#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2016-07-08

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11:45:31 hugo hello
11:46:24 hugo I have a question, I have a two PCs, one running Windows Vista and the other running Lubuntu, and I'd like to know if I can make them both play bitfighter on LAN together?
11:46:54 hugo Does bitfighter allow this, a connection between two different PCs with different operating systems?
11:46:56 hugo thank you.
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12:27:00 hugo hi
12:27:11 hugo have a question, I have a two PCs, one running Windows Vista and the other running Lubuntu, and I'd like to know if I can make them both play bitfighter on LAN together?
12:27:26 hugo Does bitfighter allow this, a connection between two different PCs with different operating systems?
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12:39:58 raptor hi hugo
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12:40:07 raptor yes, bitfighter is made for LAN multiplayer
12:41:05 raptor normally, one of the computers would set up a server.  This would open a port (usually at 28000).  Any other computer on the same LAN should automatically see it
12:41:41 raptor it's important that the server computer must have the port open in its firewall
12:43:12 raptor there's also a 'dedicated' mode where you can start bitfighter in a command line window with a '-dedicated' flag
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14:42:29 HUG_ please will anyone help me install bitfighter on lubuntu 14.04
14:42:45 HUG_ i have been trying for more than two hours now and this is getting annoying and frustrating
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15:34:30 watusimoto hi HUG_
15:34:34 watusimoto what have you tried?
15:42:09 HUG_ hello
15:42:24 HUG_ I have tried installing from the playdeb site
15:42:43 HUG_ using gdebi package installer
15:42:46 HUG_ no luck
15:43:04 HUG_ now im downloading the source code directly from the github site
15:43:20 HUG_ but the readme file says that I need to have installed some dependencies
15:43:31 HUG_ all of which I think I only have two so far
15:44:16 HUG_ I thought this process would be much simpler
15:53:23 HUG_ please would anyone give me some procedures to install bitfighter onto the lubuntu 14.04 pc
15:53:35 HUG_ step-by-step procedures
15:53:38 HUG_ I would greatly appreciate it
15:54:07 HUG_ why is the source code taking so long to download? its gone more than 20mbs already
15:54:24 HUG_ the win32 .exe installer was only 11,5 mb
15:54:38 HUG_ whouldnt this be more simpler to do??
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15:55:29 bobdaduck HUG???
15:57:16 HUG_ hello
15:57:26 bobdaduck @HUG_ I'm afraid I've not tried running Ubuntu before, so I'm unable to offer support except of the moral/emotional kind
15:57:44 HUG_ thank you anyways
15:58:33 bobdaduck I'm not sure I even know of any player playing on Ubuntu
15:58:51 HUG_ or any linux distribution?
15:58:56 HUG_ or any other OS other than windows?
15:59:32 HUG_ I've got it running perfectly on my windows vista laptop, which is what im currently using
15:59:34 bobdaduck Well plenty of apple players
16:00:23 HUG_ ok the source code finished downloading
16:00:33 HUG_ apple? ok
16:00:43 HUG_ Ive got a question:
16:01:01 HUG_ whenever i enter a server, it automatically takes me into games with bots but no other players
16:01:29 HUG_ i tried to enter a server that says that there were 127 players playing
16:01:38 bobdaduck Yes, that is because we have very few players
16:01:47 bobdaduck oh, that's the player limit, not the player amount
16:01:54 HUG_ but when I hit ENTER or click on the server, it automatically starts a match with me alone against bots
16:02:19 bobdaduck If I look at bitfighter.org, the player status widget says there's nobody else online
16:02:23 HUG_ I don't understand, since there were supposedly 127 players playing
16:02:42 bobdaduck 127 is the player limit, not the current active players
16:02:52 HUG_ ooohhhh
16:02:54 bobdaduck it probably showed 0 / 127
16:02:55 HUG_ thank you
16:03:00 bobdaduck Sorry!
16:03:05 HUG_ I probabbly didnt notice that
16:03:07 HUG_ okay
16:03:42 bobdaduck I'm afraid I'm at work or I would absolutely get on and play with you
16:03:53 bobdaduck The community's all on facebook and skype and I could probably get a game going
16:04:15 HUG_ thanks
16:04:42 HUG_ although im interested in playing against others, im more interested and getting it installed on my other pc so my kids could learn to play LAN style
16:05:07 HUG_ that's my main interest
16:05:22 bobdaduck I made a post from the bitfighter facebook page.  Hopefully one of our players uses Linux and sees it and can respond xD
16:06:38 HUG_ thank you very much
16:06:39 HUG_ :)
16:07:48 bobdaduck If only RAPTOR were to SOMEHOW hear me TELEPATHICALLY and ninja-smokebomb in to help
16:09:13 bobdaduck Most of our devs appear to be in limbo at the moment :)
16:09:38 bobdaduck Okay so here's what you do
16:09:41 bobdaduck you get your ubuntu
16:09:53 bobdaduck then make a virtual machine running a pirated copy of windows
16:09:57 bobdaduck and I'll walk you through from there
16:10:42 KaadmY i have linux
16:10:54 KaadmY but it took me a while to get it compiling
16:12:00 HUG_ if there were a way to do it without using a "pirated" copy of anything, I'd greatly appreciate it
16:12:34 bobdaduck lol
16:12:36 bobdaduck :)
16:18:18 HUG_ KaadmY
16:18:43 HUG_ I'd greatly appreciate if you could provide some guidance for me in installing on Ubuntu
16:21:33 KaadmY HUG_: do you have the source from https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter?
16:21:41 HUG_ Yes I have
16:21:49 HUG_ I'm installing openall right now
16:21:54 HUG_ using apt-get install
16:21:58 KaadmY ok
16:22:50 KaadmY do you have cmake, make, gcc, as well as the -dev libs for the required libs?
16:22:50 HUG_ now im going to try to get "libvorbix"
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16:22:54 KaadmY libvorbis*
16:23:04 KaadmY you need the -dev versions of all the libs
16:23:12 HUG_ i dont think I have any of those you mentiones
16:23:15 KaadmY ie. `apt-get install libvorbos libvorbis-dev`
16:23:22 KaadmY libvorbis*
16:23:24 HUG_ instead of make I think i have another builder, one I used to install MAME
16:23:27 HUG_ called Scons
16:23:32 KaadmY that won't work
16:23:39 KaadmY bitfighter requires make
16:23:43 HUG_ ok
16:23:48 HUG_ so many requirements
16:23:53 KaadmY not too many really :)
16:24:04 KaadmY you should only need to install most of these libs once
16:24:12 HUG_ ok
16:24:13 KaadmY most games use similar libs
16:24:20 HUG_ I hope they areny too big in size
16:24:30 HUG_ well, luckily openal was less than 1 mb
16:24:59 KaadmY yea
16:25:15 KaadmY libs are usually pretty small
16:25:50 HUG_ man can I ask you soemthing
16:25:57 HUG_ for example, when i tried to install openal
16:26:21 HUG_ i put "sudo apt-get install openal"... so it gave me an error
16:26:50 HUG_ until I typed "sudo apt-get install libopenall-dev"
16:27:17 KaadmY yes
16:27:20 HUG_ so i knew i had to install "openal" but i didnt know that I had to type it liek this: "libopenal-dev"
16:27:21 KaadmY hmm
16:27:26 HUG_ is there any search function?
16:27:31 HUG_ search command?
16:27:31 KaadmY press the tab key
16:27:34 KaadmY it autocompletes libs
16:27:41 KaadmY (takes a bit of time to find)
16:27:43 HUG_ oh really?
16:27:53 KaadmY ie `sudo apt-get install libvor` then press tab
16:28:08 KaadmY it'll use the closest one it can find, or print a list of possible matches
16:28:25 KaadmY and (without sudo) `apt-file find <file>`
16:28:37 HUG_ oh jees, i just tried it and yeah it worked
16:28:38 KaadmY where <file> can be a file inside any package
16:28:42 HUG_ thank you!
16:29:09 KaadmY ie. `apt-file find "vorbisfile.h"` will print "libvorbis-dev: /usr/include/vorbis/vorbisfile.h"
16:29:24 KaadmY so you know which package the file is in
16:30:22 HUG_ oh i needed to know that too! thank you!
16:30:29 HUG_ im totally new to ubuntu
16:30:30 KaadmY yw :)
16:30:40 KaadmY i've only used linux for anything "real"
16:30:45 HUG_ i had this old pc just accumulating dust
16:30:59 KaadmY used windows for a year or so(years ago), and hated it :P
16:31:06 HUG_ so now i want it to serve for atleast as some arcade low-spec gaming centre for my kids
16:31:12 KaadmY heh
16:31:19 KaadmY you might want to try doom then
16:31:31 KaadmY (unless you don't want violence :)
16:31:43 HUG_ i know doom, the thing is im trying to avoid certain types of genres
16:31:46 HUG_ if you know what i mean
16:31:51 KaadmY ie. violence, i'm guessing?
16:31:57 HUG_ violence, demons, horror, whatnot
16:32:02 KaadmY could try bzflag
16:32:13 KaadmY no violence, low specs to run, fun
16:32:17 HUG_ never heard of it
16:32:22 HUG_ i'll look intoit
16:32:28 KaadmY http://bzflag.org/
16:32:34 HUG_ awesome, thanks alot for the info
16:32:38 KaadmY np
16:32:50 KaadmY couple other games, too
16:33:11 KaadmY Minetest is one(similar to minecraft), it's a sandbox building game
16:33:14 bobdaduck bitfighter's definitely the best though
16:33:44 KaadmY http://www.minetest.net/
16:33:45 KaadmY yea
16:33:49 KaadmY they're all fun games :P
16:34:08 KaadmY minetest has unfortunately gotten too slow for me to play at good fps though in the last release
16:34:30 HUG_ if its slow for you, than its definately slower for me
16:34:57 KaadmY i have a craptop
16:35:02 HUG_ my old pc is an AMD Duron 1.7 GHZ with 20GB hard drive and 386 RAM memory
16:35:03 KaadmY about 15 years old, barely has opengl
16:35:08 KaadmY ah
16:35:13 KaadmY your machine sounds slower :P
16:35:25 HUG_ actually, im not in the US
16:35:30 HUG_ im in Argentina, South America
16:35:43 HUG_ my mother bought that PC in 2004
16:35:56 HUG_ it was to run as a server for a cybercafe back then
16:36:00 KaadmY i got this laptop for free :)
16:36:04 KaadmY it was broken
16:36:11 HUG_ awesome, heh
16:36:16 HUG_ oh you fixed it?  awesome deal
16:36:21 KaadmY the guy i got it from was using it besides a spa >.<
16:36:30 KaadmY some metal on here is all corroded
16:36:41 KaadmY and the plastic is a bit bent up from heat
16:36:41 HUG_ lol
16:36:46 KaadmY but, it works
16:37:07 HUG_ dude you're using a rusted laptop?
16:37:11 HUG_ how's that possible.. lol
16:37:20 bobdaduck rofl
16:37:27 KaadmY not really ruster perse
16:37:30 KaadmY rusted*
16:37:50 KaadmY stuff like the security lock thing for locking your laptop is corroded a bit
16:38:00 KaadmY and some plasic trim on the display is warped
16:38:00 HUG_ oh yeah
16:38:13 HUG_ i see
16:38:58 KaadmY whatever though :)
16:39:07 KaadmY i *thought* i was helping you install bitfighter :P
16:39:51 bobdaduck SURPIRSE
16:40:09 HUG_ im getting libvorbis
16:40:20 HUG_ done
16:40:23 HUG_ next...
16:40:34 HUG_ llibspeex
16:40:43 KaadmY libspeex isn't really required
16:40:48 KaadmY it's for voice chat ingame
16:40:51 KaadmY yes, it has that
16:41:01 KaadmY iirc you can disable it, forget how though
16:41:41 HUG_ oh i c
16:42:08 KaadmY probably simpler to install though
16:42:14 HUG_ what does "-dev" stand for?
16:42:21 KaadmY -dev means the include files
16:42:30 KaadmY you need them to compile stuff that uses the libraries
16:43:02 HUG_ ok
16:43:03 HUG_ ok i have a question: the first dependency listed at bitfighter README is "SDL"
16:43:11 HUG_ i think i installed this already for MAME
16:43:22 KaadmY shouldn't need to reinstall then
16:43:23 HUG_ how do i found out?
16:43:28 HUG_ ok
16:43:44 HUG_ now i need cmake
16:44:07 KaadmY run `/sbin/ldconfig -p | grep libSDL` to check if sdl exists
16:44:18 HUG_ 16,5mb downloading
16:44:23 KaadmY the `/sbin/ldconfig -p` prints a list of installed libraries
16:44:28 KaadmY cmake is probably pretty big
16:45:02 KaadmY it has tons of templates for compiling
16:45:05 KaadmY iirc
16:45:12 HUG_ what is iirc?
16:45:37 HUG_ ok its done
16:45:50 KaadmY iirc=if i remember correctly
16:46:06 HUG_ sorry, it wasnt 16mb, it was only 3,3mb
16:46:10 KaadmY ah
16:46:23 HUG_ it told me that i needed atleast 16mb of free space
16:46:35 HUG_ ok,, now whats next?
16:46:49 KaadmY libmobplug
16:47:10 KaadmY `sudo apt-get install libmodplug libmodplug-dev` should work
16:47:12 HUG_ done already
16:47:15 KaadmY ok
16:47:25 KaadmY now if the libs are installed correctly
16:47:29 KaadmY you can compile
16:47:38 KaadmY do you have gcc and g++?
16:47:53 HUG_ no
16:48:25 KaadmY you'll need those to actually compile anything
16:48:33 KaadmY `sudo apt-get install build-essential`
16:48:46 HUG_ it says i already have gcc
16:48:47 KaadmY that should include gcc/g++
16:48:49 KaadmY ok
16:48:53 KaadmY run the "gcc" command
16:49:11 HUG_ from the bitfighter directory?
16:49:22 KaadmY should give:
16:49:22 KaadmY gcc: fatal error: no input files
16:49:22 KaadmY compilation terminated.
16:49:31 KaadmY not in the bitfighter dir yet
16:49:32 HUG_ yes
16:49:34 HUG_ it did exactly that
16:49:53 KaadmY in the bitfighter directory(the one you downloaded/cloned from git), run `cd build`
16:50:02 HUG_ ok
16:50:13 KaadmY did that work?
16:50:41 HUG_ yes
16:50:47 HUG_ it moved to a "build" folder
16:50:50 KaadmY ok
16:50:53 KaadmY now type `cmake ..`
16:51:05 KaadmY that runs cmake with the build files from the previous directory
16:51:17 KaadmY that might take a while, might also be missing libs
16:51:49 HUG_ its working (my adrenaline is pumping)...
16:51:54 HUG_ !!!
16:52:04 KaadmY BFLogBot: shut up :P
16:52:04 BFLogBot Life is full of surprises but never when you need one. 
16:52:11 KaadmY BFLogBot: shut up :P
16:52:11 BFLogBot The intrepid Spaceman Spiff is stranded on a distant planet! ...our hero ruefully acknowledges that this happens fairly frequently... 
16:52:11 bobdaduck rofl
16:52:14 KaadmY heh
16:52:46 HUG_ configuring incomplete, error occured!
16:53:07 KaadmY what's the error?
16:53:16 KaadmY i assume missing libs?
16:53:35 HUG_ it tells me to see the smakeoutput.log file
16:53:46 KaadmY ah yes
16:53:48 HUG_ and cmakeerror.log
16:53:56 KaadmY probably missing libs
16:54:10 KaadmY can i see the last few lines of the console output from cmake?
16:54:40 HUG_ hmm. how do i copy that from the other pc to this chat?..
16:55:16 KaadmY select a region(mouse drag), press Ctrl+Shift+C, then paste into here by pressing Ctrl+V
16:55:22 HUG_ "Could NOT find PhysFS"
16:55:25 KaadmY ah
16:55:54 HUG_ "(missing: PHYSFS_LIBRARY PHYSFS_INCLUDE_DIR)"
16:56:13 KaadmY `apt-get install libphysfs1 libphysfs-dev`
16:56:17 KaadmY with sudo probably
16:56:28 KaadmY then run `cmake ..` again
16:58:41 HUG_ installing..
16:59:16 HUG_ success!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16:59:19 HUG_ :D
16:59:23 HUG_ lets try
17:00:07 HUG_ uhuh, now what?
17:00:08 HUG_ lol
17:01:02 KaadmY huh?
17:01:08 KaadmY what broke this time :P
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17:02:18 HUG_ it says "Bitfighter version: 020" "Bitfighter build version 10575" "Configuring done" "Generating done"
17:02:35 KaadmY good
17:02:38 KaadmY now run `make`
17:02:40 HUG_ "Build files have been written to: ..(the path)"
17:02:53 HUG_ ok
17:03:00 KaadmY that means cmake ran successfully and will work
17:03:02 HUG_ building..
17:03:30 KaadmY make will probably be running for a while
17:03:36 HUG_ its bulding c plus plus files
17:03:36 KaadmY probably upwards of 5 minutes iirc
17:03:41 KaadmY yep
17:03:53 KaadmY i think bitfighter is mostly C++
17:04:06 HUG_ awesome
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17:05:21 HUG_ 1% done...
17:05:26 KaadmY yep
17:05:31 KaadmY it'll probably take a while
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17:06:08 HUG_ so what did the cmake command actually do?
17:06:26 HUG_ it like tested if everying was ready to build the c (or cpp) program?
17:06:28 KaadmY cmake checks to see if all the libraries exist
17:06:31 HUG_ i mean, code
17:06:49 HUG_ so its like a step before compiling
17:06:55 KaadmY yes
17:07:00 HUG_ ok
17:07:06 KaadmY it find the libraries with the correct versions etc
17:07:15 HUG_ 6%
17:07:31 HUG_ 10%
17:07:38 HUG_ thanks alot man
17:07:48 KaadmY np
17:07:55 KaadmY still might not compile if cmake screwed up
17:07:56 KaadmY s
17:08:16 HUG_ while that running, ive got some work to do off my pc, i'll be back in a few
17:08:24 HUG_ 21%
17:08:32 KaadmY ok
17:17:15 bobdaduck :)
17:17:46 KaadmY :)
17:19:49 bobdaduck And we all just sit there smiling at each other in the silence
17:20:03 KaadmY :)
17:20:07 KaadmY yays
17:31:05 Void7 yayayaya
17:37:40 HUG_ 82%
17:38:03 KaadmY HUG_: wb :)
17:38:32 HUG_ actually i came just to check on the install process
17:38:33 HUG_ thanks
17:38:38 KaadmY np :)
17:38:49 HUG_ i'll be back in a few, thanks for the patience guys
17:38:58 KaadmY ok
17:41:57 bobdaduck I'm on the edge of my seat!  Its so exciting!
17:43:18 KaadmY *silence*
18:02:08 bobdaduck Exciting silence!
18:03:13 watusimoto Hi HUG_ -- sorry I left for a meeting, and just got back
18:03:48 watusimoto source is ALWAYS much larger than compiled programs, and a repo has several copies of different versions of the source, so it's bigger yet
18:04:31 watusimoto I've seen BF running on Ubuntu, and I've installed it (recently) for Mint, which is basically the same
18:05:44 watusimoto I did not have to compile.
18:06:29 watusimoto I think I downloaded the debian package and installed from there
18:07:56 watusimoto The Linux standalone package should work (just unzip and play), but that's not what I did
18:08:10 watusimoto what happened with you tried the debian packages?
18:09:21 HUG_ i had issues with the gdebi package installer
18:09:24 HUG_ no response
18:09:36 HUG_ and couldnt manage to install gdeb1
18:09:46 HUG_ but my installation process from source is 100% now
18:09:56 watusimoto it's working?
18:10:03 KaadmY HUG_: is the compile finished?
18:10:18 HUG_ "linking CXX executable ....."100% built target bitfighter"
18:10:23 HUG_ yes
18:10:26 HUG_ apparently
18:10:32 watusimoto I know I did not use gdebi to install the packages, because I've never heard of that before :-)
18:10:33 KaadmY okay
18:11:07 KaadmY HUG_: tried these yet? http://bitfighter.org/files/distro/debian_8/
18:11:15 watusimoto for what it's worth, my kids have played bitfighter for years, and one still actively uses it to build levels, though he doesn't play them much.  It's a great game for kids.
18:12:01 HUG_ havent tried those yet
18:12:19 HUG_ but since my comilation is finished? arent I done?
18:13:08 watusimoto yes, probably
18:13:39 HUG_ what do i have to do to launch the game now?
18:13:43 HUG_ lol
18:14:03 watusimoto You might need to move some files around, but you can try running "bitfighter" from your compile folder.
18:14:16 watusimoto i.e. the folder where the compiler built the file
18:14:27 KaadmY i think it's put in exe/ for bitfighter?
18:14:32 KaadmY or build/exe/?
18:14:33 watusimoto yes
18:14:36 watusimoto probably there
18:14:39 watusimoto (one of those)
18:14:56 watusimoto It might fail on startup due to missing resources (fonts, music, etc.)
18:15:11 KaadmY "After running 'make', the bitfighter executable is put into the directory 'exe/'. Copy everything from the 'resources/' directory into the 'exe/' directory, keeping the folders intact (like sfx, scripts, etc.). Bitfighter can now be run from the 'exe/' folder."
18:15:13 watusimoto but that's easy enough to resolve
18:15:25 watusimoto KaadmY: :-)
18:15:43 HUG_ i cant find the folder
18:16:01 KaadmY HUG_: which folder?
18:16:07 HUG_ i mean.. it says "Linking CXX executable ../../exe/bitfighter"
18:16:22 HUG_ but how do i know the entire path?
18:16:27 KaadmY that path is relative to the compiled file
18:16:44 KaadmY the binary is probably somewhere in <bitfighter root>/build/exe/
18:16:59 HUG_ found it
18:17:18 KaadmY if you run it, there'll probably a couple warnings about missing sounds of something
18:18:03 HUG_ waiting...
18:18:50 HUG_ i hit "execute" and nothing happens... atleast yet
18:18:56 HUG_ unless its loading
18:19:09 watusimoto is there a log file?
18:19:13 HUG_ no
18:19:14 watusimoto bitfighter.log, probably?
18:19:18 HUG_ just an executable
18:19:22 watusimoto then it isn't starting at all
18:19:25 HUG_ "bitfighter" (executable)
18:19:35 KaadmY HUG_: from the command line or a file manager?
18:19:39 watusimoto one of the first things that happens is the game creates a log file
18:19:54 HUG_ file manager
18:20:17 KaadmY HUG_: can you run from a command line?
18:20:33 HUG_ how?
18:20:52 HUG_ once in in the directory.. how do i run the exe file?
18:20:58 KaadmY ./bitfighter
18:21:00 watusimoto ./bitfighter
18:22:12 HUG_ "Error configuring Lua interpreter: Error compiling script ../../scripts/lua_helper_functions.lua: No such file or directory" "Could not start Lua interpreter; Exiting."
18:22:22 watusimoto Progress!
18:22:46 HUG_ lol
18:23:03 KaadmY well, it really is progress :)
18:23:08 watusimoto you need all your resource folders, including the scripts folder, sfx, levels, etc.
18:23:10 HUG_ ok
18:23:31 HUG_ wasnt all that included in the source code download?
18:23:38 KaadmY HUG_: yes
18:23:42 watusimoto BF uses Lua for scripting levels, bot, and plugins
18:23:44 KaadmY you need to move them around though
18:23:52 HUG_ oh i see
18:25:08 HUG_ was ther anyway i would know this without your help?
18:25:13 HUG_ i esteem not.. hehe
18:25:23 KaadmY HUG_: it's in the compile instructions :P
18:25:23 HUG_ anyways.. where to go from here?
18:25:28 HUG_ oh ok
18:25:38 HUG_ let me take a look
18:26:00 KaadmY in the bitfighter main folder, there should be a folder called "resources"
18:26:04 watusimoto installing from the packages would have been easier :-)
18:26:10 HUG_ oh found it
18:26:33 KaadmY HUG_: go to the same folder as the `resources` folder
18:26:38 KaadmY from a command line
18:26:53 KaadmY then run `cp -r resources build/exe`
18:26:53 watusimoto I think I did that with apt-get install on mint
18:27:15 HUG_ i copied with right click copy and paste
18:27:31 KaadmY HUG_: ok
18:27:31 HUG_ cp command is copy right?
18:27:35 KaadmY yes
18:27:42 HUG_ what's "-r"?
18:27:49 KaadmY "-r" copies recursively
18:28:00 KaadmY normally, cp just copies the file(s) you give it
18:28:02 KaadmY e
18:28:04 HUG_ for whatever that means.. i'll find it out later.. hehe
18:28:08 KaadmY :P
18:28:17 KaadmY you need it to copy folders in general
18:28:30 HUG_ now lets run the baby up!!!
18:29:08 HUG_ double clikc on exe file... "execute"... and ...
18:29:09 HUG_ ...
18:29:12 HUG_ ...
18:29:22 HUG_ ...
18:30:01 HUG_ nothing..
18:30:29 HUG_ i''l try from terminal
18:30:43 HUG_ same Lua interpreter error
18:30:57 HUG_ whats wrong?
18:31:30 HUG_ maybe it didnt copy some hidden files or folders??
18:32:13 KaadmY ahh
18:32:31 KaadmY from a terminal
18:32:40 KaadmY go inside the `resources` folder
18:32:43 watusimoto can you do an ls on folder above where bitfighter executable is?
18:32:54 KaadmY then run `../bitfighter`
18:33:04 KaadmY that should work
18:33:07 watusimoto KaadmY: good idea
18:33:10 KaadmY unless i missed something
18:33:18 watusimoto I'm going to shut up for a few minutes
18:33:34 KaadmY :P
18:33:39 KaadmY watusimoto: good idea
18:33:43 KaadmY :D
18:34:02 HUG_ bash: "No existe el archivo o el directorio" which means (The file or directory doesnt exist")
18:34:19 HUG_ im in the resource directory
18:34:29 KaadmY you have to do "../bitfighter"
18:34:34 KaadmY not "./bitfighter"
18:35:55 HUG_ i did
18:36:15 HUG_ maybe i should reboot the pc and try again?
18:36:25 KaadmY no
18:36:25 HUG_ should this type of thing happen?
18:36:34 KaadmY rebooting won't make a difference
18:36:39 HUG_ ok
18:36:46 HUG_ its not windows, right? hehe
18:36:56 HUG_ it gives me same bash error
18:37:18 HUG_ the ".." makes it go back one directory right?
18:37:23 KaadmY yes
18:37:39 HUG_ i mean.. if thats true.. that would be wrong since the bitfighter directory is in a folder named "exe"
18:37:48 KaadmY yes
18:37:51 HUG_ and resource isnt in that folder
18:38:02 HUG_ exe and resource are in the same mother folder
18:38:19 KaadmY pretty sure the folders are wrong atm
18:38:26 HUG_ or "master"
18:38:47 KaadmY you should be in the folder '<bitfighter root>/build/exe/resources/'
18:38:54 KaadmY then from there run '.../bitfighter'
18:39:01 KaadmY "../bitfighter"
18:39:14 HUG_ ohhhh wait
18:39:32 HUG_ i had to copy the entire resource folder and not just copy the contents of the folder?
18:39:41 KaadmY i think just the contents
18:40:06 HUG_ the mother folder is "bitfighter-master"
18:40:11 KaadmY yes
18:40:13 KaadmY correct
18:40:14 HUG_ in that folder theres the "exe" folder
18:40:17 KaadmY yes
18:40:18 HUG_ and the "resource" folder
18:40:33 KaadmY so "<master>/exe/resources" ?
18:40:41 HUG_ no
18:40:44 HUG_ no such folder
18:41:02 HUG_ i copied just the contents of the resource folder into the exe folder
18:41:16 watusimoto is there an exe/scripts flder?
18:41:22 HUG_ yes
18:41:29 watusimoto I think that's right
18:41:48 KaadmY for me, it's just exe/ and some files
18:41:52 KaadmY no dirs there
18:42:03 KaadmY ah nvm
18:42:13 KaadmY i didn't understand what watusimoto just said :)
18:42:41 watusimoto This is what my windows layout looks like... it should be similar in linux
18:42:42 watusimoto https://imgur.com/uRKB1mY
18:43:22 watusimoto I think your exe folder should look like this, but with linuxy files
18:43:48 HUG_ its similar
18:43:57 HUG_ but my exe folder has much less files
18:44:04 watusimoto yes, that's fine
18:44:06 HUG_ no "updater" folder
18:44:18 watusimoto that;s fine too
18:44:25 HUG_ no dlls
18:44:35 watusimoto the scripts folder is the one bitfighter is choking on
18:44:50 watusimoto you have files in the scripts folder?
18:44:58 watusimoto (13 or so?)
18:44:58 HUG_ yes
18:45:03 HUG_ including that lua interpreter
18:45:16 HUG_ 13
18:45:44 HUG_ i mean.. "lue_helper_functions.lua" included
18:45:59 watusimoto ok
18:46:03 HUG_ thats the file that supposedly is missing
18:46:12 watusimoto so... the error message you showed earlier was:
18:46:12 watusimoto Error configuring Lua interpreter: Error compiling script ../../scripts/lua_helper_functions.lua: No such file or directory" "Could not start Lua interpreter; Exiting.
18:46:36 watusimoto you are running from the exe folder, but it is looking for scripts in ../../scripts instead of scripts
18:46:39 HUG_ yea.. i summed up the path though with the "../.."
18:46:50 watusimoto ah, ok
18:47:02 watusimoto can you show me the full error message?
18:48:00 HUG_ Error configuring Lua interpreter: Error compiling script /home/hugo/.bitfighter/scripts/lua_helper_functions.lua: No such file or directory" "Could not start Lua interpreter; Exiting.
18:48:09 HUG_ i get it now
18:48:14 HUG_ i see the problem.. i think
18:48:14 watusimoto !!!!
18:48:16 HUG_ its the path
18:48:18 watusimoto yes
18:48:19 watusimoto ok
18:48:24 watusimoto I think I understand
18:48:39 watusimoto so the game actually looks for files first in your home folder
18:48:48 watusimoto this is handled when you install from a package
18:49:02 watusimoto so create a .bitfighter folder in /home/hugo
18:49:11 HUG_ okk
18:49:15 watusimoto and copy the scripts folder (and the others) there
18:49:18 HUG_ i get it
18:49:24 watusimoto and let's see if that does it
18:49:38 HUG_ you mean i copy all the contents of the exe folder?
18:49:44 watusimoto the idea is that you can have one bitfighter install, but different users can have different files associated with them
18:49:45 watusimoto no
18:50:02 watusimoto the fonts, levels, music, robots, scripts, sfx, and editor_plugins folders
18:50:23 watusimoto so you have /home/hugo/.bitfighter/scripts, etc.
18:50:27 HUG_ testing folder too?
18:50:39 watusimoto optional
18:50:43 HUG_ ok
18:50:47 watusimoto no, you won't need it
18:50:56 HUG_ that would be every folder but testing folder
18:51:01 watusimoto yes
18:51:02 HUG_ from the exe folder
18:51:07 watusimoto yes
18:51:59 HUG_ i cant create it from the file manager
18:52:09 HUG_ it says that the file already exists
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18:52:37 HUG_ when i try to create the folder name ".bitfighter"
18:52:56 HUG_ do i try creating the folder from terminal?
18:54:22 HUG_ mkdir?
18:54:51 watusimoto maybe the folder already exists!  Folders starting with "." are invisible by default
18:55:33 HUG_ you're right, its there
18:55:54 HUG_ hey, it already has the folders
18:56:03 HUG_ but the script folder is empty
18:56:15 HUG_ lol this is craziness
18:56:39 watusimoto it may be that BF tried to create the folders when it first ran
18:56:44 HUG_ let me just paste on top of everything
18:56:48 watusimoto you are definitely doing this the hard way!
18:56:56 watusimoto but you're in the home stretch!
18:57:13 HUG_ ok done
18:57:30 watusimoto is it late where you aer?
18:57:50 HUG_ nah, its 20:00hs
18:58:32 HUG_ woopie!! its running!!
18:59:13 HUG_ :DDDD
19:00:59 HUG_ aw man i think i have to configure some network configuration or something
19:01:01 KaadmY HUG_: join the server with players or -1 players
19:01:09 HUG_ because it shoes "no games online"
19:01:33 HUG_ "There are currently no games online. Why dont you host one?"
19:02:20 watusimoto are you hug0?
19:02:30 HUG_ yes
19:02:31 watusimoto if so, I see you are connected to the master server
19:02:35 HUG_ and the other is "marcos"
19:02:38 HUG_ my other pc is "marcos"
19:02:47 watusimoto (and Zemmer is my son :-)
19:02:53 watusimoto he's also online
19:02:58 KaadmY i'm playing with Zemmer :P
19:03:02 HUG_ ok
19:03:06 watusimoto ha!!!
19:03:08 HUG_ do you guys see "marcos?"
19:03:17 watusimoto I see marcos online as well
19:03:27 HUG_ it says "SERVERS: 0"
19:03:28 watusimoto ok, try hosting a game, and I'll see if it shows up
19:03:42 HUG_ hosting from "marcos"?
19:03:46 watusimoto sure
19:04:00 HUG_ you wont hack me right? lol
19:04:05 HUG_ it started
19:04:16 watusimoto ok, I see there are now 6 servers online
19:04:28 watusimoto so your machine is able to connect to the master server, on some level
19:04:38 watusimoto now why don't you see the other 5?
19:04:45 watusimoto can you see your marcos server from hugo?
19:05:03 watusimoto (it would be very hard to hack your server using bitfighter as a vehicle!)
19:05:26 HUG_ i see a "pinged time out"
19:06:10 watusimoto Ok... I'm guessing there is a firewall issue somewhere
19:06:30 KaadmY someone's playing called "hog0"
19:06:30 watusimoto is there a firewall between your two servers?  Or are they both on your home network?
19:06:35 KaadmY hug0 i mean
19:06:44 KaadmY or hugO
19:06:47 HUG_ thats me
19:06:59 watusimoto (you can see this on the bitfighter.org home page)
19:07:06 HUG_ no network
19:07:24 HUG_ i mean.. our PCs arent linked as a LAN
19:07:37 watusimoto ok, so they're essentially using the internet as a lan
19:08:35 HUG_ yeah
19:08:47 HUG_ i guess its my only option for now
19:08:53 watusimoto I'm on your server, I think
19:09:03 HUG_ i dont know how to link the two PCs since they are two different OS
19:09:10 watusimoto that's fine
19:09:21 watusimoto it shouldn't amtter.... I'm just trying to understand the situation
19:09:51 watusimoto what OS is Hug0 on?
19:09:58 HUG_ wait a sec
19:10:07 HUG_ "marcos" is running a different version
19:10:11 HUG_ its 020 version
19:10:15 watusimoto ah... ok
19:10:18 watusimoto that's the problem
19:10:19 HUG_ and "hug0" is running 019e
19:10:22 watusimoto ok
19:10:25 watusimoto I understand
19:10:49 HUG_ and there no sound on the 020 version
19:10:52 watusimoto every major version change (019->020) breaks the protocol, and the versions are incompatible
19:10:58 HUG_ atleast i dont think my speakers are wrong
19:11:00 watusimoto 020 is not released
19:11:06 watusimoto it is broken in so many ways
19:11:12 HUG_ i see
19:11:12 watusimoto 019e is what you want
19:11:19 watusimoto so
19:11:20 watusimoto ok
19:11:23 HUG_ so..
19:11:29 watusimoto you installed 020 from source, no?
19:11:46 HUG_ yes
19:11:49 watusimoto and 019e from the website on win or mac?
19:11:52 watusimoto ok
19:11:56 HUG_ win
19:11:59 watusimoto so... all that work was for not
19:12:22 HUG_ "hug0" is the account im using on my actual laptop.. the one im using to chat right now with you guys.. and its windows vista
19:12:30 watusimoto let's go back to the .deb files, and see if you can install them via apt-get
19:12:48 watusimoto the alternative is to download the 019e source, and rebuild that
19:13:05 HUG_ the 019e isnt included in the 020 source download?
19:13:17 HUG_ its a whole different source?
19:13:17 watusimoto where did you download from?
19:13:29 HUG_ github website
19:13:39 HUG_ that was posted on the bitfighter website
19:13:52 watusimoto you downloaded the latest source
19:14:12 watusimoto (which is what people generally want)
19:14:25 HUG_ if its not ready.. maybe they shouldnt post it publically yet?? or is it beta testing?
19:14:30 watusimoto on the github site, you need to select the bitfighter-019e source
19:14:51 watusimoto Under the branch: dropdown, select tags, and 019e
19:15:08 HUG_ ok.. if i dont the 020 source.. i'de like to delete it all first to free up space
19:15:23 watusimoto most people don't try to build this from source, or they'll grab the source archive we provide on the website
19:15:36 watusimoto you are doing this the aboslute most difficult way :-)
19:15:41 HUG_ but before downloading the 019e source.. maybe i could try the other install methods you guys suggested earlier
19:15:46 watusimoto yes
19:15:58 watusimoto let me show you the right source, first
19:16:11 watusimoto actually, you can just download the correct source on the bf downloads page
19:16:20 watusimoto in any event...
19:16:40 watusimoto grab the amd64 file from here:
19:16:40 watusimoto http://bitfighter.org/files/distro/debian_8/
19:16:53 watusimoto (assuming you hae a 64 bit computer)
19:17:29 HUG_ no, its 32 bit.. its an ollllddd PC
19:17:35 watusimoto ok, then grab the other one
19:17:40 HUG_ AMD Duron 1,7 GHZ, 386 RAM
19:17:45 watusimoto bitfighter works well on onld computers
19:17:48 HUG_ 20GB Hard disk
19:17:52 watusimoto wow
19:17:56 watusimoto you're pushing it
19:18:30 HUG_ do i open with or do i save in downloads folder?
19:19:00 HUG_ im using Lubuntu 14.04
19:19:03 HUG_ as OS
19:19:13 HUG_ freshly installed days ago
19:19:35 watusimoto put the file somewhere, perhaps /tmp
19:19:38 watusimoto and use this:
19:19:39 watusimoto sudo dpkg -i DEB_PACKAGE
19:19:39 HUG_ hoping to give some use to this old PC that was just accumulating dust hidden somewhere in my house
19:20:09 watusimoto Though at this point, I'm just following these instructions:
19:20:10 watusimoto https://askubuntu.com/questions/40779/how-do-i-install-a-deb-file-via-the-command-line
19:20:13 HUG_ is /tmp and existing folder or do i have to create it?
19:20:20 watusimoto it should exist
19:20:33 watusimoto open a terminal and do ls /
19:20:36 watusimoto you should see it there
19:20:42 HUG_ ok i'll give that a try
19:20:54 HUG_ im downloading to the Downloads folder
19:21:27 HUG_ done
19:23:19 HUG_ working.... unpacking....
19:23:27 HUG_ errors...
19:24:08 HUG_ ok seems that i need a newer version of a certain library
19:24:41 HUG_ libstdc++6... i have 4.8.4
19:25:23 KaadmY HUG_: try http://bitfighter.org/files/bitfighter-019e-linux-standalone.tar.gz
19:25:31 KaadmY that works perfectly for me
19:25:36 KaadmY download, untar, run
19:26:00 HUG_ ok lets see
19:26:56 HUG_ downloading
19:36:36 HUG_ success
19:37:00 HUG_ !!!!!!!! :DDD
19:38:38 KaadmY !
19:38:40 KaadmY !commands
19:38:44 KaadmY !watusimoto
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19:45:55 HUG_ hey guys.. it works on the Lubuntu PC.. its just a bit slow
19:46:04 HUG_ any work around for this?
19:46:10 KaadmY HUG_: probably not :/
19:46:12 HUG_ i mean... just a bit
19:46:35 HUG_ and if i add some more RAM memory to the PC?
19:46:43 KaadmY probably just a slow cpu
19:46:43 HUG_ cuz i was planning on adding some anyway
19:46:55 KaadmY ram probably won't change performance much
19:47:02 KaadmY bitfighter shouldn't use *that* much mem
19:47:15 watusimoto workaround for slow?
19:47:15 HUG_ cuz the motherboard takes 1GB of RAM.. but it only has 386 MB right now
19:47:46 HUG_ yeah... i mean... it works fine.. just a bit slow..
19:47:52 watusimoto faster computer :-)
19:47:55 watusimoto how slow is it
19:48:02 KaadmY 1.7ghz iirc
19:48:04 watusimoto press F6 in game and see what your FPS is
19:48:08 KaadmY forget how many cores
19:48:11 HUG_ ok
19:48:15 KaadmY AMD Duron 1,7 GHZ, 386 RAM
19:48:52 KaadmY i have 2 core 1.2ghz intel
19:49:02 HUG_ 5 fps
19:49:07 KaadmY yea
19:49:10 KaadmY that *is* slow
19:49:12 watusimoto ok... it's probably your graphics card
19:49:15 HUG_ 7 fps
19:49:24 watusimoto you can get similar framerates on a raspberry pi
19:49:26 HUG_ 4, 5 , 7 fps
19:49:27 KaadmY i have intel integrated, bitfighter runs smooth
19:50:03 HUG_ graphics card? ok
19:50:07 watusimoto I think you'll find if you were to host a game (without the gui, from the cmd line), it would perform quite well.  It's the graphics that are the problem
19:50:12 watusimoto that's my guess
19:50:35 HUG_ maybe i should have ubuntu search for the latest drivers for the graphics card?
19:50:39 HUG_ its onboard
19:50:41 watusimoto sure
19:50:53 HUG_ i'll give that a try later on
19:51:17 HUG_ and a cheap video card would help right?
19:51:27 watusimoto but if it's really old, it may just not have the right command set to run bf (or any other modernish game) well
19:51:31 watusimoto probably yes
19:51:49 watusimoto you'd need to find one that worked with your computer
19:51:52 watusimoto maybe a used one
19:53:03 HUG_ the motherboard it has 2 empty PCI slots and a slot of the older technology  before PCI
19:53:24 watusimoto if you were here in my town, I could get you a graphics card for about $10
19:53:39 watusimoto we have a great computer salvage organization
19:53:41 HUG_ AGP
20:43:31 watusimoto Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
21:21:57 HUG_ hey guys im back
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21:22:11 HUG_ so back to my video card issue
21:22:25 HUG_ this is what the manual of my motherboard says: "This mainboard has an AMD Duron Processor. This mainboard uses the SiS730S chipset that integrates a 128-bit AGP Graphics Accelerator, and provides an optional 2X/4X AGP slot for highly graphics display, the CPU Plug & Play through firmware, Ultra DMA 33/66/100 function."
21:22:46 HUG_ and i was incorrect about the processor. i sad it was 1.7GHZ, its only 1.26GHZ
21:23:13 HUG_ but i still esteem its the video card issue and not the processor the problem
21:24:17 HUG_ also, i'd like to remove everything from the 020 version install of bitfighter, to free that space on disk
21:37:49 HUG_ the manual also states this regarding the video card: Notice for AGP4X Slot: This mainboard provides an optional AGP4x slot. We recommend the user should use one of the AGP VGA cards that we have tested. We will test more AGP VGA cards in the future. Users may get this information from our World Wide Web at www.pcchips.com.tw. Model Chipset Memory Manufacture GeForce 2 GTS 32M Winfast GeForce 2 GTS DDR 32M MSI MS-8815 GeForce 2 GTS
21:38:30 HUG_ GeForce 3 DDR 64M ELSA GLADIAC 920 Matrox Millennium G400 32M Matrox NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Vanta 32M Top solution RIVA TNT2 32M ASUS AGP-V3800 Xaber 200 64M ECS AG200T8-D64 V1.0 AGP Run 1X
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