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| 00:25:00 | raptor | karamazovapy, or sam686: did we actually say this was a good idea?: http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/detail?id=131 |
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| 00:34:00 | raptor | sam686|2? you around/ |
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| 00:34:00 | sam686 | hi |
| 00:35:00 | raptor | hi |
| 00:35:00 | raptor | was this decided as a good idea?: http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/detail?id=131 |
| 00:36:00 | sam686 | not sure, but could help who can change level or who is admin, like it is done to who is robot with "B" |
| 00:37:00 | raptor | oh, so the markings would go in the scoreboard? |
| 00:37:00 | raptor | i thought he was talking about the name under the player |
| 00:37:00 | sam686 | yes, that is good enough |
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| 00:38:00 | raptor | scoreboard is good enough? |
| 00:38:00 | sam686 | i thinks that is good enough.. |
| 00:39:00 | raptor | ok |
| 00:39:00 | raptor | let me see if i can do that quick enough.. |
| 00:39:00 | raptor | i'm thinking an '@' for an admin |
| 00:39:00 | raptor | a '+' for a levelchanger? |
| 00:39:00 | raptor | what do you think? |
| 00:40:00 | sam686 | i guess that + @ idea came from IRC? |
| 00:40:00 | raptor | :) |
| 00:40:00 | raptor | yes |
| 00:40:00 | raptor | it is also language-neutral |
| 00:40:00 | sam686 | ok.. |
| 00:41:00 | raptor | unless you have better idea? |
| 00:42:00 | sam686 | but, some server may not have level change password which could make everyone "+ + +" on that server, better to not show + when there is no level change password.. |
| 00:43:00 | raptor | ok |
| 00:43:00 | raptor | good thinking |
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| 01:41:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit 54420fe05ed6 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Add identifying marks on the scoreboard for level changers and admins. Completes issue 131 |
| 01:51:00 | | BFLogBot - Commit b57ea59e544a | Author: sam8641 | Log: Add Mouse Scrolling, fix some joystick buttons |
| 02:19:00 | karamazovapy | I think we agreed that showing admin/mod privileges was a good thing |
| 02:19:00 | karamazovapy | maybe a different colored name or chat text |
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| 02:34:00 | Zoomber | hi |
| 02:34:00 | Zoomber | sam686 still on |
| 02:34:00 | Zoomber | ? |
| 02:43:00 | Zoomber | karamazovapy there? |
| 03:56:00 | raptor | karamazovapy: I added symbols next to names on the scoreboard to distinguish admins/levelchangers |
| 03:56:00 | raptor | do you think more would be required? |
| 03:56:00 | raptor | or even something different |
| 04:29:00 | Zoomber | hi raptor |
| 04:29:00 | Zoomber | that seems sufficient |
| 04:33:00 | karamazovapy | symbols would work. I'd like colors better, but that's just me. |
| 04:33:00 | Zoomber | like red and green? |
| 04:33:00 | Zoomber | maybe just red for admin? |
| 04:33:00 | karamazovapy | not 100% RGB values |
| 04:33:00 | Zoomber | L and A symbols for the rest |
| 04:33:00 | raptor | hi |
| 04:33:00 | karamazovapy | but some kind of tints |
| 04:34:00 | raptor | the game rule-of-thumb i think i both colors and marks |
| 04:34:00 | raptor | is both |
| 04:34:00 | raptor | yes |
| 04:35:00 | karamazovapy | I'll withhold judgment on marks until I see what they look like |
| 04:35:00 | raptor | one moment... :) |
| 04:37:00 | raptor | levelchanger: http://208.107.52.15/upload/11screenshot_1.png |
| 04:38:00 | raptor | admin: http://208.107.52.15/upload/11screenshot_2.png |
| 04:38:00 | raptor | nothing special |
| 04:38:00 | raptor | stolen from IRC :) |
| 04:38:00 | raptor | brb |
| 04:38:00 | Zoomber | how about an A? |
| 04:40:00 | karamazovapy | I'm okay with that. makes me think that colors would be good for chat, but not scoreboard |
| 04:40:00 | karamazovapy | also makes me wonder what the names below the ships might look like |
| 04:42:00 | raptor | i deliberately chose non-alphanumeric marks to be language-neutral |
| 04:42:00 | raptor | you are thinking chat colors? |
| 04:42:00 | raptor | in-game chat? |
| 04:42:00 | raptor | let me add those tints to the names... |
| 04:43:00 | karamazovapy | in game chat, yeah |
| 04:43:00 | raptor | also tintish? |
| 04:44:00 | Zoomber | why not 'A"? |
| 04:44:00 | Zoomber | remember raptor, many of our community are macs and windows |
| 04:44:00 | Zoomber | lots of mac users |
| 04:44:00 | raptor | does that mean less intelligent? |
| 04:45:00 | raptor | I was thinking symbols because some day I have this grandiose plan of creating localizations |
| 04:48:00 | raptor | interesting... |
| 04:48:00 | raptor | looks like underlining is borken... |
| 04:49:00 | raptor | ok, ummm... looks like authenticating with master is completely borkn |
| 04:49:00 | raptor | well i won't let that stop me.. |
| 04:51:00 | raptor | Zoomber: i was joking about mac users... i hope you didn't take that personally :) |
| 04:51:00 | Zoomber | what? |
| 04:51:00 | Zoomber | oh |
| 04:51:00 | Zoomber | i just wasn't paying attention to the screen |
| 04:51:00 | Zoomber | haha |
| 05:05:00 | karamazovapy | the screen is still an important part of computing for mac users, right? |
| 05:05:00 | Zoomber | there is no "mac" without the screen |
| 05:06:00 | raptor | i'm still not following you... |
| 05:06:00 | raptor | what does mac have to do with the game again? |
| 05:12:00 | raptor | sam686: awake? |
| 05:18:00 | Zoomber | hes long asleep |
| 05:19:00 | raptor | hmm ok |
| 05:19:00 | raptor | i hope this works... |
| 05:27:00 | Zoomber | raptor: im on corruption |
| 05:27:00 | raptor | say what |
| 05:27:00 | Zoomber | http://osx86.co/f57/guide-install-snow-leopard-10-6-1-on-t5034/ |
| 05:27:00 | Zoomber | following this |
| 05:28:00 | Zoomber | thats my IBM + acer netbook + now old toshiba laptop |
| 05:28:00 | Zoomber | i can really quickly do installs now. all thats needed are driver work |
| 05:28:00 | raptor | cool |
| 05:29:00 | Zoomber | i cant help resisting the challenge |
| 05:33:00 | raptor | ok, i have color change pictures |
| 05:33:00 | raptor | karamazovapy: still awake? |
| 05:33:00 | raptor | admin: http://208.107.52.15/upload/111screenshot_0.png |
| 05:33:00 | raptor | levelchanger: http://208.107.52.15/upload/111screenshot_1.png |
| 05:33:00 | raptor | Zoomber: tell me what you think |
| 05:34:00 | raptor | i tried to match the forum colors |
| 05:36:00 | raptor | ok, i guess everyone went to bed - i will too |
| 05:36:00 | raptor | i'll ask again tomorrow |
| 05:41:00 | Zoomber | those are good |
| 05:41:00 | Zoomber | nice one raptor |
| 05:41:00 | raptor | is the red too hard to read? |
| 05:41:00 | Zoomber | maybe tone it up a little |
| 05:41:00 | Zoomber | however, if there is no level change password set, maybe people who can change levels stay at grey? |
| 05:43:00 | raptor | yeah - still have to work that one out... |
| 05:43:00 | raptor | but i'm heading to bed :) |
| 05:43:00 | raptor | good night |
| 05:43:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 05:43:00 | Zoomber | good night. ill tell you how my toshiba runs in the morning |
| 05:44:00 | raptor | cool |
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| 05:44:00 | Zoomber | thinking of just dual-booting it |
| 05:44:00 | Zoomber | karamazovapy still there? |
| 06:11:00 | karamazovapy | still kickin |
| 06:12:00 | karamazovapy | oooh...a color spectrum for names under ships would be a cool way to indicate rank |
| 06:12:00 | Zoomber | ok |
| 06:12:00 | karamazovapy | like a red>yellow>green shift |
| 06:13:00 | Zoomber | what about a number next to your name, like a subscript |
| 06:13:00 | Zoomber | which could work hand in hand with a color spectrum |
| 06:17:00 | karamazovapy | I'm anti-number |
| 06:17:00 | Zoomber | i was afraid so.. |
| 06:17:00 | karamazovapy | there's such thing as too much information |
| 06:18:00 | karamazovapy | I'm not even sure we need to identify mods and admins except in chat |
| 06:18:00 | Zoomber | in zap, there was the same high score board. only the information there was corrupted with players getting really good scores and quitting, but those can be fixed with rank decay and requiring registered players fighting to count a match |
| 06:19:00 | karamazovapy | I don't even think we should bother with an actual ranking system |
| 06:19:00 | Zoomber | same reasons? |
| 06:19:00 | karamazovapy | I wouldn't be against color-coding names on the red>yellow>green spectrum based on kill-to-death ratio, though |
| 06:20:00 | karamazovapy | I don't think a high score board would be helpful |
| 06:20:00 | Zoomber | even for a kill-to-death ratio? not encouraging players to play? |
| 06:20:00 | Zoomber | maybe making them more aware that suiciding is hurting their rank? |
| 06:21:00 | karamazovapy | I don't think we have to worry about suicides |
| 06:21:00 | Zoomber | wana see a pic of how scary my comp looks right now? |
| 06:21:00 | karamazovapy | ...and I don't think we should create a scoreboard that acts as a disincentive |
| 06:22:00 | Zoomber | im getting a whoole bunch of errors. very few have gotten a mac on toshiba |
| 06:24:00 | Zoomber | it looks like its loosing connection to the usb hard disk |
| 06:24:00 | Zoomber | but i think USB was one of the known issues |
| 06:29:00 | Zoomber | agh i even see the Realteck wifi load successfully |
| 06:31:00 | Zoomber | wiered, its like my dvd drive stops being readable right at the same time |
| 06:34:00 | Zoomber | no, because it doesnt use the drive after |
| 06:34:00 | Zoomber | so it has to be a USB problem |
| 06:46:00 | Zoomber | night karamazovapy |
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| 14:10:00 | raptor | good morning! |
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| 14:30:00 | raptor | karamazovapy: if you're around, did you see the name coloring on the ships? |
| 14:31:00 | karamazovapy | yeah...check back in the irc log |
| 14:31:00 | raptor | ah ok |
| 14:32:00 | raptor | no colors for admins/levelchangers, but a spectrum based on some ratio |
| 14:32:00 | raptor | ? |
| 14:32:00 | karamazovapy | just an idea |
| 14:33:00 | raptor | if we talked about just admins/levelchangers are the marks enough in the scoreboard? |
| 14:33:00 | karamazovapy | if we were talking about showing player rank somehow, it might be a neat way of doing it |
| 14:33:00 | karamazovapy | yeah, I think the scoreboard is enough for that |
| 14:34:00 | raptor | ok |
| 14:35:00 | karamazovapy | but without resorting to a numerical ranking system, it could be cool if the color of a players name gave you some indication of how big a threat they were |
| 14:36:00 | raptor | yeah, i like that... should it be based off of the current skill ratio that is persistent from level to level? |
| 14:36:00 | raptor | if it were tweaked, of course... |
| 14:36:00 | raptor | or are you thinking of something even more permanent like player status added to the central master server database? |
| 14:37:00 | sam686 | such name color in ships might cause players to run away from the highest rank players to survive and not care about weak players.. |
| 14:37:00 | raptor | yup |
| 14:38:00 | karamazovapy | personally, I think the most telling stats are kill to death ratio and how often your team wins versus how often your team loses |
| 14:38:00 | karamazovapy | but that's just my opinion |
| 14:41:00 | raptor | my color code is severly borken |
| 14:41:00 | raptor | rats |
| 14:52:00 | raptor | looks like the info needs to be sent with the ship network packet... |
| 14:52:00 | raptor | i'm not interested on increasing the network footprint much more until we can reduce it, for the moment |
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| 20:59:00 | raptor | what is a half-wall? |
| 21:02:00 | karamazovapy | I think he means one-way walls |
| 21:02:00 | karamazovapy | which have come up several times in the past |
| 21:02:00 | raptor | you mean like a diode? |
| 21:02:00 | sam686 | like teleporters is one way? |
| 21:04:00 | karamazovapy | no, I mean a barrier you can pass through from one direction, but can't from the other |
| 21:05:00 | karamazovapy | http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=245&p=1578 |
| 21:09:00 | raptor | interesting |
| 22:17:00 | raptor | i think i just scared away a player |
| 22:17:00 | raptor | i hate doing that |
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| 23:36:00 | Zoomber | hi sam686 |
| 23:51:00 | Zoomber | no sam686 |
| 23:51:00 | Zoomber | ? |
