#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-05-04

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03:05:42 IAmBeard don't worry Heyub, i don't think we'd exceede the 7mb boundary I'm setting for the map, and even that is a large estimate
03:05:54 IAmBeard :)
03:12:00 Heyub Then I think I conveyed the wrong message lol
03:12:58 IAmBeard well, I'm not going to encourage people to make huge maps, and in fact, I want to try and encourage shared resources, meaning different packs may share sound effects, or textures
03:13:05 IAmBeard meaning if you have it once, you won't need it again
03:14:58 Heyub Yeah, that is a big help for 3D maps, using textures existing in stock maps.
03:15:29 Heyub Though bitfighter doesnt necessarily have that, and I doubt a map would use many textures.
03:16:28 IAmBeard anyway, night time for me
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05:11:01 zoomber_mbp howdy
05:11:08 zoomber_mbp hey sam686 you on?
05:11:11 Heyub Hello
05:11:16 sam686 hi
05:11:37 zoomber_mbp well, i don't know what we just did, but I now get about 50 mbps home internet speed
05:12:16 sam686 are you connected to different wireless?
05:12:26 zoomber_mbp no, we switched to a cable modem
05:12:35 zoomber_mbp and are going through our tv service i guess..
05:12:44 sam686 oh, ok thats changes speed..
05:12:51 zoomber_mbp of course
05:13:18 zoomber_mbp but it's just hard to wrap your mind around a friend coming to your house with a modem changing your speed from 2.5 mbps to 50
05:13:25 zoomber_mbp though wireless i get around 20
05:13:40 sam686 yes, wireless G is limited to about 20 Mbps
05:13:57 zoomber_mbp though mine actually might be on N, but week signal as I'm in another room
05:13:58 sam686 both your computer and router need to support wireless N to get faster wireless
05:14:06 zoomber_mbp they do, i think
05:14:56 sam686 what router is it?  a cable router?  or a separate cable modem + router?
05:15:15 zoomber_mbp cable modem + time capsule
05:15:18 zoomber_mbp apple ^
05:15:57 sam686 well, how do you get wireless then?
05:16:09 zoomber_mbp apple time capsule = wireless router too
05:16:55 sam686 oh, i guess your "apple time capsule" is acking like a router...
05:17:30 sam686 which means any port foward you need will need to be set up on your "apple time captule"
05:18:21 zoomber_mbp Yes, i set it up myself that way
05:18:30 zoomber_mbp but, the friend who came over added a dns server of 8.8.8.8
05:18:55 zoomber_mbp not sure what to think right now, but all i can say is i have two internets now...
05:19:16 sam686 http://theos.in/windows-xp/free-fast-public-dns-server-list/  any DNS server listed there should work too..
05:20:51 sam686 without DNS, you can only connect to IP address of a web page (such as http://74.125.225.41 )
05:20:56 zoomber_mbp ah ok
05:21:24 zoomber_mbp we used to have a default whatever att used, but i guess this time we have to specify a dns server ourself
05:21:55 zoomber_mbp hmm
05:22:05 zoomber_mbp i don't know what to do now, download a big file i suppose
05:22:18 sam686 yes, i pretty much configured my router a static DNS server to 208.67.222.222 and 8.8.8.8 ,  it always worked for me
05:22:48 sam686 2 or more DNS servers is good in case one goes dead..
05:23:32 sam686 http://speedtest.net/  are you able to speed test?
05:26:10 zoomber_mbp yeah
05:26:13 zoomber_mbp i get around 50 hard wired
05:26:39 zoomber_mbp my server is practically a dedicated server now, just OSX instead of linux
05:27:02 sam686 mines is about 30 MBps download,  5 Mbps upload  (my download speed goes down to 20 Mbps on wireless connection (wifi G)
05:27:24 zoomber_mbp i could almost move my bit fighter servers to my own home
05:28:36 sam686 by the way, the server  96.44.134.183  appears to have died  on May 1
05:28:51 sam686 which may be a now dead fehosting
05:41:03 zoomber_mbp nooooooooooooooooo
05:41:03 zoomber_mbp ]
05:41:06 zoomber_mbp i shall take alook
06:17:44 zoomber_mbp hmmmmmm
06:53:13 zoomber_mbp sweet, when someone emails me something, i can convert it to a google docs file
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07:20:05 zoomber_mbp hey watusimoto
07:20:25 sam686 zoomber_mbp  ever consider fixing your avatar?  http://bitfighter.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76
07:20:39 zoomber_mbp not sure where the original pic went
07:26:46 zoomber_mbp if you have the original picture, sure then
07:27:04 zoomber_mbp it seems imageshack lost my picture
07:30:48 sam686 looks like mono may be workking  "mono --version"
07:30:53 zoomber_mbp sweet
07:31:31 zoomber_mbp ok
07:32:38 zoomber_mbp ok well it looks like its working
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07:40:26 sam686 i will need to go, good night
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14:46:50 Heyub There is an impostor in our midst.
15:14:15 IAmBeard :O
15:14:34 IAmBeard likely a pingtimeout
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15:36:44 Little_Apple helloooooo
15:38:49 Little_Apple aaand everyone appears to be afk.
15:38:51 Little_Apple of well
15:38:53 Little_Apple OH WELL.
15:46:25 Heyub hi
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15:49:29 raptor good day!
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15:50:20 Heyub Hello
15:50:44 raptor i'm trying to get a github account so i can contribute my ppc changes to naev...
15:50:52 raptor but i'm still stuck on a username
15:50:54 raptor bah
15:56:43 kodaws hello
15:56:48 raptor hi kodaws
15:56:54 kodaws naev? what's that
15:57:04 raptor http://naev.org
15:57:23 raptor another OSS game from which I have stolen code ideas liberally  :)
15:57:40 raptor I also package for them like I do with hedgewars in the OBS
15:59:59 kodaws ooh i see
16:00:08 kodaws another possible gsoc target :p
16:00:22 raptor haha, yep
16:00:41 raptor the game mostly lacks further story development
16:00:55 raptor in my opinion...
16:03:15 kodaws how's bitfighter goin?
16:03:16 kodaws g
16:03:38 raptor doing good, i think - still a small community
16:03:51 raptor but we released 017a - the 2nd iteration with SDL
16:03:58 raptor so it's a lot more stable (again)
16:10:14 kodaws :)
16:10:38 kodaws i still believe that gsoc would have increased your community :p
16:10:58 kodaws who's doing the graphics these days
16:11:25 raptor all of us...  sort of
16:11:36 raptor not much to do when it's just vector graphics
16:11:56 raptor i think you are right with gsoc...
16:12:04 raptor i just have no time  :(
16:24:37 kodaws we've got 5 slots
16:24:47 raptor wow
16:24:52 kodaws that's going to require an immense work
16:27:58 watusimoto I want to do it, but we don't have dev coverage for the whole summer.  I can do it most of the time, but there will be periods when I am away.
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17:50:49 Heyub I
17:50:59 Heyub 've never known someone to be stuck so long on a name, raptor.
17:51:07 raptor ugh
17:51:18 raptor it's the hardest choice of them all...
17:56:54 Heyub Take your curremt name, then your two previous names.  Use your current name, then after include the first two letters of the previous two as if they are your initials.
17:57:08 raptor i'm too picky
18:13:50 Heyub Mom is bent on sending me to summer classes :<
18:24:18 IAmBeard Heyub, grade 11 or 12?
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18:32:35 Heyub 11
18:32:49 raptor you should do 'different' classes
18:33:01 raptor like karate, or dance, or claymaking
18:33:13 raptor or guitar
18:33:39 raptor ukelele
18:39:37 IAmBeard if you want to meet some awesome people, most universities do summer courses that are open to highschoolers, and it counts towards university credits
18:39:47 raptor ^^ that is an excellent idea
18:39:55 raptor in fact, just skip 12th grade
18:40:14 IAmBeard lol
18:46:37 IAmBeard i actually did a victory lap in highschool - i was the year just after they got rid of grade 13 in canada
18:47:20 IAmBeard i was like "screw this, i do whatever I want" - hah - no, actually it's because I was really sick in highschool and funny-enough, i needed more open-credits (already did all the required stuff by gr11)
19:10:36 BFLogBot - Commit ca8eee25e142 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Further simplify lua interface -- no more dummy static functions required (mostly)
19:10:57 Watusimoto well, for better worse, testItems and asteroids now have a lua method to determine if they are mounted to a ship
19:11:10 Watusimoto the answer is generally no....
19:11:31 raptor haha
19:11:37 raptor 'generally' huh?
19:11:51 Watusimoto not sure if this is a good thing or not.  maybe good -- less need to parse item types to figure out which ones you can run certain methods on
19:12:14 Watusimoto maybe we need an asteroid carrying module
19:12:54 Watusimoto but my latest improviemnts on the lua coding follow the underlying object model more closely
19:13:24 raptor great!
19:13:33 Watusimoto not necessarily... but I can remove a bunch of code.
19:13:45 raptor exactly
19:13:45 Watusimoto why should the lua object model mirror the c++ one?
19:14:17 Watusimoto well this is the way we're going, I think
19:14:36 Watusimoto things look a lot less cluttered
19:14:53 Watusimoto and I really like using luaW inheritance
19:15:00 Watusimoto it really simplifies things
19:15:52 Watusimoto { "getLoc",          luaW_doMethod<Item, &getLoc>          },
19:16:22 Watusimoto maps the lua fn getLoc to a function that checks the proxy, and runs getLoc on the c++ object passing L as a single parameter
19:16:44 Watusimoto and it maps it to Item and everythign that inhertis from Item
19:17:02 raptor i like the simplicity
19:17:08 Watusimoto yes, I do to
19:17:15 Watusimoto handles all the casting and such as well
19:17:17 Watusimoto very clean
19:17:44 Watusimoto templates to the rescue!
19:20:26 raptor so i've been thinking about the bot logic
19:20:49 raptor if, for instace, i want to move the orbit(Point) ability into c++
19:21:00 raptor whould that still be called on every onTick?
19:21:28 Watusimoto I'm not sure
19:21:44 Watusimoto that particular item might require more design
19:22:00 raptor becuase our current orbit() method will just recalculate the next position again on each tick and go there...
19:22:10 raptor which isn't really task-oriented
19:22:22 Watusimoto we'd need to create support for navigation along a path without querying the robot
19:22:49 Watusimoto so the robot would need to "file a flight plan" and the go, perhaps with an event call when it arrived at a destination
19:23:07 Watusimoto so in your case, the flight plan might be to orbit a point
19:23:54 Watusimoto we already have the concept of a flight plan; I think they are a series of way points that a bot can fly in a straight ilne between
19:24:21 raptor yes - however i think it is only for following the A* route right now
19:24:22 Watusimoto but we have no code to make the bot fly along that flight plan without calling ontick to set the bot's move every tick
19:24:31 raptor yes that^^
19:25:15 raptor because i don't think the onTick() stuff is really intuitive enough for people who want to create bots
19:26:13 Watusimoto so the first step is probably finding a way to tell the bot to start flying along the flight plan, and creating an event call like onArrive() that gets fired when the bot arrives
19:26:47 Watusimoto then the next step is probably figuring a way to let flight plans be things like orbital paths rather than A* point-to-point paths as they are now
19:27:16 Watusimoto maybe create a FlightPath class?  (thinking aloud here)
19:27:28 Watusimoto and subclass OrbitalPath
19:27:51 raptor would we need a greater BotTask class?
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19:28:02 Watusimoto not sure
19:28:03 raptor or do we want to go task-driven at all?
19:28:11 Watusimoto what's the alternative?
19:28:21 Watusimoto I think we do, at least for flight
19:28:49 raptor yeah - _k always said the worst part about bots was making them go somewhere
19:29:36 Watusimoto maybe we'd write something like bot->setMove(bot->getFlightPlan()->getMove())
19:29:54 Watusimoto and that would set the movement portion of the bot's move
19:31:16 raptor wait - there is the method  thrustToPt
19:31:24 raptor i bet _k didn't even know about that...
19:31:26 Watusimoto maybe in Lua we'd say:
19:31:55 Watusimoto bot:fileFlightPlan(destinationPoint)
19:32:39 Watusimoto or bot:fileFlightPlan(new OrbitFlightPlan(orbitPoint))
19:32:59 Watusimoto bot:fileFlightPlan(new FlightPlan(destinationPoint))
19:33:40 Watusimoto bot:fileFlightPlan(new ZigZagFlightPlan(destPoint, zigMagnitude))
19:33:54 raptor then in onTick() we could use an interruptFlightPlan()  and resumeFlightPlan()
19:34:05 Watusimoto yes, sure
19:34:39 Watusimoto or, if we unsubscribed to onTick(), it could be onIncomingProjectile(interruptFlightPlan())
19:35:03 raptor can you do that?  unsubscribe from onTick()
19:35:06 Watusimoto wait, not quite right
19:35:07 Watusimoto sure
19:35:24 Watusimoto there's a sample in the wiki
19:35:47 Watusimoto You can also use timers and events to create a basic sleep function:
19:35:47 Watusimoto function sleep(time)                                  -- Sleep time in ms
19:35:47 Watusimoto    unsubscribe(TickEvent)                             -- Stop getting tick events until...
19:35:47 Watusimoto    Timer:scheduleOnce("subscribe(TickEvent)", time)   -- ...we resubscribe!
19:35:47 Watusimoto end
19:35:58 raptor ahhh
19:36:30 raptor i didn't know timers were available from Lua...
19:36:39 Watusimoto Bots are automatically subscribed to onTick(), but they can unsubscribe
19:36:44 Watusimoto we have a very cool timer class
19:36:54 Watusimoto http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Programming_robots#Timers
19:37:19 Watusimoto I plundered that from some other game
19:40:40 raptor neat
19:41:27 Watusimoto I like it alot
19:41:34 Watusimoto never used, as far as I know
19:42:14 Watusimoto if you unsubscribe from everything, I think the bot is basically toast
19:42:42 raptor sitting duck
19:42:48 raptor or not spawn-able?
19:53:28 Watusimoto it will spawn
19:53:31 Watusimoto and sit
19:53:40 raptor quack quack
19:55:48 Watusimoto wow -- in C++ you can overload the () operator
19:56:54 raptor what
19:56:56 raptor no way
19:58:53 raptor ha!  you can do the comma, too
20:00:21 Watusimoto to be honest, I didn't even realize that () was an operator
20:00:29 Watusimoto any more than the ; is
20:00:32 raptor yeah, me neither
20:00:39 Watusimoto overload the ,?
20:01:30 raptor http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C++_Programming/Operators/Operator_Overloading?section=14#Comma_operator
20:37:42 Heyub I tried the trumpet.  The inhabitants of the household responded by saying "Please do something else."
20:39:06 raptor or racquetball
20:39:07 Heyub The issue is finding classes that teach what I want to learn, and do not cost too much money.
20:39:12 raptor tennis?
20:39:23 Heyub We use to do some sports but gass prices killed the idea.
20:39:39 raptor ah
20:39:43 raptor carpentry
20:39:48 raptor :)
20:39:57 Heyub Funny you should say that...
20:40:03 Heyub Im helping dad build a house.
20:40:08 raptor great!
20:40:21 Heyub Unfortunately my back isnt the best for that :(
20:42:05 Heyub I am very interested in learning to program, in particular, C.  Though I will probably have to settle for C++.
20:42:51 raptor both are evil
20:42:54 raptor i mean good
20:42:58 Heyub lol
20:43:51 sam686 c, and c++ have several things that are the same..
20:43:51 Heyub It concerns me though, that it will cost 2-4k just for a couple weeks of classes...  I could learn it myself, it would be harder, but it would be free.
20:44:04 raptor i learned it myself
20:44:14 raptor well, for various definitions of 'learn'
20:44:32 Heyub I tried several years ago but failed.
20:44:37 raptor the key is to have an objective, then use the chosen language to accomplish it no matter what
20:44:52 Heyub Why do you think I hang around open source games?
20:44:57 Heyub :P
20:44:58 raptor hehe
20:45:07 raptor start smaller maybe?
20:45:18 sam686 maybe, to take a look at source code?
20:45:39 Heyub Well I had given up on programming and turned a focus to the graphical side of things.
20:45:47 raptor like to teach myself python - i decided i wanted to write a script that will parse text out of .cpp file
20:46:15 raptor that's it
20:46:19 raptor start with text processing
20:46:27 Heyub Im not there yet, I have promised to complete a few models before I can change my focus.
20:46:30 raptor then go to running other commands...
20:46:32 raptor ah
20:46:50 Heyub I did create a calculator from C once.
20:50:00 Heyub I have also grown interested in lua...  But between everything else that will probably take the back burner.
21:00:32 raptor oh i forgot
21:00:38 raptor it's starwars day
21:00:47 Heyub what...
21:00:51 raptor yeah...
21:00:58 raptor 'May the forth be with you...'
21:01:03 raptor :)
21:01:05 Heyub lol
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22:47:34 raptor aparently this is better than Triangle, in both accuracy and speed:  http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~ungor/aCute/index.html
22:47:43 raptor oh rats, he left
23:01:07 raptor I think when i get home i'll add in aCute optimizations to the Triangle library...  and see how bad it goes...
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23:49:18 IAmBeard alright, i'm just getting started on another great code cleanup spree :)

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03:05:42	IAmBeard	don't worry Heyub, i don't think we'd exceede the 7mb boundary I'm setting for the map, and even that is a large estimate
03:05:54	IAmBeard	:)
03:12:00	Heyub	Then I think I conveyed the wrong message lol
03:12:58	IAmBeard	well, I'm not going to encourage people to make huge maps, and in fact, I want to try and encourage shared resources, meaning different packs may share sound effects, or textures
03:13:05	IAmBeard	meaning if you have it once, you won't need it again
03:14:58	Heyub	Yeah, that is a big help for 3D maps, using textures existing in stock maps.
03:15:29	Heyub	Though bitfighter doesnt necessarily have that, and I doubt a map would use many textures.
03:16:28	IAmBeard	anyway, night time for me
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05:11:01	zoomber_mbp	howdy
05:11:08	zoomber_mbp	hey sam686 you on?
05:11:11	Heyub	Hello
05:11:16	sam686	hi
05:11:37	zoomber_mbp	well, i don't know what we just did, but I now get about 50 mbps home internet speed
05:12:16	sam686	are you connected to different wireless?
05:12:26	zoomber_mbp	no, we switched to a cable modem
05:12:35	zoomber_mbp	and are going through our tv service i guess..
05:12:44	sam686	oh, ok thats changes speed..
05:12:51	zoomber_mbp	of course
05:13:18	zoomber_mbp	but it's just hard to wrap your mind around a friend coming to your house with a modem changing your speed from 2.5 mbps to 50
05:13:25	zoomber_mbp	though wireless i get around 20
05:13:40	sam686	yes, wireless G is limited to about 20 Mbps
05:13:57	zoomber_mbp	though mine actually might be on N, but week signal as I'm in another room
05:13:58	sam686	both your computer and router need to support wireless N to get faster wireless
05:14:06	zoomber_mbp	they do, i think
05:14:56	sam686	what router is it? a cable router? or a separate cable modem + router?
05:15:15	zoomber_mbp	cable modem + time capsule
05:15:18	zoomber_mbp	apple ^
05:15:57	sam686	well, how do you get wireless then?
05:16:09	zoomber_mbp	apple time capsule = wireless router too
05:16:55	sam686	oh, i guess your "apple time capsule" is acking like a router...
05:17:30	sam686	which means any port foward you need will need to be set up on your "apple time captule"
05:18:21	zoomber_mbp	Yes, i set it up myself that way
05:18:30	zoomber_mbp	but, the friend who came over added a dns server of 8.8.8.8
05:18:55	zoomber_mbp	not sure what to think right now, but all i can say is i have two internets now...
05:19:16	sam686	http://theos.in/windows-xp/free-fast-public-dns-server-list/ any DNS server listed there should work too..
05:20:51	sam686	without DNS, you can only connect to IP address of a web page (such as http://74.125.225.41 )
05:20:56	zoomber_mbp	ah ok
05:21:24	zoomber_mbp	we used to have a default whatever att used, but i guess this time we have to specify a dns server ourself
05:21:55	zoomber_mbp	hmm
05:22:05	zoomber_mbp	i don't know what to do now, download a big file i suppose
05:22:18	sam686	yes, i pretty much configured my router a static DNS server to 208.67.222.222 and 8.8.8.8 , it always worked for me
05:22:48	sam686	2 or more DNS servers is good in case one goes dead..
05:23:32	sam686	http://speedtest.net/ are you able to speed test?
05:26:10	zoomber_mbp	yeah
05:26:13	zoomber_mbp	i get around 50 hard wired
05:26:39	zoomber_mbp	my server is practically a dedicated server now, just OSX instead of linux
05:27:02	sam686	mines is about 30 MBps download, 5 Mbps upload (my download speed goes down to 20 Mbps on wireless connection (wifi G)
05:27:24	zoomber_mbp	i could almost move my bit fighter servers to my own home
05:28:36	sam686	by the way, the server 96.44.134.183 appears to have died on May 1
05:28:51	sam686	which may be a now dead fehosting
05:41:03	zoomber_mbp	nooooooooooooooooo
05:41:03	zoomber_mbp	]
05:41:06	zoomber_mbp	i shall take alook
06:17:44	zoomber_mbp	hmmmmmm
06:53:13	zoomber_mbp	sweet, when someone emails me something, i can convert it to a google docs file
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07:20:05	zoomber_mbp	hey watusimoto
07:20:25	sam686	zoomber_mbp ever consider fixing your avatar? http://bitfighter.org/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76
07:20:39	zoomber_mbp	not sure where the original pic went
07:26:46	zoomber_mbp	if you have the original picture, sure then
07:27:04	zoomber_mbp	it seems imageshack lost my picture
07:30:48	sam686	looks like mono may be workking "mono --version"
07:30:53	zoomber_mbp	sweet
07:31:31	zoomber_mbp	ok
07:32:38	zoomber_mbp	ok well it looks like its working
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14:46:50	Heyub	There is an impostor in our midst.
15:14:15	IAmBeard	:O
15:14:34	IAmBeard	likely a pingtimeout
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15:36:44	Little_Apple	helloooooo
15:38:49	Little_Apple	aaand everyone appears to be afk.
15:38:51	Little_Apple	of well
15:38:53	Little_Apple	OH WELL.
15:46:25	Heyub	hi
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15:49:29	raptor	good day!
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15:50:20	Heyub	Hello
15:50:44	raptor	i'm trying to get a github account so i can contribute my ppc changes to naev...
15:50:52	raptor	but i'm still stuck on a username
15:50:54	raptor	bah
15:56:43	kodaws	hello
15:56:48	raptor	hi kodaws
15:56:54	kodaws	naev? what's that
15:57:04	raptor	http://naev.org
15:57:23	raptor	another OSS game from which I have stolen code ideas liberally :)
15:57:40	raptor	I also package for them like I do with hedgewars in the OBS
15:59:59	kodaws	ooh i see
16:00:08	kodaws	another possible gsoc target :p
16:00:22	raptor	haha, yep
16:00:41	raptor	the game mostly lacks further story development
16:00:55	raptor	in my opinion...
16:03:15	kodaws	how's bitfighter goin?
16:03:16	kodaws	g
16:03:38	raptor	doing good, i think - still a small community
16:03:51	raptor	but we released 017a - the 2nd iteration with SDL
16:03:58	raptor	so it's a lot more stable (again)
16:10:14	kodaws	:)
16:10:38	kodaws	i still believe that gsoc would have increased your community :p
16:10:58	kodaws	who's doing the graphics these days
16:11:25	raptor	all of us... sort of
16:11:36	raptor	not much to do when it's just vector graphics
16:11:56	raptor	i think you are right with gsoc...
16:12:04	raptor	i just have no time :(
16:24:37	kodaws	we've got 5 slots
16:24:47	raptor	wow
16:24:52	kodaws	that's going to require an immense work
16:27:58	watusimoto	I want to do it, but we don't have dev coverage for the whole summer. I can do it most of the time, but there will be periods when I am away.
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16:48:26	kodaws	hm
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17:50:49	Heyub	I
17:50:59	Heyub	've never known someone to be stuck so long on a name, raptor.
17:51:07	raptor	ugh
17:51:18	raptor	it's the hardest choice of them all...
17:56:54	Heyub	Take your curremt name, then your two previous names. Use your current name, then after include the first two letters of the previous two as if they are your initials.
17:57:08	raptor	i'm too picky
18:13:50	Heyub	Mom is bent on sending me to summer classes :<
18:24:18	IAmBeard	Heyub, grade 11 or 12?
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18:32:35	Heyub	11
18:32:49	raptor	you should do 'different' classes
18:33:01	raptor	like karate, or dance, or claymaking
18:33:13	raptor	or guitar
18:33:39	raptor	ukelele
18:39:37	IAmBeard	if you want to meet some awesome people, most universities do summer courses that are open to highschoolers, and it counts towards university credits
18:39:47	raptor	^^ that is an excellent idea
18:39:55	raptor	in fact, just skip 12th grade
18:40:14	IAmBeard	lol
18:46:37	IAmBeard	i actually did a victory lap in highschool - i was the year just after they got rid of grade 13 in canada
18:47:20	IAmBeard	i was like "screw this, i do whatever I want" - hah - no, actually it's because I was really sick in highschool and funny-enough, i needed more open-credits (already did all the required stuff by gr11)
19:10:36		BFLogBot - Commit ca8eee25e142 \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Further simplify lua interface -- no more dummy static functions required (mostly)
19:10:57	Watusimoto	well, for better worse, testItems and asteroids now have a lua method to determine if they are mounted to a ship
19:11:10	Watusimoto	the answer is generally no....
19:11:31	raptor	haha
19:11:37	raptor	'generally' huh?
19:11:51	Watusimoto	not sure if this is a good thing or not. maybe good -- less need to parse item types to figure out which ones you can run certain methods on
19:12:14	Watusimoto	maybe we need an asteroid carrying module
19:12:54	Watusimoto	but my latest improviemnts on the lua coding follow the underlying object model more closely
19:13:24	raptor	great!
19:13:33	Watusimoto	not necessarily... but I can remove a bunch of code.
19:13:45	raptor	exactly
19:13:45	Watusimoto	why should the lua object model mirror the c++ one?
19:14:17	Watusimoto	well this is the way we're going, I think
19:14:36	Watusimoto	things look a lot less cluttered
19:14:53	Watusimoto	and I really like using luaW inheritance
19:15:00	Watusimoto	it really simplifies things
19:15:52	Watusimoto	{ "getLoc", luaW_doMethod<Item, &getLoc> },
19:16:22	Watusimoto	maps the lua fn getLoc to a function that checks the proxy, and runs getLoc on the c++ object passing L as a single parameter
19:16:44	Watusimoto	and it maps it to Item and everythign that inhertis from Item
19:17:02	raptor	i like the simplicity
19:17:08	Watusimoto	yes, I do to
19:17:15	Watusimoto	handles all the casting and such as well
19:17:17	Watusimoto	very clean
19:17:44	Watusimoto	templates to the rescue!
19:20:26	raptor	so i've been thinking about the bot logic
19:20:49	raptor	if, for instace, i want to move the orbit(Point) ability into c++
19:21:00	raptor	whould that still be called on every onTick?
19:21:28	Watusimoto	I'm not sure
19:21:44	Watusimoto	that particular item might require more design
19:22:00	raptor	becuase our current orbit() method will just recalculate the next position again on each tick and go there...
19:22:10	raptor	which isn't really task-oriented
19:22:22	Watusimoto	we'd need to create support for navigation along a path without querying the robot
19:22:49	Watusimoto	so the robot would need to "file a flight plan" and the go, perhaps with an event call when it arrived at a destination
19:23:07	Watusimoto	so in your case, the flight plan might be to orbit a point
19:23:54	Watusimoto	we already have the concept of a flight plan; I think they are a series of way points that a bot can fly in a straight ilne between
19:24:21	raptor	yes - however i think it is only for following the A* route right now
19:24:22	Watusimoto	but we have no code to make the bot fly along that flight plan without calling ontick to set the bot's move every tick
19:24:31	raptor	yes that^^
19:25:15	raptor	because i don't think the onTick() stuff is really intuitive enough for people who want to create bots
19:26:13	Watusimoto	so the first step is probably finding a way to tell the bot to start flying along the flight plan, and creating an event call like onArrive() that gets fired when the bot arrives
19:26:47	Watusimoto	then the next step is probably figuring a way to let flight plans be things like orbital paths rather than A* point-to-point paths as they are now
19:27:16	Watusimoto	maybe create a FlightPath class? (thinking aloud here)
19:27:28	Watusimoto	and subclass OrbitalPath
19:27:51	raptor	would we need a greater BotTask class?
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19:28:02	Watusimoto	not sure
19:28:03	raptor	or do we want to go task-driven at all?
19:28:11	Watusimoto	what's the alternative?
19:28:21	Watusimoto	I think we do, at least for flight
19:28:49	raptor	yeah - _k always said the worst part about bots was making them go somewhere
19:29:36	Watusimoto	maybe we'd write something like bot->setMove(bot->getFlightPlan()->getMove())
19:29:54	Watusimoto	and that would set the movement portion of the bot's move
19:31:16	raptor	wait - there is the method thrustToPt
19:31:24	raptor	i bet _k didn't even know about that...
19:31:26	Watusimoto	maybe in Lua we'd say:
19:31:55	Watusimoto	bot:fileFlightPlan(destinationPoint)
19:32:39	Watusimoto	or bot:fileFlightPlan(new OrbitFlightPlan(orbitPoint))
19:32:59	Watusimoto	bot:fileFlightPlan(new FlightPlan(destinationPoint))
19:33:40	Watusimoto	bot:fileFlightPlan(new ZigZagFlightPlan(destPoint, zigMagnitude))
19:33:54	raptor	then in onTick() we could use an interruptFlightPlan() and resumeFlightPlan()
19:34:05	Watusimoto	yes, sure
19:34:39	Watusimoto	or, if we unsubscribed to onTick(), it could be onIncomingProjectile(interruptFlightPlan())
19:35:03	raptor	can you do that? unsubscribe from onTick()
19:35:06	Watusimoto	wait, not quite right
19:35:07	Watusimoto	sure
19:35:24	Watusimoto	there's a sample in the wiki
19:35:47	Watusimoto	You can also use timers and events to create a basic sleep function:
19:35:47	Watusimoto	function sleep(time) -- Sleep time in ms
19:35:47	Watusimoto	unsubscribe(TickEvent) -- Stop getting tick events until...
19:35:47	Watusimoto	Timer:scheduleOnce("subscribe(TickEvent)", time) -- ...we resubscribe!
19:35:47	Watusimoto	end
19:35:58	raptor	ahhh
19:36:30	raptor	i didn't know timers were available from Lua...
19:36:39	Watusimoto	Bots are automatically subscribed to onTick(), but they can unsubscribe
19:36:44	Watusimoto	we have a very cool timer class
19:36:54	Watusimoto	http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Programming_robots#Timers
19:37:19	Watusimoto	I plundered that from some other game
19:40:40	raptor	neat
19:41:27	Watusimoto	I like it alot
19:41:34	Watusimoto	never used, as far as I know
19:42:14	Watusimoto	if you unsubscribe from everything, I think the bot is basically toast
19:42:42	raptor	sitting duck
19:42:48	raptor	or not spawn-able?
19:53:28	Watusimoto	it will spawn
19:53:31	Watusimoto	and sit
19:53:40	raptor	quack quack
19:55:48	Watusimoto	wow -- in C++ you can overload the () operator
19:56:54	raptor	what
19:56:56	raptor	no way
19:58:53	raptor	ha! you can do the comma, too
20:00:21	Watusimoto	to be honest, I didn't even realize that () was an operator
20:00:29	Watusimoto	any more than the ; is
20:00:32	raptor	yeah, me neither
20:00:39	Watusimoto	overload the ,?
20:01:30	raptor	http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C++_Programming/Operators/Operator_Overloading?section=14#Comma_operator
20:37:42	Heyub	I tried the trumpet. The inhabitants of the household responded by saying "Please do something else."
20:39:06	raptor	or racquetball
20:39:07	Heyub	The issue is finding classes that teach what I want to learn, and do not cost too much money.
20:39:12	raptor	tennis?
20:39:23	Heyub	We use to do some sports but gass prices killed the idea.
20:39:39	raptor	ah
20:39:43	raptor	carpentry
20:39:48	raptor	:)
20:39:57	Heyub	Funny you should say that...
20:40:03	Heyub	Im helping dad build a house.
20:40:08	raptor	great!
20:40:21	Heyub	Unfortunately my back isnt the best for that :(
20:42:05	Heyub	I am very interested in learning to program, in particular, C. Though I will probably have to settle for C++.
20:42:51	raptor	both are evil
20:42:54	raptor	i mean good
20:42:58	Heyub	lol
20:43:51	sam686	c, and c++ have several things that are the same..
20:43:51	Heyub	It concerns me though, that it will cost 2-4k just for a couple weeks of classes... I could learn it myself, it would be harder, but it would be free.
20:44:04	raptor	i learned it myself
20:44:14	raptor	well, for various definitions of 'learn'
20:44:32	Heyub	I tried several years ago but failed.
20:44:37	raptor	the key is to have an objective, then use the chosen language to accomplish it no matter what
20:44:52	Heyub	Why do you think I hang around open source games?
20:44:57	Heyub	:P
20:44:58	raptor	hehe
20:45:07	raptor	start smaller maybe?
20:45:18	sam686	maybe, to take a look at source code?
20:45:39	Heyub	Well I had given up on programming and turned a focus to the graphical side of things.
20:45:47	raptor	like to teach myself python - i decided i wanted to write a script that will parse text out of .cpp file
20:46:15	raptor	that's it
20:46:19	raptor	start with text processing
20:46:27	Heyub	Im not there yet, I have promised to complete a few models before I can change my focus.
20:46:30	raptor	then go to running other commands...
20:46:32	raptor	ah
20:46:50	Heyub	I did create a calculator from C once.
20:50:00	Heyub	I have also grown interested in lua... But between everything else that will probably take the back burner.
21:00:32	raptor	oh i forgot
21:00:38	raptor	it's starwars day
21:00:47	Heyub	what...
21:00:51	raptor	yeah...
21:00:58	raptor	'May the forth be with you...'
21:01:03	raptor	:)
21:01:05	Heyub	lol
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22:47:34	raptor	aparently this is better than Triangle, in both accuracy and speed: http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~ungor/aCute/index.html
22:47:43	raptor	oh rats, he left
23:01:07	raptor	I think when i get home i'll add in aCute optimizations to the Triangle library... and see how bad it goes...
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23:49:18	IAmBeard	alright, i'm just getting started on another great code cleanup spree :)