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| 00:13:41 | DiannaAgron | hi flynn and raptor |
| 00:14:12 | raptor | hi |
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| 00:24:36 | raptor | Watusimoto: I'm sorry, I redid your work and made it more versatile for any Floating value: FloatCounterMenuItem |
| 00:25:31 | raptor | Almost done with it... please forgive |
| 00:26:12 | raptor | But it was a good jumping off point - I was getting a bit lost in the UI code |
| 00:27:43 | raptor | I'm also adding Lua bits |
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| 01:02:20 | raptor | can't compile tests because of c++11 stuff like this: Vector<S32> teamLoadoutZoneCount({ 3,2,0,0,0,1 }); |
| 01:03:12 | raptor | that 'extended initializer list', which is a nice feature to use! just not nice for my compiler at the moment... |
| 01:03:35 | raptor | i figure in about 15 years or so we can move to c++11... |
| 01:27:00 | raptor | Watusimoto: are you working on the same thing? (I hope not) |
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| 01:42:55 | FoOtloOse | RAPTOR |
| 01:43:51 | FoOtloOse | HOW COPYRIGHTED IS BITFIGHTER? |
| 01:44:14 | raptor | hi |
| 01:44:23 | raptor | welcome FoOtloOse! |
| 01:44:30 | raptor | uhhh... it's copylefted |
| 01:45:05 | raptor | which means anyone can do anything with it as long as you attribute it... i think |
| 01:45:09 | FoOtloOse | what |
| 01:45:10 | FoOtloOse | :D |
| 01:45:11 | raptor | how come? |
| 01:45:19 | FoOtloOse | can i make money selling merchandise or no? |
| 01:45:21 | FoOtloOse | :D |
| 01:45:50 | FoOtloOse | also can you make team flags only go to team flag spawns and not neutral? |
| 01:46:24 | raptor | yeah, you can make money off of it |
| 01:46:32 | FoOtloOse | yay! |
| 01:46:39 | FoOtloOse | no copyright infringement anywhere? |
| 01:47:31 | raptor | not really... i don't think. I mean, Watusimoto has the copyright, but it's open source code. Maybe double check with him |
| 01:48:21 | raptor | and really, i think you can even use the source code, compile it, and sell the game itself - although that would probably be bad form |
| 01:48:59 | FoOtloOse | kay |
| 01:49:00 | FoOtloOse | thanks! |
| 01:49:46 | raptor | sure |
| 01:49:59 | raptor | will you be selling home-made merchandise? |
| 01:52:07 | FoOtloOse | maybe! |
| 01:52:11 | FoOtloOse | hopefully! |
| 01:58:54 | raptor | tell me when you have some merc ready, i'd like to take a look :) |
| 02:03:24 | Nothing_Much | wait |
| 02:03:27 | Nothing_Much | merchandise? |
| 02:03:28 | Nothing_Much | :0 |
| 02:05:33 | raptor | Watusimoto: it's done! and it works! Thanks! |
| 02:05:40 | | BFLogBot Commit: d616da8fbc | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: FloatCounterMenuItem has been created. Used just like the CounterMenuItems but can handle floating point values |
| 02:05:41 | | BFLogBot Commit: d6ef72655d | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Upgrade teleporter delay to be an editor feature. Also add Lua API methods to set/get the delay |
| 02:05:44 | raptor | ok, time for bed |
| 02:07:38 | Nothing_Much | FoOtloOse, what are you making? :O |
| 02:08:04 | Skybax | raptor did you remove Skybot from Pleiades? |
| 02:08:28 | Skybax | Also no I think they were the same author lol |
| 02:10:42 | raptor | Skybax: it should be there... let me check |
| 02:11:43 | Skybax | I've been trying to add it and it says there's no such file as Skybot |
| 02:12:11 | Skybax | But also yes like all the doubles were by the same author. Just slightly updated versions |
| 02:12:47 | FoOtloOse | Nothing_Much: hopefully some ships and things c: |
| 02:13:28 | FoOtloOse | i'll post pics on the forums if/when i do |
| 02:13:30 | raptor | huh, maybe a bug in the pleiades export script - i'll have to diagnose |
| 02:13:34 | raptor | FoOtloOse: ok |
| 02:13:58 | FoOtloOse | :D |
| 02:14:00 | FoOtloOse | night guys |
| 02:14:06 | raptor | night! |
| 02:14:08 | FoOtloOse | oh |
| 02:14:14 | FoOtloOse | where would i post them? |
| 02:14:20 | FoOtloOse | last time i posted things.... |
| 02:14:25 | FoOtloOse | well. |
| 02:14:32 | Watusimoto | hey what time was the game tonight? |
| 02:14:34 | FoOtloOse | my magnet thread. |
| 02:14:42 | DiannaAgron | I'm suprised how active this irc is |
| 02:14:43 | FoOtloOse | 6:15 est |
| 02:14:46 | DiannaAgron | considering community size |
| 02:14:48 | Watusimoto | oops |
| 02:14:56 | Watusimoto | I thought it was a 9:15 pst |
| 02:15:01 | Watusimoto | which is why we showed up then |
| 02:15:05 | FoOtloOse | aw |
| 02:15:06 | Watusimoto | luckily there were other players |
| 02:15:15 | raptor | oh hey, you're alive! |
| 02:15:16 | Watusimoto | I swapped in and out with my kids |
| 02:15:16 | FoOtloOse | where would one post bitfighter merch? |
| 02:15:36 | Watusimoto | so wait... what are you doing FoOtloOse? |
| 02:15:39 | FoOtloOse | off topic or something? |
| 02:15:43 | FoOtloOse | not sure yet! |
| 02:15:47 | FoOtloOse | ship plushie things |
| 02:15:56 | Watusimoto | I got as far as making stuff |
| 02:15:56 | Watusimoto | and trying to sell it? |
| 02:15:56 | FoOtloOse | for contest prizes |
| 02:16:09 | FoOtloOse | working on the selling part now. |
| 02:16:09 | Watusimoto | that's cool |
| 02:16:18 | FoOtloOse | thanks :D |
| 02:16:26 | Watusimoto | well, the issue of copyright and trademark is pretty complex |
| 02:16:38 | Watusimoto | your questons weren't really the right ones to be asking |
| 02:16:42 | FoOtloOse | awe |
| 02:16:45 | Watusimoto | (almost) everything is copyright |
| 02:16:58 | FoOtloOse | i know nothing about copyright stuff. |
| 02:17:14 | Watusimoto | the source code of bf is copyright, but licensed in such a way that anyone can get a copy and make changes |
| 02:17:21 | Watusimoto | as long as they release their changes |
| 02:17:35 | Watusimoto | it is copyright that enforces that restriction |
| 02:17:37 | FoOtloOse | i'll try getting a ship done this weekend to post while i have off from school |
| 02:17:42 | raptor | copyleft! |
| 02:17:54 | FoOtloOse | yeah! |
| 02:17:54 | Watusimoto | if you modified the game and distributed it, without making source available, I could sue you |
| 02:18:04 | Watusimoto | but only because it is copyrighted |
| 02:18:05 | FoOtloOse | i just wanted to know if i'd get in any trouble selling stuff |
| 02:18:16 | Watusimoto | see, that's a whole other question |
| 02:18:25 | Watusimoto | and that's probably what you should ask |
| 02:18:27 | FoOtloOse | :D |
| 02:18:34 | Watusimoto | so what does "trouble" mean to you? |
| 02:18:37 | raptor | the real question is: will footloose lose her house for selling bitfighter plushies |
| 02:18:38 | FoOtloOse | uh |
| 02:18:43 | FoOtloOse | yes |
| 02:18:46 | FoOtloOse | that ^ |
| 02:18:53 | Watusimoto | your house is probably safe |
| 02:19:05 | FoOtloOse | i just want to know nobody will sue me |
| 02:19:06 | FoOtloOse | or anything |
| 02:19:11 | FoOtloOse | or yell at me :c |
| 02:19:20 | Watusimoto | the reality is, if I were so inclined to actually do somehting more than give you a stern talking to, it would take a fair bit of money and effort on my part |
| 02:19:38 | FoOtloOse | :D |
| 02:19:38 | Watusimoto | would that be worth it over some handmade toys? |
| 02:19:43 | FoOtloOse | nope |
| 02:19:44 | FoOtloOse | not at all. |
| 02:19:45 | Watusimoto | in reality, almost certainly not |
| 02:20:07 | FoOtloOse | so you're not gonna sue me. |
| 02:20:12 | FoOtloOse | ever. |
| 02:20:12 | FoOtloOse | :D |
| 02:20:16 | FoOtloOse | hopefully? |
| 02:20:17 | Watusimoto | so while I have no problem with your toys, if I did, there are practical barriers to doing anything other than yelling at you and making idle threats |
| 02:20:31 | Watusimoto | and what would I sue you for? |
| 02:20:35 | FoOtloOse | i dunno |
| 02:20:37 | Watusimoto | like how much? |
| 02:20:44 | Watusimoto | what damages have you done to me? |
| 02:20:49 | FoOtloOse | none! |
| 02:20:50 | raptor | the color red not being (255, 0, 0) |
| 02:20:58 | Watusimoto | that's what a judge would ask |
| 02:21:10 | Watusimoto | so perhaps I could get the money you made from sellign your toys |
| 02:21:14 | FoOtloOse | O: |
| 02:21:23 | FoOtloOse | im just a poor college kid trying to make a living :c |
| 02:21:34 | Watusimoto | but the lawyer fees alond would cost me 1000x that |
| 02:21:53 | Watusimoto | wiat... I thought you were like 12 years old |
| 02:21:59 | FoOtloOse | :D |
| 02:21:59 | Skybax | So I'm wondering, Watusimoto, even though the game is copyrighted, are you against people using it and promoting it and making things about it? I mean it's basically free advertising |
| 02:22:04 | FoOtloOse | 15! |
| 02:22:17 | Watusimoto | so not quite in college |
| 02:22:24 | FoOtloOse | i am tho c: |
| 02:22:34 | raptor | she's on the accelerated route |
| 02:22:39 | FoOtloOse | bitfighter is like my heart and soul and i would never do anything to harm it |
| 02:22:40 | Watusimoto | Skybax: it depends... but what FoOtloOse is describing is fine with me |
| 02:22:54 | Skybax | So what, for example, would you be against? |
| 02:23:03 | Watusimoto | I'm not sure, to be honest |
| 02:23:07 | raptor | especially harm by plushie! |
| 02:23:15 | FoOtloOse | i would never mess with the actual game |
| 02:23:27 | raptor | ^^ I keep telling myself that |
| 02:23:32 | Watusimoto | maybe you should try! |
| 02:23:34 | FoOtloOse | nor could i because my coding consists of |
| 02:23:49 | FoOtloOse | "HEY RAPTOR CAN YOU MAKE AWESOME FLOATING WHATEVER?" then he does it :D |
| 02:24:04 | FoOtloOse | i like my coding style right now! |
| 02:24:07 | Watusimoto | FoOtloOse: tell me more about this college thing |
| 02:24:14 | FoOtloOse | uh |
| 02:24:20 | raptor | Watusimoto: you should check my two latest commits. I hope I didn't do more work that you were doing |
| 02:24:24 | FoOtloOse | local community college partnered with the college near us |
| 02:24:40 | Watusimoto | Skybax: I can't think of anything I'd be strongly against |
| 02:24:51 | Skybax | Okay lol |
| 02:24:58 | Skybax | What about slightly against |
| 02:24:58 | Watusimoto | a few things I'd be uneasy with, but nothing that I would be really upset with |
| 02:25:01 | FoOtloOse | has a HSOP program (basically lets anybody 15+ take the "accuplacer" test to see where you place then you can take courses at college level or below depending where you place) |
| 02:25:14 | Watusimoto | FoOtloOse: great! |
| 02:25:24 | FoOtloOse | also 65% off everything while still in HS! |
| 02:25:36 | raptor | oh man, that's amazing |
| 02:25:40 | FoOtloOse | i know ._. |
| 02:25:41 | raptor | even tuition? |
| 02:25:44 | FoOtloOse | yup |
| 02:25:46 | Watusimoto | Skybax: I'd know it when I see it, maybe |
| 02:25:46 | raptor | !! |
| 02:25:54 | Skybax | lol |
| 02:26:00 | raptor | i should have never graduated high school... |
| 02:26:06 | FoOtloOse | :D |
| 02:26:36 | Watusimoto | so you are getting college credits? |
| 02:26:45 | FoOtloOse | yup |
| 02:26:53 | Watusimoto | in what subject area? |
| 02:26:54 | FoOtloOse | except my first...3? math courses |
| 02:26:54 | Skybax | That's actually really freaking awesome |
| 02:27:02 | FoOtloOse | because i cannot math and placed raelly bad. |
| 02:27:03 | Watusimoto | or is it too soon to tell? |
| 02:27:12 | FoOtloOse | hopefully gonna work towards a nursing degree! |
| 02:27:17 | Watusimoto | great |
| 02:27:44 | FoOtloOse | if i do it right i should be able to have an associates by the time i turn 18ish |
| 02:27:53 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 02:27:59 | raptor | ok, I just got scolded and need to go to bed now. Good night! |
| 02:28:04 | FoOtloOse | aw night! |
| 02:28:04 | Watusimoto | night |
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| 02:28:56 | FoOtloOse | i should go to bed too SO I CAN GET UP AND MAKE AWESOME BITFIGHTER MERCHANDISE YEAHHH |
| 02:28:59 | FoOtloOse | oh also |
| 02:29:08 | FoOtloOse | what sub forum would i post it in? |
| 02:29:57 | Watusimoto | uh... you could start in General |
| 02:30:08 | FoOtloOse | okay |
| 02:30:17 | Skybax | I wanna learn how to code iOS apps and make a Bitfighter for iPhone |
| 02:30:20 | FoOtloOse | cause i posted magnets i did before and it ended up in off topic |
| 02:30:20 | Watusimoto | I'm pretty hands off in the forums |
| 02:30:36 | FoOtloOse | but the thread got derailed |
| 02:30:45 | Watusimoto | but I can't see off topic, so whatever hapens there is unknown to me |
| 02:30:54 | FoOtloOse | aww :c |
| 02:31:05 | FoOtloOse | you're missing out on so much! |
| 02:31:23 | Skybax | Watusimoto would you be against me doing that lol |
| 02:31:54 | FoOtloOse | http://i.imgur.com/MibRorV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/F5jORna.jpg like these super cool horrible kinda magnets i made! |
| 02:32:16 | Watusimoto | wow |
| 02:32:42 | FoOtloOse | i hate how the turret side turned out, cause i was running out of thread and stuff. |
| 02:32:47 | Watusimoto | Skybax: yes, but only because you'd get frustrated and quit it |
| 02:33:17 | Watusimoto | Skybax: I would prefer you have a more positive programming experience |
| 02:33:59 | Skybax | lol why do you say I'd get frustrated? |
| 02:34:48 | Watusimoto | because bitfighter is really complex in some ways, and replicating it on ios would be a huge undertaking |
| 02:35:03 | Skybax | Such as how to do things? |
| 02:35:06 | Skybax | Like modules and stuff? |
| 02:35:18 | Watusimoto | such as getting the networking to work |
| 02:35:18 | Nothing_Much | You can't put Bitfighter on the App Store as it conflicts with the GPL :| |
| 02:35:25 | Skybax | Ah |
| 02:35:29 | Watusimoto | what does? |
| 02:35:32 | Watusimoto | the app store? |
| 02:35:40 | Watusimoto | wait.. what? |
| 02:36:19 | Nothing_Much | Apple's App store |
| 02:36:27 | Nothing_Much | I think I said this once before.. |
| 02:36:37 | Skybax | Yeah I don't know a huge lot about how apps make the conversation with the internet, but that's what the whole "learning how to code iOS apps" part is for *bobs head enthusiastically* |
| 02:36:53 | Nothing_Much | GPL licensed software cannot be put on the App Store because Apple's licensing agreement requires you don't allow the source code to be shared. |
| 02:37:05 | Watusimoto | oh, yes, ok |
| 02:37:07 | Watusimoto | you are right |
| 02:37:29 | Nothing_Much | so.. Android all the way! |
| 02:37:30 | Watusimoto | Skybax: start with something simple |
| 02:37:50 | Watusimoto | like a flappy birds clone or something |
| 02:38:04 | Watusimoto | or learn a little c++ and do a simple project in bitfighter |
| 02:38:05 | Skybax | Well you can distribute iPhone apps without using the App Store |
| 02:38:14 | Watusimoto | we have some easy stuff that needs to be done |
| 02:38:19 | Skybax | IPAs |
| 02:38:40 | Nothing_Much | Skybax, Then only jailbroken iPhones would be compatible :P |
| 02:38:48 | Skybax | No lol |
| 02:39:38 | Skybax | I've downloaded apps that weren't on the app store before |
| 02:39:44 | Skybax | On my non jailbroken phone |
| 02:40:23 | Skybax | I was a beta tester for an app that was definitely not on the app store and all they did was send me a download link and my phone had it |
| 02:41:11 | Skybax | Also you can sync your iPhone with any IPA that you can upload to your iTunes |
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| 02:41:51 | Skybax | I took C++ in high school but I almost failed it cause my teacher didn't know how to teach. So my C++ knowledge is next to nill |
| 02:46:19 | Nothing_Much | I would love to have a good teacher, too bad it's expensive. |
| 02:46:31 | Nothing_Much | Skybax, Your state is freaking amazing when it comes to prices, how does that exist/ |
| 02:46:53 | Skybax | For like college stuff? |
| 02:47:07 | Skybax | Prices for what lol |
| 02:48:06 | Skybax | I live like 20 minutes from Evergreen Community College which is apparently like one of the best colleges for computer courses |
| 02:48:24 | Skybax | Which doesn't really surprise me because of Microsoft's Headquarters being like three hours away |
| 02:48:58 | Skybax | Also Nintendo Headquarters |
| 02:49:41 | Skybax | Watusimoto would any of the languages on codecademy be useful for Bitfightery stuff? |
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| 02:51:43 | Skybax | They don't have C++ or Lua but they have other thangs |
| 02:52:11 | Watusimoto | try a course on edx... I'm doing one with my son, and it's pretty good |
| 02:52:24 | Watusimoto | the most importatnt thing is practice and perserverence |
| 02:52:36 | Watusimoto | don't know what's on code acadamey |
| 02:53:02 | Nothing_Much | Skybax, ANYTHING |
| 02:53:03 | Watusimoto | python may be the best to learn |
| 02:53:17 | Watusimoto | it's pretty easy, and is widely used |
| 02:53:23 | Skybax | Python? Okay they have that |
| 02:53:49 | Watusimoto | javascript sucks, but is probably good to learn as well |
| 02:54:00 | Skybax | Nothing_Much: Anything is cheaper or anything is good to learn? lol |
| 02:54:03 | Watusimoto | you can do stuff in the browser pretty easily |
| 02:54:14 | Nothing_Much | Both |
| 02:54:16 | Watusimoto | don't bother with ruby |
| 02:54:28 | Skybax | So like if learned Javascript I could help with making a browser version of Bitfighter? |
| 02:54:33 | Watusimoto | probably don't bother with php, unless you want to do website stuff |
| 02:54:41 | Watusimoto | probably not |
| 02:54:47 | Skybax | I already know website stuff |
| 02:54:50 | Skybax | I did that in HS |
| 02:55:03 | Watusimoto | we can compile the c++ code to javascript... that's probably the only way forward on that front |
| 02:55:12 | Watusimoto | website stuff != html |
| 02:55:14 | Skybax | Ahkay |
| 02:55:36 | Skybax | I know HTML and CSS |
| 02:55:40 | Skybax | That's easy stuff |
| 02:55:42 | Watusimoto | website stuff = html + javascript + something like php on the server |
| 02:56:13 | Skybax | Okay |
| 02:56:32 | Skybax | Nothing_Much: What exactly are you looking at that's so much cheaper here than wherever you are lol |
| 02:56:33 | Watusimoto | of the stuff there, start with python |
| 02:56:37 | Watusimoto | its the least painful |
| 02:57:19 | Watusimoto | and can be used to do quick stuff you might want to do, like reformat a file or something small, but otherwise difficult |
| 02:57:31 | Skybax | Okay |
| 02:57:52 | Skybax | I'll work on that |
| 02:58:55 | Watusimoto | the concepts will help you learn lua |
| 02:59:06 | Watusimoto | if you want to script stuff for bf |
| 02:59:20 | Skybax | Okay |
| 02:59:41 | Skybax | I really like Codecademy because the learning is all interactive |
| 02:59:48 | Skybax | It's hard to find things like that for other coding languages |
| 03:00:08 | Skybax | Happy Friday |
| 03:00:38 | Watusimoto | http://luatut.com/ |
| 03:00:45 | Watusimoto | but lua is of very limited use |
| 03:00:55 | Watusimoto | python is a great general purpose language |
| 03:03:31 | Skybax | I think you showed me that site before |
| 03:03:35 | Skybax | It's ALMOST interactive lol |
| 03:45:04 | Skybax | Concatenation is sort of interesting |
| 03:45:09 | Skybax | When would you use that? |
| 04:01:55 | Skybax | Anyone? lol |
| 04:03:12 | Nothing_Much | dfdhjaurpiewq |
| 04:07:58 | Skybax | Uhkay |
| 04:08:25 | Nothing_Much | sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep |
| 04:14:56 | Skybax | Nothing_Much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWPqgJWT6R4 |
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| 16:04:06 | Skybax | Good afternoony |
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| 19:04:54 | raptor | good day |
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| 19:29:55 | FoOtloOse | RAPTOR WHATS YOUR FAVOURITE COLOUR? |
| 19:30:03 | raptor | who what |
| 19:30:08 | raptor | I like dark green |
| 19:30:13 | FoOtloOse | OKAY |
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| 21:23:38 | raptor | hello again |
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