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| 00:39:42 | IAmBeard | so, I just fixed/wired up my menu system for my bitfighter, next is to wire up physics |
| 01:05:02 | raptor | hi |
| 01:05:33 | raptor | question: how will you redo the physics and keep it network compatible? just change client-side physics? |
| 01:05:55 | raptor | but server would still override, in that case |
| 01:13:58 | IAmBeard | well, i'll be re-writing the master server/service too, so eventually I'm hoping we can get that adopted because some of the uses of the physics engine aren't implemented in GridDB (like elastics) |
| 01:14:19 | IAmBeard | but for now, I'm just tinkering with local games |
| 01:24:02 | sam686 | ggtg |
| 01:24:23 | IAmBeard | later sam |
| 01:24:24 | sam686 | i was trying to type in game, wondering why the keyboard won't work in game... |
| 01:24:47 | sam686 | i use joystick which can happen when my keyboard types somewhere else.. |
| 01:24:54 | IAmBeard | ah, lol |
| 02:31:38 | IAmBeard | so, is it generally assumed that gravity wells may be awesome to have in bitfighter? |
| 02:54:21 | raptor | there have been a few threads on the topic |
| 02:54:28 | raptor | in the forums |
| 02:54:40 | raptor | i even think watusimoto attempted to code one once, but failed |
| 02:54:59 | raptor | but i think yes - most people seem to think it'd be a good addition |
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| 16:04:54 | raptor | good morning! |
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| 16:08:38 | IAmBeard | 'morning |
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| 20:18:11 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 20:18:21 | raptor | hello |
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| 20:20:50 | raptor | i have 4 contest entries! |
| 20:24:14 | Watusimoto | great! |
| 20:24:36 | raptor | did you see I made another bot? RepairBot |
| 20:24:57 | Watusimoto | I did -- that's great! |
| 20:25:01 | raptor | and one of the entries actually uses it... |
| 20:25:26 | raptor | it got me thinking about adding loads of more commands to c++ instead of Lua |
| 20:25:45 | raptor | one thing that is missing: there is no way for a bot to tell if it is in a loadout zone |
| 20:27:01 | raptor | i coded a workaround by seeing if the bot is within a ship's radius or so of the center point of the zone, but it's not perfect |
| 20:27:57 | Watusimoto | we could easily add a botEnteredZone event |
| 20:28:05 | Watusimoto | or a isBotInZone method |
| 20:28:19 | Watusimoto | the underlying function already exists |
| 20:28:23 | raptor | yes |
| 20:28:56 | Watusimoto | or maybe enteredZone(object, zone) |
| 20:29:08 | Watusimoto | that might exclude bullets and such |
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| 20:32:08 | raptor | what does your testbot do? |
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| 20:46:04 | Watusimoto | nothing at all. testbot does not exist |
| 20:46:31 | raptor | i thought you said you created one to test Lua since your LuaW changes |
| 20:46:37 | raptor | maybe it was in my head |
| 20:46:42 | Watusimoto | but what it will do is interact with a number of objects, running various methods and making sure it gets back somewhat sane results |
| 20:47:00 | Watusimoto | but there is still much work to be done |
| 20:47:39 | Watusimoto | I want to have the "supervisor script" or extended levelgen or whatever we should call it up and running so it can create and delete objects for the testbot to operate on |
| 20:48:30 | IAmBeard | so with my stuff, I'm probably going to see what sort of integration I can do with you gents' Lua stuff; I don't think we'll need to break compatibility and move away from lua at all |
| 20:55:05 | Watusimoto | hey IAmBeard! How's progress? |
| 20:56:00 | IAmBeard | not too much today, i've had a lot for work, but in about 2 hours, I should have a good block of time to finish some of the physics backend (I have to wrap a bunch of stuff in classes for making things easier for us) |
| 20:56:39 | Watusimoto | so is there going to be any way to use your code in bitfighter, or have you gone too far for that |
| 20:56:39 | IAmBeard | but just hearing you gents talk about the scripts |
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| 20:56:58 | Watusimoto | yes, this has been my focus for the past couple of weeks |
| 20:57:31 | IAmBeard | well, it's a completely different codebase, so it would be more so you gents switching at this point (if you wanted to, that is) - otherwise, it'll be a bitfighter knockoff :P |
| 20:57:39 | IAmBeard | anywho, dog needs to walk |
| 20:58:34 | raptor | off-topic, this is neat: http://www.htwins.net/scale2/ |
| 21:01:12 | IAmBeard | haha, yeah, i saw that swf last year, but it's quite awesome |
| 21:07:28 | Watusimoto | so raptor mentioned that you wanted to maintain network compatibility with Bitfighter |
| 21:07:43 | Watusimoto | is this still a goal> |
| 21:09:42 | IAmBeard | yes |
| 21:11:39 | Watusimoto | i was thinking about this, and I do see a big challenge with that -- if you add another object, like the gravity well, for example, that will break compatibility until it was cross-ported to bitfighter |
| 21:11:52 | Watusimoto | unless, of course, we were all working on the same codebase |
| 21:12:30 | Watusimoto | or if you change the physics that will also break compatibilty, even if the protocol stays the same |
| 21:13:03 | Watusimoto | (because clients do their own physics calculations while waiting for official info from the server |
| 21:13:05 | Watusimoto | ) |
| 21:13:42 | Watusimoto | so it seems that compatibility will either be a momentary thing, or it will require a unified codebase, or it will require very carfully synchronized development |
| 21:21:32 | Watusimoto | one thing I broke in my bf work is the render order of items. I think we need to use sam686's technique of rendering on different z-planes, according to which items should render atop the others |
| 21:21:54 | Watusimoto | rahter than sorting to get thigns to render in the correct order (which we previously did) |
| 21:22:34 | Watusimoto | though, as I'm typing this, I recall that sorting may well play a role in allowing you to select smaller items obscured by larger ones |
| 21:22:44 | Watusimoto | so now I need to reasses that thinking |
| 21:22:58 | raptor | in the editor? |
| 21:23:53 | Watusimoto | rendering in editor and in game, selecting in editor |
| 21:25:08 | sam686 | the z-buffer system don't work very good on semi-transparent stuff including smooth lines |
| 21:27:28 | Watusimoto | that's good to know |
| 21:27:31 | Watusimoto | why not? |
| 21:31:03 | sam686 | basically with depth-buffer enabled smooth lines, drawing a polygon last, behind the smooth lines may result on lines having black outline border or similar |
| 21:35:53 | IAmBeard | well, if you gents do adopt this code, i'd be rewriting the master server, but if you were to adopt my code, we'd disable anything that isn't currently compatible, and then phase it in |
| 21:36:30 | Watusimoto | so what have you done that would make us want to abandon what has proven to be a pretty reliable codebase? |
| 21:38:08 | Watusimoto | To clarify, I don't mean that as a challenge, but as a real question |
| 21:39:03 | IAmBeard | well, not abandon, but just a lot of cleanup for rendering objects, the different physics engine will make things more extensible in the future, physics snapshots will mean we can record full matches (not just the user's view, but the whole game), and once I toss in some more opengl optimizations, support for OpenGL 3.x+ could be supported |
| 21:40:24 | Watusimoto | it seems that we could get most of that by patching the existing codebase, no? |
| 21:41:37 | sam686 | http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/depthbuffer_transparency.gif That will happen if the yellow loadout zone is drawn last with mine smoothing and depth buffer to put yellow loadout behind.. |
| 21:41:52 | sam686 | line smoothing (not mine smoothing) |
| 21:42:07 | Watusimoto | ok, well that puts a damper on that plan |
| 21:42:46 | Watusimoto | oh! but wait! |
| 21:42:48 | IAmBeard | well, yes and no - i found most of the codebase to be fairly messy |
| 21:42:51 | sam686 | it will work only if there is no line smoothing and no semi transparency.. |
| 21:43:11 | Watusimoto | database objects aer now geometry objects, so they can be organzied by geometric type... thus fixing the problem! |
| 21:45:08 | Watusimoto | I don't deny that there are messes (what codebase doesn't have them?) but I think a series of smaller more digestable changes would be easier to adapt to than one giant rewrite |
| 21:46:07 | Watusimoto | I really am looking forward to seeing what you've done. No question about that. |
| 21:46:44 | Watusimoto | and there are many things in the codebase that I don't like, but that actually turn out to be pretty important |
| 21:49:54 | raptor | ha!: http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1491&p=14946#p14946 |
| 21:54:45 | raptor | maybe we'll get another high school class hooked |
| 21:54:52 | raptor | one by one... |
| 21:55:42 | IAmBeard | ywah, at the very least, we just adapt my code as fixes/minor class changes in your codebase |
| 22:02:31 | Watusimoto | I think that might be better |
| 22:03:28 | Watusimoto | it's much easier to understand and assess a focused changeset rather than one that widely encompasses a lot of things |
| 22:05:22 | Watusimoto | just ask raptor after one of my big refactors :-) |
| 22:05:34 | raptor | !! |
| 22:12:02 | raptor | Watusimoto: AFK: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=afk |
| 22:13:28 | raptor | it's sad, but as i age i end up on that site more and more... :) |
| 22:16:18 | Watusimoto | Away From Kitchen. A time when your wife is not found in her natural habitat, and you must thus make your own sandwiches. |
| 22:16:24 | Watusimoto | how is that related to Bitfighter??? |
| 22:16:43 | raptor | yeah... ummm... you'll need to ignore some definitions |
| 22:17:59 | Watusimoto | I obvoiusly did |
| 22:18:01 | Watusimoto | :-) |
| 22:43:53 | sam686 | well, getting git repository becomes easy with hg-hit plugin for hg.. http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/hg-git_for_hg.pngcc |
| 22:44:34 | sam686 | i followed instruction here http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/hg-git_for_hg.png but skipped step 2, because TurtoiseHG 2.0.5 and later appears to have python included already, |
| 22:44:53 | sam686 | oops, http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/hg-git_for_hg.png (not cc) |
| 22:46:43 | sam686 | i followed here i meant http://candidcode.com/2010/01/12/a-guide-to-converting-from-mercurial-hg-to-git-on-a-windows-client/ skipping step 2 |
| 22:48:00 | raptor | yeah, git <-> hg is relatively painless |
| 23:30:38 | | IAmBeard puts on his coding cap :) |
| 23:31:06 | IAmBeard | i should be finished the physics stuff tonight and have something playable (well, maybe) |
| 23:31:41 | IAmBeard | if it's playable and you gents are still around, I can distribute a win32 exe |
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| 23:42:46 | raptor | going home! laters |
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