#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2015-08-03

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15:39:33 raptor good day!
15:46:05 watusimoto hi!
15:57:20 raptor hi
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16:06:09 raptor i'm soryr for being off-and-on so much
16:06:51 raptor i had a question regarding teleporter cooldown/delay - several players have made the case in the forums that it should be promoted to a feature in the editor (with an attribute menu and everything)
16:07:03 raptor what do you think?
16:08:18 raptor if so...  at the moment it is saved as a second-value in the game file:  Delay=1.5
16:08:35 raptor maybe it should be millisecond
16:08:45 raptor because then we could use a countermenuitem in the editor
16:30:51 watusimoto so the cooldown delay is basically the time it takes to make a teleporter usable by a following ship, right?
16:30:58 raptor yes
16:31:01 raptor default is 1500ms
16:31:12 raptor since the beginning of time
16:31:26 watusimoto I've never been a fan of a variable delay.  Do you think it's useful?
16:31:36 raptor then someone added the hidden delay feature (sam686?) around 017/8 or so
16:31:57 raptor I've seen it put to a lot of decent uses
16:32:22 watusimoto I think if we're going to expose it, we need to add some sort of indicator that the teleporter has the variable delay
16:32:30 raptor like for creating one-time use teleporters in arena maps designed to only allow a certain number of spawns
16:32:38 watusimoto perhaps a countdown timer or something
16:32:38 raptor ah, good point
16:33:09 watusimoto the arena map use case seems a special one, perhaps that could be better hanlded more directly
16:33:28 raptor let me get you the forum topic
16:34:06 watusimoto for an indicator, perhaps a circular progress bar around the edge might work
16:34:15 raptor fpimd ot"  :http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2659
16:34:20 raptor oops 'found it'
16:35:03 raptor that is a good idea
16:36:47 watusimoto hmmm.... well, I guess we could promote it
16:37:05 raptor the minumum time is already set to 100ms in the cdoe
16:37:07 raptor *code
16:37:32 watusimoto I would leave the minimum as it is; I see no value in increasing it
16:37:41 raptor i agree
16:38:11 watusimoto as for changing the way the value is expressed... I guess we could use your levelcode verison numbering scheme to change it
16:38:44 watusimoto but we don't use milliseconds very much in the level files
16:39:01 raptor true, but we don't have a menucounteritem that does floats
16:39:13 raptor or one that goes to milliseconds
16:39:17 watusimoto and I don't really see much reason to get that precise... ah yes, but there's that
16:39:32 raptor although...  maybe i can adjust the one based on min/hours
16:39:43 raptor err sec/min
16:39:46 watusimoto we could create one that simply diides a value by 10 to get tenths of a second, which should be enough
16:39:58 raptor yes, that too
16:40:06 watusimoto that's probably how I would go
16:40:10 raptor ok
16:40:21 watusimoto that seems a workable resolution, and precise enough
16:40:24 raptor i already started working on the teleporter code, just playing with some things
16:40:31 watusimoto but changing it wouldn't get out of hand
16:40:46 watusimoto when do you want to do github?  I want to make sure I can be at a good stopping point
16:40:48 raptor did we have other levelcode features changing for this release?
16:41:03 raptor some time before 26 Aug
16:41:06 watusimoto I'm about to commit a bug fix that is backportable, but want to test it a bit further tonight
16:41:21 watusimoto no other levelcode changes so far
16:41:32 watusimoto but if we stick with seconds, we don't need to change levelcode
16:41:38 raptor i am pretty much ready to go for it - i have steps to follow for any new commits
16:41:48 raptor yes, ok, i don't mind staying with seconds
16:41:59 watusimoto I think that's easier for everyone
16:42:08 watusimoto we should also add a lua method to change the delay
16:42:13 raptor i've tracked down every one's email except for Flynnn's for the github migration
16:42:24 raptor i think he made a couple of commits for GCI once
16:42:27 watusimoto flynn is gone
16:42:43 raptor into the grid he went
16:42:50 Flynnn @watusimoto: hahahaha
16:42:58 watusimoto went through a teleporter, n...
16:43:00 watusimoto what??
16:43:03 raptor haha
16:43:15 watusimoto is that really flynn, or a clever irc trick?
16:43:20 watusimoto Flynnn:
16:43:27 raptor no that's him - he's been on/off for years now
16:43:32 Flynnn Flynn v0.2 operating at maximum capacity
16:43:34 raptor talks about twice a year i think :)
16:43:44 watusimoto well... here's your chance to ask
16:43:56 Flynnn raptor: I don't even remember what my email was if/when I did commit something
16:44:02 raptor hi Flynnn - we're going to do a github migration soon
16:44:17 raptor any e-mail tied to a github account would work, i think
16:44:19 Flynnn raptor: no need to worry about it, I'll just make a new account on github if I wish to commit something in the future :)
16:44:24 raptor if you're willing to give one :)
16:44:27 Flynnn I don't think I even have a github account
16:44:32 raptor ah ok
16:44:41 Flynnn I suppose, no time like the present to make one. One sec
16:45:08 Flynnn oh, holy cow, I actually *do* have one
16:45:24 raptor i found koda's
16:45:51 raptor watusimoto: who was ryan witmer again?  his took a while to find
16:47:37 watusimoto oooh ryan
16:47:47 watusimoto he was the first dude to do any osx work on the project
16:48:05 raptor i found him in the source code from this:  http://www.averagesoftware.org/
16:48:13 watusimoto that's him
16:49:53 raptor i'm trying to remember if i had any other questions for you while you're on...
16:50:00 Flynnn He didn't, per chance, disappear around 2009?
16:50:01 raptor i know i've sent a battery of e-mails
16:50:02 Flynnn (Ryan)
16:51:19 raptor yeah, i think so - he was gone before me and i joined in fall 2010
16:51:49 raptor ryan's last commit was in June 2010
16:51:59 raptor (i just checked the commit logs)
16:52:57 Flynnn ahh, googling his name returns a whole bunch about murder accusations in 2009-ish
16:53:05 raptor what
16:53:27 Flynnn well, he was found not guilty in 2009-ish
16:56:21 raptor eek
17:00:41 raptor ok, i have to go for a bit
17:00:44 raptor back later!
17:00:48 raptor thanks again Flynnn
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17:38:16 watusimoto I'm pretty sure that was a different RW
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21:49:53 raptor hi again
21:57:18 fordcars Hi
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22:26:33 raptor i got windows 10 installed in a VM!
22:26:37 raptor only took 12 hours!
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15:39:33	raptor	good day!
15:46:05	watusimoto	hi!
15:57:20	raptor	hi
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16:06:09	raptor	i'm soryr for being off-and-on so much
16:06:51	raptor	i had a question regarding teleporter cooldown/delay - several players have made the case in the forums that it should be promoted to a feature in the editor (with an attribute menu and everything)
16:07:03	raptor	what do you think?
16:08:18	raptor	if so... at the moment it is saved as a second-value in the game file: Delay=1.5
16:08:35	raptor	maybe it should be millisecond
16:08:45	raptor	because then we could use a countermenuitem in the editor
16:30:51	watusimoto	so the cooldown delay is basically the time it takes to make a teleporter usable by a following ship, right?
16:30:58	raptor	yes
16:31:01	raptor	default is 1500ms
16:31:12	raptor	since the beginning of time
16:31:26	watusimoto	I've never been a fan of a variable delay. Do you think it's useful?
16:31:36	raptor	then someone added the hidden delay feature (sam686?) around 017/8 or so
16:31:57	raptor	I've seen it put to a lot of decent uses
16:32:22	watusimoto	I think if we're going to expose it, we need to add some sort of indicator that the teleporter has the variable delay
16:32:30	raptor	like for creating one-time use teleporters in arena maps designed to only allow a certain number of spawns
16:32:38	watusimoto	perhaps a countdown timer or something
16:32:38	raptor	ah, good point
16:33:09	watusimoto	the arena map use case seems a special one, perhaps that could be better hanlded more directly
16:33:28	raptor	let me get you the forum topic
16:34:06	watusimoto	for an indicator, perhaps a circular progress bar around the edge might work
16:34:15	raptor	fpimd ot" :http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2659
16:34:20	raptor	oops 'found it'
16:35:03	raptor	that is a good idea
16:36:47	watusimoto	hmmm.... well, I guess we could promote it
16:37:05	raptor	the minumum time is already set to 100ms in the cdoe
16:37:07	raptor	*code
16:37:32	watusimoto	I would leave the minimum as it is; I see no value in increasing it
16:37:41	raptor	i agree
16:38:11	watusimoto	as for changing the way the value is expressed... I guess we could use your levelcode verison numbering scheme to change it
16:38:44	watusimoto	but we don't use milliseconds very much in the level files
16:39:01	raptor	true, but we don't have a menucounteritem that does floats
16:39:13	raptor	or one that goes to milliseconds
16:39:17	watusimoto	and I don't really see much reason to get that precise... ah yes, but there's that
16:39:32	raptor	although... maybe i can adjust the one based on min/hours
16:39:43	raptor	err sec/min
16:39:46	watusimoto	we could create one that simply diides a value by 10 to get tenths of a second, which should be enough
16:39:58	raptor	yes, that too
16:40:06	watusimoto	that's probably how I would go
16:40:10	raptor	ok
16:40:21	watusimoto	that seems a workable resolution, and precise enough
16:40:24	raptor	i already started working on the teleporter code, just playing with some things
16:40:31	watusimoto	but changing it wouldn't get out of hand
16:40:46	watusimoto	when do you want to do github? I want to make sure I can be at a good stopping point
16:40:48	raptor	did we have other levelcode features changing for this release?
16:41:03	raptor	some time before 26 Aug
16:41:06	watusimoto	I'm about to commit a bug fix that is backportable, but want to test it a bit further tonight
16:41:21	watusimoto	no other levelcode changes so far
16:41:32	watusimoto	but if we stick with seconds, we don't need to change levelcode
16:41:38	raptor	i am pretty much ready to go for it - i have steps to follow for any new commits
16:41:48	raptor	yes, ok, i don't mind staying with seconds
16:41:59	watusimoto	I think that's easier for everyone
16:42:08	watusimoto	we should also add a lua method to change the delay
16:42:13	raptor	i've tracked down every one's email except for Flynnn's for the github migration
16:42:24	raptor	i think he made a couple of commits for GCI once
16:42:27	watusimoto	flynn is gone
16:42:43	raptor	into the grid he went
16:42:50	Flynnn	@watusimoto: hahahaha
16:42:58	watusimoto	went through a teleporter, n...
16:43:00	watusimoto	what??
16:43:03	raptor	haha
16:43:15	watusimoto	is that really flynn, or a clever irc trick?
16:43:20	watusimoto	Flynnn:
16:43:27	raptor	no that's him - he's been on/off for years now
16:43:32	Flynnn	Flynn v0.2 operating at maximum capacity
16:43:34	raptor	talks about twice a year i think :)
16:43:44	watusimoto	well... here's your chance to ask
16:43:56	Flynnn	raptor: I don't even remember what my email was if/when I did commit something
16:44:02	raptor	hi Flynnn - we're going to do a github migration soon
16:44:17	raptor	any e-mail tied to a github account would work, i think
16:44:19	Flynnn	raptor: no need to worry about it, I'll just make a new account on github if I wish to commit something in the future :)
16:44:24	raptor	if you're willing to give one :)
16:44:27	Flynnn	I don't think I even have a github account
16:44:32	raptor	ah ok
16:44:41	Flynnn	I suppose, no time like the present to make one. One sec
16:45:08	Flynnn	oh, holy cow, I actually do have one
16:45:24	raptor	i found koda's
16:45:51	raptor	watusimoto: who was ryan witmer again? his took a while to find
16:47:37	watusimoto	oooh ryan
16:47:47	watusimoto	he was the first dude to do any osx work on the project
16:48:05	raptor	i found him in the source code from this: http://www.averagesoftware.org/
16:48:13	watusimoto	that's him
16:49:53	raptor	i'm trying to remember if i had any other questions for you while you're on...
16:50:00	Flynnn	He didn't, per chance, disappear around 2009?
16:50:01	raptor	i know i've sent a battery of e-mails
16:50:02	Flynnn	(Ryan)
16:51:19	raptor	yeah, i think so - he was gone before me and i joined in fall 2010
16:51:49	raptor	ryan's last commit was in June 2010
16:51:59	raptor	(i just checked the commit logs)
16:52:57	Flynnn	ahh, googling his name returns a whole bunch about murder accusations in 2009-ish
16:53:05	raptor	what
16:53:27	Flynnn	well, he was found not guilty in 2009-ish
16:56:21	raptor	eek
17:00:41	raptor	ok, i have to go for a bit
17:00:44	raptor	back later!
17:00:48	raptor	thanks again Flynnn
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17:38:16	watusimoto	I'm pretty sure that was a different RW
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21:49:53	raptor	hi again
21:57:18	fordcars	Hi
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22:26:33	raptor	i got windows 10 installed in a VM!
22:26:37	raptor	only took 12 hours!
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