#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-03-12

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15:20:26 raptor good day!
15:41:44 raptor looks like Little_Apple relayed my message
15:42:09 raptor but i found and fixed the high scores problem last night anyways - so you don't have to worrry about it
16:15:44 watusimoto hi
16:15:50 watusimoto I saw your fix
16:15:54 watusimoto this morngin
16:15:55 raptor hi
16:15:56 watusimoto seems to work!
16:16:01 raptor :)
16:16:24 watusimoto so, when you get a chance, take a look at the diagnostics screen, p3, where all the test icons are laid out
16:16:31 raptor i did
16:16:40 watusimoto the very last one  is the one I chose for our first badge
16:16:46 raptor i like it
16:16:53 raptor although should the flag be white?
16:17:00 watusimoto I kind of like it, but I feel it is too literal in a way
16:17:10 watusimoto since all the other ideas I've come up with have been more abstract
16:17:28 watusimoto but maybe more literal ideas will develop as we decide on real achievements
16:17:40 raptor seems ok to me...
16:17:50 watusimoto yes, but you are an engineer :-)
16:17:56 raptor hehe, true...
16:18:10 watusimoto I think a white flag would be too monochormatic
16:18:31 watusimoto especially when displayed in a form with lots of other white text
16:18:36 watusimoto like the scoreboard
16:18:40 raptor idea:  remove the number and put several smaller flags around the one?
16:18:54 watusimoto that might work
16:19:02 watusimoto those could be all different colors
16:19:59 watusimoto I am a little worried about one thing though
16:20:04 watusimoto not related to our recent work
16:20:19 raptor ok
16:20:22 watusimoto and that is that there has been a steady decline in the number of players for about a month or two
16:20:35 raptor yes, i've been wondering about that too
16:20:43 watusimoto we were up around 30-40 unique players per day for a while
16:20:47 watusimoto now we are around 10
16:20:58 watusimoto certainly not an all-time low, but still
16:21:26 watusimoto maybe closer to 15
16:21:43 watusimoto and forum traffic is waaaay down
16:21:48 raptor ah
16:21:51 watusimoto not a bad thing in itself :-)
16:22:04 watusimoto kind of a relief in a way
16:22:06 watusimoto but still
16:22:16 raptor forums traffic coincides exactly with the time _k added a cooldown time to posting
16:22:25 watusimoto what is that?
16:22:30 raptor 2 min. or so
16:22:34 raptor between posts
16:22:47 watusimoto in the same thread, or anywhere?
16:22:51 raptor anywhere
16:22:53 raptor i think
16:23:20 watusimoto well traffic has just kind of dropped off
16:23:39 raptor i've been wondering if game-play has something to do with 016 bugs
16:23:55 watusimoto were there any that were that bad?
16:24:05 raptor mac + fullscreen
16:24:17 raptor the window would just disappear
16:24:21 watusimoto ah
16:24:34 watusimoto well, I think we're close to a release that will fix that
16:24:47 raptor yes
16:24:53 watusimoto I've been very good about not adding too many items to the release list
16:25:27 raptor yeah, i've been trying to only do fixes..
16:25:37 raptor oh, the music system
16:26:10 raptor also maybe flag icon something like this:  http://www.twiddla.com/780183
16:27:04 raptor not special really, but no numbers...
16:27:05 watusimoto I think I prefer #2
16:27:32 watusimoto the advantage of the numbers is that we can roll out other variants easily if we want, say a 50 flag version
16:27:56 raptor ah for levels
16:28:05 raptor bronze/silver/gold?
16:28:14 watusimoto yes, for examp;e
16:28:20 watusimoto if that works out in practice
16:28:38 watusimoto I have no idea if 25 will be easy or hard to achieve
16:28:54 raptor depends on the level - but in general, i think hard
16:28:54 watusimoto at least without "cheating"
16:29:37 watusimoto anyone with a compiler could get the award the way I did -- I hardcoded a || true condition in there long enough for me to win it
16:29:41 watusimoto the removed it
16:29:57 raptor i just added myself to the DB  :)
16:30:02 watusimoto even better
16:30:11 raptor just curious
16:30:22 raptor did you mean for the mask to be written as the achievement ID?
16:30:34 raptor i.e  2^(id)
16:30:43 watusimoto yes, I think I did
16:30:46 raptor ok
16:30:49 watusimoto though, really, whatever makes sense
16:31:01 watusimoto I did it that way because that's what ocurred to me
16:31:07 raptor that seems simplest for now (programmatically)
16:31:11 watusimoto not as the result of a deliberation over any alternatives
16:31:17 raptor ok
16:31:56 watusimoto so I'm happy to leave it, or happy to change it, if you feel it should be a different way (and are motivated enough to do it :-)
16:32:03 raptor hehe, nah
16:32:07 raptor i'm ready to release...
16:32:22 raptor maybe get some excitement back in the game
16:32:24 watusimoto let me look at the list
16:32:33 raptor maybe people are just depressed during winter
16:32:40 watusimoto !bug
16:32:40 BFLogBot To enter a bug, please make sure it is reproducible and then go to http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/list | Also, see current running bug list: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Running_Bug_List
16:32:52 raptor or have given their lives to mobile devices and forgot what a 'PC' is
16:33:30 watusimoto ok #26 is an easy fix -- I know the problem, and will do it tonight
16:34:00 watusimoto that takes care of section 1
16:34:12 watusimoto section 2 looks like you fixed everything
16:34:21 watusimoto section 3...
16:34:26 watusimoto item 2 is done
16:34:42 watusimoto so there's 5, 6, and 7
16:34:49 raptor i haven't even started looking at those...
16:34:51 watusimoto all easy enough
16:35:04 watusimoto but there is one other bug that should be on the list
16:35:13 watusimoto and that's the authentication problem
16:35:23 watusimoto which I regard as somewhat serious
16:35:35 raptor i think it may be when master is disconnected
16:35:47 watusimoto I see no evidence for that
16:36:06 raptor that is true
16:36:14 raptor but we know that master down causes the same behavior
16:36:41 raptor and sam686 made a TNL fix that properly re-checks peoples authentication status, right?
16:36:41 watusimoto you mean totally down, or intermittetently down?
16:36:51 watusimoto yes
16:36:58 watusimoto he made some fix
16:37:00 watusimoto anyway
16:37:14 watusimoto he fixes lots of bugs I don't fully understand
16:37:16 raptor when people join a game with master down, the game server never actually re-authenticates them even if master comes back up
16:37:29 watusimoto is that the bug he fixed?
16:37:32 raptor he fixed it so it would (I think)
16:37:44 watusimoto ok, well, let's test that scenario later
16:38:14 watusimoto we can also check the database for improperly non-validated players since he made that fix
16:38:54 raptor well, we'd have to release 017 first
16:38:57 raptor with the fix
16:39:06 raptor since the fix was to TNL
16:39:16 watusimoto oh, right -- I was thinking that was a master fix
16:40:24 watusimoto I love those names people pick!
16:40:45 raptor haha
16:40:59 watusimoto maybe we need an award for picking some foul username that has never been picked before
16:41:05 raptor hahaha
16:41:06 watusimoto level silver if it makes me wince
16:41:18 raptor some awards that only devs can give out...
16:41:24 watusimoto and gold if it makes me write some sql to remove it from the system
16:42:12 watusimoto there's slicktic and slickdad
16:42:20 watusimoto looks like another family affair
16:42:28 raptor yep it is
16:42:42 raptor i've played with them a bit - seem like good people
16:42:57 watusimoto it would be interesting to write a query for known father-son pairs and see if the fathers ever win :-)
16:43:04 raptor haha
16:43:07 watusimoto but three's really no point since the answer is well known
16:43:41 watusimoto ok, well in the past day or two, there have been no misvalidations
16:43:42 raptor interesting you mention that - slickktic and slickkdad always tried to be on the same team in every game
16:44:12 watusimoto what does X in win/loss mean again?
16:44:23 raptor Tied?
16:44:31 raptor not sure...
16:44:39 watusimoto one guy scored 33346530
16:44:42 raptor let me look it up...
16:45:35 watusimoto alright, feeling a little better about the validation error
16:45:59 raptor yeah - i honestly think we should release and keep a close eye on it..
16:46:04 watusimoto ok
16:46:20 watusimoto I'll see what I can do about the remaining cases tonight
16:46:24 raptor what's the worst that could happen?
16:46:32 watusimoto another release1
16:47:14 raptor 'X' means only one player in a single team game
16:47:20 raptor so invalid win
16:47:26 watusimoto ah
16:48:48 watusimoto for a game that so few people play, our stats db is growing quite large
16:48:54 watusimoto 30MB
16:49:19 raptor well, it should be less now with no editor wins  :)
16:49:25 watusimoto indeed
16:51:33 raptor in fact, do we save whether a server is 'testing' or 'dedicated'?
16:51:40 raptor because we could do some sanitizing...
16:51:54 watusimoto I don't think so
16:52:09 watusimoto but I just closed by db window :-)
16:52:16 watusimoto so I can't say for sure
16:52:52 raptor doesn't look like it...
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20:08:01 Watusimoto hi
20:08:06 raptor hello
20:08:25 Watusimoto are you out for the rest of the day, or is that an old message?
20:08:37 raptor not gone yet
20:08:40 raptor in 1.5 hours or so
20:08:52 Watusimoto must be an old message
20:09:20 Watusimoto I was working on a lego 2-speed clutch mechanism that has me utterly fascinated
20:09:28 Watusimoto nominally, it's a project with my son
20:09:37 Watusimoto but he tends to wander off while
20:09:37 raptor neat
20:09:45 Watusimoto "we" are working
20:09:52 raptor ha
20:10:19 Watusimoto though after "we" got it working, I took it completely apart and made him figure out how to rebuild it
20:11:05 raptor great!
20:11:41 raptor i just found a problem on Mac...
20:12:41 raptor when resizing the window, it sends a mouse click..  so if you're in a menu, whatever you have highlighted gets selected
20:14:00 raptor looks like it was in 016, too
20:14:36 raptor I feel like I constantly have a bad taste in my mouth when dealing with Mac + SDL
20:17:22 raptor ha!  it only happens when resizing larger
20:17:25 raptor not smaller
20:18:14 raptor take that back, happens both ways
20:20:34 Watusimoto resizing the window sends a mouse click?!?
20:20:40 raptor argh
20:20:43 Watusimoto wtf?
20:20:43 raptor i know why
20:20:58 raptor it's because on Mac, there are no window borders
20:20:59 Watusimoto because sdl on the mac is ... weak?
20:21:12 Watusimoto so the click to start dragging ends up in the window?
20:21:15 raptor yes
20:21:20 Watusimoto ha
20:21:34 raptor somehow mac looks at a few pixels into the window and allows that to drag
20:21:49 raptor and yes, SDL on Mac is weak
20:21:56 raptor or undermaintained...
20:31:37 raptor whatever - i'm going to pretend it doesn't happen for now
20:33:09 Watusimoto so I found something odd... we have this scoreboard sorting function, that sorts teams by score
20:33:12 Watusimoto but we never use it
20:33:25 Watusimoto I figured we did for showing scores in the scoreboard
20:33:27 raptor really?
20:33:30 raptor where
20:33:33 Watusimoto do you have any knowledge of this?
20:33:40 Watusimoto well, if this compiles, I\'ll check in
20:33:48 Watusimoto and you can see where I moved the code
20:34:13 Watusimoto we had the same sort code in two places, so I created a function to house it
20:34:24 Watusimoto but... it turns out we never looked at the sorted teams in either case
20:34:38 Watusimoto so now we have this nice team sorting function that is unused
20:36:00 raptor i know score is sorted in nexus games
20:36:01 raptor ..
20:36:12 Watusimoto and perhaps it is
20:36:45 Watusimoto checked in
20:36:52 Watusimoto search for getSortedTeamList_score
20:37:03 Watusimoto and that will point to the two locations
20:37:04 raptor ok
20:37:07 Watusimoto netiher was in nexus
20:37:16 Watusimoto both in uigame
20:37:50 BFLogBot - Commit e41ec3265c33 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Fix scoreboard text location, other random cleanup
20:40:13 raptor side note:  does having the 25flags badge make your kill/death ratio red?
20:40:19 raptor on the scoreboard
20:41:25 raptor or maybe its black - my monitor is dying
20:45:18 raptor as for scoring:  GameType::getSortedPlayerScores
20:48:59 Watusimoto >>> does having the 25flags badge make your kill/death ratio red
20:49:04 Watusimoto I don't know, does it?
20:49:08 Watusimoto it shouldn't!
20:49:19 raptor i think it does...
20:49:24 Watusimoto oh, I bet i know what's happening
20:50:27 Watusimoto fixed
20:50:57 Watusimoto so we sort players, but not teams
20:51:04 raptor looks like it
20:51:17 Watusimoto I guess we always show teams in numeric order
20:51:25 Watusimoto maybe that's good; not sure
20:51:29 Watusimoto not going to worrry about it
20:51:43 Watusimoto we have a nice function for sorting them if we want that!
20:55:37 Watusimoto so... thought about the discussion about storing badge numbers in the db...
20:55:44 Watusimoto our current system is error prone
20:56:02 Watusimoto if I gave myself badge 3 somehow, I'd get credit for two of them
20:56:09 Watusimoto so I'm gong to change it
20:56:25 raptor  2^1 + 2^0
20:57:11 Watusimoto yes
20:57:43 Watusimoto better to store the 0 and the 1 rather than the 2^0 and 2^1
21:01:19 raptor except 0 = no badges, right?
21:05:50 Watusimoto not necessarily
21:06:05 Watusimoto oh, well, when everything is or'red together, yes
21:06:18 Watusimoto but badge 0 = BIT(0) = 1
21:06:23 raptor yes
21:06:39 Watusimoto I never knew you could pass an arg to pushd
21:06:48 Watusimoto (looking at the recompile script on the master)
21:06:50 raptor yeah, it's great!
21:07:08 raptor you can create a huge stack of directories to navigate
21:07:41 Watusimoto though... the script never popds
21:07:54 BFLogBot - Commit 71acb5d2718b | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Restore white color after badge rendering
21:07:55 BFLogBot - Commit ce7d975ae944 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Store actual badge values in database -- seems less error prone
21:08:58 raptor yeah - i guess i just did it out of habit
21:09:26 Watusimoto should I add a popd at the end of the script to return you to your starting folder?
21:09:41 raptor does it not return automatically anyways?
21:10:00 raptor since it launches it's own sub-shell, the parent should still stay there..
21:10:16 raptor but sure
21:10:23 raptor hmm...  maybe not..
21:11:04 Watusimoto ok, I'm not doing anything except alerting you to the issue/non-issue
21:11:26 raptor does the script not return you after you run it?
21:11:38 Watusimoto didn't actually check
21:11:42 raptor ok
21:11:45 Watusimoto I see a push... I want t pop
21:12:07 Watusimoto until then, the universe is slightly out of balance
21:12:10 raptor since teh sub-shell exits, it should destroy the stack and take you back to parent's folder
21:12:18 Watusimoto it probably does
21:12:18 raptor haha
21:12:30 Watusimoto leaving no way to restore equlibrium
21:12:37 Watusimoto forever a little tilted
21:12:45 Watusimoto but no matter, you get used to it
21:12:53 Watusimoto on leg just a smidge shorter than the other
21:12:56 Watusimoto you can compensate
21:13:11 raptor haha
21:13:20 Watusimoto just a bit more matter than anti-matter keeps teh universe from imploding
21:14:22 raptor i added it...
21:14:25 Watusimoto ha
21:14:37 Watusimoto even you were feeling uneasy, I see
21:15:52 Watusimoto I like my ill-gotten badge!
21:16:11 raptor did you alter the database already?
21:16:58 Watusimoto yes
21:21:13 Watusimoto when does the high-score week end?
21:21:24 Watusimoto sunday at midnight?
21:21:25 raptor sunday UTC midnight
21:21:31 Watusimoto utc -- that'
21:21:36 Watusimoto s in England, right?
21:21:47 Watusimoto UTC == gmt?
21:21:56 raptor you would not believe the lengths i've gone to try and get it to be on Pacific Standard
21:22:08 raptor UTC == GMT on standard time part of the year
21:22:29 raptor UTC == GMT always on standard
21:25:02 raptor if you look at the query for one of the views, you'll see my latest attempt at getting it on pacific time, which fails miserably
21:25:54 Watusimoto time sucks
21:25:56 Watusimoto sql sucks
21:26:08 Watusimoto time + sql  sucks^2
21:27:21 Watusimoto sometimes, like right now, I can't get the scores from the master
21:27:37 raptor testing..
21:27:39 Watusimoto just sits there saying "retrieving"
21:27:45 raptor got them
21:27:47 Watusimoto just worked
21:28:17 raptor aww, looks like i lost the most games played last week
21:31:58 Watusimoto it was close
21:32:20 raptor do you know where _k went?
21:32:23 Watusimoto do we want to give a badge for a first place finish?
21:32:24 Watusimoto no
21:32:26 raptor he's been gone over a week
21:32:30 Watusimoto prision?
21:32:59 BFLogBot - Commit ca5272e4f8b5 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Fix another text positioning problem
21:33:00 BFLogBot - Commit 6b2432b46743 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: And another...
21:33:02 BFLogBot - Commit 94a2a055a88e | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Add note about when week ends
21:33:02 Watusimoto I was acutally wondg the same thing
21:33:03 raptor we were having a discussion about the uselessness of adding new features like 'pulse' and then he just said 'i'm going to leave for a bit'
21:33:16 Watusimoto huh
21:33:19 raptor and that was it
21:33:28 Watusimoto in the middle of the conversation?
21:36:00 raptor i'm trying to find the log date...
21:36:44 raptor here:  http://bitfighter.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2012-03-01
21:37:36 raptor search for spybugs
21:46:02 raptor ok - i'm off for a few hours - good night!
21:46:46 Watusimoto later
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23:21:22 raptor so just out of curiosity
23:21:57 raptor does the 'standard day' of work/home life end later in Europe?
23:22:40 raptor as in at ~1am instead of ~11pm?
23:24:49 raptor like wise start earlier ~9am instead of ~7am
23:33:41 Watusimoto not sure I understand
23:33:55 Watusimoto as in the US I am the last person to arrive at the office
23:34:13 Watusimoto so *my* schedule is about the same
23:34:16 Watusimoto :-)
23:51:51 raptor you are in the US?
23:52:31 raptor oh no wait, i get it now..
23:54:01 Watusimoto I think people's schedules are similar to those in the us

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15:20:26	raptor	good day!
15:41:44	raptor	looks like Little_Apple relayed my message
15:42:09	raptor	but i found and fixed the high scores problem last night anyways - so you don't have to worrry about it
16:15:44	watusimoto	hi
16:15:50	watusimoto	I saw your fix
16:15:54	watusimoto	this morngin
16:15:55	raptor	hi
16:15:56	watusimoto	seems to work!
16:16:01	raptor	:)
16:16:24	watusimoto	so, when you get a chance, take a look at the diagnostics screen, p3, where all the test icons are laid out
16:16:31	raptor	i did
16:16:40	watusimoto	the very last one is the one I chose for our first badge
16:16:46	raptor	i like it
16:16:53	raptor	although should the flag be white?
16:17:00	watusimoto	I kind of like it, but I feel it is too literal in a way
16:17:10	watusimoto	since all the other ideas I've come up with have been more abstract
16:17:28	watusimoto	but maybe more literal ideas will develop as we decide on real achievements
16:17:40	raptor	seems ok to me...
16:17:50	watusimoto	yes, but you are an engineer :-)
16:17:56	raptor	hehe, true...
16:18:10	watusimoto	I think a white flag would be too monochormatic
16:18:31	watusimoto	especially when displayed in a form with lots of other white text
16:18:36	watusimoto	like the scoreboard
16:18:40	raptor	idea: remove the number and put several smaller flags around the one?
16:18:54	watusimoto	that might work
16:19:02	watusimoto	those could be all different colors
16:19:59	watusimoto	I am a little worried about one thing though
16:20:04	watusimoto	not related to our recent work
16:20:19	raptor	ok
16:20:22	watusimoto	and that is that there has been a steady decline in the number of players for about a month or two
16:20:35	raptor	yes, i've been wondering about that too
16:20:43	watusimoto	we were up around 30-40 unique players per day for a while
16:20:47	watusimoto	now we are around 10
16:20:58	watusimoto	certainly not an all-time low, but still
16:21:26	watusimoto	maybe closer to 15
16:21:43	watusimoto	and forum traffic is waaaay down
16:21:48	raptor	ah
16:21:51	watusimoto	not a bad thing in itself :-)
16:22:04	watusimoto	kind of a relief in a way
16:22:06	watusimoto	but still
16:22:16	raptor	forums traffic coincides exactly with the time _k added a cooldown time to posting
16:22:25	watusimoto	what is that?
16:22:30	raptor	2 min. or so
16:22:34	raptor	between posts
16:22:47	watusimoto	in the same thread, or anywhere?
16:22:51	raptor	anywhere
16:22:53	raptor	i think
16:23:20	watusimoto	well traffic has just kind of dropped off
16:23:39	raptor	i've been wondering if game-play has something to do with 016 bugs
16:23:55	watusimoto	were there any that were that bad?
16:24:05	raptor	mac + fullscreen
16:24:17	raptor	the window would just disappear
16:24:21	watusimoto	ah
16:24:34	watusimoto	well, I think we're close to a release that will fix that
16:24:47	raptor	yes
16:24:53	watusimoto	I've been very good about not adding too many items to the release list
16:25:27	raptor	yeah, i've been trying to only do fixes..
16:25:37	raptor	oh, the music system
16:26:10	raptor	also maybe flag icon something like this: http://www.twiddla.com/780183
16:27:04	raptor	not special really, but no numbers...
16:27:05	watusimoto	I think I prefer #2
16:27:32	watusimoto	the advantage of the numbers is that we can roll out other variants easily if we want, say a 50 flag version
16:27:56	raptor	ah for levels
16:28:05	raptor	bronze/silver/gold?
16:28:14	watusimoto	yes, for examp;e
16:28:20	watusimoto	if that works out in practice
16:28:38	watusimoto	I have no idea if 25 will be easy or hard to achieve
16:28:54	raptor	depends on the level - but in general, i think hard
16:28:54	watusimoto	at least without "cheating"
16:29:37	watusimoto	anyone with a compiler could get the award the way I did -- I hardcoded a \|\| true condition in there long enough for me to win it
16:29:41	watusimoto	the removed it
16:29:57	raptor	i just added myself to the DB :)
16:30:02	watusimoto	even better
16:30:11	raptor	just curious
16:30:22	raptor	did you mean for the mask to be written as the achievement ID?
16:30:34	raptor	i.e 2^(id)
16:30:43	watusimoto	yes, I think I did
16:30:46	raptor	ok
16:30:49	watusimoto	though, really, whatever makes sense
16:31:01	watusimoto	I did it that way because that's what ocurred to me
16:31:07	raptor	that seems simplest for now (programmatically)
16:31:11	watusimoto	not as the result of a deliberation over any alternatives
16:31:17	raptor	ok
16:31:56	watusimoto	so I'm happy to leave it, or happy to change it, if you feel it should be a different way (and are motivated enough to do it :-)
16:32:03	raptor	hehe, nah
16:32:07	raptor	i'm ready to release...
16:32:22	raptor	maybe get some excitement back in the game
16:32:24	watusimoto	let me look at the list
16:32:33	raptor	maybe people are just depressed during winter
16:32:40	watusimoto	!bug
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16:32:52	raptor	or have given their lives to mobile devices and forgot what a 'PC' is
16:33:30	watusimoto	ok #26 is an easy fix -- I know the problem, and will do it tonight
16:34:00	watusimoto	that takes care of section 1
16:34:12	watusimoto	section 2 looks like you fixed everything
16:34:21	watusimoto	section 3...
16:34:26	watusimoto	item 2 is done
16:34:42	watusimoto	so there's 5, 6, and 7
16:34:49	raptor	i haven't even started looking at those...
16:34:51	watusimoto	all easy enough
16:35:04	watusimoto	but there is one other bug that should be on the list
16:35:13	watusimoto	and that's the authentication problem
16:35:23	watusimoto	which I regard as somewhat serious
16:35:35	raptor	i think it may be when master is disconnected
16:35:47	watusimoto	I see no evidence for that
16:36:06	raptor	that is true
16:36:14	raptor	but we know that master down causes the same behavior
16:36:41	raptor	and sam686 made a TNL fix that properly re-checks peoples authentication status, right?
16:36:41	watusimoto	you mean totally down, or intermittetently down?
16:36:51	watusimoto	yes
16:36:58	watusimoto	he made some fix
16:37:00	watusimoto	anyway
16:37:14	watusimoto	he fixes lots of bugs I don't fully understand
16:37:16	raptor	when people join a game with master down, the game server never actually re-authenticates them even if master comes back up
16:37:29	watusimoto	is that the bug he fixed?
16:37:32	raptor	he fixed it so it would (I think)
16:37:44	watusimoto	ok, well, let's test that scenario later
16:38:14	watusimoto	we can also check the database for improperly non-validated players since he made that fix
16:38:54	raptor	well, we'd have to release 017 first
16:38:57	raptor	with the fix
16:39:06	raptor	since the fix was to TNL
16:39:16	watusimoto	oh, right -- I was thinking that was a master fix
16:40:24	watusimoto	I love those names people pick!
16:40:45	raptor	haha
16:40:59	watusimoto	maybe we need an award for picking some foul username that has never been picked before
16:41:05	raptor	hahaha
16:41:06	watusimoto	level silver if it makes me wince
16:41:18	raptor	some awards that only devs can give out...
16:41:24	watusimoto	and gold if it makes me write some sql to remove it from the system
16:42:12	watusimoto	there's slicktic and slickdad
16:42:20	watusimoto	looks like another family affair
16:42:28	raptor	yep it is
16:42:42	raptor	i've played with them a bit - seem like good people
16:42:57	watusimoto	it would be interesting to write a query for known father-son pairs and see if the fathers ever win :-)
16:43:04	raptor	haha
16:43:07	watusimoto	but three's really no point since the answer is well known
16:43:41	watusimoto	ok, well in the past day or two, there have been no misvalidations
16:43:42	raptor	interesting you mention that - slickktic and slickkdad always tried to be on the same team in every game
16:44:12	watusimoto	what does X in win/loss mean again?
16:44:23	raptor	Tied?
16:44:31	raptor	not sure...
16:44:39	watusimoto	one guy scored 33346530
16:44:42	raptor	let me look it up...
16:45:35	watusimoto	alright, feeling a little better about the validation error
16:45:59	raptor	yeah - i honestly think we should release and keep a close eye on it..
16:46:04	watusimoto	ok
16:46:20	watusimoto	I'll see what I can do about the remaining cases tonight
16:46:24	raptor	what's the worst that could happen?
16:46:32	watusimoto	another release1
16:47:14	raptor	'X' means only one player in a single team game
16:47:20	raptor	so invalid win
16:47:26	watusimoto	ah
16:48:48	watusimoto	for a game that so few people play, our stats db is growing quite large
16:48:54	watusimoto	30MB
16:49:19	raptor	well, it should be less now with no editor wins :)
16:49:25	watusimoto	indeed
16:51:33	raptor	in fact, do we save whether a server is 'testing' or 'dedicated'?
16:51:40	raptor	because we could do some sanitizing...
16:51:54	watusimoto	I don't think so
16:52:09	watusimoto	but I just closed by db window :-)
16:52:16	watusimoto	so I can't say for sure
16:52:52	raptor	doesn't look like it...
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20:08:01	Watusimoto	hi
20:08:06	raptor	hello
20:08:25	Watusimoto	are you out for the rest of the day, or is that an old message?
20:08:37	raptor	not gone yet
20:08:40	raptor	in 1.5 hours or so
20:08:52	Watusimoto	must be an old message
20:09:20	Watusimoto	I was working on a lego 2-speed clutch mechanism that has me utterly fascinated
20:09:28	Watusimoto	nominally, it's a project with my son
20:09:37	Watusimoto	but he tends to wander off while
20:09:37	raptor	neat
20:09:45	Watusimoto	"we" are working
20:09:52	raptor	ha
20:10:19	Watusimoto	though after "we" got it working, I took it completely apart and made him figure out how to rebuild it
20:11:05	raptor	great!
20:11:41	raptor	i just found a problem on Mac...
20:12:41	raptor	when resizing the window, it sends a mouse click.. so if you're in a menu, whatever you have highlighted gets selected
20:14:00	raptor	looks like it was in 016, too
20:14:36	raptor	I feel like I constantly have a bad taste in my mouth when dealing with Mac + SDL
20:17:22	raptor	ha! it only happens when resizing larger
20:17:25	raptor	not smaller
20:18:14	raptor	take that back, happens both ways
20:20:34	Watusimoto	resizing the window sends a mouse click?!?
20:20:40	raptor	argh
20:20:43	Watusimoto	wtf?
20:20:43	raptor	i know why
20:20:58	raptor	it's because on Mac, there are no window borders
20:20:59	Watusimoto	because sdl on the mac is ... weak?
20:21:12	Watusimoto	so the click to start dragging ends up in the window?
20:21:15	raptor	yes
20:21:20	Watusimoto	ha
20:21:34	raptor	somehow mac looks at a few pixels into the window and allows that to drag
20:21:49	raptor	and yes, SDL on Mac is weak
20:21:56	raptor	or undermaintained...
20:31:37	raptor	whatever - i'm going to pretend it doesn't happen for now
20:33:09	Watusimoto	so I found something odd... we have this scoreboard sorting function, that sorts teams by score
20:33:12	Watusimoto	but we never use it
20:33:25	Watusimoto	I figured we did for showing scores in the scoreboard
20:33:27	raptor	really?
20:33:30	raptor	where
20:33:33	Watusimoto	do you have any knowledge of this?
20:33:40	Watusimoto	well, if this compiles, I\'ll check in
20:33:48	Watusimoto	and you can see where I moved the code
20:34:13	Watusimoto	we had the same sort code in two places, so I created a function to house it
20:34:24	Watusimoto	but... it turns out we never looked at the sorted teams in either case
20:34:38	Watusimoto	so now we have this nice team sorting function that is unused
20:36:00	raptor	i know score is sorted in nexus games
20:36:01	raptor	..
20:36:12	Watusimoto	and perhaps it is
20:36:45	Watusimoto	checked in
20:36:52	Watusimoto	search for getSortedTeamList_score
20:37:03	Watusimoto	and that will point to the two locations
20:37:04	raptor	ok
20:37:07	Watusimoto	netiher was in nexus
20:37:16	Watusimoto	both in uigame
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20:40:13	raptor	side note: does having the 25flags badge make your kill/death ratio red?
20:40:19	raptor	on the scoreboard
20:41:25	raptor	or maybe its black - my monitor is dying
20:45:18	raptor	as for scoring: GameType::getSortedPlayerScores
20:48:59	Watusimoto	>>> does having the 25flags badge make your kill/death ratio red
20:49:04	Watusimoto	I don't know, does it?
20:49:08	Watusimoto	it shouldn't!
20:49:19	raptor	i think it does...
20:49:24	Watusimoto	oh, I bet i know what's happening
20:50:27	Watusimoto	fixed
20:50:57	Watusimoto	so we sort players, but not teams
20:51:04	raptor	looks like it
20:51:17	Watusimoto	I guess we always show teams in numeric order
20:51:25	Watusimoto	maybe that's good; not sure
20:51:29	Watusimoto	not going to worrry about it
20:51:43	Watusimoto	we have a nice function for sorting them if we want that!
20:55:37	Watusimoto	so... thought about the discussion about storing badge numbers in the db...
20:55:44	Watusimoto	our current system is error prone
20:56:02	Watusimoto	if I gave myself badge 3 somehow, I'd get credit for two of them
20:56:09	Watusimoto	so I'm gong to change it
20:56:25	raptor	2^1 + 2^0
20:57:11	Watusimoto	yes
20:57:43	Watusimoto	better to store the 0 and the 1 rather than the 2^0 and 2^1
21:01:19	raptor	except 0 = no badges, right?
21:05:50	Watusimoto	not necessarily
21:06:05	Watusimoto	oh, well, when everything is or'red together, yes
21:06:18	Watusimoto	but badge 0 = BIT(0) = 1
21:06:23	raptor	yes
21:06:39	Watusimoto	I never knew you could pass an arg to pushd
21:06:48	Watusimoto	(looking at the recompile script on the master)
21:06:50	raptor	yeah, it's great!
21:07:08	raptor	you can create a huge stack of directories to navigate
21:07:41	Watusimoto	though... the script never popds
21:07:54		BFLogBot - Commit 71acb5d2718b \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Restore white color after badge rendering
21:07:55		BFLogBot - Commit ce7d975ae944 \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Store actual badge values in database -- seems less error prone
21:08:58	raptor	yeah - i guess i just did it out of habit
21:09:26	Watusimoto	should I add a popd at the end of the script to return you to your starting folder?
21:09:41	raptor	does it not return automatically anyways?
21:10:00	raptor	since it launches it's own sub-shell, the parent should still stay there..
21:10:16	raptor	but sure
21:10:23	raptor	hmm... maybe not..
21:11:04	Watusimoto	ok, I'm not doing anything except alerting you to the issue/non-issue
21:11:26	raptor	does the script not return you after you run it?
21:11:38	Watusimoto	didn't actually check
21:11:42	raptor	ok
21:11:45	Watusimoto	I see a push... I want t pop
21:12:07	Watusimoto	until then, the universe is slightly out of balance
21:12:10	raptor	since teh sub-shell exits, it should destroy the stack and take you back to parent's folder
21:12:18	Watusimoto	it probably does
21:12:18	raptor	haha
21:12:30	Watusimoto	leaving no way to restore equlibrium
21:12:37	Watusimoto	forever a little tilted
21:12:45	Watusimoto	but no matter, you get used to it
21:12:53	Watusimoto	on leg just a smidge shorter than the other
21:12:56	Watusimoto	you can compensate
21:13:11	raptor	haha
21:13:20	Watusimoto	just a bit more matter than anti-matter keeps teh universe from imploding
21:14:22	raptor	i added it...
21:14:25	Watusimoto	ha
21:14:37	Watusimoto	even you were feeling uneasy, I see
21:15:52	Watusimoto	I like my ill-gotten badge!
21:16:11	raptor	did you alter the database already?
21:16:58	Watusimoto	yes
21:21:13	Watusimoto	when does the high-score week end?
21:21:24	Watusimoto	sunday at midnight?
21:21:25	raptor	sunday UTC midnight
21:21:31	Watusimoto	utc -- that'
21:21:36	Watusimoto	s in England, right?
21:21:47	Watusimoto	UTC == gmt?
21:21:56	raptor	you would not believe the lengths i've gone to try and get it to be on Pacific Standard
21:22:08	raptor	UTC == GMT on standard time part of the year
21:22:29	raptor	UTC == GMT always on standard
21:25:02	raptor	if you look at the query for one of the views, you'll see my latest attempt at getting it on pacific time, which fails miserably
21:25:54	Watusimoto	time sucks
21:25:56	Watusimoto	sql sucks
21:26:08	Watusimoto	time + sql sucks^2
21:27:21	Watusimoto	sometimes, like right now, I can't get the scores from the master
21:27:37	raptor	testing..
21:27:39	Watusimoto	just sits there saying "retrieving"
21:27:45	raptor	got them
21:27:47	Watusimoto	just worked
21:28:17	raptor	aww, looks like i lost the most games played last week
21:31:58	Watusimoto	it was close
21:32:20	raptor	do you know where _k went?
21:32:23	Watusimoto	do we want to give a badge for a first place finish?
21:32:24	Watusimoto	no
21:32:26	raptor	he's been gone over a week
21:32:30	Watusimoto	prision?
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21:33:02	Watusimoto	I was acutally wondg the same thing
21:33:03	raptor	we were having a discussion about the uselessness of adding new features like 'pulse' and then he just said 'i'm going to leave for a bit'
21:33:16	Watusimoto	huh
21:33:19	raptor	and that was it
21:33:28	Watusimoto	in the middle of the conversation?
21:36:00	raptor	i'm trying to find the log date...
21:36:44	raptor	here: http://bitfighter.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2012-03-01
21:37:36	raptor	search for spybugs
21:46:02	raptor	ok - i'm off for a few hours - good night!
21:46:46	Watusimoto	later
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23:21:22	raptor	so just out of curiosity
23:21:57	raptor	does the 'standard day' of work/home life end later in Europe?
23:22:40	raptor	as in at ~1am instead of ~11pm?
23:24:49	raptor	like wise start earlier ~9am instead of ~7am
23:33:41	Watusimoto	not sure I understand
23:33:55	Watusimoto	as in the US I am the last person to arrive at the office
23:34:13	Watusimoto	so my schedule is about the same
23:34:16	Watusimoto	:-)
23:51:51	raptor	you are in the US?
23:52:31	raptor	oh no wait, i get it now..
23:54:01	Watusimoto	I think people's schedules are similar to those in the us