#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-03-19

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00:52:31 raptor ok, SDL2 works much better on mac, but i need to figure out how to add back the shortcut keys to the menu
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01:11:56 Watusimoto if it's not a mac specific problem, spell it out and I'll have a look on windows
01:11:58 Watusimoto good night
01:12:09 raptor it's mac-specific
01:12:11 raptor good night
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15:26:38 raptor good morning!
16:46:44 watusimoto hi
16:46:50 raptor hello
16:47:16 raptor i'm afraid I can't use SDL2 for Mac for 017 like I was hoping...
16:48:05 raptor one technical issue is holding me back:  how to use a custom Cocoa menu with SDL2
16:48:18 raptor because it builds up its own menu with no shortcuts
16:51:24 watusimoto what does that mean?
16:51:36 watusimoto we don't use cocoa menus, do we?
16:51:59 raptor SDL2 now wraps (properly) the Mac Cocoa framework
16:52:04 raptor so it's practically native
16:52:46 raptor and originally, SDL 1.2 would use cocoa bindings to build up the menu with the shortucts (like command q)
16:53:23 raptor but it used the quartz window framwork
16:53:55 raptor for whatever reason, SDL 2 build up a really basic menu in comparison, and I can't figure out how to override it...
16:54:33 watusimoto where do these menus come into play?  they're not in the game
16:54:53 raptor remember all the mac users complaining that command+q wasn't working?
16:55:44 raptor those come from the mac menus - which are required for every application on mac
16:57:21 watusimoto so this is when you are interacting with the app from the os level
16:57:27 raptor correct
16:57:38 watusimoto why don't those keys happen automatically?
16:57:48 watusimoto why should we need to mess around with them at all?
16:58:19 watusimoto we don't have to handle alt-tab, for example
16:58:24 raptor because mac allows for every application to have custom menus
16:58:56 raptor and the default is like a simple file menu with a quit option tied to no shortcut
16:59:08 watusimoto you wrote: it builds up its own menu
16:59:21 watusimoto what builds them up?
16:59:22 raptor it = SDL, yes
16:59:22 watusimoto sdl?
16:59:38 watusimoto and sdl ignores os conventions
16:59:43 watusimoto ?
17:00:02 raptor well..  to define 'convention' in this case means almost nothing at all
17:00:13 raptor the convention exists, but is not defaulted to by the OS
17:00:16 watusimoto command-q is a convention, no?
17:00:35 watusimoto or is that something that all apps code in themselves?
17:00:40 raptor ^^ that
17:00:41 raptor both
17:00:52 raptor it is a convention that the OS makes all apps code in themselves
17:00:53 watusimoto kind of like ctrl-a selects everything in the editor
17:01:12 watusimoto it's a convention, but we code it
17:01:17 watusimoto or not, at our discretion
17:01:20 raptor hehe, yep
17:01:25 watusimoto but when it's missing people squak
17:01:31 raptor yep yep
17:01:34 watusimoto ok
17:01:36 watusimoto so
17:01:37 raptor squakety squake
17:02:02 watusimoto what do you recommend?  do you think this is something sdl will fix, or are we stuck until we figure a way around it?
17:02:13 raptor I think either:
17:02:16 watusimoto i.e. is this an sdl bug, or just a design decision on their part
17:02:19 raptor 1.  I will patch SDL myself
17:02:23 watusimoto fun!
17:02:44 raptor 2.  I will find someone who knows how to include a custom menu file in SDL from a c++ project
17:02:48 raptor and they will help me
17:03:39 raptor but i've had no luck on #2 yet, even with the all-powerful google
17:04:50 raptor #1 will be a bit difficult - it is obj-c
17:05:06 watusimoto is this something that most(all) sdl apps will want?
17:05:10 raptor yes
17:05:28 watusimoto so you could make the patch and pass it upstream or file a bug and hope they do it
17:05:57 watusimoto we can certainly do the 017 release without sdl2, so we have time
17:06:11 raptor yeah, i figure that may be best...
17:06:29 watusimoto want to file a bug report, then put sdl2 on ice?
17:07:03 raptor i've been asking on the #sdl channel about it...
17:07:26 raptor oh and i found a ppc compile issue i posted to the mailing list
17:07:31 raptor so i think ice is good for now
17:07:39 watusimoto ok, suits me
17:08:10 raptor it'll give me more time
17:08:43 watusimoto ok, well I think there is a better than even chance we can get 017 wrapped up tonight
17:09:03 raptor yes!!
17:09:36 watusimoto did you ever settle on a sfx for panel destruction, or should I find one this evening?
17:09:45 raptor no
17:09:51 raptor i couldn't make up my mind
17:09:55 watusimoto :-)
17:10:07 watusimoto I have the same problem
17:10:10 watusimoto ok, I'll find one
17:11:20 watusimoto ok, I'm heading out; I'll be on later and we can review the todo list and see what needs to be wrapped up
17:11:29 raptor ok cool
17:11:34 raptor i'll be here all day :)
17:11:35 watusimoto or deferred
17:11:42 watusimoto have fun!
17:11:49 raptor later
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18:08:00 raptor blech - i may have to somehow call an ObjC method from our c++ main()
18:08:53 raptor this is the closest i found to a solution, but i don't understand it fully yet:  http://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?t=7279&sid=3e668a75606593e4308b67c5a4d7ee93
18:10:07 raptor blech:  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/525609/use-c-with-cocoa-instead-of-objective-c
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19:54:17 Watusimoto hi
19:54:25 raptor hello
20:01:56 Watusimoto going to try to fix this last paper bug
20:06:56 raptor is that the error message one?
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20:28:08 Watusimoto fixed
20:29:04 raptor yay
20:30:40 raptor I'm trying to figure out how to call a Cocoa ObjC method from out main.cpp...  so far failing miserably
20:32:53 raptor so...  does this mean we can release?
20:33:25 raptor oh wait..  sound effect..
20:36:21 Watusimoto I should also test a few more game timer scenarios, just to make sure I didn't screw anything up
20:36:35 Watusimoto I'm hoping that cores will now rotate on unlim time games
20:37:04 BFLogBot - Commit 3a932da56cee | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Trap untrapped error message
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20:38:34 Watusimoto they do!
20:39:13 raptor what
20:39:15 raptor really!?
20:39:37 raptor did you program a new game timer?
20:39:42 raptor like a server timer?
20:39:47 Watusimoto yes; that was a side-effect of my fixes yesterday.  Game timer continues to count down even when set to unlim
20:40:01 Watusimoto so we can rely on the timer
20:40:09 raptor great!
20:40:35 raptor actual time synchonization - i would have never thought we'd get this far...  :]
20:40:58 raptor uh
20:41:13 raptor maybe i need to clean compile TNL, too...
20:41:21 Watusimoto ok, still a problem with nexus games when game is set to unlimited time in the level file; should be an easy fix
20:42:08 BFLogBot - Commit 7cf052a7479a | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: whitespace
20:42:32 raptor ok, i just did /settime 0 in a Core game and all the Cores stopped rotating
20:42:38 Watusimoto looks like an easy fix
20:42:44 Watusimoto really?
20:42:50 Watusimoto not for me
20:42:51 raptor yeah, through hosting a game
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20:43:09 Watusimoto I hosted via test; should make no difference
20:43:23 Watusimoto hello danger
20:43:26 raptor i did clean compile of tnl and zap, just to make sure
20:43:28 danger89 hi
20:43:38 danger89 I dont know who are the devs in this IRC
20:43:42 Watusimoto a dutchman in our midst
20:43:46 raptor me neither
20:43:50 danger89 however try to compile bitfighter from source under GNU/Linux
20:43:58 danger89 dat klopt, hallo
20:44:03 raptor uhh...  i guess that's me then
20:44:22 Watusimoto the only dutch I understand is that which I can translate to german
20:44:25 raptor danger89: what distribution + version are you running?
20:44:34 Watusimoto and then it needs ot be german I understnad, limiting it somewhat
20:44:50 danger89 well 'you' should add readline to the dependencies of bitfighter
20:45:04 Watusimoto ah yes, the secret dependency
20:45:10 raptor that's for lua, right?
20:45:15 Watusimoto I think so
20:45:27 Watusimoto though we don't actually use it
20:45:32 raptor because we sure don't use it with our reinvention of tab-completion..
20:45:34 Watusimoto or the part of lua that uses it
20:45:37 danger89 gcc -O2 -Wall -DLUA_USE_LINUX   -c -o lua.o lua.c
20:45:37 danger89 In file included from lua.h:17:0,
20:45:37 danger89                  from lua.c:15:
20:45:37 danger89 luaconf.h:275:31: fatale fout: readline/readline.h
20:45:40 danger89 seems to be yes
20:45:42 Watusimoto but it is needed
20:45:50 danger89 exactly
20:45:55 danger89 I got it installed, no problem
20:45:59 danger89 but just FYI
20:46:10 danger89 add it to the readme or sth
20:46:17 Watusimoto wait... did you actually read some documentation?
20:46:23 raptor danger89: what distro are you on?
20:47:05 danger89 just Ubuntu based
20:47:07 danger89 Linux Mint
20:47:15 danger89 64bit
20:47:16 danger89 with awesome window manager
20:47:28 raptor did ubuntu not package bitfighter yet?!?
20:47:45 Watusimoto I gave up on them
20:47:53 raptor what!>?
20:47:55 Watusimoto I can't run it on my mint either
20:48:17 Watusimoto let's check
20:48:19 danger89 raptor: ahha it is packed for Ubuntu
20:48:35 Watusimoto Version: 0.0.016-1~getdeb2
20:48:36 danger89 but I found it a pain in the ass to grap the deb
20:48:42 danger89 stupid getdeb
20:49:05 Watusimoto looks like it finally got done
20:49:05 Watusimoto http://www.playdeb.net/updates/ubuntu/11.10/?q=bitfighter
20:49:05 raptor well, they'll get to lag behind again soon enough...  :)
20:49:10 Watusimoto if you care
20:49:32 danger89 will the be a make install soon
20:49:35 Watusimoto I talked to the guy doing that site... he seems overwhelmed
20:49:36 danger89 ?*
20:49:51 raptor i bet
20:49:56 Watusimoto he does all the packaging manually
20:50:09 raptor 'make install' does not exist...
20:50:12 Watusimoto or at least parts of it
20:50:23 Watusimoto so danger, what docs did you read?
20:50:29 Watusimoto i.e. where do we need to update?
20:50:31 raptor you can just copy the resource/* into the exe/ folder
20:50:52 Watusimoto updated 2012-02-25
20:51:19 raptor poor guy
20:51:34 raptor i bet he'll get burnt out soon unless others help him
20:51:42 danger89 Watusimoto: uhm you can add the readline dep to the README.txt
20:52:02 Watusimoto oh... the readme
20:52:07 danger89 yep
20:52:09 Watusimoto I'm kind of scared to look
20:52:12 Watusimoto to be honest
20:52:27 Watusimoto one of the players rewrote it about 2 years ago
20:53:00 danger89 off-topic README.txt shouldnt have an extension xD
20:53:02 raptor i know i rewrote some doc somewhere, once
20:53:15 raptor danger89: we run on windows and Mac, too
20:53:18 Watusimoto read.me?  :-)
20:53:26 danger89 well thanks to the LAS, they named your game. That is how I found you
20:53:33 Watusimoto LAS?
20:53:39 danger89 Linux Action Show ;)
20:53:51 danger89 Watusimoto: no extension, just README
20:54:00 Watusimoto I need to see what this is...
20:54:06 raptor http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/tag/linux-action-show/
20:54:53 Watusimoto it's a video!
20:55:02 Watusimoto google suggests this episode
20:55:04 Watusimoto http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/18071/bryan-hates-freedom-las-s21e01/
20:55:29 danger89 yes :P
20:55:49 Watusimoto sponsored by godaddy!  My favorite!
20:55:58 danger89 that about freedom is about the previous episode with Richard Stallman
20:56:09 danger89 but ok
20:56:22 danger89 just check LAS :P
20:56:23 danger89 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=tree;h=c16fa4f2ad19908a47c63d8fa436a1178438c7e7;hb=c16fa4f2ad19908a47c63d8fa436a1178438c7e7
20:56:31 danger89 you see how they use the README :P?
20:56:34 Watusimoto I always though richard stallman was thinner
20:56:45 danger89 you though wrong xD
20:57:17 danger89 Linus is maybe
20:57:44 raptor it's around 9:30
20:57:59 Watusimoto just found it
20:58:09 Watusimoto I was very wrong, apparently
20:58:32 raptor hey look, you're the only player
21:00:01 raptor interesting...
21:00:15 Watusimoto that's awesome!
21:00:28 Watusimoto I was on there twice by the end of the episode
21:00:32 raptor haha, yeah
21:01:01 danger89 so.. :P
21:01:15 danger89 i try to play it too now ahah
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21:03:48 raptor i like that were not really ships, but triangles
21:03:58 Watusimoto they even used my robotron line
21:04:05 Watusimoto which is in fact a total lie
21:04:09 Watusimoto but it is spreading
21:04:17 raptor does this mean we can put it on wikipedia?
21:04:26 Watusimoto now we have two sources
21:04:39 Watusimoto they'll still remove the article
21:05:08 Watusimoto but maybe worth another try, especially if we still have the old one around
21:05:52 raptor i forgot i have to take off in 45 min for about 1.5 hours today
21:05:59 raptor i'll look at that readme..
21:07:07 Watusimoto this is what I thought stallman looked like:
21:07:08 Watusimoto http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/HowardStern2000.jpg/220px-HowardStern2000.jpg
21:07:12 Watusimoto but with a beard
21:07:18 raptor hahaha
21:07:24 Watusimoto and maybe no shades
21:10:00 raptor ok, updated readme
21:10:08 raptor I did rewrite the whole thing for 016
21:12:10 Watusimoto great, thanks
21:12:13 BFLogBot - Commit 5dbd149219d5 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Update readme for hidden linux dependencies
21:14:41 raptor made another small change...
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21:24:50 Watusimoto oh, one side effect of all this timer work is that unlimited games now only last 24 days
21:25:06 Watusimoto just as a bit of trivia
21:25:30 Watusimoto 2^31 ms
21:25:45 raptor except
21:25:55 raptor core is still stationary for me...
21:31:14 Watusimoto found one use case that's unravelling everything else
21:31:24 Watusimoto but core WILL work
21:31:30 Watusimoto if it doesn't already
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21:42:40 raptor whoa, it works
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21:44:20 raptor cool
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21:56:05 Watusimoto it was probably your readme fix
21:56:17 raptor haha
21:56:30 raptor (it was actually because I forgot to re-link tnl...)
21:58:02 raptor ok, i'm heading out for about 1.5 hours...
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22:00:26 Watusimoto later
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23:07:24 BFLogBot - Commit bcfad35cda00 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: I am so freakin' sick of this timer issue
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23:17:41 raptor ok back
23:18:24 raptor timer issue over with?
23:25:57 raptor after you /settime 0 now, every 2 rotations the Core skips a few degrees
23:26:10 raptor must be a rounding issue..
23:39:48 raptor hi koda
23:40:30 koda hey there raptor
23:40:42 raptor Objc question for you if you have time - have you ever called a Cocoa class from c++?
23:41:47 raptor specifically, I am trying to do this:  http://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?t=7279&sid=3e668a75606593e4308b67c5a4d7ee93
23:42:46 koda yes
23:42:56 koda it's doable
23:43:03 koda you need to create virtual c++ class
23:43:12 koda and implement the methods in a .mm file
23:43:18 koda objc with c++ syntax
23:44:01 raptor i need to call [NSApplication sharedApplication] but my main is in c++
23:44:21 raptor i've been reading the mac docs on objc slowly...
23:44:30 raptor trying to get used to the syntax
23:44:43 koda you need to call that only to get the reference to the application instance
23:44:49 koda so that you can call nsmenus on it
23:44:56 koda i suggest that you read this http://el-tramo.be/blog/mixing-cocoa-and-qt/
23:45:03 koda it was enlightening for me
23:45:11 koda (aka i shamelessy copied)
23:45:13 koda :D
23:45:16 raptor hehe, great!
23:45:18 raptor thanks
23:45:42 koda you can create a method of that virtual class that does everything for you before sdl_init
23:45:54 raptor excellent
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23:47:17 raptor thanks a million!
23:48:52 koda np :)
23:49:06 raptor good job on getting accepted to GSOC again
23:49:14 koda \o/
23:49:16 koda thanks
23:51:39 koda let's hope it goes well like last year
23:52:02 koda i wished we managed to get out a release before the start
23:56:48 LoneWolfy Gsoc?

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01:11:56	Watusimoto	if it's not a mac specific problem, spell it out and I'll have a look on windows
01:11:58	Watusimoto	good night
01:12:09	raptor	it's mac-specific
01:12:11	raptor	good night
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15:26:38	raptor	good morning!
16:46:44	watusimoto	hi
16:46:50	raptor	hello
16:47:16	raptor	i'm afraid I can't use SDL2 for Mac for 017 like I was hoping...
16:48:05	raptor	one technical issue is holding me back: how to use a custom Cocoa menu with SDL2
16:48:18	raptor	because it builds up its own menu with no shortcuts
16:51:24	watusimoto	what does that mean?
16:51:36	watusimoto	we don't use cocoa menus, do we?
16:51:59	raptor	SDL2 now wraps (properly) the Mac Cocoa framework
16:52:04	raptor	so it's practically native
16:52:46	raptor	and originally, SDL 1.2 would use cocoa bindings to build up the menu with the shortucts (like command q)
16:53:23	raptor	but it used the quartz window framwork
16:53:55	raptor	for whatever reason, SDL 2 build up a really basic menu in comparison, and I can't figure out how to override it...
16:54:33	watusimoto	where do these menus come into play? they're not in the game
16:54:53	raptor	remember all the mac users complaining that command+q wasn't working?
16:55:44	raptor	those come from the mac menus - which are required for every application on mac
16:57:21	watusimoto	so this is when you are interacting with the app from the os level
16:57:27	raptor	correct
16:57:38	watusimoto	why don't those keys happen automatically?
16:57:48	watusimoto	why should we need to mess around with them at all?
16:58:19	watusimoto	we don't have to handle alt-tab, for example
16:58:24	raptor	because mac allows for every application to have custom menus
16:58:56	raptor	and the default is like a simple file menu with a quit option tied to no shortcut
16:59:08	watusimoto	you wrote: it builds up its own menu
16:59:21	watusimoto	what builds them up?
16:59:22	raptor	it = SDL, yes
16:59:22	watusimoto	sdl?
16:59:38	watusimoto	and sdl ignores os conventions
16:59:43	watusimoto	?
17:00:02	raptor	well.. to define 'convention' in this case means almost nothing at all
17:00:13	raptor	the convention exists, but is not defaulted to by the OS
17:00:16	watusimoto	command-q is a convention, no?
17:00:35	watusimoto	or is that something that all apps code in themselves?
17:00:40	raptor	^^ that
17:00:41	raptor	both
17:00:52	raptor	it is a convention that the OS makes all apps code in themselves
17:00:53	watusimoto	kind of like ctrl-a selects everything in the editor
17:01:12	watusimoto	it's a convention, but we code it
17:01:17	watusimoto	or not, at our discretion
17:01:20	raptor	hehe, yep
17:01:25	watusimoto	but when it's missing people squak
17:01:31	raptor	yep yep
17:01:34	watusimoto	ok
17:01:36	watusimoto	so
17:01:37	raptor	squakety squake
17:02:02	watusimoto	what do you recommend? do you think this is something sdl will fix, or are we stuck until we figure a way around it?
17:02:13	raptor	I think either:
17:02:16	watusimoto	i.e. is this an sdl bug, or just a design decision on their part
17:02:19	raptor	1. I will patch SDL myself
17:02:23	watusimoto	fun!
17:02:44	raptor	2. I will find someone who knows how to include a custom menu file in SDL from a c++ project
17:02:48	raptor	and they will help me
17:03:39	raptor	but i've had no luck on #2 yet, even with the all-powerful google
17:04:50	raptor	#1 will be a bit difficult - it is obj-c
17:05:06	watusimoto	is this something that most(all) sdl apps will want?
17:05:10	raptor	yes
17:05:28	watusimoto	so you could make the patch and pass it upstream or file a bug and hope they do it
17:05:57	watusimoto	we can certainly do the 017 release without sdl2, so we have time
17:06:11	raptor	yeah, i figure that may be best...
17:06:29	watusimoto	want to file a bug report, then put sdl2 on ice?
17:07:03	raptor	i've been asking on the #sdl channel about it...
17:07:26	raptor	oh and i found a ppc compile issue i posted to the mailing list
17:07:31	raptor	so i think ice is good for now
17:07:39	watusimoto	ok, suits me
17:08:10	raptor	it'll give me more time
17:08:43	watusimoto	ok, well I think there is a better than even chance we can get 017 wrapped up tonight
17:09:03	raptor	yes!!
17:09:36	watusimoto	did you ever settle on a sfx for panel destruction, or should I find one this evening?
17:09:45	raptor	no
17:09:51	raptor	i couldn't make up my mind
17:09:55	watusimoto	:-)
17:10:07	watusimoto	I have the same problem
17:10:10	watusimoto	ok, I'll find one
17:11:20	watusimoto	ok, I'm heading out; I'll be on later and we can review the todo list and see what needs to be wrapped up
17:11:29	raptor	ok cool
17:11:34	raptor	i'll be here all day :)
17:11:35	watusimoto	or deferred
17:11:42	watusimoto	have fun!
17:11:49	raptor	later
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18:08:00	raptor	blech - i may have to somehow call an ObjC method from our c++ main()
18:08:53	raptor	this is the closest i found to a solution, but i don't understand it fully yet: http://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?t=7279&sid=3e668a75606593e4308b67c5a4d7ee93
18:10:07	raptor	blech: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/525609/use-c-with-cocoa-instead-of-objective-c
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19:54:17	Watusimoto	hi
19:54:25	raptor	hello
20:01:56	Watusimoto	going to try to fix this last paper bug
20:06:56	raptor	is that the error message one?
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20:28:08	Watusimoto	fixed
20:29:04	raptor	yay
20:30:40	raptor	I'm trying to figure out how to call a Cocoa ObjC method from out main.cpp... so far failing miserably
20:32:53	raptor	so... does this mean we can release?
20:33:25	raptor	oh wait.. sound effect..
20:36:21	Watusimoto	I should also test a few more game timer scenarios, just to make sure I didn't screw anything up
20:36:35	Watusimoto	I'm hoping that cores will now rotate on unlim time games
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20:38:34	Watusimoto	they do!
20:39:13	raptor	what
20:39:15	raptor	really!?
20:39:37	raptor	did you program a new game timer?
20:39:42	raptor	like a server timer?
20:39:47	Watusimoto	yes; that was a side-effect of my fixes yesterday. Game timer continues to count down even when set to unlim
20:40:01	Watusimoto	so we can rely on the timer
20:40:09	raptor	great!
20:40:35	raptor	actual time synchonization - i would have never thought we'd get this far... :]
20:40:58	raptor	uh
20:41:13	raptor	maybe i need to clean compile TNL, too...
20:41:21	Watusimoto	ok, still a problem with nexus games when game is set to unlimited time in the level file; should be an easy fix
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20:42:32	raptor	ok, i just did /settime 0 in a Core game and all the Cores stopped rotating
20:42:38	Watusimoto	looks like an easy fix
20:42:44	Watusimoto	really?
20:42:50	Watusimoto	not for me
20:42:51	raptor	yeah, through hosting a game
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20:43:09	Watusimoto	I hosted via test; should make no difference
20:43:23	Watusimoto	hello danger
20:43:26	raptor	i did clean compile of tnl and zap, just to make sure
20:43:28	danger89	hi
20:43:38	danger89	I dont know who are the devs in this IRC
20:43:42	Watusimoto	a dutchman in our midst
20:43:46	raptor	me neither
20:43:50	danger89	however try to compile bitfighter from source under GNU/Linux
20:43:58	danger89	dat klopt, hallo
20:44:03	raptor	uhh... i guess that's me then
20:44:22	Watusimoto	the only dutch I understand is that which I can translate to german
20:44:25	raptor	danger89: what distribution + version are you running?
20:44:34	Watusimoto	and then it needs ot be german I understnad, limiting it somewhat
20:44:50	danger89	well 'you' should add readline to the dependencies of bitfighter
20:45:04	Watusimoto	ah yes, the secret dependency
20:45:10	raptor	that's for lua, right?
20:45:15	Watusimoto	I think so
20:45:27	Watusimoto	though we don't actually use it
20:45:32	raptor	because we sure don't use it with our reinvention of tab-completion..
20:45:34	Watusimoto	or the part of lua that uses it
20:45:37	danger89	gcc -O2 -Wall -DLUA_USE_LINUX -c -o lua.o lua.c
20:45:37	danger89	In file included from lua.h:17:0,
20:45:37	danger89	from lua.c:15:
20:45:37	danger89	luaconf.h:275:31: fatale fout: readline/readline.h
20:45:40	danger89	seems to be yes
20:45:42	Watusimoto	but it is needed
20:45:50	danger89	exactly
20:45:55	danger89	I got it installed, no problem
20:45:59	danger89	but just FYI
20:46:10	danger89	add it to the readme or sth
20:46:17	Watusimoto	wait... did you actually read some documentation?
20:46:23	raptor	danger89: what distro are you on?
20:47:05	danger89	just Ubuntu based
20:47:07	danger89	Linux Mint
20:47:15	danger89	64bit
20:47:16	danger89	with awesome window manager
20:47:28	raptor	did ubuntu not package bitfighter yet?!?
20:47:45	Watusimoto	I gave up on them
20:47:53	raptor	what!>?
20:47:55	Watusimoto	I can't run it on my mint either
20:48:17	Watusimoto	let's check
20:48:19	danger89	raptor: ahha it is packed for Ubuntu
20:48:35	Watusimoto	Version: 0.0.016-1~getdeb2
20:48:36	danger89	but I found it a pain in the ass to grap the deb
20:48:42	danger89	stupid getdeb
20:49:05	Watusimoto	looks like it finally got done
20:49:05	Watusimoto	http://www.playdeb.net/updates/ubuntu/11.10/?q=bitfighter
20:49:05	raptor	well, they'll get to lag behind again soon enough... :)
20:49:10	Watusimoto	if you care
20:49:32	danger89	will the be a make install soon
20:49:35	Watusimoto	I talked to the guy doing that site... he seems overwhelmed
20:49:36	danger89	?*
20:49:51	raptor	i bet
20:49:56	Watusimoto	he does all the packaging manually
20:50:09	raptor	'make install' does not exist...
20:50:12	Watusimoto	or at least parts of it
20:50:23	Watusimoto	so danger, what docs did you read?
20:50:29	Watusimoto	i.e. where do we need to update?
20:50:31	raptor	you can just copy the resource/* into the exe/ folder
20:50:52	Watusimoto	updated 2012-02-25
20:51:19	raptor	poor guy
20:51:34	raptor	i bet he'll get burnt out soon unless others help him
20:51:42	danger89	Watusimoto: uhm you can add the readline dep to the README.txt
20:52:02	Watusimoto	oh... the readme
20:52:07	danger89	yep
20:52:09	Watusimoto	I'm kind of scared to look
20:52:12	Watusimoto	to be honest
20:52:27	Watusimoto	one of the players rewrote it about 2 years ago
20:53:00	danger89	off-topic README.txt shouldnt have an extension xD
20:53:02	raptor	i know i rewrote some doc somewhere, once
20:53:15	raptor	danger89: we run on windows and Mac, too
20:53:18	Watusimoto	read.me? :-)
20:53:26	danger89	well thanks to the LAS, they named your game. That is how I found you
20:53:33	Watusimoto	LAS?
20:53:39	danger89	Linux Action Show ;)
20:53:51	danger89	Watusimoto: no extension, just README
20:54:00	Watusimoto	I need to see what this is...
20:54:06	raptor	http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/tag/linux-action-show/
20:54:53	Watusimoto	it's a video!
20:55:02	Watusimoto	google suggests this episode
20:55:04	Watusimoto	http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/18071/bryan-hates-freedom-las-s21e01/
20:55:29	danger89	yes :P
20:55:49	Watusimoto	sponsored by godaddy! My favorite!
20:55:58	danger89	that about freedom is about the previous episode with Richard Stallman
20:56:09	danger89	but ok
20:56:22	danger89	just check LAS :P
20:56:23	danger89	http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=tree;h=c16fa4f2ad19908a47c63d8fa436a1178438c7e7;hb=c16fa4f2ad19908a47c63d8fa436a1178438c7e7
20:56:31	danger89	you see how they use the README :P?
20:56:34	Watusimoto	I always though richard stallman was thinner
20:56:45	danger89	you though wrong xD
20:57:17	danger89	Linus is maybe
20:57:44	raptor	it's around 9:30
20:57:59	Watusimoto	just found it
20:58:09	Watusimoto	I was very wrong, apparently
20:58:32	raptor	hey look, you're the only player
21:00:01	raptor	interesting...
21:00:15	Watusimoto	that's awesome!
21:00:28	Watusimoto	I was on there twice by the end of the episode
21:00:32	raptor	haha, yeah
21:01:01	danger89	so.. :P
21:01:15	danger89	i try to play it too now ahah
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21:03:48	raptor	i like that were not really ships, but triangles
21:03:58	Watusimoto	they even used my robotron line
21:04:05	Watusimoto	which is in fact a total lie
21:04:09	Watusimoto	but it is spreading
21:04:17	raptor	does this mean we can put it on wikipedia?
21:04:26	Watusimoto	now we have two sources
21:04:39	Watusimoto	they'll still remove the article
21:05:08	Watusimoto	but maybe worth another try, especially if we still have the old one around
21:05:52	raptor	i forgot i have to take off in 45 min for about 1.5 hours today
21:05:59	raptor	i'll look at that readme..
21:07:07	Watusimoto	this is what I thought stallman looked like:
21:07:08	Watusimoto	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/HowardStern2000.jpg/220px-HowardStern2000.jpg
21:07:12	Watusimoto	but with a beard
21:07:18	raptor	hahaha
21:07:24	Watusimoto	and maybe no shades
21:10:00	raptor	ok, updated readme
21:10:08	raptor	I did rewrite the whole thing for 016
21:12:10	Watusimoto	great, thanks
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21:14:41	raptor	made another small change...
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21:24:50	Watusimoto	oh, one side effect of all this timer work is that unlimited games now only last 24 days
21:25:06	Watusimoto	just as a bit of trivia
21:25:30	Watusimoto	2^31 ms
21:25:45	raptor	except
21:25:55	raptor	core is still stationary for me...
21:31:14	Watusimoto	found one use case that's unravelling everything else
21:31:24	Watusimoto	but core WILL work
21:31:30	Watusimoto	if it doesn't already
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21:42:40	raptor	whoa, it works
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21:44:20	raptor	cool
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21:56:05	Watusimoto	it was probably your readme fix
21:56:17	raptor	haha
21:56:30	raptor	(it was actually because I forgot to re-link tnl...)
21:58:02	raptor	ok, i'm heading out for about 1.5 hours...
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22:00:26	Watusimoto	later
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23:17:41	raptor	ok back
23:18:24	raptor	timer issue over with?
23:25:57	raptor	after you /settime 0 now, every 2 rotations the Core skips a few degrees
23:26:10	raptor	must be a rounding issue..
23:39:48	raptor	hi koda
23:40:30	koda	hey there raptor
23:40:42	raptor	Objc question for you if you have time - have you ever called a Cocoa class from c++?
23:41:47	raptor	specifically, I am trying to do this: http://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?t=7279&sid=3e668a75606593e4308b67c5a4d7ee93
23:42:46	koda	yes
23:42:56	koda	it's doable
23:43:03	koda	you need to create virtual c++ class
23:43:12	koda	and implement the methods in a .mm file
23:43:18	koda	objc with c++ syntax
23:44:01	raptor	i need to call [NSApplication sharedApplication] but my main is in c++
23:44:21	raptor	i've been reading the mac docs on objc slowly...
23:44:30	raptor	trying to get used to the syntax
23:44:43	koda	you need to call that only to get the reference to the application instance
23:44:49	koda	so that you can call nsmenus on it
23:44:56	koda	i suggest that you read this http://el-tramo.be/blog/mixing-cocoa-and-qt/
23:45:03	koda	it was enlightening for me
23:45:11	koda	(aka i shamelessy copied)
23:45:13	koda	:D
23:45:16	raptor	hehe, great!
23:45:18	raptor	thanks
23:45:42	koda	you can create a method of that virtual class that does everything for you before sdl_init
23:45:54	raptor	excellent
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23:47:17	raptor	thanks a million!
23:48:52	koda	np :)
23:49:06	raptor	good job on getting accepted to GSOC again
23:49:14	koda	\o/
23:49:16	koda	thanks
23:51:39	koda	let's hope it goes well like last year
23:52:02	koda	i wished we managed to get out a release before the start
23:56:48	LoneWolfy	Gsoc?