Taking nominations...

[watusimoto]

Bitfighter 017 will be out in a few weeks, mostly with bugfixes, but with a couple of neat features. One new feature in 016, but is barely noticeable is that a system for assigning "badges" to players who have accomplished certain feats is working.

Except there is only one accomplishment coded so far, and (almost) none of you are going to earn it.

For 017, I'd like to add one or two accomplishments, and then we can build from there. So I'm taking nominations for ideas.

Criteria:
1. Relatively easy to accomplish
2. But not too easy
3. But something most people will be able to get eventually
4. Easy to code (especially if it can leverage the statistics we're currently collecting)
5. Should probably be related to something in-game, but would consider good ideas for community-related badges, such as posting 1000+ messages in the forums, for example.

I'm thinking that we'll eventually have several tiers of accomplishments; this would be something in the easiest tier. Also, just so you know, the system is built to support 32 different accomplishments. That's plenty of room to grow...

[bobdaduck]

get a five chain killing spree without taking damage.

deal over (1000?) damage in one match.

How about "When I'm 64", and you have to capture or steal 64 flags?

[Little_Apple]

How about wild gun? You get it after you shoot 2000 phaser shots!

Play bitfighter four hours straight.

Is this like a primitive form of achievements?

[Skybax]

It's basically achievements with a different name.
5 maps played.
Played for 1 hour straight.
Played for 3 hours straight.
Played a day of Bitfighter total (24 hours accumulative).
Zapped 20 active ships.
Killed a bot.
Killed 5 bots.
Captured a flag. (5) (10) (100)
Destroyed a Core. (5) (10) (100)
Hosted a server.
Made a map. (5) (10) (100)
Played on a server with 1/5/10/20 other real player(s).
Retrieved a flag.
Made a touchdown.
Amass 50 Nexus flags without cheating (Done it on a dedicated server with other players).
If you want more, ask me. I have loads of them.

[karamazovapy]

They shouldn't be *too* easy.

I actually think we're going to blow through 32 "badges" in no time, flat.

Maybe we reserve 1/3 of them for version-specific achievements that get reset each time a new release comes out? Maybe 8 out of 32?

[watusimoto]

Is this like a primitive form of achievements?

Not at all. It's an advanced form of achievements.

[watusimoto]

I actually think we're going to blow through 32 "badges" in no time, flat.

We *might* be able to figure a way to bump this number up, if we're really clever!

[watusimoto]

One idea I had was be a top finisher in a BBB.

[bobdaduck]

I think they should probably be hard things to do, so that we don't blow through them like that. There should also be a system in place to prevent abuse. (require a server with 10 registered players?)

hold a rabbit flag for the entire match.

turn in 100 nexus flags at once.

Capture 3(5?) flags in a row.

Are badges going to be visible graphics? I could probably do some of the work for them.

I think they should probably be hard things to do, so that we don't blow through them like that. There should also be a system in place to prevent abuse. (require a server with 10 registered players?)

hold a rabbit flag for the entire match.

turn in 100 nexus flags at once.

Capture 3(5?) flags in a row.

Are badges going to be visible graphics? I could probably do some of the work for them.

I think bobdaduck got the right idea. I think the achievements should be correlated to playing with people, so that new players will play the game longer to try to achieve awards. For example, be in fight of 10vs 10 people of registered members. This isn't easy, but ain't too hard (nor requires any skill). It's related to if you ever played a BBB before or a huge event. Another example is winning 10 games in a row. This is hard, but possible as long as you play the game for a certain amount of time to become a good enough player to win games. The awards should PERSUADE people to play the game longer in my opinion. Not just make persons brag about themselves, even though players will do this, but pride alone is boring.

[Skybax]

I think that people should be able to earn badges regardless of their skill level. It gives them something to be proud of, and makes them want to get the next, more difficult badge. For example, Steam makes really good use of the Achievements. When you first start playing Gmod, you can get two achievements right off the bat. Play Singleplayer, and Play Multiplayer. But then off course, there are harder ones. Like to play Gmod for a total of 365 days. The achievement is called Addict.
Basically what I'm saying is if all the badges are really hard to get, there will be less of a desire to attain them. There should be badges going all the way up to the difficult ones.

I think that people should be able to earn badges regardless of their skill level. It gives them something to be proud of, and makes them want to get the next, more difficult badge. For example, Steam makes really good use of the Achievements. When you first start playing Gmod, you can get two achievements right off the bat. Play Singleplayer, and Play Multiplayer. But then off course, there are harder ones. Like to play Gmod for a total of 365 days. The achievement is called Addict.
Basically what I'm saying is if all the badges are really hard to get, there will be less of a desire to attain them. There should be badges going all the way up to the difficult ones.

And from this, players will want to play the game longer and may even become addicted to it. That's the business mind behind petty awards. In other words, more players will play/register from the type of awards that Skybax is describing.

[bobdaduck]

what about tiered achievements? Lets take my "capture x flags in a row" idea.

You have bronze, where its just like two flags in a row or something like that. You then try for silver, where you get five in a row. Gold is seven in a row, and platinum is ten.

as far as anti-abuse... We could implement a system where only certain levels are elligable to get achievements on, and people could submit levels to some designated achievements admin who could approve them.

I like the tier idea, but the anti-system abuse can make it harder to get awards because you have to be in a public server, not your own. (there aren't many servers) BUT if you were on your own server unlocking awards, is that defined as abusive?

[bobdaduck]

not server, but level. Lets say you host a server with the stock levels on them. Since these levels are approved for achievements, it doesn't matter which server you play them on. Combine that with the 8+ players system, and abuse possibilities gets shut down pretty fast.

[karamazovapy]

I think it's difficult to determine whether the stock levels have been modified or not, but that's a separate issue.

The way I understand it, we essentially have 32 "blocks" for achievements. That doesn't mean 32 arrays, or 32 x 3 tiers, it means 32 total. However, watusimoto is talking about splitting the 32 up into various difficulty levels. So, for example, we could have 8 relatively easy badges, 8 medium, 8 hard, and 8 elite. If you really wanted, you could burn up four of those with "Zap 1 Ship", "Zap 100 Ships", "Zap 10,000 Ships", and "Zap 1,000,000 Ships".

For the easy tier though, I think it might be cool to get some variety...although I'm not sure how easy it would be to track some of these...

• Post an original level on the forums.
• Zap ships using each weapon.
• Win a game of each gametype.
• Host a dedicated server.
• Reach 25 posts on the forums.

[Skybax]

I like those ones.

I only skimmed the recent posts so my apologies if this has already been answered -- why exactly is there a limit on 32 achievements/badges? Where will these badges be shown off? Couldn't there just be a page that scrolls vertically, offering an indefinite amount of achievements/badges?

[karamazovapy]

The nature of the coding device being used has a 32 item limit.

[Skybax]

What if you just make two of them? lol

[Lone Wolf]

V.I.P. - Get the highest score of all players in the match (either team or ffa)

The nature of the coding device being used has a 32 item limit.

Well, I don't understand your obstacle in programming the award thing, but both 64 and 32 are powers of 2. If you could raise/edit the item limit, make it 64? It's probably a different issue than the powers of 2...idk.

[karamazovapy]

Like watusimoto said, it might be possible to raise the number somehow, but it's not as simple as multiplying by two or waving a magic wand.

[raptor]

Before the conversation of limits goes further -

We can always adjust limits.

OK. Good. Now back to badge ideas... I'm still waiting for the goofy ones - something like the masochist merit badge: majority of deaths are suicides - things like that. :]

Win 50 Bitmatchs: Dog Fighter
Win 50 CTF: Flag Chaser
Win 50 Core: Core Fighter
Win a total of 450 games: Elite
Win 30 Soccer: Soccer Player
Win 40 Nexus: Flag Gatherer
Play 1,000 games: BitFighter Addict
Post 5 maps in forums: Map Maker
Post 15 maps in forums: Map Master
Have at least 3 posted maps with 4+ stars for at least half a day: Master of Creating
Post 3 dungeon maps: Dungeon Maker
Post 5+ dungeon maps: Dungeon Master
Have a killing streak of 5 kills: Snowball
Have a killing streak of 3 kills: Frenzy
Don’t die for 3.5 minutes while carrying the flag: Flag lover
Kill 30 enemies in one game of team match: Captain
Kill 50+ enemies in one game of team match: War Hero
Reach 25 post count: New Poster
Reach 75 post count: Poster#1
Reach 150 post count: Poster#2
Reach 300 post count: Poster #3
Reach 500+ post count: Oldie
Kill 30 enemies with triple shot: Shot Gun
Kill 30 enemies with bouncers: Sniper
Kill 30 enemies with mines: Mine Layer
Kill 30 enemies with bursts: Burster
Host a server: Admin
Host a dedicated server: Public Server Hoster
Use engineer module 30 times: Mechanic
Use engineer module 50 times: Engineer
Repair 30 ships: Medic
Repair 50 ships: Doctor
Commit suicide 50 times: Kazikame
Stay in lobby for 30 min: Couch Potato
Type in chat box for 30 min straight(max of 1min of no typing within 30min): Chatter
Score in your own goal in soccer: Learn to Kick
Have 400 more total losses than total wins (this award is update-able): Loser
Play in a 5vs5: Scout
Play in a 10vs10: Battle Ship
Play in a 20vs20: War Ship

(award requirement):(award name)

[Skybax]

You got some of the names wrong, but otherwise, I like them.

Ok, thanks.

I think I'll let you guys brainstorm here, but I'll be curious to see how these are implemented.

[karamazovapy]

I can tell you that watusimoto already has some relatively developed ideas on how badges will work, although I'll let him elaborate for himself if he feels like it.

For anyone who was interested in brainstorming ideas for badges visually, it looks like they're going to be vector-drawn and will appear within bitfighter itself...so keep that in mind. You probably also want to keep your ideas scalable, so that they retain identity and look okay shrunk down as well as big. I'm guessing that "big" is about ship-sized, and "small" is about name-text-size.

These are just my guesses based on what I've seen and been told so far.

[watusimoto]

Ok, so here is the first good candidate achievement:

Return 20 flags to the nexus on a level that has no flag spawns and no predeployed flags, and in a game in which there are at least 3 other human players, at least one of which is registered.

Possibly adding:
And in a game in which no one (at least up until the point the achievement was awarded) had suicided more than 5 times.

So questions: 1) Is 20 the right number; 2) Is the suicide requirement needed

1) 20 is a good number and I like the overall award requirements.
2) This is just an honor-type award to me and seems easy to get if you play by yourself with bots. Also, it's "committed suicide." I think it needs a bit more requirements. I think it's a good award idea, too.

Ok, so here is the first good candidate achievement:

Return 20 flags to the nexus on a level that has no flag spawns and no predeployed flags, and in a game in which there are at least 3 other human players, at least one of which is registered.

Possibly adding:
And in a game in which no one (at least up until the point the achievement was awarded) had suicided more than 5 times.

So questions: 1) Is 20 the right number; 2) Is the suicide requirement needed

I think that's more complicated than it needs to be. I would take out the suicide requirement and registration requirement. Achievements are only as good as what you get out of it. If somebody wants to cheat, so be it.

[Lone Wolf]

The registration requirement is fulfulled by you: achievements are only gotten if you are registered.

Or maybe the unregistered players could get achievements, but they don't save to master

[Little_Apple]

Heres an idea for an achievement: AFK, go idle 10 times.

Maybe we should not have specific unique achievements at all. Just to make things simple, maybe we should have kill/death ratio, number of games played, number of posts, number of wins, high point scoring, and high flag scoring awards.

here are a few ideas......

warper - tele 10 times.....

teleporter - tele 100 times......

time traveler - tele 1000 times....

traitor - chage teams 5 times in one game

blasteroider - destory 100 astoird sections

sleepy? - be idle for 20 mintues in game

tester - help test for bugs in a beta version of a game

walker - use 10 speed zones

runner - use 100 speed zones

sprinter - use 1000 speed zones.

member - register a acount

emo - sudice 10 times

pyschotic - sucide 100 times

insanist - sudicide 1000 times

troller - destory team members 10 times

super troller - destory team members 100 times

mega troller - desroy team members 1000 times

ultra troller - destory team members 10000 times

master troller - destory team members 100000 times

reverse - move 1000(0)(0) units oppisite in the way you face.

dizzy? - spin in a circle 100 times



( i will add more to this post as i think of them.)

[Little_Apple]

i like them. add them. all of them.

I'll be the first to get master troller, muahahhaha!

[bobdaduck]

These are way too easy... Its not an achievement if its something like "fire your first phaser." Its just a pat on the back.

We could do scaling, bronze-silver-gold-glowyshiny, which would work better. And glowyshiny should be things that no one yet has done.

Is this like a primitive form of achievements?

Not at all. It's an advanced form of achievements.

Nice

[sam686]

I rather not see any achievements that require idling, suicide, or kill your team to get it. That only makes the players not play the game the way it should be played.

Many achievements suggested could add more to it like "without dying" or "in less then 2 minutes".

[watusimoto]

I rather not see any achievements that require idling, suicide, or kill your team to get it. That only makes the players not play the game the way it should be played.

I agree 100%!

We could do scaling, bronze-silver-gold-glowyshiny, which would work better. And glowyshiny should be things that no one yet has done.

Many achievements suggested could add more to it like "without dying" or "in less then 2 minutes".

These are both great comments. We can take ideas suggested in this thread but add on extra requirements that get progressively more difficult. Ex. A bronze badge might require completing the objective within 5 minutes, a silver badge requires completion in 3 minutes, a gold badge requires completion in 1 minute.

By simply coloring the badge differently we can increase the amount of objectives present while still leaving room for more badges.

[watusimoto]

By simply coloring the badge differently we can increase the amount of objectives present while still leaving room for more badges.

Yes -- a higher level badge can replace a lower level one reducing space requirements.

[watusimoto]

Ok, I started a page for tracking achievement ideas. Many have been posted in the forums, others are contained in various bug lists and such. Let's track them all here, and we'll try to add a few every release.

http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Id ... hievements

Log into the wiki with your forums name/pw.

i had a ideas for an new one.

"shy" use voice chat 1 time ( or maybe for 1 minute?)

"talkative " use voice chat 10 times ( or 1o minutes)

"chatter bug" use voice chat 100 times