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IRC Log for 2015-09-18

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12:32:08 BFLogBot Comment on issue #467 | User: eykamp | Comment: Ok, making some progress on this... it's a tad more complex than I had hoped.  Currently, when you do a shuffle, teams ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/467#issuecomment-141500037
12:34:43 BFLogBot Comment on issue #467 | User: raptor | Comment: Perhaps, answering the original issue in a different way, we should just provide a `/reset` command to reset score and t ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/467#issuecomment-141501207
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13:15:45 BFLogBot Comment on issue #467 | User: eykamp | Comment: Dude... why didn't you suggest that 3 days ago?!?  :-)  In any event, I think your proposal is a better solution -- le ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/467#issuecomment-141510768
13:17:03 BFLogBot Comment on issue #467 | User: raptor | Comment: Sorry!  It just came to me... ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/467#issuecomment-141511200
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15:57:42 BFLogBot Comment on issue #467 | User: raptor | Comment: Another thought - should all players be teleported to starting spots as well?  Basically to fully emulate a `/restart` w ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/467#issuecomment-141551666
16:04:35 BFLogBot Comment on issue #467 | User: eykamp | Comment: I think so -- a /reset would be like a /restart, but with the same teams.  On 9/18/2015 12:57 PM, raptor wrote: > > Anot ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/467#issuecomment-141552929
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17:36:33 watusimoto sam686: you own the code you wrote; if you are writing a library, best to use mit/similar license, not gpl; if you are writing end-user code, gpl or mit is ok.  Not endorsing specific licsenses, just using gpl & mit as examples of the types of licenses.
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19:56:58 raptor good day
19:57:13 raptor i just wasted 1.5 hours with bad syntax in matlab
20:01:38 sam686 hi
20:01:44 raptor hi sam686!
20:01:47 raptor long time no see
20:02:14 sam686 over a past 6 months i been mostly playing on playstation 3 and 4
20:02:56 raptor there's a playstation 4??
20:04:30 sam686 yes,  theres are new video game consoles now
20:05:25 sam686 playstation 4 and the confusingly named "xbox one", (after xbox 360)
20:05:33 raptor haha
20:06:40 sam686 theres also "wii u" but that console isn't so popular "wii" is more popular.
20:10:03 sam686 ps4 might have the most sales (if not counting the old "wii" or anything older)
20:12:25 raptor oh wow, they're both x86_64 CPUs
20:17:32 sam686 i think powerpc will soon die: no more apple powerpc, and it looks like only nintendo wii u still have powerpc for 3 new game consoles.
20:27:15 sam686 i wonder if there are anyone still people using mac powerpc?
20:32:34 raptor Maybe Little_Apple with his old computer...  maybe fordcars
20:34:12 raptor but i doubt it
20:57:14 raptor oh sam686, look at this:  http://bitfighter.org/~raptor/emscripten/bitfighter.html
20:57:21 raptor it's not fully working, but it's coming along
21:00:37 sam686 does work on chrome (mostly), except the black text..
21:00:43 sam686 editor looks ok though
21:00:57 raptor yeah - i've been working on it slowly
21:01:10 raptor i want to do at least 3 things - 1. get the editor to save .level files
21:01:15 raptor 2.  fix black text
21:01:19 raptor 3.  get networking to work
21:01:49 sam686 black text problem is probably the const color placed in .cpp problem
21:01:54 raptor i'm research #3 right now, but it's a bit difficult - i have to use WebRTC i think
21:02:01 raptor sam686: oh?  what problem is that?
21:02:20 raptor it's only for TTF fonts
21:02:28 raptor menu vector font works
21:04:24 sam686 extern const menucolor; const color textcolor = menucolor; const textcolor = white;
21:04:38 sam686 its the order of initalizing the const is the problem
21:04:52 raptor for ttf fonts?
21:04:59 raptor i only see the ttf fonts as black
21:05:31 sam686 if you look at "save your edits?" its all black text
21:05:39 raptor yes
21:05:41 sam686 maybe setting the color or blending is the problem
21:05:46 sam686 i might be wrong
21:05:46 raptor that is a TTF font, too
21:06:21 raptor anyways, i thought i'd let you know...  hopefully if i get this working we can get more players from browsers
21:07:24 sam686 going to option changing  windowed/fullscreen option breaks the game after a few changes
21:07:38 raptor ah yes...  there are fullscreen issues, too
21:08:30 watusimoto hi raptor... just in time for me to leave!
21:08:35 raptor hi watusimoto
21:08:36 sam686 it breaks after clicking the "fullscreen" in upper right corner
21:08:55 raptor bugs everywhere!
21:08:55 watusimoto so... see ya!
21:08:57 raptor later
21:10:00 watusimoto (get sam686 working on your emscripten fork!)
21:10:27 watusimoto :)
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21:10:54 raptor maybe i should push it to github...
21:11:58 sam686 "connection to master server failed press ESC"  except pressing esc exits fullscreen in chrome
21:12:05 raptor haha, yeah
21:12:38 raptor i want to first get it to use UDP and connect to master somehow
21:14:33 sam686 the F6 button doesn't work,  F1 button kindof works but not without chrome popping up browser help window
21:16:45 sam686 i can't press enter as the game don't realize i released the "alt" button (after pressing it)
21:17:11 raptor yeah, we'd have to change/remove several keys
21:17:19 sam686 that only applies to right alt,  left alt is fine
21:18:17 sam686 line width is stuck at only 1 pixel width,  with no line smoothing
21:19:00 raptor yeah, only GLES 2 is supported in a browser
21:19:16 raptor so emscripten,  the compiling suite, only emulates a handful of GL 1.x features
21:19:22 raptor one it doesn't is linewidth
21:21:28 sam686 actually line smoothing does work, if i enable chrome's "use hardware acceleration"
21:22:27 sam686 or not, looks more like antialiasing instead
21:25:21 sam686 antialiasing doesn't smooth the lines as much as the line smoothing does, and the older radeon 9200 i used to have, can do line smoothing faster then antialiasing.
21:25:59 sam686 but then again, antialiasing can smooth all edges to polygons too.
21:26:44 sam686 using opengl shaders?
21:28:55 raptor so I wrote an abstraction layer in RenderManager.cpp/.h so we can code a GLES 2 implementation
21:29:18 raptor but only the GL/ES 1 stuff is there - little or no work has been done on migrating to GLES 2
21:29:51 raptor but I bet if we did, the black font might go away
21:29:52 raptor but it's a lot of work
21:31:44 sam686 shaders do vertex colors, texture, and fog combining, but don't do blending at all
21:32:04 sam686 blending is still mostly the same fixed functions
21:34:22 sam686 but then again, i can't see your problem if you don't show your code
21:34:41 raptor so i have not really modified any bitfighter core code
21:34:52 raptor it's all in the build system with emscripten
21:38:52 sam686 although i sort of trying to make my game, heres my gl combining stuff http://sam6.25u.com/hg/gamemake2/file/d69cee4ff2e4/game/glfixed.cpp
21:39:08 sam686 ... and heres my glsl shader part for newer opengl http://sam6.25u.com/hg/gamemake2/file/d69cee4ff2e4/game/glshader.cpp
21:41:02 sam686 for bitfighter font rendering, i may first look at glTexEnvi(GL_TEXTURE_ENV and see if it is set right or if it is even there at all
21:43:44 sam686 fontstash.c is totally missing GL_TEXTURE_ENV it looks like
21:44:25 sam686 on opengl it defaults to glTexEnvi(GL_TEXTURE_ENV, GL_TEXTURE_ENV_MODE, GL_MODULATE);
21:44:33 sam686 on glsl it might be a different default
21:45:41 sam686 everywhere you see glEnable(GL_TEXTURE_2D); also try adding glTexEnvi(GL_TEXTURE_ENV, GL_TEXTURE_ENV_MODE, GL_MODULATE);
21:46:23 raptor OK, i'll do that as soon as I get a moment to fix something...
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21:55:30 raptor i found this neat site for GLES 2 reference:  docs.gl
21:56:03 sam686 if that doesn't work, you could try GL_ADD to test if the problem is really a black texture font rather then white (GL_MODULATE is like multiply)
21:56:56 raptor what do the glTexEnvi calls even do?
21:57:00 raptor glTexEnvi
21:57:12 raptor glTexEnv
21:57:32 sam686 https://www.opengl.org/sdk/docs/man2/xhtml/glTexEnv.xml
21:58:03 raptor ah, that's GL2+  not even GLES
21:58:12 sam686 im not sure why the font in charts in that page is messed up (rectangles)
21:58:12 raptor we need to stick to GL 1.x or GLES 2
21:59:36 sam686 read the notes in the link i showed you, its opengl 1.1
21:59:53 sam686 opengl glsl is opengl 2.0
22:00:38 raptor yes, but if we're going to be compatible with many devices, we need to stick to the subset of GL 2.0 which is GLES 2
22:03:57 raptor ah wait, i see, glTexEnnv is part of opengl 1.1,but only certain features.  ok, that is ok
22:06:10 sam686 while GL_COMBINE needs opengl 1.3, it might be available on gl es 1.1 (theres no opengl es 1.2 i dont think)
22:07:03 sam686 es and non-es is sort of confusing on what is supported below version 2.0
22:09:29 raptor basically gles 1.1 is a subset of opengl 1.3; gles 2 is a subset of opengl 2.0
22:09:50 raptor and webgl (what is needed for the browser) is a subset of gles 2
22:16:17 raptor sadly...  glTexEnvi is not supported with emscripten
22:16:23 raptor so that won't work
22:18:55 sam686 my guess is, it might be opengl es 2.0 with the lack of backwards compatibility
22:19:50 raptor yes, emscripten is that - but it does provide some opengl 1.1 with a translation layer (which is what I used).  It is incomplete, though
22:20:08 raptor that's why i want to work on the network first - the GL stuff can probably come later as it's mostly working
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23:27:37 raptor rats, hit a bug in the webrtc code
23:27:44 raptor i guess it's bed time!
23:27:46 raptor night
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12:32:08		BFLogBot Comment on issue #467 \| User: eykamp \| Comment: Ok, making some progress on this... it's a tad more complex than I had hoped. Currently, when you do a shuffle, teams ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/467#issuecomment-141500037
12:34:43		BFLogBot Comment on issue #467 \| User: raptor \| Comment: Perhaps, answering the original issue in a different way, we should just provide a `/reset` command to reset score and t ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/467#issuecomment-141501207
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13:15:45		BFLogBot Comment on issue #467 \| User: eykamp \| Comment: Dude... why didn't you suggest that 3 days ago?!? :-) In any event, I think your proposal is a better solution -- le ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/467#issuecomment-141510768
13:17:03		BFLogBot Comment on issue #467 \| User: raptor \| Comment: Sorry! It just came to me... ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/467#issuecomment-141511200
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15:57:42		BFLogBot Comment on issue #467 \| User: raptor \| Comment: Another thought - should all players be teleported to starting spots as well? Basically to fully emulate a `/restart` w ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/467#issuecomment-141551666
16:04:35		BFLogBot Comment on issue #467 \| User: eykamp \| Comment: I think so -- a /reset would be like a /restart, but with the same teams. On 9/18/2015 12:57 PM, raptor wrote: > > Anot ... \| https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/467#issuecomment-141552929
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17:36:33	watusimoto	sam686: you own the code you wrote; if you are writing a library, best to use mit/similar license, not gpl; if you are writing end-user code, gpl or mit is ok. Not endorsing specific licsenses, just using gpl & mit as examples of the types of licenses.
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19:56:58	raptor	good day
19:57:13	raptor	i just wasted 1.5 hours with bad syntax in matlab
20:01:38	sam686	hi
20:01:44	raptor	hi sam686!
20:01:47	raptor	long time no see
20:02:14	sam686	over a past 6 months i been mostly playing on playstation 3 and 4
20:02:56	raptor	there's a playstation 4??
20:04:30	sam686	yes, theres are new video game consoles now
20:05:25	sam686	playstation 4 and the confusingly named "xbox one", (after xbox 360)
20:05:33	raptor	haha
20:06:40	sam686	theres also "wii u" but that console isn't so popular "wii" is more popular.
20:10:03	sam686	ps4 might have the most sales (if not counting the old "wii" or anything older)
20:12:25	raptor	oh wow, they're both x86_64 CPUs
20:17:32	sam686	i think powerpc will soon die: no more apple powerpc, and it looks like only nintendo wii u still have powerpc for 3 new game consoles.
20:27:15	sam686	i wonder if there are anyone still people using mac powerpc?
20:32:34	raptor	Maybe Little_Apple with his old computer... maybe fordcars
20:34:12	raptor	but i doubt it
20:57:14	raptor	oh sam686, look at this: http://bitfighter.org/~raptor/emscripten/bitfighter.html
20:57:21	raptor	it's not fully working, but it's coming along
21:00:37	sam686	does work on chrome (mostly), except the black text..
21:00:43	sam686	editor looks ok though
21:00:57	raptor	yeah - i've been working on it slowly
21:01:10	raptor	i want to do at least 3 things - 1. get the editor to save .level files
21:01:15	raptor	2. fix black text
21:01:19	raptor	3. get networking to work
21:01:49	sam686	black text problem is probably the const color placed in .cpp problem
21:01:54	raptor	i'm research #3 right now, but it's a bit difficult - i have to use WebRTC i think
21:02:01	raptor	sam686: oh? what problem is that?
21:02:20	raptor	it's only for TTF fonts
21:02:28	raptor	menu vector font works
21:04:24	sam686	extern const menucolor; const color textcolor = menucolor; const textcolor = white;
21:04:38	sam686	its the order of initalizing the const is the problem
21:04:52	raptor	for ttf fonts?
21:04:59	raptor	i only see the ttf fonts as black
21:05:31	sam686	if you look at "save your edits?" its all black text
21:05:39	raptor	yes
21:05:41	sam686	maybe setting the color or blending is the problem
21:05:46	sam686	i might be wrong
21:05:46	raptor	that is a TTF font, too
21:06:21	raptor	anyways, i thought i'd let you know... hopefully if i get this working we can get more players from browsers
21:07:24	sam686	going to option changing windowed/fullscreen option breaks the game after a few changes
21:07:38	raptor	ah yes... there are fullscreen issues, too
21:08:30	watusimoto	hi raptor... just in time for me to leave!
21:08:35	raptor	hi watusimoto
21:08:36	sam686	it breaks after clicking the "fullscreen" in upper right corner
21:08:55	raptor	bugs everywhere!
21:08:55	watusimoto	so... see ya!
21:08:57	raptor	later
21:10:00	watusimoto	(get sam686 working on your emscripten fork!)
21:10:27	watusimoto	:)
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21:10:54	raptor	maybe i should push it to github...
21:11:58	sam686	"connection to master server failed press ESC" except pressing esc exits fullscreen in chrome
21:12:05	raptor	haha, yeah
21:12:38	raptor	i want to first get it to use UDP and connect to master somehow
21:14:33	sam686	the F6 button doesn't work, F1 button kindof works but not without chrome popping up browser help window
21:16:45	sam686	i can't press enter as the game don't realize i released the "alt" button (after pressing it)
21:17:11	raptor	yeah, we'd have to change/remove several keys
21:17:19	sam686	that only applies to right alt, left alt is fine
21:18:17	sam686	line width is stuck at only 1 pixel width, with no line smoothing
21:19:00	raptor	yeah, only GLES 2 is supported in a browser
21:19:16	raptor	so emscripten, the compiling suite, only emulates a handful of GL 1.x features
21:19:22	raptor	one it doesn't is linewidth
21:21:28	sam686	actually line smoothing does work, if i enable chrome's "use hardware acceleration"
21:22:27	sam686	or not, looks more like antialiasing instead
21:25:21	sam686	antialiasing doesn't smooth the lines as much as the line smoothing does, and the older radeon 9200 i used to have, can do line smoothing faster then antialiasing.
21:25:59	sam686	but then again, antialiasing can smooth all edges to polygons too.
21:26:44	sam686	using opengl shaders?
21:28:55	raptor	so I wrote an abstraction layer in RenderManager.cpp/.h so we can code a GLES 2 implementation
21:29:18	raptor	but only the GL/ES 1 stuff is there - little or no work has been done on migrating to GLES 2
21:29:51	raptor	but I bet if we did, the black font might go away
21:29:52	raptor	but it's a lot of work
21:31:44	sam686	shaders do vertex colors, texture, and fog combining, but don't do blending at all
21:32:04	sam686	blending is still mostly the same fixed functions
21:34:22	sam686	but then again, i can't see your problem if you don't show your code
21:34:41	raptor	so i have not really modified any bitfighter core code
21:34:52	raptor	it's all in the build system with emscripten
21:38:52	sam686	although i sort of trying to make my game, heres my gl combining stuff http://sam6.25u.com/hg/gamemake2/file/d69cee4ff2e4/game/glfixed.cpp
21:39:08	sam686	... and heres my glsl shader part for newer opengl http://sam6.25u.com/hg/gamemake2/file/d69cee4ff2e4/game/glshader.cpp
21:41:02	sam686	for bitfighter font rendering, i may first look at glTexEnvi(GL_TEXTURE_ENV and see if it is set right or if it is even there at all
21:43:44	sam686	fontstash.c is totally missing GL_TEXTURE_ENV it looks like
21:44:25	sam686	on opengl it defaults to glTexEnvi(GL_TEXTURE_ENV, GL_TEXTURE_ENV_MODE, GL_MODULATE);
21:44:33	sam686	on glsl it might be a different default
21:45:41	sam686	everywhere you see glEnable(GL_TEXTURE_2D); also try adding glTexEnvi(GL_TEXTURE_ENV, GL_TEXTURE_ENV_MODE, GL_MODULATE);
21:46:23	raptor	OK, i'll do that as soon as I get a moment to fix something...
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21:55:30	raptor	i found this neat site for GLES 2 reference: docs.gl
21:56:03	sam686	if that doesn't work, you could try GL_ADD to test if the problem is really a black texture font rather then white (GL_MODULATE is like multiply)
21:56:56	raptor	what do the glTexEnvi calls even do?
21:57:00	raptor	glTexEnvi
21:57:12	raptor	glTexEnv
21:57:32	sam686	https://www.opengl.org/sdk/docs/man2/xhtml/glTexEnv.xml
21:58:03	raptor	ah, that's GL2+ not even GLES
21:58:12	sam686	im not sure why the font in charts in that page is messed up (rectangles)
21:58:12	raptor	we need to stick to GL 1.x or GLES 2
21:59:36	sam686	read the notes in the link i showed you, its opengl 1.1
21:59:53	sam686	opengl glsl is opengl 2.0
22:00:38	raptor	yes, but if we're going to be compatible with many devices, we need to stick to the subset of GL 2.0 which is GLES 2
22:03:57	raptor	ah wait, i see, glTexEnnv is part of opengl 1.1,but only certain features. ok, that is ok
22:06:10	sam686	while GL_COMBINE needs opengl 1.3, it might be available on gl es 1.1 (theres no opengl es 1.2 i dont think)
22:07:03	sam686	es and non-es is sort of confusing on what is supported below version 2.0
22:09:29	raptor	basically gles 1.1 is a subset of opengl 1.3; gles 2 is a subset of opengl 2.0
22:09:50	raptor	and webgl (what is needed for the browser) is a subset of gles 2
22:16:17	raptor	sadly... glTexEnvi is not supported with emscripten
22:16:23	raptor	so that won't work
22:18:55	sam686	my guess is, it might be opengl es 2.0 with the lack of backwards compatibility
22:19:50	raptor	yes, emscripten is that - but it does provide some opengl 1.1 with a translation layer (which is what I used). It is incomplete, though
22:20:08	raptor	that's why i want to work on the network first - the GL stuff can probably come later as it's mostly working
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23:27:37	raptor	rats, hit a bug in the webrtc code
23:27:44	raptor	i guess it's bed time!
23:27:46	raptor	night
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