls
17:22:43	JeffMB	;)
17:23:04	JeffMB	i have no doubt luaJIT surpasses speed when it says inside of lua
17:25:06	watusimoto	I think the trick is to try to reduce api calls -- if you have a lot of small calls, push the functionality out to lua, and stay in one environment as much as possible
17:25:56	watusimoto	but the reall question to me is what is it about anglescript that makes it perform? faster api to c++? faster calculation performance?
17:26:00	raptor	ah yes, you did say native calls
17:26:08	raptor	i bet it's the faster api
17:26:11	raptor	maybe...
17:26:28	watusimoto	it could be; though I don't know why the lua api would be particularly slow
17:26:44	watusimoto	replace "would be" with "is"
17:39:58	watusimoto	looks like the AS interface to C++ is more direct... i.e. can directly call and access C++ code/objects
17:40:57	raptor	no stack to have fun with!
17:50:08	JeffMB	yep no callstack like lua
17:50:47	JeffMB	that damn push/pop off the stack gets me. from looking at the docs so far from AS, seems neater and more c++ oriented
17:52:15	raptor	i don't doubt it
17:52:32	raptor	the Lua stack is a fun journey for anyone wanting to use it...
18:05:45	watusimoto	I could live without the stack, that's for sure... though in BF we created some tools to make it easier
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19:33:26	raptor	FYI, I'm going to be computer-less for a little while
19:33:40	raptor	maybe a week, maybe more or less
19:33:48	raptor	since i'm turning in my laptop at work
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19:58:21	raptor	farewell!
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