#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-08-10

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

00:00:49 sam686 if you don't have my levelgen,
00:00:59 sam686 http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/bitfighter/levels/
00:01:11 raptor is it failing for you anywhere?
00:01:19 raptor the forcefield placement?
00:01:21 sam686 yes,
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03:46:37 raptor go to bed Watusimoto!
04:01:11 raptor ok sam686, still around?
04:01:21 raptor have you found any clue to that engineer bug?
04:22:06 raptor sam686: i cannot duplicate the issue anymore...  maybe you have to join?
04:22:37 sam686 ok
04:22:57 raptor ok, i duplicated it on your server
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04:32:07 Little_Apple Helloo
04:32:11 raptor hi
04:32:17 Little_Apple Wazzap
04:32:33 raptor crazy engineer bug...
04:32:43 Little_Apple I'm trying out the google chrome app :P
04:33:03 raptor ?
04:33:15 Little_Apple The web browser
04:33:26 Little_Apple But mobile
04:33:52 Little_Apple iPod touch.
04:34:00 Little_Apple And I'm gone
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04:44:36 sam686 not sure if that will work, but try adding this line on top of some files for testing?  #define static_cast(a) (dynamic_cast(a) == 0 ? TNLAssert(false, "Bad static_cast") : static_cast(a))
04:44:59 raptor i couldn't duplicate it the last two levels in a row...
04:45:36 raptor good idea
04:47:43 sam686 maybe, put it in header file, probably in tnl/tnlAssert.h ?  (preferably on line 89)
05:02:21 sam686 need to go to bed?
05:05:51 raptor ok
05:05:53 raptor i'm back
05:05:56 raptor yeah, off to bed
05:06:04 raptor i'm no closer to figuring this out...
05:07:49 sam686 apparently, my "define static_cast(a)"  is not working,
05:07:56 sam686 #defind static
05:08:06 sam686 #defind static_cast dynamic_cast  you could try
05:08:23 sam686 and i think it might be on EngineeredItem.cpp
05:10:16 raptor maybe a lot of turrets are being found?
05:12:29 sam686 maybe, you not clearing the fillVector just before line 341 ?  (EngineeredItem.cpp)
05:13:02 raptor ha!
05:13:06 raptor that's gotta be it!
05:14:30 raptor let me recompile and we can test on my server...
05:31:54 sam686 oh and that engineer appears to be fixed (but unpushed)
05:32:05 raptor i'll push now
05:32:16 raptor done
05:33:07 raptor ok good night
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05:36:00 BFLogBot - Commit 8a98e624ea45 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Possibly fix weird forcefield bug with not being able to place them sometimes. The fillVector here should be cleared anyways
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14:32:26 raptor good day!
15:11:53 watusimoto g'day
15:11:57 raptor hi
15:15:23 raptor did you see the BBB badges now?  pretty much the same, but a little better with the lines...
15:50:38 watusimoto saw the link you posted last night
15:50:45 watusimoto they look *pretty* good
15:50:58 watusimoto They may be as good as they'll get with that design
15:51:10 raptor i'm open to changes, of course
15:51:24 raptor i should give you one so you can see it in the scoreboard...
15:51:25 watusimoto I know -- I have nothing to suggest beyond what you did
15:51:32 watusimoto sure
15:51:39 watusimoto I hope to do a little coding this weekend
15:51:48 watusimoto I want to get a little more Lua done
15:52:00 watusimoto I am thinking we can do 018 without a full Lua implementation
15:52:12 raptor ?
15:52:19 watusimoto and we can work towards better fleshing it out for 019
15:52:28 watusimoto I mean a working implementation, just not all the fns I think we need
15:52:48 watusimoto I've been adding lots of new functions
15:52:57 watusimoto none are needed by any existing bot or levelgen
15:53:02 raptor ok, you have th bronze badge now
15:53:09 watusimoto super -- I'll check it tonight
15:53:13 raptor ok
15:53:26 raptor ah, all the functions, yes
15:53:28 watusimoto just so you know, I have another vacation coming up
15:53:36 raptor that seems fine - it doesn't need to be completely complete
15:53:41 watusimoto I'll be around all next week, then 3 weeks in the us
15:53:54 raptor welcome back!
15:54:05 watusimoto during that trip, I'll have some time with access to the internet
15:54:08 watusimoto and some not
15:54:25 watusimoto I'm trying to save some non-coding tasks for that period, so I can work on them without a dev environment
15:54:34 watusimoto e.g. documenting all these new functions
15:54:51 watusimoto blech
15:55:05 raptor blech
15:55:08 watusimoto found a great new text editor, btw
15:55:15 watusimoto runs on linux too
15:55:18 watusimoto check out sublime
15:55:34 watusimoto only been using it for a day, but already thinking it will be my new standard
15:55:35 raptor ok
15:55:37 raptor sublime...
15:55:43 watusimoto indeed!
15:56:15 watusimoto just figured out how to bind key sequences to a command, such as ctrl-Q, w
15:56:49 watusimoto anwya, the most important remaining lua functions are related to walls and to game types
15:57:16 watusimoto also, a design dilemma
15:57:22 raptor uh oh
15:57:28 watusimoto not too bad
15:57:50 watusimoto so say you want an event to trigger when a player enters a particular loadout zone (with an id of, say 99)
15:57:59 watusimoto we could do this:
15:58:47 watusimoto 1) subscribe("EnterZoneEvent"), then in onEnterZone(ship, zone) test zone for id = 99
15:58:50 watusimoto or
15:59:31 watusimoto 2) subscribe("EnterZoneEvent", 99, playerHitZone99()), creating a new function that will get called when player hits specified zone
15:59:45 raptor i like #2
15:59:47 watusimoto basically allowing us to push some of the event handling into C++
15:59:59 raptor with a callback
16:00:03 watusimoto 2 is more complex to implement
16:00:08 watusimoto but maybe not too bad
16:00:15 watusimoto maybe allow both mechanisms?
16:00:25 raptor but I also like multiple signatures for subscribing
16:00:27 watusimoto with no args there is an implicit callback (onEnteredZone)
16:00:34 watusimoto with args you specify a callback
16:00:35 raptor so #1 for *any* zone event
16:00:41 raptor yes
16:00:55 raptor actually
16:01:02 raptor we may want to just keep it simple...
16:01:14 raptor with #1
16:01:19 raptor man, now i don't know..
16:01:23 watusimoto ok, will try implementing one that way
16:01:28 watusimoto #1 already is how events work
16:01:37 watusimoto so implementing is trivial... i.e. do nothing
16:02:00 watusimoto I think #2 might be nice -- it might make code clearer
16:02:18 watusimoto if you have multiple event handlers, you just register for multiple events with different callback fns.
16:03:00 watusimoto I'll look at whether that is really that hard
16:03:57 raptor sublime has a license
16:04:05 raptor how long does it last?
16:05:06 watusimoto indefinite, with occasional pings, only seen one today
16:05:15 watusimoto oh, sorry, that's the trial period
16:05:20 watusimoto not sure about the license
16:05:25 watusimoto haven't got to that stage yet
16:05:36 watusimoto has multi-selection!
16:05:50 raptor OOooo
16:07:51 watusimoto it feels very slick under linux
16:07:56 raptor FYI on the android port
16:08:14 raptor I keep getting crazy crashes that I cannot figure out how to debug
16:08:28 raptor all of them look like memory errors with the graphics
16:08:47 raptor so i've put it to the side for now...
16:09:04 watusimoto ok, thanks for the update
16:09:27 watusimoto do the crashes seem random?
16:10:07 raptor so far it crashes guaranteed every time i check the high scores...
16:12:45 watusimoto at least it's consistent
16:13:03 watusimoto do you have a debugger, or are you trying to do this all with print statements?
16:13:36 raptor i caught a stack trace in a gdb-style debugger on the device
16:13:48 raptor let me see if i can find it again...
16:14:37 raptor (it's been two weeks since I looked at it)
16:22:24 raptor ok
16:23:52 raptor it isn't much:  http://pastie.org/4450531
16:23:57 watusimoto and you still have it?!? :-)
16:24:09 raptor i re-ran it
16:24:47 raptor this is on the emulator, with accessing the high scores
16:25:07 watusimoto mmm
16:25:10 watusimoto not so helpful
16:25:29 raptor nope
16:25:31 watusimoto I will look at this at some point in the future
16:25:57 raptor i compiled in all the debugging symbols everywhere i could
16:26:06 raptor i am legitimately stuck  :)
16:26:18 raptor but i figure i shouls work on 018 anyways...
16:26:21 raptor *shoudl
16:26:24 raptor bah
16:39:53 raptor here's another text editor i came across once that was pretty slick in linux:  http://foicica.com/textadept/
16:42:44 watusimoto ok, out of here -- on later
16:42:49 raptor bye
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18:47:00 krummi1999 hello everybody :D !!!
18:47:06 raptor hi
18:47:55 krummi1999 lets play!!!
18:48:20 raptor I'm sorry I'm have to focus a bit more on work right now
18:48:34 krummi1999 okay
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21:36:54 raptor lots of germans playing today!
22:03:52 raptor Watusimoto: i have break from school for two weeks, do you think we shoudl do a BBB soon?  (people have been pestering me..)
22:04:03 Watusimoto es
22:04:04 Watusimoto yes
22:04:50 raptor maybe for the 17th or 24th?
22:05:51 raptor i do not have recording capability, or probably will be around the entire time of the battle; but, I can do the announcement, get map requests, etc...
22:05:55 Watusimoto of what month
22:06:00 raptor this month
22:06:03 Watusimoto oh, august, I suppose
22:06:08 raptor before people go back to school...
22:06:36 Watusimoto if we do it that weekend, my kids won't be able to play
22:06:43 Watusimoto which is not the most critical concern
22:06:46 raptor both?
22:06:48 Watusimoto but it is two more bodies :-)
22:06:58 Watusimoto well, it doesn't really work from here
22:07:02 raptor they should get to play, too...  :)
22:07:07 raptor wait what?
22:07:07 Watusimoto so we'd have to be in the US
22:07:11 raptor ohhhh
22:07:20 Watusimoto lag is too great from europe
22:07:29 Watusimoto what day is labor day?
22:07:45 raptor 3rd?
22:08:00 raptor yes, 4rd of september
22:08:03 raptor oops
22:08:04 Watusimoto ok
22:08:06 raptor 3rd
22:08:18 Watusimoto school usually starts that week?
22:08:26 Watusimoto you probably don;t know
22:08:30 raptor yeah, most people are on 5/6
22:08:36 raptor according to the players
22:08:43 raptor i start school the 27th
22:08:46 raptor of aug
22:08:53 Watusimoto wait... don;t you work?
22:09:04 raptor yes i work
22:09:08 Watusimoto and school
22:09:11 Watusimoto and bitfighter
22:09:11 raptor sigh
22:09:14 Watusimoto and parenthood
22:09:22 raptor :)
22:09:24 Watusimoto well, I feel kind of lame
22:09:38 Watusimoto ok
22:09:43 raptor well i feel kind of tired...
22:09:52 Watusimoto if it's before school, does it need to be a friday night?
22:09:58 raptor not full time school
22:10:00 Watusimoto or should we just take that as a given
22:10:06 Watusimoto any school is hard
22:10:24 raptor it probably doesn't matter what day... let me ask some players real quick...
22:10:50 Watusimoto basically the situation for me is simple -- later is better
22:11:24 Watusimoto probably, as there are some complications that could reverse our schedule
22:12:55 raptor ok, they are giving me cryptic answers
22:13:43 Watusimoto we should just set a date and not worry about it
22:13:43 raptor blackbird says last two weeks of august are bad because his family is leaving...
22:13:57 raptor bah
22:13:59 Watusimoto we'll never find a date that works for everyone
22:14:11 raptor ok, when is good for your kids?
22:14:28 Watusimoto Aug 31?
22:14:47 raptor oh hey - there's another friday in aug
22:14:56 raptor that seems OK
22:15:12 raptor i'm in school by then so no relatives can ask me to come and visit anymore...
22:15:13 Watusimoto the following week would be more certain, but like I say... we gotta do it sometime, and I'm really not sure yet when we'll be where.
22:15:28 Watusimoto what I do know is that when we are in upstate NY, there is no internet
22:15:37 Watusimoto when we are in boston, there is
22:16:01 raptor do we want to time 018?  (will that be possible??)
22:16:11 Watusimoto no
22:16:42 Watusimoto I've got just one more week; unless you & sam want to handle the release solo
22:16:47 Watusimoto which you don;t want to do
22:16:56 raptor heh
22:16:57 Watusimoto so much testing to do
22:17:09 raptor i don't have any feel for the Lua side of things..
22:17:12 Watusimoto if something with the lua is screwed up, you'd need to triage and fix it
22:17:20 raptor sam686 and I have been testing though
22:17:58 Watusimoto if I were around, I'd say maybe
22:18:04 Watusimoto but I think it's too much
22:18:21 Watusimoto though
22:18:36 Watusimoto we could do a truncated 018 release with what we have, and do a full 018 later and call it 019
22:18:57 raptor i like doing things properly..
22:18:58 Watusimoto and worry only that existing lua functionaliyt works
22:19:07 raptor so if it it takes a few more weeks, so be it
22:19:09 Watusimoto not document or advertise new lua stuff
22:21:50 Watusimoto Aug 31 has a 50% chance of working for us, I'd say
22:23:32 Watusimoto Aug 8 is 75%
22:23:44 Watusimoto Sep 8, rather
22:24:21 raptor sounds like quantum mechanics
22:24:41 Watusimoto Aug 18 is probably 35-40%
22:24:45 Watusimoto unless it's 0
22:24:57 raptor yep, definitely QM
22:25:08 Watusimoto well, let's just do the 31st and hope for the best
22:25:21 raptor ok
22:25:36 Watusimoto It;s more important to me that the event be a success than that T & I be able to play
22:25:39 raptor i'd be fine with  sep 7 or 8, too
22:25:49 Watusimoto that's after school has started
22:25:59 Watusimoto I can see people getting lost
22:26:02 raptor i'm just thinking about the prisoners
22:26:06 Watusimoto in all the stuff that will be going on
22:26:46 Watusimoto let's tentatively say the 31st and we can reconfirm tomorrow
22:27:05 raptor ok, i can post 31st and mention that it is tentative
22:27:11 Watusimoto ok
22:27:38 Watusimoto 12:30 already?!??!?
22:27:46 raptor any coding done?
22:27:46 raptor :)
22:27:57 Watusimoto just discovered a new great song by a band I really like
22:28:06 raptor for bitfighter?
22:28:18 Watusimoto Alas, no
22:28:28 Watusimoto Stiff Little Fingers - No More of That
22:28:45 Watusimoto it's a little... well, wrong
22:28:51 Watusimoto definitely wrong
22:30:01 raptor ok...   that's a contrast with George Winston...
22:32:50 Watusimoto did you listen to it somehow?
22:33:07 raptor found a youtube video
22:33:22 Watusimoto ha
22:40:26 raptor ok posted:  http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1555
22:40:37 raptor short and sweet
22:40:40 raptor feel free to edit
22:47:56 Watusimoto looks great!
22:48:25 Watusimoto Added a line
22:48:36 Watusimoto "Spread the word"
22:48:38 raptor oh good
22:49:01 Watusimoto ok, 1/2 hour of coding
22:49:04 Watusimoto beginning now
22:54:44 Watusimoto just an idea for heatseekers
22:54:48 Watusimoto not sure if this could work
22:55:32 Watusimoto but rather than following the turn a bit each move model they do now, what if we connected the seeker with the target via a spline and it followed that trajectory?
22:56:02 Watusimoto maybe I'll try drawing one and see if it works
22:56:50 Watusimoto a spline isn't the right curve
22:58:55 raptor i'm not sure exactly how that'd affect the movement with what you have in mind...
23:00:38 raptor you mean to make it follow a spline path all the way to its target?  instead of simple arc + straight line?
23:06:15 Watusimoto well, if it followed a predictable path, we could render it as a method of showing its homing ability
23:06:20 Watusimoto or rather its target
23:06:42 Watusimoto I know exactly what I am thinking of, but don't know the correct curve to describe it to you
23:06:52 Watusimoto an arc
23:07:03 Watusimoto constrained by the direction the projectile is currently heading
23:07:19 raptor yes - but always in an arc...  no straight, right?
23:07:25 raptor i'm guessing...
23:07:28 Watusimoto and, if possible, coming in from the back rather than colliding sideways
23:07:35 Watusimoto so as to make following easier
23:07:54 Watusimoto so if you had a flexible plastic rod in your hand
23:08:11 Watusimoto and you constrained one end to be the direction the projectile is currently going
23:08:17 Watusimoto and the other end at the target
23:08:36 Watusimoto I guess that would be an arc with some other curves at the beginning and end, possibly
23:08:46 Watusimoto depending if it were an arc or an s shape
23:09:33 Watusimoto don't know if that's clear
23:09:59 raptor ...  i'll just let you code
23:10:44 raptor i need a better visual or drawing, but i don't want to waste your night explaining right now
23:11:52 Watusimoto :-)
23:12:10 Watusimoto you mean your night :-)
23:12:43 raptor hehe
23:14:45 Watusimoto tried on twiddla, but screw it
23:16:19 raptor is your idea to basically always spline the vectors gradually, instead of the fixed arc + straight path way I coded?
23:17:23 raptor i guess i'm trying to define your idea by how it is different...  and i'm failing
23:26:16 Watusimoto I guess we could render the arc and line to show the projectile's path
23:26:35 Watusimoto thought it would be cool to show how the projectile will fly
23:26:57 Watusimoto and if the thing thinks it can't hit, maybe it should break off
23:27:10 Watusimoto ok, well forget it for now, i'm working on something else
23:29:27 Watusimoto an arc is probably the best curve to follow
23:29:39 Watusimoto wait, we're forgetting it
23:31:29 raptor haha, ok
23:32:32 Watusimoto ok, another idea
23:32:41 Watusimoto what about letting peopel insert images into levels
23:32:54 Watusimoto you're thinking, "crazy!"
23:33:11 raptor i'm thinking - not specific enough to compute in my head
23:33:26 Watusimoto but my thought was if people could restrain themselves to vectory looking images, it might add some visual flair to a level
23:33:28 raptor are you thinking textures?
23:33:35 Watusimoto no, pngs
23:33:41 raptor so yes, textures
23:33:44 Watusimoto ok
23:33:58 Watusimoto so you might creaete a computer bank for ambiance
23:34:04 raptor the only openGL texture we use now is the font for the OGLConsole
23:34:05 Watusimoto no game role, only display like text or lines
23:34:37 raptor i'm thinking "crazy!"
23:34:44 Watusimoto or perhaps we could offer different wall textures and styles
23:34:50 Watusimoto all vectory of course
23:35:18 raptor this feels dirty somehow...
23:35:24 Watusimoto maybe I should draw some ideas and see how they look
23:35:30 Watusimoto then we can use them to decide
23:35:39 Watusimoto I do understand
23:35:46 raptor players have asked for various colored zones
23:35:50 raptor so they can 'draw' more
23:36:26 Watusimoto I do keep coming back to the idea of colored walls to allow sections of levels to feel more "basey"
23:36:39 Watusimoto i.e. like the yellow base could have yellowinsh walls
23:36:55 raptor maybe have a team color allow for a shaded spectrum?
23:37:03 Watusimoto maybe
23:37:08 Watusimoto again, perhaps this is a job for photoshop
23:37:27 Watusimoto in fact, if someone proposed it to me, I'd tell them to create some samples
23:37:45 raptor or are you thinking:  upload a picture of freckles the cat -> edge detection plugin -> vector graphics!
23:37:49 Watusimoto no
23:38:00 Watusimoto upload freckles, get lifetime ban
23:38:16 Watusimoto upload an image that is already vectory
23:38:20 Watusimoto the insert it raw
23:38:31 Watusimoto let's drop the idea until I produce some examples
23:38:38 Watusimoto not tonight
23:38:41 raptor ok
23:38:42 Watusimoto maybe that's a good boston task
23:38:52 raptor quietly forgets about this conversation
23:39:57 Watusimoto I've reduced my alcohol intake fairly dramatically over the past months, and I think it's making me deranged
23:40:22 raptor ideas starting to flow easier?  :)
23:40:47 Watusimoto sadly

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00:00:49	sam686	if you don't have my levelgen,
00:00:59	sam686	http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/bitfighter/levels/
00:01:11	raptor	is it failing for you anywhere?
00:01:19	raptor	the forcefield placement?
00:01:21	sam686	yes,
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03:46:37	raptor	go to bed Watusimoto!
04:01:11	raptor	ok sam686, still around?
04:01:21	raptor	have you found any clue to that engineer bug?
04:22:06	raptor	sam686: i cannot duplicate the issue anymore... maybe you have to join?
04:22:37	sam686	ok
04:22:57	raptor	ok, i duplicated it on your server
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04:32:07	Little_Apple	Helloo
04:32:11	raptor	hi
04:32:17	Little_Apple	Wazzap
04:32:33	raptor	crazy engineer bug...
04:32:43	Little_Apple	I'm trying out the google chrome app :P
04:33:03	raptor	?
04:33:15	Little_Apple	The web browser
04:33:26	Little_Apple	But mobile
04:33:52	Little_Apple	iPod touch.
04:34:00	Little_Apple	And I'm gone
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04:44:36	sam686	not sure if that will work, but try adding this line on top of some files for testing? #define static_cast(a) (dynamic_cast(a) == 0 ? TNLAssert(false, "Bad static_cast") : static_cast(a))
04:44:59	raptor	i couldn't duplicate it the last two levels in a row...
04:45:36	raptor	good idea
04:47:43	sam686	maybe, put it in header file, probably in tnl/tnlAssert.h ? (preferably on line 89)
05:02:21	sam686	need to go to bed?
05:05:51	raptor	ok
05:05:53	raptor	i'm back
05:05:56	raptor	yeah, off to bed
05:06:04	raptor	i'm no closer to figuring this out...
05:07:49	sam686	apparently, my "define static_cast(a)" is not working,
05:07:56	sam686	#defind static
05:08:06	sam686	#defind static_cast dynamic_cast you could try
05:08:23	sam686	and i think it might be on EngineeredItem.cpp
05:10:16	raptor	maybe a lot of turrets are being found?
05:12:29	sam686	maybe, you not clearing the fillVector just before line 341 ? (EngineeredItem.cpp)
05:13:02	raptor	ha!
05:13:06	raptor	that's gotta be it!
05:14:30	raptor	let me recompile and we can test on my server...
05:31:54	sam686	oh and that engineer appears to be fixed (but unpushed)
05:32:05	raptor	i'll push now
05:32:16	raptor	done
05:33:07	raptor	ok good night
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05:36:00		BFLogBot - Commit 8a98e624ea45 \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Log: Possibly fix weird forcefield bug with not being able to place them sometimes. The fillVector here should be cleared anyways
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14:32:26	raptor	good day!
15:11:53	watusimoto	g'day
15:11:57	raptor	hi
15:15:23	raptor	did you see the BBB badges now? pretty much the same, but a little better with the lines...
15:50:38	watusimoto	saw the link you posted last night
15:50:45	watusimoto	they look pretty good
15:50:58	watusimoto	They may be as good as they'll get with that design
15:51:10	raptor	i'm open to changes, of course
15:51:24	raptor	i should give you one so you can see it in the scoreboard...
15:51:25	watusimoto	I know -- I have nothing to suggest beyond what you did
15:51:32	watusimoto	sure
15:51:39	watusimoto	I hope to do a little coding this weekend
15:51:48	watusimoto	I want to get a little more Lua done
15:52:00	watusimoto	I am thinking we can do 018 without a full Lua implementation
15:52:12	raptor	?
15:52:19	watusimoto	and we can work towards better fleshing it out for 019
15:52:28	watusimoto	I mean a working implementation, just not all the fns I think we need
15:52:48	watusimoto	I've been adding lots of new functions
15:52:57	watusimoto	none are needed by any existing bot or levelgen
15:53:02	raptor	ok, you have th bronze badge now
15:53:09	watusimoto	super -- I'll check it tonight
15:53:13	raptor	ok
15:53:26	raptor	ah, all the functions, yes
15:53:28	watusimoto	just so you know, I have another vacation coming up
15:53:36	raptor	that seems fine - it doesn't need to be completely complete
15:53:41	watusimoto	I'll be around all next week, then 3 weeks in the us
15:53:54	raptor	welcome back!
15:54:05	watusimoto	during that trip, I'll have some time with access to the internet
15:54:08	watusimoto	and some not
15:54:25	watusimoto	I'm trying to save some non-coding tasks for that period, so I can work on them without a dev environment
15:54:34	watusimoto	e.g. documenting all these new functions
15:54:51	watusimoto	blech
15:55:05	raptor	blech
15:55:08	watusimoto	found a great new text editor, btw
15:55:15	watusimoto	runs on linux too
15:55:18	watusimoto	check out sublime
15:55:34	watusimoto	only been using it for a day, but already thinking it will be my new standard
15:55:35	raptor	ok
15:55:37	raptor	sublime...
15:55:43	watusimoto	indeed!
15:56:15	watusimoto	just figured out how to bind key sequences to a command, such as ctrl-Q, w
15:56:49	watusimoto	anwya, the most important remaining lua functions are related to walls and to game types
15:57:16	watusimoto	also, a design dilemma
15:57:22	raptor	uh oh
15:57:28	watusimoto	not too bad
15:57:50	watusimoto	so say you want an event to trigger when a player enters a particular loadout zone (with an id of, say 99)
15:57:59	watusimoto	we could do this:
15:58:47	watusimoto	1) subscribe("EnterZoneEvent"), then in onEnterZone(ship, zone) test zone for id = 99
15:58:50	watusimoto	or
15:59:31	watusimoto	2) subscribe("EnterZoneEvent", 99, playerHitZone99()), creating a new function that will get called when player hits specified zone
15:59:45	raptor	i like #2
15:59:47	watusimoto	basically allowing us to push some of the event handling into C++
15:59:59	raptor	with a callback
16:00:03	watusimoto	2 is more complex to implement
16:00:08	watusimoto	but maybe not too bad
16:00:15	watusimoto	maybe allow both mechanisms?
16:00:25	raptor	but I also like multiple signatures for subscribing
16:00:27	watusimoto	with no args there is an implicit callback (onEnteredZone)
16:00:34	watusimoto	with args you specify a callback
16:00:35	raptor	so #1 for any zone event
16:00:41	raptor	yes
16:00:55	raptor	actually
16:01:02	raptor	we may want to just keep it simple...
16:01:14	raptor	with #1
16:01:19	raptor	man, now i don't know..
16:01:23	watusimoto	ok, will try implementing one that way
16:01:28	watusimoto	#1 already is how events work
16:01:37	watusimoto	so implementing is trivial... i.e. do nothing
16:02:00	watusimoto	I think #2 might be nice -- it might make code clearer
16:02:18	watusimoto	if you have multiple event handlers, you just register for multiple events with different callback fns.
16:03:00	watusimoto	I'll look at whether that is really that hard
16:03:57	raptor	sublime has a license
16:04:05	raptor	how long does it last?
16:05:06	watusimoto	indefinite, with occasional pings, only seen one today
16:05:15	watusimoto	oh, sorry, that's the trial period
16:05:20	watusimoto	not sure about the license
16:05:25	watusimoto	haven't got to that stage yet
16:05:36	watusimoto	has multi-selection!
16:05:50	raptor	OOooo
16:07:51	watusimoto	it feels very slick under linux
16:07:56	raptor	FYI on the android port
16:08:14	raptor	I keep getting crazy crashes that I cannot figure out how to debug
16:08:28	raptor	all of them look like memory errors with the graphics
16:08:47	raptor	so i've put it to the side for now...
16:09:04	watusimoto	ok, thanks for the update
16:09:27	watusimoto	do the crashes seem random?
16:10:07	raptor	so far it crashes guaranteed every time i check the high scores...
16:12:45	watusimoto	at least it's consistent
16:13:03	watusimoto	do you have a debugger, or are you trying to do this all with print statements?
16:13:36	raptor	i caught a stack trace in a gdb-style debugger on the device
16:13:48	raptor	let me see if i can find it again...
16:14:37	raptor	(it's been two weeks since I looked at it)
16:22:24	raptor	ok
16:23:52	raptor	it isn't much: http://pastie.org/4450531
16:23:57	watusimoto	and you still have it?!? :-)
16:24:09	raptor	i re-ran it
16:24:47	raptor	this is on the emulator, with accessing the high scores
16:25:07	watusimoto	mmm
16:25:10	watusimoto	not so helpful
16:25:29	raptor	nope
16:25:31	watusimoto	I will look at this at some point in the future
16:25:57	raptor	i compiled in all the debugging symbols everywhere i could
16:26:06	raptor	i am legitimately stuck :)
16:26:18	raptor	but i figure i shouls work on 018 anyways...
16:26:21	raptor	*shoudl
16:26:24	raptor	bah
16:39:53	raptor	here's another text editor i came across once that was pretty slick in linux: http://foicica.com/textadept/
16:42:44	watusimoto	ok, out of here -- on later
16:42:49	raptor	bye
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18:47:00	krummi1999	hello everybody :D !!!
18:47:06	raptor	hi
18:47:55	krummi1999	lets play!!!
18:48:20	raptor	I'm sorry I'm have to focus a bit more on work right now
18:48:34	krummi1999	okay
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21:36:54	raptor	lots of germans playing today!
22:03:52	raptor	Watusimoto: i have break from school for two weeks, do you think we shoudl do a BBB soon? (people have been pestering me..)
22:04:03	Watusimoto	es
22:04:04	Watusimoto	yes
22:04:50	raptor	maybe for the 17th or 24th?
22:05:51	raptor	i do not have recording capability, or probably will be around the entire time of the battle; but, I can do the announcement, get map requests, etc...
22:05:55	Watusimoto	of what month
22:06:00	raptor	this month
22:06:03	Watusimoto	oh, august, I suppose
22:06:08	raptor	before people go back to school...
22:06:36	Watusimoto	if we do it that weekend, my kids won't be able to play
22:06:43	Watusimoto	which is not the most critical concern
22:06:46	raptor	both?
22:06:48	Watusimoto	but it is two more bodies :-)
22:06:58	Watusimoto	well, it doesn't really work from here
22:07:02	raptor	they should get to play, too... :)
22:07:07	raptor	wait what?
22:07:07	Watusimoto	so we'd have to be in the US
22:07:11	raptor	ohhhh
22:07:20	Watusimoto	lag is too great from europe
22:07:29	Watusimoto	what day is labor day?
22:07:45	raptor	3rd?
22:08:00	raptor	yes, 4rd of september
22:08:03	raptor	oops
22:08:04	Watusimoto	ok
22:08:06	raptor	3rd
22:08:18	Watusimoto	school usually starts that week?
22:08:26	Watusimoto	you probably don;t know
22:08:30	raptor	yeah, most people are on 5/6
22:08:36	raptor	according to the players
22:08:43	raptor	i start school the 27th
22:08:46	raptor	of aug
22:08:53	Watusimoto	wait... don;t you work?
22:09:04	raptor	yes i work
22:09:08	Watusimoto	and school
22:09:11	Watusimoto	and bitfighter
22:09:11	raptor	sigh
22:09:14	Watusimoto	and parenthood
22:09:22	raptor	:)
22:09:24	Watusimoto	well, I feel kind of lame
22:09:38	Watusimoto	ok
22:09:43	raptor	well i feel kind of tired...
22:09:52	Watusimoto	if it's before school, does it need to be a friday night?
22:09:58	raptor	not full time school
22:10:00	Watusimoto	or should we just take that as a given
22:10:06	Watusimoto	any school is hard
22:10:24	raptor	it probably doesn't matter what day... let me ask some players real quick...
22:10:50	Watusimoto	basically the situation for me is simple -- later is better
22:11:24	Watusimoto	probably, as there are some complications that could reverse our schedule
22:12:55	raptor	ok, they are giving me cryptic answers
22:13:43	Watusimoto	we should just set a date and not worry about it
22:13:43	raptor	blackbird says last two weeks of august are bad because his family is leaving...
22:13:57	raptor	bah
22:13:59	Watusimoto	we'll never find a date that works for everyone
22:14:11	raptor	ok, when is good for your kids?
22:14:28	Watusimoto	Aug 31?
22:14:47	raptor	oh hey - there's another friday in aug
22:14:56	raptor	that seems OK
22:15:12	raptor	i'm in school by then so no relatives can ask me to come and visit anymore...
22:15:13	Watusimoto	the following week would be more certain, but like I say... we gotta do it sometime, and I'm really not sure yet when we'll be where.
22:15:28	Watusimoto	what I do know is that when we are in upstate NY, there is no internet
22:15:37	Watusimoto	when we are in boston, there is
22:16:01	raptor	do we want to time 018? (will that be possible??)
22:16:11	Watusimoto	no
22:16:42	Watusimoto	I've got just one more week; unless you & sam want to handle the release solo
22:16:47	Watusimoto	which you don;t want to do
22:16:56	raptor	heh
22:16:57	Watusimoto	so much testing to do
22:17:09	raptor	i don't have any feel for the Lua side of things..
22:17:12	Watusimoto	if something with the lua is screwed up, you'd need to triage and fix it
22:17:20	raptor	sam686 and I have been testing though
22:17:58	Watusimoto	if I were around, I'd say maybe
22:18:04	Watusimoto	but I think it's too much
22:18:21	Watusimoto	though
22:18:36	Watusimoto	we could do a truncated 018 release with what we have, and do a full 018 later and call it 019
22:18:57	raptor	i like doing things properly..
22:18:58	Watusimoto	and worry only that existing lua functionaliyt works
22:19:07	raptor	so if it it takes a few more weeks, so be it
22:19:09	Watusimoto	not document or advertise new lua stuff
22:21:50	Watusimoto	Aug 31 has a 50% chance of working for us, I'd say
22:23:32	Watusimoto	Aug 8 is 75%
22:23:44	Watusimoto	Sep 8, rather
22:24:21	raptor	sounds like quantum mechanics
22:24:41	Watusimoto	Aug 18 is probably 35-40%
22:24:45	Watusimoto	unless it's 0
22:24:57	raptor	yep, definitely QM
22:25:08	Watusimoto	well, let's just do the 31st and hope for the best
22:25:21	raptor	ok
22:25:36	Watusimoto	It;s more important to me that the event be a success than that T & I be able to play
22:25:39	raptor	i'd be fine with sep 7 or 8, too
22:25:49	Watusimoto	that's after school has started
22:25:59	Watusimoto	I can see people getting lost
22:26:02	raptor	i'm just thinking about the prisoners
22:26:06	Watusimoto	in all the stuff that will be going on
22:26:46	Watusimoto	let's tentatively say the 31st and we can reconfirm tomorrow
22:27:05	raptor	ok, i can post 31st and mention that it is tentative
22:27:11	Watusimoto	ok
22:27:38	Watusimoto	12:30 already?!??!?
22:27:46	raptor	any coding done?
22:27:46	raptor	:)
22:27:57	Watusimoto	just discovered a new great song by a band I really like
22:28:06	raptor	for bitfighter?
22:28:18	Watusimoto	Alas, no
22:28:28	Watusimoto	Stiff Little Fingers - No More of That
22:28:45	Watusimoto	it's a little... well, wrong
22:28:51	Watusimoto	definitely wrong
22:30:01	raptor	ok... that's a contrast with George Winston...
22:32:50	Watusimoto	did you listen to it somehow?
22:33:07	raptor	found a youtube video
22:33:22	Watusimoto	ha
22:40:26	raptor	ok posted: http://bitfighter.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1555
22:40:37	raptor	short and sweet
22:40:40	raptor	feel free to edit
22:47:56	Watusimoto	looks great!
22:48:25	Watusimoto	Added a line
22:48:36	Watusimoto	"Spread the word"
22:48:38	raptor	oh good
22:49:01	Watusimoto	ok, 1/2 hour of coding
22:49:04	Watusimoto	beginning now
22:54:44	Watusimoto	just an idea for heatseekers
22:54:48	Watusimoto	not sure if this could work
22:55:32	Watusimoto	but rather than following the turn a bit each move model they do now, what if we connected the seeker with the target via a spline and it followed that trajectory?
22:56:02	Watusimoto	maybe I'll try drawing one and see if it works
22:56:50	Watusimoto	a spline isn't the right curve
22:58:55	raptor	i'm not sure exactly how that'd affect the movement with what you have in mind...
23:00:38	raptor	you mean to make it follow a spline path all the way to its target? instead of simple arc + straight line?
23:06:15	Watusimoto	well, if it followed a predictable path, we could render it as a method of showing its homing ability
23:06:20	Watusimoto	or rather its target
23:06:42	Watusimoto	I know exactly what I am thinking of, but don't know the correct curve to describe it to you
23:06:52	Watusimoto	an arc
23:07:03	Watusimoto	constrained by the direction the projectile is currently heading
23:07:19	raptor	yes - but always in an arc... no straight, right?
23:07:25	raptor	i'm guessing...
23:07:28	Watusimoto	and, if possible, coming in from the back rather than colliding sideways
23:07:35	Watusimoto	so as to make following easier
23:07:54	Watusimoto	so if you had a flexible plastic rod in your hand
23:08:11	Watusimoto	and you constrained one end to be the direction the projectile is currently going
23:08:17	Watusimoto	and the other end at the target
23:08:36	Watusimoto	I guess that would be an arc with some other curves at the beginning and end, possibly
23:08:46	Watusimoto	depending if it were an arc or an s shape
23:09:33	Watusimoto	don't know if that's clear
23:09:59	raptor	... i'll just let you code
23:10:44	raptor	i need a better visual or drawing, but i don't want to waste your night explaining right now
23:11:52	Watusimoto	:-)
23:12:10	Watusimoto	you mean your night :-)
23:12:43	raptor	hehe
23:14:45	Watusimoto	tried on twiddla, but screw it
23:16:19	raptor	is your idea to basically always spline the vectors gradually, instead of the fixed arc + straight path way I coded?
23:17:23	raptor	i guess i'm trying to define your idea by how it is different... and i'm failing
23:26:16	Watusimoto	I guess we could render the arc and line to show the projectile's path
23:26:35	Watusimoto	thought it would be cool to show how the projectile will fly
23:26:57	Watusimoto	and if the thing thinks it can't hit, maybe it should break off
23:27:10	Watusimoto	ok, well forget it for now, i'm working on something else
23:29:27	Watusimoto	an arc is probably the best curve to follow
23:29:39	Watusimoto	wait, we're forgetting it
23:31:29	raptor	haha, ok
23:32:32	Watusimoto	ok, another idea
23:32:41	Watusimoto	what about letting peopel insert images into levels
23:32:54	Watusimoto	you're thinking, "crazy!"
23:33:11	raptor	i'm thinking - not specific enough to compute in my head
23:33:26	Watusimoto	but my thought was if people could restrain themselves to vectory looking images, it might add some visual flair to a level
23:33:28	raptor	are you thinking textures?
23:33:35	Watusimoto	no, pngs
23:33:41	raptor	so yes, textures
23:33:44	Watusimoto	ok
23:33:58	Watusimoto	so you might creaete a computer bank for ambiance
23:34:04	raptor	the only openGL texture we use now is the font for the OGLConsole
23:34:05	Watusimoto	no game role, only display like text or lines
23:34:37	raptor	i'm thinking "crazy!"
23:34:44	Watusimoto	or perhaps we could offer different wall textures and styles
23:34:50	Watusimoto	all vectory of course
23:35:18	raptor	this feels dirty somehow...
23:35:24	Watusimoto	maybe I should draw some ideas and see how they look
23:35:30	Watusimoto	then we can use them to decide
23:35:39	Watusimoto	I do understand
23:35:46	raptor	players have asked for various colored zones
23:35:50	raptor	so they can 'draw' more
23:36:26	Watusimoto	I do keep coming back to the idea of colored walls to allow sections of levels to feel more "basey"
23:36:39	Watusimoto	i.e. like the yellow base could have yellowinsh walls
23:36:55	raptor	maybe have a team color allow for a shaded spectrum?
23:37:03	Watusimoto	maybe
23:37:08	Watusimoto	again, perhaps this is a job for photoshop
23:37:27	Watusimoto	in fact, if someone proposed it to me, I'd tell them to create some samples
23:37:45	raptor	or are you thinking: upload a picture of freckles the cat -> edge detection plugin -> vector graphics!
23:37:49	Watusimoto	no
23:38:00	Watusimoto	upload freckles, get lifetime ban
23:38:16	Watusimoto	upload an image that is already vectory
23:38:20	Watusimoto	the insert it raw
23:38:31	Watusimoto	let's drop the idea until I produce some examples
23:38:38	Watusimoto	not tonight
23:38:41	raptor	ok
23:38:42	Watusimoto	maybe that's a good boston task
23:38:52		raptor quietly forgets about this conversation
23:39:57	Watusimoto	I've reduced my alcohol intake fairly dramatically over the past months, and I think it's making me deranged
23:40:22	raptor	ideas starting to flow easier? :)
23:40:47	Watusimoto	sadly