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IRC Log for 2011-05-10

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00:00:00karamazovapyI've killed a few bots this past week
00:13:00raptormaybe you got to them before I did, then
00:14:00karamazovapyinterestingly, they've been posting in off-topic
00:15:00karamazovapywhich I guess is convenient?
00:15:00sam686i heard a person in-game (FoOtloOse) complain the total users registered is going up and down (95 one day, 93 next day, 95 next day, 94 next day) for a total registered users count.
00:15:00karamazovapymakes me wonder if including a no-spam rule would make any difference?
00:16:00raptorthat would be us bot-slayers
00:17:00karamazovapypast two days, we've gotten Vuctiocanut, minkjaffida, RxGenerics, TLSubmit
00:17:00raptorhaha
00:18:00karamazovapyalso, ViagraSales
00:18:00karamazovapywatusimoto got that one
00:18:00raptorhaha, i missed that one
00:18:00karamazovapyI saw it, but had login issues with my phone
00:18:00karamazovapytoo busy buying illegal online viagra
00:20:00sam686i wonder why no spam bots finds my empty forum? on my (currently near useless) website?
00:20:00raptorthey do ip4 scans
00:21:00raptorand find common paths/
00:21:00karamazovapyI kind of want to grab Scary Guy by the shoulders and shake him
00:21:00raptorhaha
00:21:00sam686my forums is empty (except somehow sky_lark found my empty forum)
00:21:00raptori actually thought he was a bot once and deleted him
00:21:00raptorbecause he filled out all 4 IM protocol with usernames
00:22:00raptorand only logged in for liek 3 minutes the first time
00:22:00karamazovapyyeah, sky's been around since forever
00:22:00karamazovapy"newuser123"
00:22:00karamazovapysounds legit
00:22:00karamazovapy"niceforum"
00:23:00sam686how outdated phpbb3 is in bitfighter.org? What version is the forum?
00:23:00raptorits at 3.0.6
00:23:00raptorand phpbb is at 3.0.8
00:23:00raptorso a little outdated
00:23:00raptorwatusimoto and i did research into putting in different captcha
00:23:00raptorbut it hasn't been updated
00:23:00karamazovapyI attempted that once, but the modules didn't seem to be properly installed
00:23:00raptorthe current phpbb captcha isn't any better than what we have now
00:24:00karamazovapy"\tChris"
00:24:00karamazovapy"A. dude"
00:24:00karamazovapyI'm gonna go watch house. have a good night!
00:25:00raptornight
00:25:00karamazovapy is now known as _k|away
00:42:00raptori think i'm going to head in early tonight
00:42:00raptornight
00:44:00sam686i found some suggestion to reduce spam - http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=1861645
00:46:00raptori think i can implement one of those right now
00:51:00raptoractually i just became more awake..
00:52:00sam686maybe you feel sleepy when you have nothing to do, but not sleepy then doing something?
00:52:00raptoryep
00:52:00raptori am going to make the captcha easier for the forums, but make some custom questions...
00:58:00raptorthat captcha is horrendous
00:59:00raptori can't get it even now...
00:59:00watusimoto has joined
00:59:00sam686that current captha is probably too hard for most humans.
01:00:00raptori am going to disable captcha and see what happens with just the profile fields for a while...
01:04:00raptorgood evening watusimoto
01:04:00sam686can you read all the letters in this? http://96.2.123.136/bitfighter/ucp.png
01:04:00raptorNO
01:04:00raptori think it makes my eyes twitch
01:04:00sam686i can't read the first letter..
01:06:00watusimotoare those letters?
01:07:00raptori am changing the captcha into custom questions...
01:09:00sam686i might be thinking the first letter is D the code on the picture i put may be D2YKGY ?
01:11:00raptorok, now try the registration
01:14:00sam686i tried it it even says errors on wrong option of HumanIntelligencs. Note i probably don't want to register when i already registered (leaving password / email blank)
01:14:00sam686looks easier then difficult captha
01:14:00raptorfor humans :)
01:15:00sam686spam bots probably won't know what to do with custom questions which should be good.
01:19:00sam686Type in any seven keyboard characters; no more, no less. except it won't let me type more then 7 characters
01:20:00raptorhaha, yeah, i'm fixing that one...
01:21:00raptorok, i need watusimoto to make a change
01:22:00sam686Type in any seven or more numbers, no less. Now it seems to accept 7 or more digits.
01:22:00raptorwatusimoto: are you here?
01:22:00sam686type in 123456789 it passes somehow
01:22:00raptoryep
01:23:00raptoras long as there are a minimum of seven numbers
01:23:00sam686ok, i thought it said no more, like it did before...
01:25:00sam686whats the ping request?
01:26:00raptorit's an IRC keep alive mechanism
01:26:00raptorsends a basic packet to see if you respond
01:26:00sam686got ping?
01:26:00raptoryep
01:27:00raptori had to program the logbot to send a ping to the server once a minute to keep it from getting kicked
01:28:00raptorwell, let's see how those three questions fair instead of captcha
01:29:00sam686Watusimoto appears online on skype too..
01:32:00raptori am going to remove the dropdown box one - it is useless
01:33:00sam686Were you born on the planet earth? - it seems odd to ask that question..
01:33:00raptorhaha, yeah - but the implementaton is bad
01:33:00raptorall the bot has to do is select any option other than the default
01:34:00raptorthe admin panel doesn't allow specifying a specific one
01:34:00raptoronly one to disregard
01:43:00watusimotohi
01:43:00raptorhi
01:43:00watusimotosorry, this client sucks
01:43:00raptorpidgin?
01:44:00raptorevery client i know of with the exception of pidgin does some sort of extra notification if your name is used
01:44:00watusimotoyes, pidgin is not good for irc
01:44:00raptorunder tools->plugins, there are some IRC helper plugins
01:44:00watusimotothough i don't much like mirc either, which is the only other wone I've tried
01:44:00raptorhydraIRC seems to be a popular one
01:44:00watusimotoI've poked around with those, can't get the alerter to work
01:45:00sam686sometimes i go to skype and tell watusimoto that someone wants you..
01:45:00raptorhaha
01:45:00watusimotohydraIRC? I'll check it out
01:45:00watusimotoanyway... you have something on the forums you want changed?
01:45:00raptoractually, it is a piece of php on the backend
01:45:00watusimotook
01:46:00raptorspecically the file under 'langauges/en/ucp.php'
01:46:00raptorgives the answers to registration questions if you get them wrong
01:46:00watusimotook
01:46:00watusimotohold on a sec
01:46:00sam686HydraIRC is what i use, but it doesn't minimise to icon like skype does, but it does make sound when there new message appears
01:46:00raptoryou could send me the file and i'll edit it and send back - if that's easiest
01:46:00watusimotodo you have a copy of pfpbb3 that you are using to test this?
01:46:00raptornope
01:47:00raptorwell - i did
01:47:00watusimotook, I'll send thie file
01:47:00raptorit's jsut error message changes
01:47:00sam686with using multi-monitor, i hardly never need to minimize IRC at all..
01:47:00watusimotoI was going to suggest that if you did, we could cut right to the chase and you could try implemnting the captcha that checks the player db
01:47:00watusimotobut I'll get to that after the editor is under control
01:48:00watusimotoI have small monitor laptop, sam
01:48:00raptorif you install KDE, you can use konversation :)
01:48:00sam686I have three monitors on my desktop computer
01:48:00watusimotowhao
01:49:00sam6862 of my monitor is an old CRT, and one is a LCD
01:49:00sam686My computer have a port for one more display (DVI port), though i think 3 is enough..
01:50:00raptorsam, have you been playing bitfighter with the latest changes - specifically the one where i updated to use 32 sound samples?
01:50:00sam686no, i wasn't updated to latest changes..
01:51:00watusimotois there a msg you want me to change, or just give you the whole file?
01:51:00raptorthere are several
01:51:00raptorfirst of all, the two mentioned here: http://www.phpbb.com/kb/article/custom-profile-fields-as-an-anti-spammer-tool/
01:51:00raptornear the bottom of the page in the code block
01:52:00watusimotocrap... I forgot the pw we use for the game server
01:52:00raptori know it
01:52:00watusimotoI know you do
01:52:00watusimotobut that doesn;t help!
01:53:00raptoroh wait - is phpbb on the game server?
01:53:00watusimotounless you were to tell me, that is :-)
01:53:00watusimotono, I was going to scp it there
01:53:00watusimotoyou could edit it, and I could scp it back
01:53:00watusimotothat seemed easiest
01:53:00raptori sent you a private message clue
01:56:00watusimotook, all in order
01:59:00raptorok, file has been edited
01:59:00raptori basically just edited the error messages to not give the answers to the Human Intelligence questions
02:01:00raptortell me when you've added it back so i can test
02:03:00watusimotoI see... hold on a sec
02:03:00sam686IT could gave hint to the answer = The value of �Human Intelligence� is too large, a maximum value of -1 is allowed.
02:03:00watusimotook
02:04:00raptoryes, i changed it so it wouldn't do that..
02:04:00sam686Not i just see The value of �Human Intelligence� is incorrect.
02:04:00raptorexcellent
02:04:00raptorthanks watusimoto!
02:04:00watusimotono worries!
02:11:00raptorvoice echo is weird
02:11:00watusimotothink I got it to compile now... finally.... oops link errors!!!
02:11:00raptorhaha, link error fake-out
02:11:00raptorgets me every time
02:12:00watusimotoah, just a problem with bot zones in the editor
02:12:00watusimotoI'm just deleting any problematic code like that
02:15:00watusimotoI hate linker errors
02:16:00watusimoto54
02:17:00raptorsam686: gVoiceFreeBuffers
02:18:00raptoris it always a static 32 length?
02:18:00sam686not sure where 32 came from...
02:19:00sam686i guess it is allowed to use different numbers. It is used for playing back voice sound
02:19:00raptorso it may be larger than 32?
02:19:00sam686probably yes
02:28:00watusimotocompiled!!
02:28:00raptorhooray!
02:28:00watusimotoI ended up combining the LuaPolygon with the EditorPolygon to resolve the unresolvable diamond
02:29:00raptorseems ok?
02:29:00watusimotoit's fine. doesn't make much sense, but it will work
02:31:00sam686i will need to go to bed, good night..
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02:38:00watusimotonight
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03:24:00raptorok - testing speex voice encoding...
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03:25:00raptorwow - what a stack trace...
03:49:00raptorgood night
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12:45:00raptorsooo
12:45:00raptorthe bots are getting past the custom profile fields
12:45:00raptorand not because they are answering them properly
12:45:00raptorthey are answering them wrong - they are somehow exploiting a flaw in the registration system
12:46:00raptori think the forums should probably be updated to phpbb 3.0.8
12:55:00raptormakes me wonder if the bots weren't even validating the captcha
13:30:00raptorsam686: i think i got speex integrated - however does the dedicated server need to have teh speex code as well?
13:32:00raptori don't think it should - it is packing the data in a ByteBuffer
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13:49:00raptorhi Helmic
13:49:00raptorhi ShadowXLoner
13:49:00ShadowXLonerHi
13:49:00Helmic'Hoy.
13:49:00ShadowXLonerHelmic's here?
13:49:00ShadowXLonerShweeet
13:49:00HelmicNo waay.
13:49:00ShadowXLonerI know, right?
13:50:00HelmicI don't know actually. I'm quite dreadfully confused.
13:50:00raptorHelmic: i don't think i've played with you much
13:50:00HelmicThat you haven't.
13:50:00raptorShadowXLoner always kicks my trash
13:50:00raptorbut granted i don't play much anyways - just to find bugs and add new broken features :]
13:51:00ShadowXLonerSuch is the plight of the developer.
13:51:00HelmicSee, once upon I time I thought I could always kick sam686's ass but then after the last little meetup it became apparent he was just playing nice.
13:51:00raptorhaha, yeah
13:52:00ShadowXLonerYeah, Sam can be a pain in-game. I admit he knows how to use his loadout to its full potential.
13:52:00raptori usually try to make sure i get last place in the BBBs
13:52:00raptoror at least beat watusimoto
13:52:00ShadowXLonerIntentionally, or just so people know you attended?
13:53:00raptorso i can say i actually have good enough skilz to win one game
13:53:00Helmicspeaking of which, ABFL
13:53:00HelmicWas hoping to bump into someone on my team so I could nab an IM.
13:54:00Helmicand play a couple matches for practice.
13:54:00ShadowXLonerThat's right, you're on Chimera Crush correct?
13:54:00HelmicIndeed.
13:54:00ShadowXLonerNeat. Glad to have you.
13:54:00HelmicThanks. Care to add me on AIM?
13:54:00ShadowXLonerYou've received Furbuggy's message on the forums correct?
13:55:00HelmicI did.
13:55:00HelmicWon't be able to make it to tonight's practice unless you guys plan on playing into the wee hours.
13:55:00ShadowXLonerAwesome. If you aren't able to make it to any of the practices, it'd be great to alert either me or Fur before hand.
13:56:00ShadowXLonerDon't worry, I won't be able to make it to tonights practice either.
13:56:00HelmicWait, how would that make me not worry?
13:57:00HelmicNow we're stuck with two delinquents.
14:01:00ShadowXLonerHmm? How so?
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14:02:00HelmicPeople missin' practice.
14:03:00ShadowXLonerThat's actually a pretty reacurring theme with me. My music studies often get in the way of other activities in my life.
14:03:00Helmicvideogames come first, mister
14:03:00ShadowXLonerHopefully tuesdays will be the only day's I miss practice.
14:04:00ShadowXLonerWell, video games did, once.
14:04:00HelmicHopefully I can come in late, or at least convince furbuggy to make another practice time I can actually make.
14:04:00ShadowXLonerWasn't until a month ago that I realized that my constant gaming was hurting me in the longterm.
14:04:00HelmicAll things in moderation.
14:05:00ShadowXLonerDoesn't mean that I'm going to go cold turkey on BitFighter though.
14:05:00ShadowXLonerFur and I will be discussing Practice Times and schedules soon, hopefully tonight if the fates allow it.
14:06:00HelmicShould probably send a mail to everyone asking what times they can usually play.
14:06:00HelmicThen use that to pick practice times.
14:07:00ShadowXLonerThat's most likely what we'll do. Or it'll be some other method, who knows?
14:07:00HelmicIt'll be that method, trust me. I've organized stuff like this before.
14:08:00ShadowXLonerOh? Where?
14:09:00HelmicTournaments for a forum I went to, as well as experience dealing with a forum Survivor game series.
14:09:00ShadowXLonerNeat.
14:09:00HelmicGood lord, was that Survivor vicious. Didn't help I was the one backstabbing everyone and laughing maniacally.
14:10:00HelmicConfessionals were a hoot to read, though.
14:10:00ShadowXLonerNiiiiiice. I've always found a certain pleasure in being truley villinous
14:10:00ShadowXLonerIt allows me to sate my inner Sophisti-Troll.
14:11:00HelmicOh good lord, I went all Light Yagami with access to the Batcave.
14:11:00ShadowXLonerNever watched Death Note but I think I get what you're saying.
14:12:00HelmicManaged to convince my first tribe that my primary rival sold us out by convincing someone from a rival tribe that it'd seal an alliance. Said "ally" then forged evidence that my teammate had betrayed us.
14:12:00HelmicThen I "defended" the guy I set up so that he was dependent on me to prevent being voted out.
14:12:00ShadowXLonerThat is NASTY.
14:13:00HelmicAnd hilarious.
14:13:00ShadowXLonerThat's sounds like Russel if he had more than one strategy on that show.
14:13:00ShadowXLonerAnd without the whole 'owning an oil company' thing.
14:13:00Helmic'Course, a forum error on the host's part made everyone's confessionals public.
14:14:00HelmicAnd right before the final vote.
14:14:00ShadowXLonerThus, you were discovered?
14:14:00HelmicAnd I wrote everything down in evil villain monologue style.
14:14:00HelmicHilarity ensued.
14:15:00ShadowXLonerThat's awesome. Anyway I need to be off. I'll see you later tonight possibly.
14:15:00HelmicSee ya.
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14:16:00HelmicAnd before I thoroughly disgust anyone, or at least more than I have done so already, I will be be off.
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15:00:00raptorwell sam686, i think my speex encoder is eating up so much bandwidth that it kills the connection between client and server
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16:39:00karamazovapysam686> can you read all the letters in this? http://96.2.123.136/bitfighter/ucp.png - D2YKG
16:49:00raptorthat first one is a 'D'?
16:54:00karamazovapyyep
16:54:00raptoranyways, i removed captcha from registration
16:54:00karamazovapyyeah...dunno if it was doing anything at all or not
16:54:00raptorit wasn't
16:55:00raptoror rather
16:55:00raptorit was keeping humans out
16:55:00karamazovapyright
16:55:00karamazovapynothing it was supposed to be doing
16:55:00raptorso i changed it to some simple questions
16:55:00raptor'Human Intelligence'
16:55:00karamazovapyI tried to do that once, but the modules didn't seem to be installed correctly
16:56:00raptorbut a bot got by those this morning - but not because it answered them
16:56:00karamazovapyI couldn't get them to appear as they were supposed to
16:56:00raptorin fact the bot failed the questions
16:56:00raptorbut it still got registered
16:56:00karamazovapywas this a work-around authentication?
16:56:00raptorgo to the register page and take a look
16:57:00raptori think that bots are using some backdoor to bypass registration
16:57:00raptorbecause the one that registered this morning failed those mandatory human intelligence tests
16:58:00karamazovapyyeah, I failed, but it didn't pass me
16:59:00raptorexactly
17:00:00karamazovapycheck out the flood of bots that have registered in the past two or three days, though
17:00:00karamazovapyUSERS AND GROUPS>Inactive users
17:01:00karamazovapySmerturiNeest, dut, leraknaziva, exancassaks, furnisxc, FullDZ, talto, Mhalddf5Z52AD, lisaVJY, Hieyiyek, acastalia, Stanirtynor, finetreatment, flightv, kzngngire, RitaBoven...
17:02:00karamazovapy...muhamarma, dredAlmottbot, bbkfbsh, jastreender, Unpasmaws, arinkalekly...
17:02:00raptorhow?
17:02:00raptordid you delete all host?
17:02:00raptorthose
17:02:00karamazovapyno, they're listed as Newly registered accounts
17:02:00raptorbecause forums still say 93 users
17:02:00raptorwhat type of account are these?
17:02:00karamazovapylog into the admin control panel
17:03:00karamazovapyclick on the USERS AND GROUPS tab
17:03:00raptori'm there, looking at the list
17:03:00karamazovapylooking at Inactive users?
17:03:00raptoryes
17:03:00karamazovapythey haven't authenticated yet
17:03:00raptorahh....
17:04:00karamazovapythat's why the joined and inactive dates/times are the same
17:04:00raptordo you have anything against trashing them all?
17:04:00karamazovapyas long as we're not trashing actual users
17:04:00karamazovapywe've been getting slammed lately, though
17:04:00karamazovapylast couple weeks, anyway
17:05:00raptoryeah
17:05:00karamazovapyI registered and deactivated _k so it would work as a passworded name in-game
17:06:00karamazovapyit's on page 10
17:06:00raptorha!
17:06:00raptorthat's great
17:06:00raptorsmart
17:06:00karamazovapyI think _k is technically banned
17:09:00karamazovapyanyway...gonna mow the lawn...be back
17:11:00raptorlate
17:11:00raptorr
17:21:00raptoroh phoew
17:22:00raptori by accident activate about 30 bots
17:22:00raptorbut i was able to delete them
17:22:00raptorso i cleaned that entire inactive list and kept only those that seemed part-way legit
18:15:00raptoractually
18:15:00raptori bet that bots didn't get past the new human intelligence questions
18:15:00raptori bet that had pre-registered and were awaiting verification
18:21:00karamazovapymy chat is broken again
18:28:00sam686maybe speedx needs some bit-rate tweaking or something.. Should measure bandwidth ... at the very bottom of gameType.cpp there is s2c / c2sVoiceChat.
18:41:00karamazovapyI FOUND IT!
18:41:00sam686if a spambot somehow bypass registration, it could be 1. buggy version of phpbb, 2. some spammers are not bots, 3. Any passwords (mysql, phpbb, access to server files) could be leaked.
18:41:00karamazovapyraptor
18:42:00karamazovapy"LoadoutIndicators=No" causes chat to disappear in windows
18:42:00karamazovapyother OSes might want to test
18:44:00raptorhowdy
18:44:00raptormysql port is open on the master server
18:45:00raptorwhich is a BIG no no
18:45:00raptorkaramazovapy: is that a setable option in-game? or only INI?
18:46:00karamazovapydefinitely ini...not sure about in game...
18:46:00karamazovapyI think ini-only
18:46:00raptorsam686: i got speex to compress well enough within one packet like the other codecs - i just need to get home and test with my microphone..
18:48:00karamazovapycurious - old chat stays on screen when you change servers
18:49:00raptoryeah that has always been there since i first started with bitfighter
18:50:00karamazovapywant me to create a case for no loadout indicators killing chat?
18:50:00raptori'm looking at it right now - you are right, i think i may already know the problem
18:50:00raptorlet me see if i can fix it in about 15 min. or so...
18:50:00raptorwithin 15
18:50:00raptorif not, then create a case
18:57:00raptorfixed it - pushing change
18:58:00karamazovapyjawsome
18:58:00karamazovapySTREET SHARKS
19:05:00BitfighterLogBot - Commit 87298d6cf9af | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: fix in-game messages not rendering with disabled LoadoutIndicators
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20:24:00sam686my internet keeps quitting on me, don't know why...
20:32:00watusimotowe have no control over the ports on the master server
20:33:00watusimotowe need to get a different one
20:33:00watusimotoI'll pay for it
20:33:00watusimotowe just need someone to decide which server we want and figure out how to migrate
20:33:00raptordid we decide to migrate to the game server?
20:33:00watusimotomaybe; we certainly could do that
20:34:00watusimotowe just need to figure out how to redirect clients to the new master
20:34:00raptoroh yeah....
20:34:00raptorhmmm
20:34:00watusimotomaybe we could release a 015b with the only difference being the master address
20:35:00raptorright now the game server hosts 5-6 dedicated servers, the logbot, and?
20:35:00watusimotothat's it
20:36:00watusimotoas far as I know
20:36:00raptori thought i did see some files on there that seemed to mirror bitfighter.org once
20:36:00raptorwere you alredy in the middle of a migration?
20:46:00raptorgoin' home, be back later
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