017b bugs

[Little_Apple]

holy pots! it still crashes randomly.

[raptor]

@Little_Apple

I need more info:

1. What OS and architecture (probably Mac + Intel?)
2. How to duplicate the crash

Thanks!

I think it's the same random-freeze-crash sort of crash that was in the previous update.

[raptor]

Ah, so that was only on your shiny new Intel Mac, right? And you weren't able to duplicate it or narrow down the problem?

Yesh it was on the shiny new intel Mac. The game just randomly freezes without closing itself, just like the previous update. And by random, we mean there is no particular key we pressed or some weapon selected a certain way or whatever. It just crashes.

[Little_Apple]

it only does it with bitfighter. nothing else. and it does it more frequently with 017b than it did in 017a.

[raptor]

@Little_Apply/BlackBird

If you could narrow it down in any way possible, that will help - otherwise I have no idea what to do about it. Some things you could try to see if it still crashes:

- Play in only full screen or windowed mode for a while
- Turn off/on music or other sounds
- Close all other programs (especially any anti-virus)
- anything else you can think of for an extended time

[Little_Apple]

thats kinda what i already do...

[raptor]

Any leads at all?? I mean short of shipping me your laptop, I need something to go on... But I fully appreciate how hard it is to diagnose something like this...

[Little_Apple]

It sometimes crashes near/at the end of matches... Other than that it's completely random.

[raptor]

Question to any other Mac Intel users:

Do you have a similar experience with Bitfighter crashing?

[Skybax]

Not me.
I don't play a super huge amount of time tho.

[Little_Apple]

i just found this out, when playing zone control with one team, kills count as a point. so if the winning score is 3 you win if you get 3 kills not 3 zone captures. you also get points when you kill a turret. its weird.

[Skybax]

How can you get kills if there's only one team...?

[Little_Apple]

By shooting ships. It's like bitmatch. Try for yourself.

[raptor]

This is actually not a bug.

Single player variants of normally-team-based game types have other weird rules that come from the old Zap code. They're basically all like Bitmatch with a chance to score via zones or whatever the normal team-based version would allow for scoring.

[Skybax]

Interesting...

[Little_Apple]

but the zone control levels with one team are basically bitmatch with an extra way of scoring. fix pleesh?

[raptor]

How would you suggest a change? Only allow scoring via Zone?

With only one team, this would basically make it a first-to-the-flag type game. It would get pretty tedious with lots of players all contending for the only way to score.

For fun, here are the scoring rules for single-team ZC in the code, which probably haven't changed for years upon years because no one creates single player ZC games:

  Code:

switch(scoreEvent)
      {
         case KillEnemy:
            return 1;
         case KilledByAsteroid:  // Fall through OK
         case KilledByTurret:    // Fall through OK
         case KillSelf:
            return -1;
         case KillTeammate:
            return 0;
         case KillEnemyTurret:
            return 1;
         case KillOwnTurret:
            return -1;
         case CaptureZone:
            return 1;
         case UncaptureZone:    // This pretty much has to stay at 0, as the player doing the "uncapturing" will
            return 0;         // also be credited for a CaptureZone event
         default:
            return naScore;
      }

It's actually kind of funny that you get docked a point for killing your own turret - I wonder if that actually works...

[Little_Apple]

Make it so it's like zone control with teams... Just with one team...

[Skybax]

That wouldn't make any sense. It's not the way it is because of a glitch, it's that way because that's the way it's meant to be.

[Little_Apple]

Is anyone listening to what I'm saying?

I found a new bug and I kinda want to keep it because it's kinda cool.
If you place a mine right beside a wall and blow it up; it's still there, but invisible.
Conditions that must be met for the glitch to occur (the middle/center of the mine is important to consider):
-Mine must be right beside a wall; the center of the mine is literally touching the wall.
-Must use ONLY ONE plasma bullet on the outer side of the center.
-The bullet cannot directly hit the center, but close enough for the mine to blow up (the animation). Don't shoot the target right at the center of it (no bulls-eye), barely hit the target on the outer rime.
-Also, don't be too close to the area nor too far away. If you take damage from the mine, then you are obviously too close to it. However, if you are too far away the invisible mine will be deleted.
-After it blows up, move to the area and you should take damage from an invisible mine. However, do not use shield NOR SHOOT THE GENERAL AREA AGAIN.
-Also, do it in sam686 server because it's where I done it. It doesn't work all the time, so try again if it fails or use different walls, distances, better aims, or etc.
-[b]ALSO, to help with the aiming; shoot at the mine while your ship is along/beside the wall. It's easier this way because of the angles. (YOU HAVE TO DO THIS OR IT'LL FAIL BECAUSE IT ONLY WORKS IF THE SHIP TOUCHES THE SAME WALL THAT THE MINE IS ALSO TOUCHING!)<<This is probably the obvious detail of what the code problem might be related to.

I can't show this glitch in a picture, so I'll be glad to show it in real time. However, I don't fully understand the glitch. Also, I didn't tried this before the new updates, so the glitch might have been hiding this whole time.

After I played around with it. The problem lies somewhere with the server and the client. When I shoot the mine at the circumference of it, the mine explodes, but the bullet still moves through the mine like it didn't hit anything. So it's more of an illusion for my client.
P.S. Client-side prediction?
I don't think this glitch is worthwhile to fix, since it's kinda troublesome to produce it.
However, it works when I host the server, too.
EDIT: Also, I tried being close to it and if the bullet goes through it and the animation of the mine exploding happens, it doesn't actually blow up and doesn't hurt me. I think it's just a client-side prediction issue.

If you are going to be posting paragraph upon paragraph about A SINGLE BUG, then just make a new topic instead of overwhelming this one with too much information.

[Little_Apple]

This topic is for bugs... I don't see anything wrong with posting paragraphs on one bug. The more info the better.

Interesting...

Indeed...
I didn't know about client-side prediction until I met this glitch.

[raptor]

CleverBot are you running the windows client?

I have been unable to duplicate it (I'm on Linux,) but Lone Wolf was able to, and he is on Windows.

It may be due to how floating point numbers are compiled with the Windows compiler.

[Lone Wolf]

Another bug: i can't turn allow robots to no! it keeps resetting to yes!

[raptor]

Ha! you're right! I'll work on it...

Edit: was an easy fix

It doesn't freeze and crash for me! PPC Mac

[Little_Apple]

The freeze/crash bug was on intel macs, and it has been fixed in 018. At least from what ive seen...

Cool

I like spam XD

on a realted note i think the random crash gltich has somthing to do with a robot scoreing not 100% sure yet though......

[Lone Wolf]

Derp Windows: 95% of the time i open Bitfighter, the sound only plays out of the left speaker/earphone/headphone speaker and i have to open it 100 times to get both speakers.

[raptor]

Both menu and game song are MONO. Maybe your speaker set-up always puts mono onto one side? What happens if you play the songs outside of bitfighter?

[Lone Wolf]

Both menu and game song are MONO. Maybe your speaker set-up always puts mono onto one side? What happens if you play the songs outside of bitfighter?

Both.

[raptor]

Oops, you read my post before I edited it with a different question:

Both menu and game song are MONO. Maybe your speaker set-up always puts mono onto one side? What happens if you play the songs outside of bitfighter?

So try and play the songs in your normal music player and see what happens.

[ZoombeR]

Or..try putting a stereo song in the bit fighter music folder..?

[Lone Wolf]

So try and play the songs in your normal music player and see what happens.

I did. And it was stereo. It's bitfighter.

[raptor]

OK, one last question:

If you play bitfighter with the music in only one speaker, do the other sound effects in-game come from both speakers?

Thanks!

[Lone Wolf]

OK, one last question:

If you play bitfighter with the music in only one speaker, do the other sound effects in-game come from both speakers?

Thanks!

No, the other sounds come out of the only 1 speaker as well. :\

I have found 1 new bug in 17b. When you have a huge level playing in ctf and you capture a flag or return it and it takes a long time to return it to it's starting point because the level is huge, it might get to the starting point sooner server side so for a few seconds you might have an invisible flag. Not a big problem, tho.

[Skybax]

The flag can be retaken the moment it's captured, even if it's not visibly there.

[raptor]

Yes, that is a client-side only effect

[Lone Wolf]

Hey, an update on the mono thing.

When i use the level editor, it goes into stereo mode. When i exit the editor, to goes mono again. Weird.

[watusimoto]

Yes, that is a client-side only effect

Easily fixed, if we want to. Do we?

[sam686]

If you place a mine right beside a wall and blow it up; it's still there, but invisible.

That problem is fixed, and the fix will come out in Bitfighter 018. It has nothing to do with walls, but does often happen when shooting at the edge of mine.

Yes, that is a client-side only effect

Easily fixed, if we want to. Do we?

I guess you could code like that when flag is returned, make flag inactive (disabled) server side and when the flag client side arrives at the right place, enable flag.

this thread is old pelase lock it ( i would if i was a mod)