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IRC Log for 2012-06-02

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00:27:10raptorWatusimoto: you're still up?


00:27:21Watusimotosigh


00:27:22Watusimotono


00:27:24Watusimotogood night


00:27:31raptorhehe, night


00:27:52Watusimotolike your logic, cleaned the code a bit, basically done with the registration for now


00:28:01Watusimotook, good night


00:28:02raptorgreat!


00:28:03raptornight


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00:36:20raptorI'm going to be late for the contest party...


00:36:26raptorhave to dig in a garden


00:36:29raptorso...


00:36:33raptorhave fun!


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02:22:39sam686i seem to find a bug in contest server, the "+" symbol disappears when level changes, but those players still have levelchngers..


02:22:50raptoryes, i noticed that, too...


02:22:58raptoroh hey, i'm back...


02:23:02raptori should join again  :)


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09:25:58BFLogBot - Commit 528eaf94d0e4 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Rename some things, no change to logic (at least not intentionally!)


09:25:59BFLogBot - Commit dc2545b2c252 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: More typedefs, renamings, comments.  Again, no real methodology changes.


09:26:01BFLogBot - Commit 286b5cdd2607 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Comment


09:26:02BFLogBot - Commit 6b24f055964f | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: more comments


09:26:04BFLogBot - Commit 661ff8c49aa7 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Shuffle some code around, check if list is already built


09:26:05BFLogBot - Commit a645a42491dc | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Comments


09:26:07BFLogBot - Commit f2610a35bdcf | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: A little more cleanup, make class sorting more efficient, more comments, renaming things, etc.


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10:16:16BFLogBot - Commit e28b3356f2f6 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Comment


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13:13:30raptorbuenos


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13:15:23raptoroooo


13:15:27raptorcode changes


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13:35:04raptoroh hey, you improved upon my class sorting.  great!


13:35:31raptorthat was smart to just add the parents  directly to the ordered list


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14:40:56Little_Applehellloooo


14:41:10raptorhola


14:41:30Little_Applewhatcha doin?


14:41:49raptortrying to package a game called 'freeorion' for linux distros


14:42:34Little_Appleooooh


14:43:54Watusimotofree orion -- still at 0.0.0.0.1


14:43:55Watusimoto?


14:44:20Watusimotostill a decade away from playability?  that's where they've been every time I've looked at them


14:44:20raptorhaha


14:44:25raptorit actually just hit 0.4


14:44:41raptorand it's absolutely crazy to try and package


14:44:44Watusimotowe need a playable stars clone


14:44:48raptoryes!


14:45:05Watusimotothousandparsecs started as that, but morphed into something different


14:45:13Watusimotostars without the micromanagement


14:45:22raptorfreeorion, in my opinion, is an excellent example of a project that has gone way, way too far in including dependencies


14:47:03Watusimotohow hard could stars be to remake?


14:47:51raptorwell, i imagine the order of events may take a while to iron out...


14:47:52Watusimotoall the formulas are known


14:49:27raptorhuh - it looks like the community release a patch?  2.6rc4


14:49:32raptor3.6jrc4


14:49:37raptor*2.6jrc4


14:51:19Watusimotoraptor: bad news


14:51:26Watusimotoalt key bug still happening


14:51:31raptorwhat


14:51:35Watusimotoyup


14:51:42raptorafter clean rebuild and everything?


14:51:48WatusimotoI think so


14:51:51raptorargh!


14:51:52WatusimotoI think I did one last night


14:52:05WatusimotoI'll do another in a bit to confirm


14:52:37Watusimototrying to fix the next bot bug


14:53:17raptorthe one where y ou move within site of s_bot and it crashes?


14:53:41Watusimotoperhaps


14:53:46raptorthat alt-key bug...  i know i tested it in a windows 7 vm after my change, and it worked


14:53:58Watusimotook, disregard until I confirm with full rebuild again


14:54:18raptorbut i didn't debug with a breakpoint hit...


14:54:35raptorhttp://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/Clones


14:54:53raptor"A page for other games directly inspired by Stars! as opposed to games like Master of Orion (and FreeOrion!) which while cool, are merely Stars!-like. "


14:55:03raptorhehe


14:56:31Watusimotomy problem has no breakpoint involved


14:56:45raptorok, then yes, i tested that


14:57:00raptorlet me double check to make sure a merge didn't kill it...


14:57:39raptorgood, still ther


14:59:30raptorfreestars


14:59:53raptorhas an SVN repo, and it is a c++ project that was intended to clone stars!


15:04:38Little_Applemoo!


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15:06:05Watusimotohow far did they get?


15:06:26raptorlooks like the server is complete enough that there are like 5 clients written in various languages


15:14:23raptorlooks like clean code so far...


15:14:26raptortrying to compile


15:15:40Watusimotointeresting


15:15:52WatusimotoI'd ratehr have one working client than 5 broken ones


15:17:16raptorit's the server i'm curious about:  it looks somewhat complete, but the SVN logs don't really say much


15:17:44Watusimotos_bot is broken because player ship can't have getEnergy run on it for some reason


15:18:21raptorhuh


15:19:05Watusimotonot horribly surprising


15:19:22raptoris that indicative of hierarchy problems still?


15:19:49Watusimotomaybe, maybe not


15:19:52Watusimotoprobably not


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16:41:13Watusimotohey karamazovapy


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16:50:44raptorkaramazovapy?


16:50:46raptorhello


16:55:15karamazovapyoh - hey


17:00:34Watusimotokaramazovapy has entered the house!


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17:06:39raptor:(


17:10:59Watusimotofind anything interesting on stars?


17:11:59raptorgot it to compile


17:12:06raptortried loading an old hosts file


17:12:11raptorbut it didn't work


17:12:32raptori also couldn't find any info on the progress of it - or of the whereabouts of the developers


17:12:44raptorbut the code is well documented


17:19:27raptorthis is what i checked out:  http://freestars.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/freestars/trunk/


17:27:01raptorok, i have to go - be back in about 3-4 hours or so


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19:32:27Zoomberhi everyone


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20:11:50Watusimotohi


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20:27:53raptorhello


20:34:27raptorbugfixing time!


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20:39:18Little_Appleheeeeelllloooooooooooooooooo


20:39:21raptorhi


20:39:27Little_Appleyour tormentor is here!


20:40:32raptorin contest serv..


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21:20:20raptorLittle_Apple: post your afk idea here


21:20:57Little_Appleyou mean lone wolf's?


21:21:05raptoruh


21:21:07raptori guess it was him


21:21:34Little_Applebut i know what he has in mind


21:21:35raptorWatusimoto, sam686:  idea:  Lone Wolf says it would be good to do an /afk command to go instantly idle


21:21:40Little_Appleyea that


21:21:45Watusimotosure


21:22:11Watusimotocall it /afk, or something less jargony?


21:22:20raptor  /idle ?


21:29:54Watusimotoyeah, maybe


21:32:33raptor  /goidle


21:32:42raptor /idleclient


21:33:03raptor  /goingtogetmorefoodfromthefridge


21:33:58Little_Apple  /afk is the simplest


21:34:23raptorthat seems too urbandictionaryish


21:36:07Little_Applebut its almost universally known amongst gamers


21:41:20Watusimoto   /idle


21:41:28Watusimotoperhaps with a   /afk alias


21:41:48Watusimotoapple feels kweesy


21:43:39Watusimotook, so bots can run getEnergy() but ships can't??


21:44:36sam686getEnergy probably should be moved to Ship (it was used as part of engineer bot)


21:45:37raptoryeah, that's weird


21:46:33Watusimotoit already has been


21:46:40Watusimotoalso weird is when I do this in the bot:


21:46:54WatusimotoglobalMsg("Bot: " ..bot:getEnergy())


21:47:07Watusimotoit returns .8 even when my ship is full of energy


21:47:14raptorhuh


21:47:38Watusimotoit is running the right code


21:47:40Watusimoto   return (F32)mEnergy / (F32)EnergyMax;


21:47:49Watusimotobut mEnergy is 8000 instead of 10000


21:48:03Watusimotooh wait


21:48:06Watusimotodumb dumb


21:48:07sam686its the robot's own energy if running from bot?


21:48:19Watusimotobot spawns with 8K energy


21:48:23Watusimoto(80%)


21:48:30Watusimotoit's ME that has 100%


21:48:42Watusimotoand when I get my own energy, I get the crash


21:48:44Watusimotoforget it


21:48:47raptorha


21:49:19WatusimotoI get the same error if the bot does this:


21:49:34Watusimototarget:getEnergy()


21:49:41Watusimoto(where I am the target)


21:49:43Watusimotoor this:


21:49:50Watusimototarget:xxx()


21:50:02Watusimotoso I think the getEnergy function isn't being registered properly


21:50:11Watusimotoyet the robot can run it ok


21:50:21Watusimotoso it is being registered


21:50:23Watusimotosomehow


21:50:42Watusimotoand it's registered as a ship method


21:50:57Watusimotoso it seems that the inheritance is working, but the non-inherited methdos aren't


21:50:58Watusimotohmmmm


21:51:12Watusimotomaybe that's a clue


21:51:33raptor <Watusimoto> so it seems that the inheritance is working, but the non-inherited methdos aren't


21:51:38raptor^^ what does that mean?


21:51:44raptorwhat is a non-inherited method


21:51:46raptor?


21:51:51WatusimotogetEnergy is a ship method


21:51:55Watusimotobot inherits it from ship


21:51:58Watusimotoit works for bot


21:52:03Watusimoto it works not for ship


21:52:11Watusimotoit is not inherited by ship


21:52:16Watusimotoit is a native ship method


21:52:21raptorah...  interesting


21:52:23Watusimotois that clear?


21:52:27raptorand it is registered in ship?


21:52:31Watusimotoyes


21:52:34raptorodd


21:52:55Watusimotoit's also possible that target is not a proper ship object somehow


21:53:06Watusimotomaybe the proxy is screwed up or something


22:29:03Little_ApplePOOT


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22:30:00raptorok


22:30:06raptorwhat does /suspend really do?


22:31:43Watusimotoputs the server to sleep


22:31:49Watusimotoessentially


22:32:04raptori seem to be able to do that without level permissions/?


22:32:10Watusimotosure


22:32:18Watusimotoif you are the only player


22:32:32Watusimotoyou can also put it to sleep by quitting


22:32:48Watusimotosuspend lets you hang out in the game without playing, until another player happens along


22:33:35raptorok, so completely different than idle...  suspend is server side


22:34:05Watusimotoyes


22:35:52Watusimotointeresting story on NPR:


22:35:53Watusimotohttp://www.npr.org/blogs/deceptivecadence/2012/06/02/154077432/a-very-young-composer-gets-his-chance-at-the-new-york-philharmonic?ps=mh_frhdl1


22:39:21raptorso far:  neat story


22:42:35raptorthe music is not bad, either


22:45:14Watusimotoparts of it are quite nice


22:45:19Watusimotopart sounds like a movie score


22:45:24Watusimotoand parts are not to my liking


22:45:27raptormy thoughts exactly


22:45:37Watusimotobut not bad for 10yrs old


22:46:23raptornope


22:46:31raptornow to find the proper way to put the client into idle...


22:47:08raptorspawnDelayed?


22:47:45Watusimotoprobably


23:20:12raptorWatusimoto: idea from a player:  make the current Humble Indie Bundle a prize


23:25:38raptorWatusimoto: i see two mSpawnDelayed members:  one in ClientGame, one in ClientInfo


23:25:52raptorhow do they relate?


23:51:28raptorthis is what happens if i use the one in client game:  http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/1111111screenshot_2.png

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