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| 01:15:57 | raptor | master doesn't keep authenticated state? |
| 01:16:02 | raptor | go to bitfighter.org |
| 01:18:15 | raptor | the client list from the JSON doesn't have me underlined, but i'm authenticated (badges show up in servers) |
| 01:23:17 | raptor | looks like it's an index off by one problem? |
| 01:23:27 | raptor | as soon as someone else joined, i show up as underlined now |
| 01:26:26 | raptor | maybe caching? |
| 01:26:43 | raptor | probably not index-off-by-one |
| 01:40:38 | sam686 | that could only mean one thing, either mysql database happen to be slow sometimes, slowing down master's database therad (instead of freezing master like before) |
| 01:41:40 | raptor | so some operations still need to be blocking, then? |
| 01:41:42 | sam686 | it might temperory show as unauthenticated if it can't read the database,, |
| 01:42:37 | sam686 | or, maybe Threre is some error on master to fix my coding |
| 01:42:51 | sam686 | probably, unset variables.. |
| 01:43:18 | raptor | it seems that once you login to master, the JSON is created, but if the database doesn't return in time, the JSON stays the way it is until someone else logs on to master |
| 01:44:41 | sam686 | oh, i guess it is simply failing to make master update JSON after authenticating |
| 02:49:51 | | BFLogBot - Commit 03065d754305 | Author: sam8641 | Log: Fix not updating JSON when authenticating, Old high score cache removed after 2 hours (can get outdated), Delayed JSON helps avoid seeing name as not authenticated. |
| 02:50:05 | sam686 | just updated master now.. |
| 02:50:16 | raptor | ok, want me to recompile? |
| 02:50:31 | sam686 | I said, I just updated recompiled master |
| 02:50:48 | raptor | ah ok - i thought you just meant the commit |
| 02:52:12 | sam686 | no more "unauthenticated" your authenticated name due to failing to update JSON |
| 03:00:27 | raptor | yay |
| 04:10:58 | raptor | hi sam686, still around? |
| 04:11:05 | sam686 | yes |
| 04:11:26 | raptor | can you join my server and see where the logo disappears? |
| 04:11:36 | sam686 | ok.. |
| 04:15:48 | sam686 | the TextItem extent (disappearing) problem doesn't happen on 017, but does on latest 018 code |
| 04:21:35 | raptor | yes |
| 04:21:37 | raptor | you're right.. |
| 04:33:36 | sam686 | commited a TextItem fix |
| 04:34:07 | raptor | you beat me! |
| 04:35:03 | | BFLogBot - Commit 35cb97fda81a | Author: sam8641 | Log: Fixed TextItem disappearing, probably all calcExtent should be renamed to calcExtents |
| 04:45:53 | raptor | night |
| 04:46:04 | sam686 | night |
| 04:46:09 | sam686 | . /shutdown 30 ( |
| 04:46:22 | sam686 | jsut kidding, no shutting down IRC server |
| 04:46:28 | raptor | heh |
| 04:46:43 | sam686 | night |
| 04:47:18 | raptor | ngiht |
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| 20:05:06 | raptor | hello |
| 20:14:01 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 20:14:07 | raptor | well hello |
| 20:14:13 | Watusimoto | back in lux |
| 20:14:24 | raptor | enjoyed the US? |
| 20:14:28 | Watusimoto | very much |
| 20:14:33 | Watusimoto | it was a nice holiday |
| 20:14:54 | Watusimoto | now I'm trying to figure out how to integrate the lua docs into bf code |
| 20:15:21 | Watusimoto | after some thought, I am still convinced it is a better solution than what I was doing |
| 20:15:38 | Watusimoto | luckily, most of what I wrote will be copypastable |
| 20:15:58 | raptor | wanting to use the luadoc utility? |
| 20:16:04 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 20:16:17 | Watusimoto | the results are pretty good |
| 20:16:22 | Watusimoto | and we can modify them if we want |
| 20:16:48 | Watusimoto | maybe I can get rid of the -luadoc option |
| 20:16:54 | raptor | sure |
| 20:17:16 | raptor | it never fit perfectly in a terminal for me anyways... :) |
| 20:18:00 | Watusimoto | you need a wider terminal! |
| 20:18:26 | Watusimoto | I do think we will need to mimic naev's two step approach |
| 20:18:35 | Watusimoto | sed + luadoc |
| 20:19:06 | Watusimoto | i can run sed fine from windows, but will need to figure a way to combine a bat file with a shell script somehow |
| 20:19:12 | raptor | are you planning on writing the comments in doxygen syntax? |
| 20:19:16 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 20:19:20 | Watusimoto | it's as good as any |
| 20:19:24 | raptor | ok |
| 20:19:26 | Watusimoto | the native luadoc syntax will not work |
| 20:19:32 | Watusimoto | in c++ code |
| 20:19:38 | raptor | ah |
| 20:19:48 | raptor | i didn't actually look too closely at it.. |
| 20:20:02 | Watusimoto | if we use doxygen, then we can use the naev sed script |
| 20:20:09 | Watusimoto | less work that way! |
| 20:20:25 | raptor | maybe you could use the MSYS shell in windows? |
| 20:20:49 | Watusimoto | msys? |
| 20:20:52 | raptor | seems like most open source projects never actually seriously consider the standard terminal |
| 20:21:13 | raptor | it's a sub project of mingw |
| 20:21:21 | raptor | basically a unix shell in windows |
| 20:21:43 | raptor | http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/MSYS/ |
| 20:21:49 | raptor | but not cygwin based |
| 20:21:53 | raptor | all native |
| 20:21:57 | raptor | ish |
| 20:22:30 | raptor | well - it uses GNU libraries compiled natively for windows instead of cygwin's simulation interface |
| 20:23:47 | Watusimoto | I do have a set of utils installed called gnu-tools |
| 20:24:04 | Watusimoto | it has a sh implementation, though very little-featured |
| 20:24:10 | Watusimoto | very partial, I think |
| 20:24:14 | Watusimoto | maybe it will be enough |
| 20:25:07 | Watusimoto | or I could implement a stub bat and sh file that calls a sed script where the action will happen |
| 20:26:13 | raptor | mingw + msys installer: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/Installer/mingw-get-inst/mingw-get-inst-20120426/ |
| 20:28:22 | Watusimoto | let's try it |
| 20:37:01 | Watusimoto | might work! |
| 20:37:10 | Watusimoto | the sh implememntation is better than the one I had |
| 20:37:16 | Watusimoto | or at least not obviously worse |
| 20:38:15 | raptor | yeah - it's the best one for windows, i think |
| 20:39:13 | raptor | and depending on how much of the mingw compiler you installed, you may be able to ditch vc++! |
| 20:39:32 | Watusimoto | ha |
| 20:39:41 | raptor | you coudl use notepad instead |
| 20:39:43 | Watusimoto | I tried that once... gave up with endless link problems |
| 20:39:57 | Watusimoto | maybe sublime could work... |
| 20:40:40 | Watusimoto | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1154517/c-compiler-for-windows |
| 20:40:44 | raptor | oh yeah... the libraries might be a problem |
| 20:40:54 | raptor | actually - i've already compiled most of them as DLLs |
| 20:43:32 | raptor | well, i'm not going to be an open source evangelist and push for mingw - i won't be using windows, anyways... |
| 20:44:18 | Watusimoto | vc++ really is pretty good (though not nearly as good as eclipse + java!) |
| 20:44:51 | raptor | i'm actually impressed with vc++ - especially given the language it has to deal with |
| 20:47:45 | Watusimoto | one thing it's missing: cmd to join two lines (what most editors map to ctrl+j_ |
| 20:47:55 | Watusimoto | this REALLY annoys me |
| 20:48:11 | Watusimoto | how can an editor not have that?!??!? |
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| 20:49:27 | raptor | huh, you're right |
| 20:49:38 | raptor | i see it on people's wish lists for useful shortcuts |
| 20:54:09 | Watusimoto | I am going to try to wean myself off the hg gui, at least for the every day stuff |
| 20:54:13 | Watusimoto | tortoise is a memory hog |
| 20:54:22 | raptor | oink oink |
| 20:57:20 | raptor | hg is much friendlier on the command line than git is |
| 20:57:30 | raptor | i would probably like a git gui |
| 20:58:40 | sam686 | I feel that chrome starts to be a memory hugger, using 1 GB of RAM for only 20 tabs of different web pages.. |
| 20:58:57 | raptor | heh |
| 20:59:04 | raptor | use lynx! |
| 21:00:42 | sam686 | this seem to tell me that they say firefox uses a lot less RAM then chrome web browser... https://www.google.com/search?q=chrome+vs+firefox+memory+usage |
| 21:01:04 | raptor | well, until you install addons |
| 21:01:14 | raptor | like adblock flashblock ghostery httpseverywhere |
| 21:02:06 | sam686 | i don't need adblock plugin since i feel that a host files blocking ads can take care of most of blocking of ads.. |
| 21:04:00 | sam686 | any browser can get slow or might too much memory with too much plugins, but usually plugins can be disabled.. |
| 21:04:01 | raptor | oh yeah |
| 21:04:12 | raptor | i forgot you showed me that |
| 21:04:41 | sam686 | yes, its this for host file block ads: https://www.google.com/search?q=hosts+file+block |
| 21:05:28 | sam686 | I bet hosts file don't hardly use any more then a few kilobytes or megabytes of RAM |
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| 21:19:01 | Watusimoto | git pull git push... what else is there? |
| 21:20:45 | raptor | git fetch |
| 21:20:59 | raptor | i find i usually do about 50% more commands with git than hg |
| 21:21:41 | raptor | and then the branching... |
| 21:22:24 | raptor | takes a little bit to get used to, and it isn't always obvious what branch you're on (unless you edit the shell to to tell you) |
| 21:27:07 | raptor | granted there was a learning curve with hg, too |
| 21:39:48 | Watusimoto | of course!!!!! |
| 21:40:11 | Watusimoto | here I am banging my head away trying to create a sh script that also runs as a bat file when the solution is so obvious!!!! |
| 21:40:15 | Watusimoto | do it in perl!!! |
| 21:40:30 | raptor | and forever assume the maintenance |
| 21:40:38 | Watusimoto | :-) |
| 21:40:49 | Watusimoto | perl CAN be written clearly! Really! |
| 21:40:57 | raptor | I have seen it done once |
| 21:40:59 | Watusimoto | not that it often is |
| 21:41:04 | Watusimoto | you will see it again! |
| 21:41:19 | raptor | i hope so! |
| 21:50:39 | raptor | oh yeah - did you get my e-mail about sensor and heatseeker? |
| 21:51:30 | Watusimoto | hell, this will be clearer than the .sh script! |
| 21:51:35 | Watusimoto | yes, I got the email |
| 21:51:40 | Watusimoto | I saw sam's video |
| 21:51:46 | Watusimoto | I agree with what you both said |
| 21:52:04 | Watusimoto | I am not sure about the best solution; probably we should just try something and see what works |
| 21:52:35 | Watusimoto | another idea i had would be to fire 3 heat seekers (like triples) to make triple the trouble |
| 21:52:41 | raptor | so it should be harder to evade |
| 21:52:42 | raptor | ha |
| 21:52:50 | Watusimoto | but that would be in additionto, not instead of, the other fixes |
| 21:52:55 | Watusimoto | easier to evade yes. |
| 21:53:03 | raptor | ?? |
| 21:53:04 | Watusimoto | sorry |
| 21:53:06 | Watusimoto | harder to evade |
| 21:53:13 | Watusimoto | NOT EASIER |
| 21:53:22 | raptor | i had this idea... |
| 21:53:34 | raptor | what if the slower it goes, the larger the target radius |
| 21:54:00 | raptor | so when you shoot it moving backwards, it could target at 270 degrees instead of 180 |
| 21:54:07 | Watusimoto | interesting... |
| 21:54:20 | Watusimoto | though I think hs should always go fastish |
| 21:54:33 | Watusimoto | even when fired backwards |
| 21:54:58 | raptor | so maybe make the initial speed absolute instead of relative to the ship? |
| 21:55:14 | raptor | which seems... odd |
| 21:55:15 | Watusimoto | I didn't like the looping back to hit the target of the original implementation, but after seeing sam's video, I'm beginning to think that may be the only way to fix them |
| 21:55:42 | raptor | well we could just make it turn slightly sharper - not as sharp as my first go at it |
| 21:56:06 | Watusimoto | I think it would still be easy to dodge, but it's a simple thing to try |
| 21:56:15 | raptor | or.. |
| 21:56:29 | raptor | if it detects it's lost the target, start circling? |
| 21:56:34 | raptor | slowly |
| 21:57:18 | Watusimoto | or maybe exploding when in proximity would fix the problem |
| 21:57:35 | raptor | area damage? |
| 21:57:40 | raptor | hmmm |
| 21:57:42 | Watusimoto | maybe? |
| 21:57:56 | raptor | a tracking burst |
| 21:58:03 | Watusimoto | yeah.... lamish |
| 21:58:15 | Watusimoto | let's try a sharper turn and see how that works |
| 21:58:23 | raptor | ok |
| 21:58:30 | Watusimoto | but it seems you'll always be able to dodge it at the last minute |
| 21:58:44 | Watusimoto | unless it turns really sharp |
| 21:59:57 | raptor | well you still have to be a ships radius away at the last minute |
| 22:00:41 | raptor | with a sharper turn and set at the right speed, the computer can beat human reaction almost every time |
| 22:20:30 | Watusimoto | true |
| 22:20:42 | Watusimoto | but would too sharp a turn be lame? only one way to find out! |
| 22:24:45 | raptor | well, there are two major factors: the sharpness and the targetting radius |
| 22:25:32 | raptor | since the targetting radius is 180 degrees, the sharpness probably matters less.. |
| 22:28:06 | Watusimoto | sharpness is probably everything |
| 22:28:18 | Watusimoto | when you dodge, it needs to be able to turn to hit you |
| 22:40:22 | raptor | hmmm |
| 22:40:59 | raptor | i guess i'm thinking that *if* you dodge, the 180 degree targeting radius practically guarantees it won't come back to get you |
| 23:02:23 | raptor | all right heading home |
| 23:02:26 | raptor | good night! |
| 23:07:24 | raptor | aww man - a new audio codec came out and it's supposed to be better than speex |
| 23:07:26 | raptor | opus |
| 23:08:02 | sam686 | We could always switch codecs for our client-server in a new client-server version |
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| 23:29:36 | Watusimoto | i hate voice chat! |