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04:47:05BFLogBot Comment on issue #618 | User: raptor | Comment: Hey this looks pretty good. I suggest 2 minor changes: 1. Don't add a variable to GameSettings unless it's also a comma ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/pull/618#issuecomment-632042249
07:46:37BFLogBot Issue #619 opened by raptor | Title: Port graphics layer to GLES2 | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/619
07:47:06BFLogBot Comment on issue #533 | User: raptor | Comment: Moved to issue #619 ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/533#issuecomment-632127421
07:47:06BFLogBot Issue #533 closed by raptor | Title: Eliminate glPushMatrix and glPopMatrix | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/533
07:48:36BFLogBot Comment on issue #618 | User: bobdaduck | Comment: Let me know if I missed anything, thanks! ... | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/pull/618#issuecomment-632128246
07:59:15BFLogBot Pull request #618 closed by bobdaduck | Title: Add UI for Global Levelgen from Host menu | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/pull/618
07:59:17BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 7f28e5a225 | Author: bobdaduck | Message: Add Menu UI
07:59:18BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 465ef61b6d | Author: bobdaduck | Message: Make changes raptor suggested
07:59:20BFLogBot Repo: bitfighter | Commit: 0b9f48c257 | Author: raptor | Message: Merge pull request #618 from bobdaduck/Add_Global_Levelgen_UI Add UI for Global Levelgen from Host menu
08:08:04BFLogBot Issue #615 closed by bobdaduck | Title: Add Global Script option to Hosting menu | https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/615
08:46:06BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> imagine not having the snipping tool pinned to the taskbar
08:47:35BFDiscordBridge<raptor> BFLogBot
08:47:35BFLogBotMy life needs a rewind/erase button. -- Calvin
08:47:54BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I really hate you can scroll loop trough the weapons one way but not the otehr way
08:48:08BFDiscordBridge<amgine> it makes switching from first weapon to third weapon slower
08:48:34BFDiscordBridge<amgine> Hey bob can you get me a screen shot of the module infomation as well
08:49:39BFDiscordBridge<raptor> That may have been intentional by watusimoto, not sure
08:50:55BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I really hate it it makes no sense
08:51:46BFDiscordBridge<amgine> being able to from from my third weapon to my second weapon and first weapon instantly is nice but then having to go from the first to the third takes longer which sucks
08:52:03BFDiscordBridge<amgine> Also wheres the information for module energy usage
08:52:07BFDiscordBridge<amgine> stored
08:52:54BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> ShipItems.h = modules Ship.h = ship stuff gameWeapons.h = weapons
08:53:51BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I kinda wanna look at the module information as well but I dont know how to do the whole build thing just to see it unless theres a way to see it without downloading the reposirtory
08:54:10BFDiscordBridge<raptor> use the github search - it's pretty good
08:55:07BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> @amgine I posted all 3
08:56:34BFDiscordBridge<amgine> thanks
08:57:04BFDiscordBridge<amgine> huh never knew repair and cloak had the same energy usage kinda itneresting since it feels like cloak runs out slower
08:58:10BFDiscordBridge<raptor> I love that energy is 100000 and health is 1.0
09:13:37BFDiscordBridge<amgine> ^^
09:13:52BFDiscordBridge<amgine> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/280140416752549890/713054074488094760/unknown.png?width=1290&height=387 these values should really be set to false I think
09:14:41BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> Vote: https://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3098
09:14:46BFDiscordBridge<amgine> not very healthy for game play when items that are supposed to be on your team to assist you to win detrement your team
09:14:58BFDiscordBridge<amgine> (especilly mines)
09:15:33BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Friendly fire can be extremely healthy for game play
09:17:08BFDiscordBridge<amgine> its not
09:17:24BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> I can write a script that turns all projectiles hostile, that would be friendly fire
09:17:26BFDiscordBridge<raptor> it was hilarious for sky_lark's recent video...
09:18:04BFDiscordBridge<amgine> its not healthy as it detrements game play and enroucages trolling and greifing
09:18:16BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Not really
09:18:23BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Trolls will find a way to troll regardless
09:18:33BFDiscordBridge<amgine> whoever voted yes clearly has no brain and has not played enough online to know team fire is bad
09:18:51BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> I play plenty of online games that have friendly fire lol
09:19:04BFDiscordBridge<amgine> and is the reason the game will continue to stay in a unhealthy state
09:19:12BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> That’s the opposite of true
09:19:29BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> I don’t think there was a single person that stopped playing because a friendly mine killed them
09:19:32BFDiscordBridge<amgine> probably voted yes just because they are the tyupe of person that wants to conintue to ruin the game by being able to greif
09:19:44BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> lol I don’t even grief
09:19:48BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> griefing is fun
09:19:56BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> I just think its weird for turrets specifically
09:20:17BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> I think the amount of times I’ve been killed by my own turret I could count on my hands
09:20:19BFDiscordBridge<amgine> its not it ruins the game as a whole games should not have friednly fire ever
09:20:28BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> And when I have the map has been intentionally designed for that
09:20:41BFDiscordBridge<raptor> Don't we have this exact discussion every 2-3 years?
09:20:46BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Probably
09:20:49BFDiscordBridge<amgine> yes
09:21:35BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I keep insisting anyone who says friednly fire is good for bitfigther is a idiot and its really not heatlhy for any game but oc trollers and greifers gonna insist on game state being unable to improve
09:21:41BFDiscordBridge<amgine> been doing it for years
09:21:42BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> amgine did you know that Super Smash Bro’s tournaments are required to have friendly fire on because it forces the players to think about their actions and work as a team instead of simply spamming things?
09:21:47BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> you shouldn't call people idiots
09:22:01BFDiscordBridge<amgine> the game would be in a way better state if friednly fire was removed and the game balanced
09:22:16BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Lots of people disagree with you there
09:22:18BFDiscordBridge<amgine> and friendly fire was made a game setting
09:22:25BFDiscordBridge<amgine> so it could be turned on situationlly
09:22:46BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> @Skybax I could write a friendly fire script very easily
09:22:51BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> So every map you have to double check and see if it’s on or not? Sounds lame
09:23:02BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> And with my new code changes you could run a server with that as a global levvelgen script
09:23:34BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Like turn every single weapon on?
09:23:41BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> yeah
09:23:55BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> Or could just do specific weapons, it is not difficult
09:24:01BFDiscordBridge<amgine> not on a map basic on a server basis
09:24:09BFDiscordBridge<amgine> and turning it on and off would notify players
09:24:44BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> Well its good etiquette whenever you have a map that has special rules that you let players know
09:24:50BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> I.e. DND has an extensive help system
09:25:13BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> But you can just put serverdescription "friendly-fire enabled server!" or w/e
09:25:17BFDiscordBridge<amgine> yep 2 idjits deciced to vote on friednly fire and t eam killing being healthy for the game seems good
09:25:21BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> I wouldn’t say that making every weapon do friendly fire is a good idea. But I definitely think mines should stay friendly fire
09:25:41BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> amgine this is your problem. You think anyone who doesn’t agree with you is an idiot
09:26:01BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I have been in soooooo many online communitys over the years to know friednly fire doesnt work
09:26:01BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> @Skybax it will be this easy:
09:26:01BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325743140059480065/713065069839253544/unknown.png
09:26:24BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> Mine friendly fire makes sense
09:26:35BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> Its only turrets killing you that doesn't make sense
09:26:36BFDiscordBridge<raptor> Speaking of that menu now - we need to move some options into a sub-menu, name something like ADVANCED or somesuch
09:26:37BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> amgine I don’t see how that has anything to do with anything lol
09:26:38BFDiscordBridge<amgine> mine friednly fire doesnt make sense
09:26:54BFDiscordBridge<amgine> thats the exact case of a item not making sense
09:26:57BFDiscordBridge<raptor> because as a dev team we are adamantly opposed to scrolling
09:27:30BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> The scrolling experience is pretty seamless though
09:27:46BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> Well mines are obviously avoidable
09:28:11BFDiscordBridge<amgine> @raptor but it sucks so much when I can switch to my third weapon to my first weapon in a combat sitation to adapt but then cant switch from my first weapon to teh third
09:28:22BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> But turrets are like, AI controlled, they don't really try not to shoot at you. Having a friendly turret is basically like having another enemy to worry about
09:28:46BFDiscordBridge<amgine> having friendly turrets that damage you defeats the point
09:29:11BFDiscordBridge<amgine> they just act as another hostile turrets that doesnt defend yuor base because they will kill you making it so you cant defend
09:29:20BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> amgine I doubt it sucks that much when it’s literally just one extra scroll
09:30:23BFDiscordBridge<amgine> it reallly sucks
09:30:30BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> I think you’re being dramatic
09:30:36BFDiscordBridge<amgine> those extra frames add up and cause alot of dumb deaths
09:31:05BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> I don’t think your dumb deaths have anything to do with it taking .2 seconds longer for you to change to your third weapon
09:31:43BFDiscordBridge<amgine> it really does make a difference though and it doesnt make sense from a costitacny stand point
09:32:10BFDiscordBridge<amgine> that 3 to 1 is allowed but not 1 to 3
09:32:27BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> It kind of does. The first weapon is usually the primary. It would make sense that it’s easier to switch back to your universally useful primary than it would be to switch to, say, mines
09:32:38BFDiscordBridge<raptor> If you think there is an issue, please open a bug report and write it super simply (with no assumptions)
09:34:29BFDiscordBridge<raptor> in this case, the a likely fix may be to stop at the 3rd just like the first - but I honestly think this behavior was added intentionally by one of the other devs
09:34:32BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> It would probably be better just to do a poll in bitfighter features
09:34:42BFDiscordBridge<amgine> lol 3 people voted no on your own turrets killing you YET cant give a single valid reason why
09:35:07BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> We can give plenty just not any you’d accept
09:35:18BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> Yeah their reasons are valid
09:35:22BFDiscordBridge<amgine> if you have a reason you gotta post or basicly your vote is invalitdated as it doesnt mean anything
09:35:28BFDiscordBridge<amgine> on the thread
09:35:33BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> That’s inaccurate
09:35:53BFDiscordBridge<amgine> if you cant back up why your right it doesnt mean anything
09:36:16BFDiscordBridge<amgine> thats like saying the sky is green when your blind and others have to assume your right even though its not
09:36:53BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> Well so far people want turrets to keep being able to kill you so it will probably stay that way
09:37:04BFDiscordBridge<amgine> but they didnt post a single valid reason
09:37:10BFDiscordBridge<amgine> the peope who were for it actully said why
09:37:20BFDiscordBridge<amgine> as far as im concerned there votes are invalid
09:37:24BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> Yeah but you have to make it a game the community will like
09:37:35BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> not just a few people
09:37:38BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> We probably just don’t want to be dragged into another argument with you about it lol
09:38:04BFDiscordBridge<amgine> the community just wants to encourage a game that supports greifing and trollin and trust me I ahve seen alot of games die because of it
09:38:16BFDiscordBridge<amgine> friednly fire is never a good thing
09:38:23BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Hard disagree
09:38:26BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> @raptor Cut me some slack though it is a recurring argument but I haven't had it since my mission so its fresh again for me πŸ˜›
09:38:32BFDiscordBridge<raptor> no one dies more than me - it's my favorite part of the game
09:38:53BFDiscordBridge<raptor> except maybe watusimoto
09:39:06BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Devs die the most I think
09:39:47BFDiscordBridge<amgine> what ever happened to sam he dropped off a few years ago never heard what happened with him
09:40:49BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> No idea
09:41:11BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> I miss _k tho
09:41:23BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I mean if you look at most major competive games friednly fire is frowned on because people will troll and greif
09:41:45BFDiscordBridge<amgine> _k doesnt ring a bell
09:41:56BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I remember yoshi sam zombie
09:42:04BFDiscordBridge<amgine> lamp
09:42:12BFDiscordBridge<amgine> who else is way older
09:42:15BFDiscordBridge<amgine> and not around
09:42:25BFDiscordBridge<raptor> Didn't _k leave because we added SlipZones?
09:42:33BFDiscordBridge<raptor> which are not official
09:42:39BFDiscordBridge<raptor> or was it because of the dungeons
09:42:39BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> I have no idea why he left
09:42:40BFDiscordBridge<amgine> slip zones were a terrible idea tbh
09:42:55BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> i thought he went to start his own business?
09:43:05BFDiscordBridge<raptor> i think he wanted competitive play and Bitfighter was moving more creative
09:43:13BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Pshhh
09:43:16BFDiscordBridge<raptor> oh yeah, real life stuff is always the likely primary reason
09:43:19BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> He should come back
09:43:30BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> so raptor
09:43:33BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> how about SUNS
09:43:46BFDiscordBridge<amgine> @raptor remember that whiel years ago I went on a mass posting spree and you had to threaten to make it so I couldnt post πŸ˜„
09:44:38BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> amgine that’s almost me right now
09:46:05BFDiscordBridge<raptor> yes, and that threat stands for anyone who just wants to be the last poster on every... single... post... Nothing bugs me more than seeing the posts, some of which were dug up from years earlier, all now have a single name on the most-recent list
09:46:15BFDiscordBridge<raptor> I question the motivations of that person
09:46:23BFDiscordBridge<amgine> snickers
09:46:23BFDiscordBridge<ChumpChange> Nice shooting @amgine! You just ranked up to level 6 !
09:47:11BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> @π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚ #programming-with-bob
09:47:27BFDiscordBridge<raptor> Footie: I have a no-comment policy on extremely experimental script items
09:47:45BFDiscordBridge<raptor> except for ridicule, of course...
09:47:48BFDiscordBridge<raptor> :)
09:48:21BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> aww
09:48:29BFDiscordBridge<amgine> heads over to the forums to necro a few hudnred threads
09:48:33BFDiscordBridge<amgine> @raptor
09:48:44BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> :donotdo:
10:03:24BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> This my second ever commit to the repository though @raptor
10:03:53BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> I also did the change where the time remaining turns red when there's 10 seconds left
10:09:21BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> With amgine necroing tons of posts on the forums I found this cool idea Wat had a while ago
10:09:21BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325743140059480065/713075974887047199/image0.png
10:09:25BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> We should make this a thing
10:09:45BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> We also talked about extending the range of the repair beam only for allied ships lol
10:10:49BFDiscordBridge<Quartz> Wat’s first two ideas there are great.
10:11:09BFDiscordBridge<Quartz> As far as repair goes, yea β€” extend the heck out of the range for healing friendly ships. β€˜Nuff said!
10:19:20BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I also considered a double tap heal should be great I ahve been saying for a really long time the slip on repair is terrible.
10:20:08BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Idk if I like a double tap heal. Nobody would sit around to heal if you could double tap every time
10:20:44BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I mean you could make it say a 100% cost so you would repair more if you slow headed the the tmporary fast heal
10:22:40BFDiscordBridge<amgine> @Skybax also thats why sometimes going back can be good great ideas get lost in the sea of time
10:22:59BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Going back and reading is good, gravedigging is not
10:25:11BFDiscordBridge<raptor> amgine, you're a hair shy from an indefinite ban
10:26:04BFDiscordBridge<amgine> what did I do raptor :/
10:26:05BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> @amgine you do not need to post on every single topic
10:26:06BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325743140059480065/713080188916990072/unknown.png
10:26:24BFDiscordBridge<amgine> you relize most of those last posts I did were from the ones years ago right
10:26:52BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> I understand you have opinions but you need to learn to choose your battles, some of these things are just not imporant
10:27:00BFDiscordBridge<raptor> yes, and I may start randomly deleting posts
10:27:02BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Six of those are necro’d threads
10:29:23BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I wanted to revisit some of those ideas and see if peopels opinions have changed without creating a new thread ( though maybe thats the better way to go
10:29:45BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> New thread is better, with a reference to the old thread
10:29:59BFDiscordBridge<amgine> some of those old ideas like watts repair idea and armor idea are really worht revisiting
10:30:04BFDiscordBridge<amgine> ok ill do that in the future
10:30:14BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> But also just like, if you have opinions on everything, then your opinions mean less to everyone, its supply and demand
10:30:48BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Also now that you’re a Lieutenant you can use the #idea-lab while following the rules in #read-me-first
10:31:03BFDiscordBridge<raptor> amgine, the highdpi issue is here: https://github.com/bitfighter/bitfighter/issues/609
10:31:18BFDiscordBridge<raptor> I recommend searching the github issues for things before posting
10:31:40BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> That too
10:32:20BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> would there be a reason i can't throw bitfighter from my laptop screen to a secondary monitor via hdmi
10:32:32BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> Even then there's 136 outstanding issues on github for a reason
10:32:58BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> Footie: probably something with your desktop setup, not bitfighter specific
10:33:09BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> okie
10:33:54BFDiscordBridge<amgine> @Skybax I dont have permissions to post in sky lab at least last I cheked πŸ˜„
10:34:11BFDiscordBridge<raptor> monitor/video/screen related issues are going to get worse as the years progress
10:34:28BFDiscordBridge<raptor> especially on systems like OSX
10:34:35BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> i'm windows!
10:34:57BFDiscordBridge<raptor> they are one class of bugs that i'd like to keep up with because they are super visible to the user
10:35:18BFDiscordBridge<Little_Apple> amgine, if you want to revisit a bunch of old ideas, compile ALL of them into one new thread
10:35:26BFDiscordBridge<amgine> @raptor with your permission I found a really good idea on the old forums I wantred to create a new thread and see where people stand on it all these years later πŸ™‚
10:35:27BFDiscordBridge<raptor> @Footie 🐧 what does 'throw' to your secondary monitor mean?
10:35:33BFDiscordBridge<Little_Apple> make it a one stop shop instead of monopolizing the entire forum
10:35:38BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> drag between screens
10:35:46BFDiscordBridge<raptor> amgine, you don't need my permission to make good judgement
10:35:55BFDiscordBridge<amgine> @Little_Apple to many topics on one thread beecomes a jumbled mess
10:36:22BFDiscordBridge<raptor> @Footie 🐧 oh really? what happens?
10:36:24BFDiscordBridge<Little_Apple> too many replies all over the forum is a bigger mess
10:36:29BFDiscordBridge<raptor> when you drag it ober, i mean
10:36:31BFDiscordBridge<raptor> *over
10:37:15BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> @Footie 🐧 right click on your desktop and go to display settings and monitors, there should be a setting for "duplicate display" and what arrangement your monitors are in
10:37:19BFDiscordBridge<raptor> @amgine Little_Apple's advice is good - make a single post saying something like "Here are all these old ideas I found..."
10:37:31BFDiscordBridge<amgine> Ok ill do that if its ok
10:37:44BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I found a really good aidea from apple I forgot about
10:37:53BFDiscordBridge<amgine> browsing around
10:38:48BFDiscordBridge<raptor> amgine another good practice is to add link to the old topic from your new one, too. That way each idea in your post people can go to the history
10:39:25BFDiscordBridge<amgine> Like I had forgotten about this thread https://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2702
10:40:31BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> @amgine there is no point to making that a full bitfighter feature when it can be levelgen'd with just like 6 lines of code
10:40:54BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> I could build that in less than 5 minutes
10:40:55BFDiscordBridge<amgine> not everyone knows how to level gen though or wants to learn
10:41:04BFDiscordBridge<amgine> it should be easilly acessable
10:41:12BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> Then you can just ask someone to levelgen it for you
10:41:19BFDiscordBridge<amgine> also the idea comes from another similar game called Tagpro and it works really really really well
10:41:35BFDiscordBridge<amgine> @π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚ ok can you level gen it for me
10:41:45BFDiscordBridge<raptor> that recent poll is hilarious
10:43:25BFDiscordBridge<π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚> I remember when I was at the peak of my gameplay ability I was killed by friendly turrets at least twice as often as I was killed by any actual players so it seems obvious to me that its a bad feature, but if people disagree then w/e I'll drop it for now
10:43:56BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> okay so:
10:44:16BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> with my tv set as main monitor i can only have bitfighter on it in windowed mode
10:44:30BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> switch to anything else and it sends it back to my laptop screen
10:44:54BFDiscordBridge<raptor> ok, thanks Footie 🐧
10:45:00BFDiscordBridge<raptor> i can work with that
10:45:11BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> @amgine You can access the #idea-lab now, that's why I said "now that you're a Lieutenant"
10:45:34BFDiscordBridge<amgine> @Skybax ty been waiting a while for that a long long long long wihle
10:45:58BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Just make sure you follow the posting guidelines in #read-me-first
10:46:16BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> this is what it puts on my laptop (note it changed out of windowed mode)
10:46:16BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325743140059480065/713085261956907128/20200521_134450.jpg
10:46:23BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> but it keeps this on my monitor
10:46:23BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325743140059480065/713085295242772540/20200521_134534.jpg
10:48:27BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> and with my laptop as main monitor i can't alt-tab out of bitfighter unless it's in windowed mode which makes me sad
10:49:15BFDiscordBridge<raptor> oh yeah - that is normal behavior
10:49:20BFDiscordBridge<raptor> it minimizes
10:49:28BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> aww
10:49:54BFDiscordBridge<raptor> you want it to stay fullscreen background with other windows on top?
10:50:03BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> yeah!
10:50:20BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> say i'm making a penguin map and have reference pictures open on my monitor
10:50:33BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> i want to be able to tab out but have bitfighter stay open full screen for comparison
10:51:11BFDiscordBridge<raptor> oh, so tab out with it on one monitor to an app on another?
10:51:16BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> yeah!
10:51:51BFDiscordBridge<raptor> that would be useful... but it'll require some research and may not ultimately be workable (just so your hopes don't get too high :)
10:52:26BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> okay
10:52:29BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> πŸ™ƒ
10:52:41BFDiscordBridge<Footie 🐧> i appreciate it anyways!
10:53:16BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I kinda had another dumb thought about that thats slighly related windwos OS should have a way to order and keep windwos on top of another or always keep a window on top :p
10:53:34BFDiscordBridge<amgine> right click lower layer
10:53:41BFDiscordBridge<amgine> right click upper layer
11:00:44BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Having Bitfighter stay fullscreen even when tabbing out would be amazing
11:00:51BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Screenshots would be a lot easier as well
11:00:53BFDiscordBridge<amgine> ^^
11:01:02BFDiscordBridge<amgine> I actully agree with skybax for once
13:02:24BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> @raptor You probably already fixed it, but I noticed that editing the values of items (like delay or regen) also seems to change the view
13:03:11BFDiscordBridge<raptor> oh, are those non-plugin windows?
13:03:14BFDiscordBridge<raptor> let me test
13:05:13BFDiscordBridge<raptor> yep, it's fixed with that last one
13:05:24BFDiscordBridge<raptor> maybe I should make a fixed build available...
13:11:03BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Yeah the non plugin windows do it also
13:11:11BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> I wouldn't mind a hotfix build πŸ˜„
13:11:36BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Then the core team change will finally be in! πŸ˜„
13:17:51BFDiscordBridge<raptor> that's already in!
13:17:56BFDiscordBridge<raptor> made it into 019g
13:19:10BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Oh. Does it have to be enabled? Because it didn't happen during the party last thursday lol
13:19:12BFDiscordBridge<raptor> check the editor option for CoreGame :)
13:19:23BFDiscordBridge<raptor> it's a per-level setting
13:19:26BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> ahhhhh
13:19:28BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Gotcha
13:20:19BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> @π”Ήβ£π”Ήπ”»π”Έπ”»π•Œβ‚‘π•‚ turn that on for your RTS level lol
13:20:27BFDiscordBridge<raptor> bobdad... yeah that
13:20:43BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> bobdad
13:20:55BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> is that what his ducklings call him
13:23:42BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> also should I give bob the dev role now that he's got code accepted into the game lol
14:04:33BFDiscordBridge<Lamp> 264 new msgs 🀯
14:05:43BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> yes
14:49:49BFDiscordBridge<amgine> Bobi is a Owl
20:21:39BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> the editor did something even weirder and now I can't get it back lol
20:21:40BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325743140059480065/713230063767650326/screenshot_9.png
20:33:54BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> I had to actually quit the game and come back to make it go back to normal
20:57:03BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> This happened when updating the level in the database
20:57:06BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Like reuploading it
20:57:57BFDiscordBridge<raptor> Windows 10?
21:08:58BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Yes
21:58:09BFDiscordBridge<raptor> @Skybax Here is a dev build with that editor fix. It is Windows 10 x64 standalone build. I hope it works OK for you: https://bitfighter.org/~raptor/Bitfighter-019h-dev-win64.zip
21:58:26BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Awesome
21:59:04BFDiscordBridge<raptor> If it does and anyone else wants to use, you may pass it along, but note that dev builds come with usual caveats: they may crash and burn spectacularly
22:12:39BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> So far works great!
22:12:49BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> It crashed when it asked to bypass my firewall but hasn't crashed since lol
22:18:12BFDiscordBridge<Skybax> Is there anything else different or just the editor fix?

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