#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-05-12

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00:17:39 BFLogBot - Commit a43228f5f5d7 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Last vestiges of EditorObject now in the ashbin of history
00:51:26 IAmBeard Watusimoto / sam686 for the TNL library, are you guys just linking against the obj files, or is there some magic voodoo I need to get TNL to compile as a lib or dll file (I'm not picky)
00:52:10 Watusimoto tnl is compiled in; I guess that mean's were linking against the obj files
00:52:21 Watusimoto it's not a separate dll or anything
00:53:04 IAmBeard ah, you just added it's sources and includes in
00:56:16 Watusimoto yup
00:56:23 Watusimoto much easier that way
00:56:37 Watusimoto I'm a link it all in kind of guy
00:56:51 sam686 TNL, libtomcrypt, lua-vec, and maybe a few others, do get cimpiled into lib/tnl.lib,  lib/libtomcrypt.lib, and others, though, .h files gets included from zap/ files..
00:56:55 Watusimoto one massiv ebinary for me
00:57:37 Watusimoto sam686: but it's all linked together in the end
00:58:00 Watusimoto rather than some dynamic libarary scheme
00:59:22 sam686 ".lib" is only for linking, dll is for runtime library (though i guess we don't use TNL.dll or others that we compile)
01:07:03 IAmBeard yeah, i was just having some difficulty locating TNL.lib to link my custom build, so I was trying to sort that out
01:12:47 BFLogBot - Commit d0ffc12df84b | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Merge GameObject and BfObject -- no reason to have both
01:12:49 BFLogBot - Commit 6aebf73dda7b | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Maybe bot zones shouldn't be TNL net objects?
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01:24:28 raptor Watusimoto: if botzones are not TNL objects, will /showzones still work?
01:24:47 raptor also, merging BfObject and GameObject...  that's HUGE
01:25:00 sam686 yes,  after all,  BotZones is not used to transmit through net anymore..
01:25:45 Watusimoto showzones still works
01:25:47 Watusimoto good night
01:26:24 sam686 show zones still works when hosting, as it simply reads the serverGame's botZones database..
01:30:49 raptor ah ok
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01:30:51 raptor night
01:41:12 raptor i should run Doxygen again...
02:39:32 raptor doxygen:  http://bitfighter.org/~raptor/doxygen/post017b/
02:40:38 raptor looking much better:  http://bitfighter.org/~raptor/doxygen/post017b/class_zap_1_1_item.html
02:50:59 raptor found an object with the same parent twice:  http://bitfighter.org/~raptor/doxygen/post017b/class_zap_1_1_burst_projectile.html
02:55:49 sam686 http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/ClassDiagram_bitfrighter.png  (visual studio, not express, some something called "generate class diagram")
02:57:03 raptor wow that's enormous
03:11:45 IAmBeard hurrah, i got my first dummy build working
03:18:04 IAmBeard are you gents okay with the possibility of using SDL_ttf?
03:18:36 IAmBeard it does bog us down with one more dll, but it may give us some good options later down the road
03:18:41 IAmBeard ^ raptor , sam686
03:22:53 IAmBeard I'm thinking about changing the styling of the menus, and i was thinking about using this font: http://www.dafont.com/visitor.font
03:30:04 sam686 i don't know, the font that is too low resolution may look too blocky or pixelated..
03:30:28 IAmBeard which is the look we're going for, I thought
03:33:48 sam686 at one time, i tried changing it to bitmap font, it just looks crazy and completely strange... (i made the font) http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/screenshot_crazy_font.png
03:34:37 IAmBeard Oh, i'm in the midst of changing the menu look, so it wouldn't be all streched and stuff
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08:03:41 BFLogBot - Commit ed6fb3cb236c | Author: sam8641 | Log: Fix ZAP_DEDICATED and compatibility to "CS_PROTOCOL_VERSION == 35"
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12:44:42 BFLogBot - Commit 54264f5f5408 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Enter Stage Left: GeomObject!
12:44:44 BFLogBot - Commit fbd10ca8e9e3 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Formally disconnect bot zones from BfObject.
12:44:45 BFLogBot - Commit e6d5b389e3d6 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Convert a slew of dynamic_casts to static_casts
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13:33:30 raptor buenos!
13:34:57 raptor yay static_casts!
13:44:20 Watusimoto hi
13:47:51 raptor hi
13:49:06 Watusimoto bye!
13:49:45 raptor bye
13:49:56 raptor so bfobject -> geomobject?
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14:30:57 raptor could we get rid of the most resource intensive dynamic_cast now?
14:31:16 raptor found on ClientGame.cpp:570
14:31:22 raptor (I think that's the one)
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14:38:23 IAmBeard Watusimoto / raptor , if i linked you gents with a few font samples (i've added in SDL_ttf into my bitfighter version, I'm doing an overhaul of the ui today), would you gents be able to give me some feedback?
14:48:03 raptor hi IAmBeard
14:48:25 raptor i could give feedback - but it seems like you are making a completely different game?
14:48:35 IAmBeard hah, I understand
14:49:09 raptor :)
14:49:13 IAmBeard just as reference, this is what the menu system is going to look like (give or take a few tweaks and iterations); http://imgur.com/1Qoit
14:49:36 raptor interesting
14:49:47 raptor those yellowish stars - will you be adding those?
14:49:52 IAmBeard I'd be changing the font at the bottom of the screen, too
14:50:00 IAmBeard no, i just tossed those in so it wouldn't be all black
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14:51:03 IAmBeard in all likelihood, the demo area will be almost the full screen, and the menus will overlap it
14:51:22 raptor ahh, you'd put a battle picture there
14:51:25 raptor or something
14:51:38 IAmBeard well, i was thinking about making it play over the last recorded game
14:53:07 raptor that's actually a pretty good idea
14:53:17 raptor (if you can get saved games working..)
14:54:45 raptor Watusimoto: i just got into a server behind NAT444 in DE
14:54:49 raptor germany
14:55:09 raptor took 7 or 8 tries though...
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15:04:28 IAmBeard here's one with a background screenshot
15:04:29 IAmBeard http://imgur.com/ZXBfb
15:07:08 IAmBeard ^ raptor
15:08:28 IAmBeard Heyub|2, if you're around, I wouldn't mind your opinion either
15:14:54 raptor that looks good - the font seems out of place though - a little too blocky
15:15:03 raptor but maybe i'm just biased :)
15:16:41 IAmBeard other fonts I was thinking of using: http://www.dafont.com/m04fatal-fury.font , http://www.dafont.com/8bitoperator-jve.font (this is the one I'm using right now), http://www.dafont.com/small-pixel.font , http://www.dafont.com/bakeneko.font , http://www.dafont.com/acknowledge.font , http://www.dafont.com/bm-army.font
15:17:22 IAmBeard bakeneko (linked above) is probably the closest to what's already in there
15:22:09 Heyub|2 As far as fonts go... as long as they can be ready its good.  I would suggest making it larger onthe menu screen, I always like having the large print for menu options.  Just an opinion though.
15:29:10 IAmBeard do you gents like this one (straying from the bitmap look): http://www.dafont.com/good-times.font?text=Bitfighter
15:29:29 IAmBeard only downside is that it has no lowercase characters
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16:02:20 Watusimoto hi
16:02:34 raptor hi
16:02:57 Watusimoto I'm trying to segment BfObject in to autonomous bits, like geomObject
16:03:05 Watusimoto to make it easier to grasp
16:03:12 Watusimoto but NO diamond
16:03:49 Watusimoto you can get rid of any dynamic cast where we do not check if the results are NULL
16:03:55 Watusimoto I think that will be most of them
16:04:22 Watusimoto or find a way to make sure the cast will work via some other mechanism
16:04:28 raptor hmmm
16:04:47 raptor well, i made the heaviest dynamic_cast a static_cast - and it seemed to work, but i'm not sure if it is appropriate
16:05:16 raptor ClientGame.cpp:570
16:05:52 Watusimoto I kind of like IAmBeard's screenshot
16:06:21 Watusimoto though not the yellow stars!
16:06:27 Watusimoto :-)
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16:07:55 raptor the only NULL check on it is an assert..
16:07:59 Watusimoto so which cast did you change?
16:08:05 raptor  ClientGame.cpp:570
16:08:08 Watusimoto cg:570?
16:08:09 Watusimoto ok
16:08:28 raptor that's the game's most resource-intensive one
16:08:35 Watusimoto BfObject *obj = dynamic_cast<BfObject *>(fillVector2[i]);
16:08:44 raptor yep
16:08:49 Watusimoto as long as fV2 has only BfObj's it will always work
16:08:57 raptor because it's used on *every* object nearby
16:09:09 Watusimoto it gets filled here:
16:09:10 Watusimoto mGameObjDatabase->findObjects(fillVector2);
16:09:49 raptor yep
16:10:14 Watusimoto ah, I see... this is the main idle loop; select all objects, idle them
16:10:21 raptor yes
16:10:36 Watusimoto I think it's safe
16:10:58 Watusimoto put in an assert with a dynamic_cast in it, and I'll be happy
16:11:51 Watusimoto also, at some point would you rebuild the doxygen thing for the current tree?  I'd like to see how it all looks now
16:12:00 raptor sure, i'll do that now
16:12:01 Watusimoto no hurry -- I'm leaving in a few minutes
16:13:11 raptor done
16:13:25 raptor http://bitfighter.org/~raptor/doxygen/post017b/
16:14:01 Watusimoto fast!
16:14:27 Watusimoto ok, heading out
16:14:39 Watusimoto back in a few hours
16:14:48 raptor me too
16:14:49 raptor later
16:32:22 sam686 addbot 100 orbitbot
16:32:30 raptor segfault
16:32:35 raptor is that what you did?
16:32:55 raptor stack trace:  http://pastie.org/3900535
16:32:56 sam686 yes,  i did "/addbots 100 orbitbot
16:34:05 raptor i don't understand the trace
16:34:59 sam686 "Clone method not implemented!" trying to add or copy Core in editor
16:35:19 sam686 also, pressing Tab in editor draws Core wrong..
16:37:40 raptor how so?  looks ok to me?
16:37:46 raptor maybe i need to do a non-neutral core
16:38:12 raptor i did change core to have white outer layer
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16:39:36 raptor i need to go now
16:39:38 raptor be back later
16:39:41 sam686 ok
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16:47:39 zoomber_mbp hi
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19:48:59 zoomber_mbp hi
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19:57:49 IAmBeard Watusimoto, so you like (generally) the new layout ideas i have?
19:59:34 Watusimoto all I saw was the menu differently positioned; but it seemed interesting
19:59:49 Watusimoto though, also, somehow more generic; perhaps it was the font
20:00:09 Watusimoto but I'm open to new ideas
20:00:11 IAmBeard yeah, after peeking around, I found another font that might stick out a bit more
20:00:29 IAmBeard awesomem possum - i'm hoping to have the new menu system up by tonight (EST tz)
20:00:51 IAmBeard I did a helluvalot of code cleaning
20:01:06 IAmBeard rewrote a lot of the menu stuff so it'll be a lot more extensible
20:13:56 Watusimoto we've talked about fonts in the past, and the general feeling was that if we changed fonts we'd still want one that retained the vector graphics feel of the game
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21:20:53 raptor howdy howdy
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21:58:06 sam686 cloakdood is wishing to map secondary fire to button 2...
21:58:21 raptor interesting
21:58:29 raptor we'd need two buttons though?
21:58:41 raptor one for each module
21:59:21 sam686 and i think cloakdood wants one fire button to fire phaser, another fire button for firing burst?
21:59:36 sam686 could add that on define keys, defaulting to blank / not used..
22:00:52 raptor so no weapon selection...
22:11:05 BFLogBot - Commit d71d01af753e | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Remove the most costly dynamic_cast in the game
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23:45:32 IAmBeard have you gents though of doing two types of modules, one being passive and the other needs to be activated by a key/mouse click?
23:46:09 raptor we have passive modules:  armor and sensor
23:46:38 sam686 armor is... 100% passive at the moment..
23:46:45 raptor we actually do three types:  passive, active, hybrid (passive with an active component)
23:47:03 IAmBeard well, the sensor can be activated, but yeah - to solve some of the button issues you and sam were talking about, it may be god to force one passive and one active module
23:47:07 IAmBeard *good
23:47:18 raptor what do you mean?
23:48:08 sam686 one of the module button is completely useless when having "Armor" module
23:48:40 raptor ah, i get it
23:49:10 raptor only allow one passive and one active - that way you have the use of both buttons for the active module and it's 'kinetic' part (like pulse with boost)
23:49:15 raptor right?
23:49:36 IAmBeard yeah
23:49:53 IAmBeard like turbo could be passive that you constantly move just a tad faster
23:50:12 IAmBeard or shields are always on (but have some sort of their own health bar)
23:50:13 raptor yeah, i'm not sure what to do about the double-click module component yet
23:50:32 sam686 even then, i don't know if a module boost and speed-burst should be together into one module,  maybe 2 active module, one passive, maybe?
23:50:33 IAmBeard a lot of players seem to have mixed reactions to it
23:50:42 raptor brb...

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00:17:39		BFLogBot - Commit a43228f5f5d7 \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Last vestiges of EditorObject now in the ashbin of history
00:51:26	IAmBeard	Watusimoto / sam686 for the TNL library, are you guys just linking against the obj files, or is there some magic voodoo I need to get TNL to compile as a lib or dll file (I'm not picky)
00:52:10	Watusimoto	tnl is compiled in; I guess that mean's were linking against the obj files
00:52:21	Watusimoto	it's not a separate dll or anything
00:53:04	IAmBeard	ah, you just added it's sources and includes in
00:56:16	Watusimoto	yup
00:56:23	Watusimoto	much easier that way
00:56:37	Watusimoto	I'm a link it all in kind of guy
00:56:51	sam686	TNL, libtomcrypt, lua-vec, and maybe a few others, do get cimpiled into lib/tnl.lib, lib/libtomcrypt.lib, and others, though, .h files gets included from zap/ files..
00:56:55	Watusimoto	one massiv ebinary for me
00:57:37	Watusimoto	sam686: but it's all linked together in the end
00:58:00	Watusimoto	rather than some dynamic libarary scheme
00:59:22	sam686	".lib" is only for linking, dll is for runtime library (though i guess we don't use TNL.dll or others that we compile)
01:07:03	IAmBeard	yeah, i was just having some difficulty locating TNL.lib to link my custom build, so I was trying to sort that out
01:12:47		BFLogBot - Commit d0ffc12df84b \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Merge GameObject and BfObject -- no reason to have both
01:12:49		BFLogBot - Commit 6aebf73dda7b \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Maybe bot zones shouldn't be TNL net objects?
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01:24:28	raptor	Watusimoto: if botzones are not TNL objects, will /showzones still work?
01:24:47	raptor	also, merging BfObject and GameObject... that's HUGE
01:25:00	sam686	yes, after all, BotZones is not used to transmit through net anymore..
01:25:45	Watusimoto	showzones still works
01:25:47	Watusimoto	good night
01:26:24	sam686	show zones still works when hosting, as it simply reads the serverGame's botZones database..
01:30:49	raptor	ah ok
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01:30:51	raptor	night
01:41:12	raptor	i should run Doxygen again...
02:39:32	raptor	doxygen: http://bitfighter.org/~raptor/doxygen/post017b/
02:40:38	raptor	looking much better: http://bitfighter.org/~raptor/doxygen/post017b/class_zap_1_1_item.html
02:50:59	raptor	found an object with the same parent twice: http://bitfighter.org/~raptor/doxygen/post017b/class_zap_1_1_burst_projectile.html
02:55:49	sam686	http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/ClassDiagram_bitfrighter.png (visual studio, not express, some something called "generate class diagram")
02:57:03	raptor	wow that's enormous
03:11:45	IAmBeard	hurrah, i got my first dummy build working
03:18:04	IAmBeard	are you gents okay with the possibility of using SDL_ttf?
03:18:36	IAmBeard	it does bog us down with one more dll, but it may give us some good options later down the road
03:18:41	IAmBeard	^ raptor , sam686
03:22:53	IAmBeard	I'm thinking about changing the styling of the menus, and i was thinking about using this font: http://www.dafont.com/visitor.font
03:30:04	sam686	i don't know, the font that is too low resolution may look too blocky or pixelated..
03:30:28	IAmBeard	which is the look we're going for, I thought
03:33:48	sam686	at one time, i tried changing it to bitmap font, it just looks crazy and completely strange... (i made the font) http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/screenshot_crazy_font.png
03:34:37	IAmBeard	Oh, i'm in the midst of changing the menu look, so it wouldn't be all streched and stuff
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12:44:44		BFLogBot - Commit fbd10ca8e9e3 \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Formally disconnect bot zones from BfObject.
12:44:45		BFLogBot - Commit e6d5b389e3d6 \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Convert a slew of dynamic_casts to static_casts
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13:33:30	raptor	buenos!
13:34:57	raptor	yay static_casts!
13:44:20	Watusimoto	hi
13:47:51	raptor	hi
13:49:06	Watusimoto	bye!
13:49:45	raptor	bye
13:49:56	raptor	so bfobject -> geomobject?
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14:30:57	raptor	could we get rid of the most resource intensive dynamic_cast now?
14:31:16	raptor	found on ClientGame.cpp:570
14:31:22	raptor	(I think that's the one)
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14:38:23	IAmBeard	Watusimoto / raptor , if i linked you gents with a few font samples (i've added in SDL_ttf into my bitfighter version, I'm doing an overhaul of the ui today), would you gents be able to give me some feedback?
14:48:03	raptor	hi IAmBeard
14:48:25	raptor	i could give feedback - but it seems like you are making a completely different game?
14:48:35	IAmBeard	hah, I understand
14:49:09	raptor	:)
14:49:13	IAmBeard	just as reference, this is what the menu system is going to look like (give or take a few tweaks and iterations); http://imgur.com/1Qoit
14:49:36	raptor	interesting
14:49:47	raptor	those yellowish stars - will you be adding those?
14:49:52	IAmBeard	I'd be changing the font at the bottom of the screen, too
14:50:00	IAmBeard	no, i just tossed those in so it wouldn't be all black
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14:51:03	IAmBeard	in all likelihood, the demo area will be almost the full screen, and the menus will overlap it
14:51:22	raptor	ahh, you'd put a battle picture there
14:51:25	raptor	or something
14:51:38	IAmBeard	well, i was thinking about making it play over the last recorded game
14:53:07	raptor	that's actually a pretty good idea
14:53:17	raptor	(if you can get saved games working..)
14:54:45	raptor	Watusimoto: i just got into a server behind NAT444 in DE
14:54:49	raptor	germany
14:55:09	raptor	took 7 or 8 tries though...
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15:04:28	IAmBeard	here's one with a background screenshot
15:04:29	IAmBeard	http://imgur.com/ZXBfb
15:07:08	IAmBeard	^ raptor
15:08:28	IAmBeard	Heyub\|2, if you're around, I wouldn't mind your opinion either
15:14:54	raptor	that looks good - the font seems out of place though - a little too blocky
15:15:03	raptor	but maybe i'm just biased :)
15:16:41	IAmBeard	other fonts I was thinking of using: http://www.dafont.com/m04fatal-fury.font , http://www.dafont.com/8bitoperator-jve.font (this is the one I'm using right now), http://www.dafont.com/small-pixel.font , http://www.dafont.com/bakeneko.font , http://www.dafont.com/acknowledge.font , http://www.dafont.com/bm-army.font
15:17:22	IAmBeard	bakeneko (linked above) is probably the closest to what's already in there
15:22:09	Heyub\|2	As far as fonts go... as long as they can be ready its good. I would suggest making it larger onthe menu screen, I always like having the large print for menu options. Just an opinion though.
15:29:10	IAmBeard	do you gents like this one (straying from the bitmap look): http://www.dafont.com/good-times.font?text=Bitfighter
15:29:29	IAmBeard	only downside is that it has no lowercase characters
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16:02:20	Watusimoto	hi
16:02:34	raptor	hi
16:02:57	Watusimoto	I'm trying to segment BfObject in to autonomous bits, like geomObject
16:03:05	Watusimoto	to make it easier to grasp
16:03:12	Watusimoto	but NO diamond
16:03:49	Watusimoto	you can get rid of any dynamic cast where we do not check if the results are NULL
16:03:55	Watusimoto	I think that will be most of them
16:04:22	Watusimoto	or find a way to make sure the cast will work via some other mechanism
16:04:28	raptor	hmmm
16:04:47	raptor	well, i made the heaviest dynamic_cast a static_cast - and it seemed to work, but i'm not sure if it is appropriate
16:05:16	raptor	ClientGame.cpp:570
16:05:52	Watusimoto	I kind of like IAmBeard's screenshot
16:06:21	Watusimoto	though not the yellow stars!
16:06:27	Watusimoto	:-)
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16:07:55	raptor	the only NULL check on it is an assert..
16:07:59	Watusimoto	so which cast did you change?
16:08:05	raptor	ClientGame.cpp:570
16:08:08	Watusimoto	cg:570?
16:08:09	Watusimoto	ok
16:08:28	raptor	that's the game's most resource-intensive one
16:08:35	Watusimoto	BfObject obj = dynamic_cast<BfObject >(fillVector2[i]);
16:08:44	raptor	yep
16:08:49	Watusimoto	as long as fV2 has only BfObj's it will always work
16:08:57	raptor	because it's used on every object nearby
16:09:09	Watusimoto	it gets filled here:
16:09:10	Watusimoto	mGameObjDatabase->findObjects(fillVector2);
16:09:49	raptor	yep
16:10:14	Watusimoto	ah, I see... this is the main idle loop; select all objects, idle them
16:10:21	raptor	yes
16:10:36	Watusimoto	I think it's safe
16:10:58	Watusimoto	put in an assert with a dynamic_cast in it, and I'll be happy
16:11:51	Watusimoto	also, at some point would you rebuild the doxygen thing for the current tree? I'd like to see how it all looks now
16:12:00	raptor	sure, i'll do that now
16:12:01	Watusimoto	no hurry -- I'm leaving in a few minutes
16:13:11	raptor	done
16:13:25	raptor	http://bitfighter.org/~raptor/doxygen/post017b/
16:14:01	Watusimoto	fast!
16:14:27	Watusimoto	ok, heading out
16:14:39	Watusimoto	back in a few hours
16:14:48	raptor	me too
16:14:49	raptor	later
16:32:22	sam686	addbot 100 orbitbot
16:32:30	raptor	segfault
16:32:35	raptor	is that what you did?
16:32:55	raptor	stack trace: http://pastie.org/3900535
16:32:56	sam686	yes, i did "/addbots 100 orbitbot
16:34:05	raptor	i don't understand the trace
16:34:59	sam686	"Clone method not implemented!" trying to add or copy Core in editor
16:35:19	sam686	also, pressing Tab in editor draws Core wrong..
16:37:40	raptor	how so? looks ok to me?
16:37:46	raptor	maybe i need to do a non-neutral core
16:38:12	raptor	i did change core to have white outer layer
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16:39:36	raptor	i need to go now
16:39:38	raptor	be back later
16:39:41	sam686	ok
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16:48:12	sam686	hi
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19:57:49	IAmBeard	Watusimoto, so you like (generally) the new layout ideas i have?
19:59:34	Watusimoto	all I saw was the menu differently positioned; but it seemed interesting
19:59:49	Watusimoto	though, also, somehow more generic; perhaps it was the font
20:00:09	Watusimoto	but I'm open to new ideas
20:00:11	IAmBeard	yeah, after peeking around, I found another font that might stick out a bit more
20:00:29	IAmBeard	awesomem possum - i'm hoping to have the new menu system up by tonight (EST tz)
20:00:51	IAmBeard	I did a helluvalot of code cleaning
20:01:06	IAmBeard	rewrote a lot of the menu stuff so it'll be a lot more extensible
20:13:56	Watusimoto	we've talked about fonts in the past, and the general feeling was that if we changed fonts we'd still want one that retained the vector graphics feel of the game
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21:20:53	raptor	howdy howdy
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21:58:06	sam686	cloakdood is wishing to map secondary fire to button 2...
21:58:21	raptor	interesting
21:58:29	raptor	we'd need two buttons though?
21:58:41	raptor	one for each module
21:59:21	sam686	and i think cloakdood wants one fire button to fire phaser, another fire button for firing burst?
21:59:36	sam686	could add that on define keys, defaulting to blank / not used..
22:00:52	raptor	so no weapon selection...
22:11:05		BFLogBot - Commit d71d01af753e \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Log: Remove the most costly dynamic_cast in the game
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23:45:32	IAmBeard	have you gents though of doing two types of modules, one being passive and the other needs to be activated by a key/mouse click?
23:46:09	raptor	we have passive modules: armor and sensor
23:46:38	sam686	armor is... 100% passive at the moment..
23:46:45	raptor	we actually do three types: passive, active, hybrid (passive with an active component)
23:47:03	IAmBeard	well, the sensor can be activated, but yeah - to solve some of the button issues you and sam were talking about, it may be god to force one passive and one active module
23:47:07	IAmBeard	*good
23:47:18	raptor	what do you mean?
23:48:08	sam686	one of the module button is completely useless when having "Armor" module
23:48:40	raptor	ah, i get it
23:49:10	raptor	only allow one passive and one active - that way you have the use of both buttons for the active module and it's 'kinetic' part (like pulse with boost)
23:49:15	raptor	right?
23:49:36	IAmBeard	yeah
23:49:53	IAmBeard	like turbo could be passive that you constantly move just a tad faster
23:50:12	IAmBeard	or shields are always on (but have some sort of their own health bar)
23:50:13	raptor	yeah, i'm not sure what to do about the double-click module component yet
23:50:32	sam686	even then, i don't know if a module boost and speed-burst should be together into one module, maybe 2 active module, one passive, maybe?
23:50:33	IAmBeard	a lot of players seem to have mixed reactions to it
23:50:42	raptor	brb...