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| 00:00:22 | sam686 | hi |
| 00:00:28 | raptor | hi sam686 |
| 00:00:43 | raptor | Watusimoto and I have been thinking about doing another BBB |
| 00:01:14 | raptor | _k is probably going to be gone for a while; or, maybe for good... |
| 00:02:18 | raptor | if we announced one for some friday night in the future, would we be able to use your VPS for the temporary server? |
| 00:03:13 | sam686 | maybe, _k has been doing all the scheduling and hosting (now he is not here to do that) |
| 00:04:58 | raptor | watusimoto said he may be able to do prizes... |
| 00:05:34 | raptor | I could do the anouncement (not much, I know, but I don't have a VPS or can buy prizes..) |
| 00:07:42 | sam686 | next thing, the level selections... |
| 00:07:48 | raptor | oh yeah! |
| 00:07:55 | raptor | you mean level design contest? |
| 00:08:36 | sam686 | maybe any levels that is big enough and good enough will do.. |
| 00:08:51 | raptor | well, there are two serious editor bugs... we may want to level design contest after 018 |
| 00:09:00 | raptor | oh, level selections for the BBB, yes |
| 00:09:02 | raptor | i understand now |
| 00:09:16 | raptor | we could make a forum post for a vote? |
| 00:10:29 | sam686 | maybe yes, though could simply ask what map anyone want to play during BBB |
| 00:10:43 | raptor | i think that'd be too much hassle |
| 00:11:09 | raptor | i think we should have a bunch of maps ready first and in order, then change to a different one if wanted |
| 00:11:57 | sam686 | ok |
| 00:13:19 | raptor | when do you think would be a good date? April 27th? May 4th? |
| 00:13:30 | raptor | i'll ask watusimoto tomorrow as well |
| 00:13:57 | sam686 | i don't know, either would work... |
| 00:15:51 | raptor | ok |
| 00:15:58 | raptor | how about score keeping? |
| 00:16:03 | raptor | do you know how _k did it? |
| 00:16:20 | raptor | did he just record it all and looked through the recordings? |
| 00:17:11 | sam686 | so far, they add a point for each player that wins (for teams, all players in a win team gets a point) |
| 00:17:19 | raptor | ah ok |
| 00:17:50 | sam686 | though, sometimes team changing at the last second to a winning team doesn't count |
| 00:18:05 | raptor | yes, so he mus tlook at the scoreboards... |
| 00:18:36 | sam686 | but maybe the "vote must pass to change team" addition may prevent most cases change team abuse... (admin can change team without such vote to pass) |
| 00:19:41 | raptor | did he enable voting? |
| 00:19:59 | sam686 | no, but i can if i host a big battle |
| 00:22:03 | sam686 | as for video recorder, guess who can record the video gameplay? |
| 00:22:55 | sam686 | i still have a full big battle 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 videos... http://www.youtube.com/user/sam6861 |
| 00:23:42 | sam686 | i have heard _k records videos too, but often doesn't upload any (maybe 1 or 2) video of gameplay during BBB |
| 00:24:30 | raptor | you'd be perfect! :) |
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| 02:16:34 | mollie | hi |
| 02:16:38 | sam686 | hi |
| 02:16:39 | raptor | hi |
| 02:16:39 | | BFLogBot - Commit 903b2e22ff35 | Author: sam8641 | Log: Someone who did the conversion to SDL 2.0 got the mouse wheel reversed, now fixed. |
| 02:16:47 | raptor | haha |
| 02:16:49 | raptor | thanks sam686 |
| 02:16:56 | raptor | no wait! |
| 02:16:58 | raptor | actually |
| 02:17:02 | raptor | that was watusimoto |
| 02:17:05 | mollie | what |
| 02:17:19 | raptor | he thinks the mouse is the right way when we think reversed... |
| 02:17:33 | mollie | wow |
| 02:17:40 | zoomber_mbp | hey raptor, do you know where you got that logbot link of yours? |
| 02:17:45 | sam686 | i think it was the right way, till you got windows version to use SDL 2.0 |
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| 02:18:18 | zoomber_mbp | gonna need it for our irc network, which seems to be running real well right now |
| 02:18:19 | sam686 | hint, using mouse wheel in editor zooms the opposite.. |
| 02:18:28 | raptor | pircbot |
| 02:18:32 | sam686 | compared to web browser ctrl + mouse wheel |
| 02:18:33 | raptor | is what i based it off of |
| 02:18:38 | raptor | but i made heavy modifications |
| 02:18:47 | zoomber_mbp | oh wait, can't i just hg your's? |
| 02:18:55 | zoomber_mbp | you have it on the google code don't you? |
| 02:18:59 | zoomber_mbp | I |
| 02:19:02 | raptor | yes |
| 02:19:07 | raptor | it's in the 'tools' repo here: https://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/source/list?repo=tools |
| 02:19:11 | zoomber_mbp | Ill name it raptorbot, to credit you |
| 02:19:14 | raptor | nah |
| 02:19:28 | zoomber_mbp | ok, different nickname, but full name raptorbot? |
| 02:19:32 | zoomber_mbp | or even just desc? |
| 02:19:45 | raptor | nah, i need no credit... |
| 02:19:55 | raptor | but i'd be interested in any modifications you make |
| 02:20:04 | sam686 | if you are running an IRC server, why do you need a bot when you can modify the IRC server? |
| 02:20:14 | zoomber_mbp | ok |
| 02:20:29 | raptor | zoomber_mbp: also, there are loads of other bots that don't use as much memory, written in other languages besides java |
| 02:20:36 | zoomber_mbp | what do you mean sam? |
| 02:20:39 | raptor | but i used that one because i could modify it fast |
| 02:20:49 | zoomber_mbp | raptor: its fine, i'm hosting this logbot on my old bad cpu 208 server |
| 02:21:17 | sam686 | some IRC servers are open source, and is possible to code some things in it to do what ever you want... |
| 02:21:20 | zoomber_mbp | really just for personal channel use. i'm switching irc networks now that it seems our irc is really stable |
| 02:21:45 | zoomber_mbp | yeah sam, our's is based off unrealirc |
| 02:22:49 | zoomber_mbp | its surprisingly nice though, the host is a nice 10 GB ram'd server, and fair ram-sized links |
| 02:23:19 | sam686 | dedicated server, or virtual server? |
| 02:23:21 | zoomber_mbp | though we aren't exactly correct with links yet, chanserv/whatever works though |
| 02:23:39 | zoomber_mbp | not sure sam, it's not my server, but i can login to it and check |
| 02:24:15 | zoomber_mbp | yes sam, i feel like it is |
| 02:24:38 | sam686 | 10 GB is a bit too much to be virtual... |
| 02:24:47 | zoomber_mbp | we have 512 mB swap |
| 02:24:51 | zoomber_mbp | 15 GB ram |
| 02:25:03 | sam686 | if it has multiple CPU cores that can be used, then it is probably dedicated.. |
| 02:25:16 | zoomber_mbp | nah, remember my paris server? |
| 02:25:33 | zoomber_mbp | i switched to a german server, at a better deal, which is VPS but I have four core access, and it actually works like that |
| 02:26:50 | zoomber_mbp | by the way, i have no use for the paris server anymore, since i moved to the german one, but realized there was 1 month left on it, do you want it? Its got 2 Gb and 1.5 GB swap on it |
| 02:27:01 | zoomber_mbp | err, jk, i meant burst* |
| 02:27:02 | zoomber_mbp | not swap |
| 02:27:14 | sam686 | now a days, more computers have 2 or more cores, and only a cheap tiny laptop may have single core... |
| 02:27:51 | zoomber_mbp | teamspeak is using 200% of cpu on the server |
| 02:27:55 | zoomber_mbp | that's a bit odd, in my mind.. |
| 02:28:18 | zoomber_mbp | considering java (minecraft) is only taking uup 20% cpu on that server |
| 02:28:27 | zoomber_mbp | four cores = 400% power i'm assuming |
| 02:28:45 | sam686 | maybe there is bugs in teamspeak causing high CPU usage, i guess |
| 02:30:50 | zoomber_mbp | well anyways, |
| 02:44:09 | zoomber_mbp | sam: do you want my server? |
| 02:44:25 | zoomber_mbp | orrrr, we could run dozens of bit fighter servers |
| 02:44:35 | zoomber_mbp | better yet, one bit fighter server, with a lot of bots, since the cpu and memory can handle it |
| 02:45:12 | zoomber_mbp | 176.31.145.34 |
| 02:46:07 | sam686 | which version are you using, i don't see it on 017 |
| 02:47:00 | sam686 | oh well, back to 74.3-something |
| 02:48:07 | zoomber_mbp | no, i think bit fighter got wiped on it, and it would have been 016 |
| 02:49:40 | sam686 | oh ok, i might have already got on it once and only created my own (sam686 user with my own password, with "sudo" access to anything) ... then i forgot about it till now |
| 02:50:34 | zoomber_mbp | not sure, if its not there anymore, you can make it again |
| 02:50:50 | zoomber_mbp | or just use the root account |
| 02:51:21 | zoomber_mbp | which i'm completely fine with if you'd rather. |
| 02:51:37 | zoomber_mbp | can call it, bitfighter sam686 2, or something more creative |
| 02:52:34 | sam686 | you told me to get on at april 6 ( i think) thats when i created sam686 on it |
| 02:57:17 | zoomber_mbp | oh i did? |
| 02:57:18 | zoomber_mbp | oh |
| 02:57:30 | zoomber_mbp | ool |
| 02:57:31 | zoomber_mbp | cool |
| 02:58:34 | sam686 | except, "No package mercurial available." when trying yum mercurial |
| 02:58:44 | raptor | add the epel |
| 02:59:05 | sam686 | oh i see, i missed a step |
| 03:01:18 | sam686 | i get errors, |
| 03:01:22 | sam686 | error: skipping http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/epel/5/x86_64/epel-release-5-4.noarch.rpm - transfer failed - Unknown or unexpected error |
| 03:02:14 | sam686 | is http://download.fedora.redhat.com dead? |
| 03:02:34 | sam686 | i was looking at http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Building_Bitfighter .. "Building a dedicated server" |
| 03:04:15 | sam686 | when ever i tri to visit download.fedora.redhat.com, i get this page: http://www.website-unavailable.com/?url=download%2Efedora%2Eredhat%2Ecom |
| 03:04:18 | zoomber_mbp | maybe it's epel/6/.... |
| 03:04:34 | zoomber_mbp | oh nvm |
| 03:04:44 | sam686 | no, the whole website is dead at the moment.. |
| 03:04:49 | zoomber_mbp | ah |
| 03:04:59 | zoomber_mbp | could i send it to you somehow? |
| 03:05:05 | zoomber_mbp | maybe wget an offsite installer? |
| 03:05:10 | zoomber_mbp | not sure if thats possible |
| 03:05:21 | zoomber_mbp | compiling services myself atm |
| 03:05:51 | sam686 | or i could ftp all the files, with my computer hosting the files |
| 03:06:22 | sam686 | but it is much easier if it has hg (which is showing up as "command not found") |
| 03:08:07 | zoomber_mbp | sam |
| 03:08:10 | zoomber_mbp | i have an idea |
| 03:08:31 | zoomber_mbp | you can hg-get them on another server (like 216 or 74 server), tar them, and move them to the html folder |
| 03:08:37 | zoomber_mbp | then, wget them from this paris serv |
| 03:28:01 | zoomber_mbp | wow this is gonna be great. Chanserv is moved to a nice roomy 3 GB server |
| 03:28:56 | zoomber_mbp | hey raptor, you use SSL to connect to free node right? |
| 03:29:27 | sam686 | raptor's info: is using a secure connection |
| 03:29:41 | zoomber_mbp | ok |
| 03:29:43 | sam686 | you can easily look for that line when doing /whois |
| 03:30:02 | zoomber_mbp | bah, it was an excuse to get his attention :p |
| 03:32:08 | raptor | attention? |
| 03:33:29 | sam686 | http://208.107.12.78:12345/ i can port forward to any ip address... to Bitfighter web page.. Port from: 12345 Protocol TCP IP Address: 199.192.229.168 Port to: 80 |
| 03:34:43 | sam686 | http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/port_foward.PNG |
| 03:34:59 | zoomber_mbp | hey raptor, only if you have a minute, can you do a small favor for me but has an importance of 1000x the actual favor's weight? |
| 03:35:06 | raptor | haha |
| 03:35:10 | raptor | perhaps |
| 03:35:48 | zoomber_mbp | just connect #help to irc.proelio.net or irc.whiskcraft.net with SSL? |
| 03:35:57 | sam686 | by the way, raptor, what did you say about adding it to epal, full command? |
| 03:36:02 | sam686 | http://download.fedora.redhat.com doesn't work |
| 03:36:08 | zoomber_mbp | sam, your router is only up 3 days? |
| 03:36:43 | sam686 | it had a restart sometime in midnight, not sure, i guess a very short power outage? |
| 03:36:45 | raptor | what port? |
| 03:36:48 | raptor | 6667 is down |
| 03:37:35 | sam686 | what are you tring to do, mysql on which address, mine? |
| 03:37:49 | raptor | oops, meant to connect to 6697 |
| 03:42:01 | zoomber_mbp | i see sam686 try to connect to whisk craft, but never joined #help. had issue? |
| 03:46:42 | zoomber_mbp | see you later raptor: (message for you on #help) |
| 03:49:55 | zoomber_mbp | hey raptor: any trace of karamazovapy? |
| 03:50:21 | raptor | negatory |
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| 04:10:35 | zoomber_mbp | not even a bye :( |
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| 15:14:28 | raptor | yeah |
| 15:14:29 | raptor | so |
| 15:15:02 | raptor | i just found out about *another* family in my neighborhood who isn't vaccinating their kids... and one of them plus the father got whooping cough |
| 15:45:32 | watusimoto | whoa |
| 15:45:40 | watusimoto | at least they didn't die from the vaccination |
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| 16:09:35 | raptor | sigh |
| 16:10:28 | raptor | i suppose it takes a rich, complacent society to forget little things like dead children because of these diseases |
| 16:27:12 | watusimoto | no one thinks it will happen -- these diseases are so remote |
| 16:27:29 | raptor | except measles and pertussis are coming back now |
| 16:27:35 | raptor | and those diseases kill people |
| 16:27:42 | raptor | children |
| 16:27:45 | watusimoto | yes, but people haven't relearned that |
| 16:28:01 | watusimoto | I don't disagree with you -- I think not vaccinating your kids is crazy |
| 16:28:12 | raptor | it's just sad that re-learning carries such a high cost |
| 16:28:17 | watusimoto | yes |
| 16:28:35 | raptor | my wife's grandma remembers the polio days vividly |
| 16:28:45 | watusimoto | I'm glad I don't |
| 16:29:11 | raptor | and she thinks the current wave of ignorant moms deciding not to vaccinate their kids is a death sentence |
| 16:32:08 | watusimoto | for some it will be |
| 16:32:45 | watusimoto | but from an individual's POV, the risk of polio is quite low, but from society's POV, it is quite high |
| 16:34:04 | watusimoto | as with anything vaccination has a risk. If you think the the risk of vaccination is greater than the risk of polio, you will probably forego vaccination. Most who do are fine |
| 16:34:57 | raptor | luckily we have such good nutrition nowadays (debatable for some, I know) |
| 16:35:05 | watusimoto | but if you are unlucky... |
| 16:36:49 | raptor | there was this anti-DPT movement in the 70s and 80s i think |
| 16:37:21 | raptor | said it caused brain damage - but it turned out to be epilepsy in a lot of the cases |
| 16:39:16 | raptor | it took like 10 - 20 years for the public to wisen up |
| 16:58:54 | raptor | anyways... |
| 16:58:59 | raptor | bitfighter t-shirt is expensive |
| 16:59:19 | raptor | i wouldn't buy one... |
| 16:59:22 | watusimoto | way too expensive |
| 16:59:33 | watusimoto | heading home... be back in a bit |
| 16:59:38 | raptor | later |
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| 17:25:47 | raptor | back already? 12 min later... |
| 17:29:00 | Watusimoto | this guy's post almost perfectly describes how we handle lua binding |
| 17:29:04 | Watusimoto | with proxy objects |
| 17:29:24 | Watusimoto | except we've solved the problem he wa asking about, about how to delete the proxy object when we're done |
| 17:29:25 | Watusimoto | http://www.gamedev.net/topic/383027-lua-detecting-references-to-userdata/ |
| 17:29:38 | Watusimoto | I wonder if he stole my idea! |
| 17:29:42 | Watusimoto | he's even using Lunar! |
| 17:30:01 | Watusimoto | oh wait, he posted before we started using lua |
| 17:30:07 | Watusimoto | 2006 |
| 17:30:10 | raptor | you stole his? |
| 17:31:27 | Watusimoto | not on purpose |
| 17:31:48 | Watusimoto | i want to get rid of the proxy object business, and use smart pointers instead |
| 17:31:55 | raptor | wait wait - the guy has an object called GameObject |
| 17:32:05 | raptor | coincidence? |
| 17:32:14 | Watusimoto | with the levelgens sticking around as they will, I don't want to wrap every object in a proxy class |
| 17:32:14 | raptor | yes, probably... |
| 17:32:19 | Watusimoto | probably not! |
| 17:32:21 | Watusimoto | thief! |
| 17:34:13 | Watusimoto | btw, the LuaWrapper code claims to support smartpointers |
| 17:34:32 | Watusimoto | i'm wondering if lunar would also, if I just shoved a smart pointer into it |
| 17:35:14 | raptor | still debating on whether to use LuaW instead? |
| 17:35:46 | Watusimoto | well, the real issue is how can we avoid creating proxy objects all over the place |
| 17:36:00 | Watusimoto | the secondary issue is how can we handle subclassing properly |
| 17:36:15 | Watusimoto | LW will help with the second one |
| 17:36:28 | Watusimoto | but the first problem is bigger. maybe smart pointers would work |
| 17:38:05 | Watusimoto | unfortunately, no good ideas in that thread; but it may help you understand how things work |
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| 19:44:18 | sam686 | 4297 (9b48f03304ac) is where the mouse wheel is correct (on windows) which used sdl 1.something |
| 19:44:21 | sam686 | c5944acf89a9 is when the mouse wheel got reversed after a change to SDL 2.0 |
| 19:44:31 | raptor | ok, yes |
| 19:44:34 | sam686 | thats when I fixed it last night to make it right |
| 19:44:35 | raptor | that was my fault |
| 19:45:57 | raptor | my problem was that i coded it to the mouse-wheel weapon change |
| 19:46:07 | raptor | but Watusimoto coded it backwards, so my code was wrong... :) |
| 20:10:52 | Watusimoto | I don't think I did |
| 23:03:52 | | BFLogBot - Commit 8d6d543409db | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Levelgens working again, at least nominally |
| 23:03:54 | | BFLogBot - Commit 039a3ab856f8 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Clean out debugging code |
| 23:03:55 | | BFLogBot - Commit e069be324093 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Merge |
| 23:03:58 | | BFLogBot - Commit eb750d840083 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Editor plugins no longer crash, but still don't work. NOTE LUA SCRIPT UPDATE! |
| 23:59:05 | | BFLogBot - Commit 5b7e5471db70 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Plugins work now |
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