#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-09-20

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00:09:42 BFLogBot - Commit 974a0c87044b | Author: sam8641 | Log: ScreenShooter: Don't swap, instead read from our hidden back buffer.
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00:21:22 raptor hi sam686
00:21:27 raptor great screenshooter change!
00:21:37 raptor i was trying to figure out how to do that..
00:22:57 sam686 there is one problem, if your window is smaller then 800 x 600, screenshot becomes cropped and grey..
00:23:35 sam686 like,  this one : http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/screenshot_53.png
00:23:38 raptor , you're right
00:24:41 raptor i have to go in 5 min.  but i'll be back in a  couple hours to work on bugs
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01:47:58 Little_Apple yo marb
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01:49:37 Little_Apple helloo
01:50:26 raptor i'm not here - be back in a bit
01:50:31 Little_Apple but ubt
01:50:33 Little_Apple buuuuut
01:50:37 Little_Apple butbut
01:50:41 Little_Apple buuuuut buuuuuuuuuut
01:50:49 Little_Apple marble neeeds haaaaalp
02:03:43 raptor hi
02:03:44 raptor i'm back
02:03:49 raptor but maybe only temporarily
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02:06:52 raptor mosquitos are everywhere!
02:06:58 raptor hi Little_Apple
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02:16:41 Little_Apple oh..
02:16:49 Little_Apple curse me and my idleness.
02:17:04 Little_Apple raptor
02:17:09 Little_Apple im trying to get him back here..
02:17:29 raptor hi
02:17:43 Little_Apple one second
02:18:05 Little_Apple he needs some help starting out with the lua LÖVE engine
02:18:39 raptor i have no experience with that...
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02:19:09 Little_Apple could you help him start out with a game in general?
02:19:14 Little_Apple helloo
02:19:25 mbmarble2 LA wanted me to ask you about the LÖVE engine
02:19:33 mbmarble2 he wants me to make a game
02:19:42 raptor hi
02:19:43 Little_Apple i thought you said you wanted too...
02:19:51 raptor well, honestly
02:19:54 Little_Apple brb need to turn on some lights..
02:19:57 BFLogBot - Commit 3c47f4ead696 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Clean up the new screenshooting code a bit.  Also don't try to resize the opengl viewport if the window is smaller than the default canvas (800x600), just screenshot at the smaller size instead
02:19:57 raptor the best place to start is here:  https://love2d.org/wiki/Getting_Started
02:20:02 Little_Apple lol
02:21:11 raptor making a game is usually just as much reading as coding, unfortunately...
02:21:16 raptor :)
02:21:32 Little_Apple lolz
02:21:32 mbmarble2 I know, my main problem is I can't even get it started but I didn't try very hard. I told LA I don't think I know enough coding to do it
02:21:54 raptor ah
02:22:11 mbmarble2 I don't really know much, LA thinks I know everything because I'm taking a C++ class : P
02:22:17 raptor haha
02:22:35 mbmarble2 I'M DOING CONSOLE APPS :P
02:22:45 raptor great!
02:22:57 Little_Apple YOU DO KNOW EVERYTHING
02:22:59 raptor well, one of the best ways to learn programming is to make a game:  game programming makes you learn everything
02:23:20 mbmarble2 I know, but every 2d engine I try I can never figure anything out to get started
02:23:41 raptor LOVE looks pretty simple - if you can get set up
02:23:52 mbmarble2 that's my problem
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02:24:20 mbmarble2 I'll have to take another look at it idk
02:24:42 raptor have you read this yet?:  https://love2d.org/wiki/Getting_Started
02:25:07 raptor I'm on Linux so set-up is the most difficult
02:25:43 mbmarble2 ya I tried it
02:26:03 mbmarble2 I don't understand what to do even w/ that, I'm so dumb and I'm on a mac so
02:26:16 raptor ahh..   a mac
02:26:16 mbmarble2 I'll take another look at it though
02:26:25 Little_Apple :P
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02:26:48 mbmarble2 Maybe LA can push me enough to where I figure it out
02:26:52 Little_Apple d:
02:26:58 raptor ha
02:27:02 Little_Apple HELP PUSH AARON
02:27:07 raptor sam686: want to test the new seeker graphics?
02:28:31 sam686 int main(int argc, **argv) {printf("hello"); return; }   // comments goes here
02:28:37 sam686 so there is a start...
02:28:52 raptor ha
02:29:13 sam686 oh,    "return 0;"   needed  instead of "return;
02:29:28 Little_Apple aaron
02:29:42 mbmarble2 wat?
02:29:46 sam686 will look at heat seeker graphics..
02:30:31 Little_Apple if you make a game you can put it on steam and make billions of dollars and be set for life.
02:30:40 Little_Apple FACT
02:31:26 raptor yeah, but so is winning the lottery
02:32:31 mbmarble2 do but they don't just let any game on steam do they?
02:33:04 mbmarble2 cause otherwise every game would be on there
02:33:30 raptor usually it has to meet some standard
02:33:38 mbmarble2 ya
02:33:41 raptor like professional look
02:33:44 mbmarble2 and my games wouldn't : P
02:34:11 mbmarble2 I just want to make a game cause it would be fun
02:34:17 mbmarble2 idc about money
02:34:32 sam686 another problem with "steam", i don't see any open source games on steam at all (that I know of)
02:34:43 mbmarble2 ya that would be hard
02:35:00 mbmarble2 cause they don't want you cracking stuff
02:35:04 mbmarble2 I guess
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02:42:31 mbmarble2 see this is a stupid question but in the mac app, I can run it, but where is the code file? Cause when I run it, it shows a pig w/ spinning hearts
02:42:40 mbmarble2 but I can't figure out where the code is stored
02:42:42 mbmarble2 lol
02:42:46 mbmarble2 that's how dumb I am
02:42:48 raptor you run it with open love...
02:42:54 raptor ?
02:42:59 mbmarble2 it's an app
02:43:12 mbmarble2 and I can open it
02:43:16 raptor yes, you have to use command line to run your own program
02:43:23 mbmarble2 oh
02:43:51 raptor if it's installed in the /Applications directory, then you'd run a command like this:   open -n -a love "/home/path/to/game"
02:44:07 mbmarble2 oh
02:44:09 raptor ok, i have to go get ice cream...
02:44:19 mbmarble2 gotta love ice cream
02:44:28 raptor it's on that tutoorial page under 'Mac OS X'
02:44:42 mbmarble2 so that's what that was about : P
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03:12:20 raptor ok back
03:24:52 raptor bugs bugs
03:28:56 raptor ok sam686, i added 5 more changes/bugs that watusimoto wants (he and I talked a while before you came on this afternoon..)
03:37:41 raptor i'm working on the BBB badge display..
04:20:40 sam686 next problem, how to display 20 badges if a player happen to have that many>
04:20:49 raptor oh yeah...
04:23:00 raptor ok only BBB badge is shown now..
04:25:09 BFLogBot - Commit 1efb50d17fec | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Only the highest earned BBB badge will be show on the scoreboard
05:00:42 raptor ok heading to bed
05:00:44 raptor night!
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06:54:28 KeteK Hello All, im here waiting someone to play. im from Palma de Mallorca, Spain
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07:18:53 KeteK hello kodaws!
07:19:09 kodaws g'day KeteK
07:22:23 KeteK good day!
07:22:30 KeteK im from spain
07:22:33 KeteK and u?
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07:29:53 KeteK hello watusimoto
07:47:39 KeteK hi!
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08:47:38 KeteK hello
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15:15:48 raptor hi
15:17:34 watusimoto hi
15:18:41 raptor quick response
15:18:44 raptor to my e-mail
15:23:47 watusimoto I happened to be reading it when it came in
15:24:18 raptor i wrote down 5 of the bugs we mentioned on the running list
15:24:33 watusimoto ok, great.  I was going to do that, but you saved me the trouble!
15:24:45 watusimoto I have another sheet I made during the BBB
15:24:52 watusimoto which I just found this morning
15:25:03 watusimoto my third sheet is totally done
15:27:44 raptor thrid sheet?
15:27:48 raptor *third
15:27:52 watusimoto :-)
15:27:54 raptor many bugs i do not know about?
15:28:00 watusimoto mostly lua stuff
15:28:13 watusimoto verify that the docs were correct, missing fns, etc.
15:28:54 raptor i should test that trigger level..
15:29:02 watusimoto not yet
15:29:06 raptor no?
15:29:08 raptor ok
15:29:13 watusimoto it will work, yes
15:29:28 watusimoto but I want to change (again) the way sub and unsub are called
15:29:31 watusimoto I really don
15:29:38 watusimoto 't want levelgen or bot in the call
15:29:42 watusimoto it seems so redundant
15:30:15 watusimoto I do know one way to fix it, which is to essentially revert it to a way it worked in the past
15:30:34 raptor ok
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15:58:05 raptor my physics teach just showed us this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct77RPlXQf8
15:58:10 raptor *teacher
15:59:48 raptor we're now determing a rough estimate of the force acting on the guy
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16:02:08 raptor looks like the force is great enough to pancake him on the way up...
16:04:09 watusimoto looks suspiciously staged...  why would a crane be dropping a weight without seeing the dude... and how would he know where to set up his board?
16:04:21 raptor :)
16:12:49 raptor we calculated 17000N
16:13:00 raptor so he'd have to be able to squat about 3000lbs
16:16:57 watusimoto what was his acceleration?
16:18:01 raptor we calculated 240m/s^2
16:18:15 raptor over 1/4 second
16:18:22 raptor with a mass of roughly 70 kg
16:18:43 raptor (lots of estimated values...)
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20:03:03 raptor ok, back
20:13:27 raptor !bug
20:13:27 BFLogBot To enter a bug, please make sure it is reproducible and then go to http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/list | Also, see current running bug list: http://bitfighter.org/wiki/index.php/Running_Bug_List
20:22:28 raptor fixed another
20:25:19 Watusimoto I just fixed up the rather unused geometry library, (it had stopped working at some point), and made it more flexible.  I am looking for a simple yet interesting usage example.
20:25:37 raptor which library was that?
20:25:43 Watusimoto Geometry.lua
20:25:47 Watusimoto just checked it in
20:25:59 Watusimoto it can rotate, translate, scale, and flip
20:26:10 Watusimoto works on either individual points or tables of points
20:26:21 Watusimoto so you can do something like
20:26:33 Watusimoto geom = loadout:getGeom()
20:26:59 Watusimoto loadout:setGeom(Geom.rotate(geom, 45))
20:27:06 Watusimoto to rotate a loadout zone 45 deg
20:27:16 raptor interesting
20:27:21 BFLogBot - Commit f764b376f32d | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Rewrite geometry library to work with our new point structs.  Now also works with individual points as well as tables of points, making them appropriate for modifying the geometry of any game object.
20:27:22 Watusimoto or hell, one line
20:27:23 BFLogBot - Commit 9645123d551d | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: Destroyed panels show the Core team color now
20:27:28 BFLogBot - Commit 35d1c5651239 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Update docs a little
20:27:29 BFLogBot - Commit a79f3220cfba | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Merge
20:27:35 raptor i didn't actually know that existed...
20:27:39 raptor or payed attention..
20:27:40 Watusimoto loadout:setGeom(Geom.rotate(loadout:getGeom(), 45))
20:27:42 raptor paid
20:27:46 Watusimoto no one did
20:27:50 Watusimoto it was never documented
20:27:54 Watusimoto but it is now!
20:28:18 Watusimoto there was never much need if all you could do was generate level lines
20:29:11 Watusimoto also works on points, so you can move a repair item (r) over 100 like this:
20:29:28 Watusimoto r:setGeom(Geom.translate(r:getGeom(), 100, 0))
20:29:50 raptor cool
20:30:13 Watusimoto maybe it would be even cooler to have the fns take anything that has a getGeom() fn, so you could do:
20:30:22 raptor that'd be good at changing destinations fo teleports in-level
20:30:42 Watusimoto r:setGeom(Geom.translate(r, 100, 0))
20:30:50 Watusimoto er... not much better
20:31:16 Watusimoto r.translate(100,0)
20:31:20 Watusimoto now that is easy
20:31:45 Watusimoto but can't share code, as that would likely be written in C++, and the Geom lib is all lua
20:36:22 Watusimoto maybe could do Geom.translate(r, 100, 0)
20:36:34 Watusimoto and translate would do the getGeom and setGeom calls
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20:46:50 raptor another one bites the dust
20:47:33 BFLogBot - Commit cb3f5272d918 | Author: buckyballreaction | Log: When engineering a teleporter, render the outline on the commander's map
20:48:02 raptor ok, have to focus on something - i'll be back later..
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22:38:02 Watusimoto Not fascinating code, but http://pastie.org/4763135 shows a series of transofmrations; first of a polygonal shape, then, using the same code, of a single point.  The result is a bunch of arrow shaped loadout zones, with repair items at their tips.  This is highly unartful code, but seems kind of neat.
22:39:51 Watusimoto maybe you could use this concept to create grouped objects that can be manipulated jointly, wherein the objects always keep the same relationsup to one another
22:39:52 raptor i can't actually run that?
22:40:18 Watusimoto sorry -- put everything but the functions in main()
22:41:45 raptor lots of problems...  undeclared vars everywhere
22:41:53 raptor oh well, i'll take your word for it...
22:43:42 Watusimoto :-)
22:56:30 raptor today marks the 10 year anniversary airing of the first episode of 'firefly'
23:02:43 raptor just a random  fact - a friend let me know recently...
23:02:57 Watusimoto fantastic.  never saw it.  never cared.
23:03:20 Watusimoto btw, idea for sensor -- what about objective arrows pointing to other players?
23:03:40 raptor like floating around the ship?
23:03:57 Watusimoto around the edge of the screen
23:04:08 Watusimoto like you get now with pointers to ball in soccer and such
23:04:24 raptor hmmm...  might be neat
23:04:35 Watusimoto maybe something a little different, subtle, but perhaps helpful when trying to find other players
23:04:37 raptor i think they should be slightly different than the objective arrows
23:04:46 Watusimoto I was thinking little +s or something
23:04:47 raptor would they say the names underneath?
23:04:57 Watusimoto maybe -- hadn't thought of that
23:05:13 Watusimoto colored by team, of course
23:05:27 raptor so for both teams?
23:05:34 raptor i mean, any player on the map?
23:05:36 Watusimoto oh, though one drawback is client doesn;t have location of out-of-scope players
23:05:44 Watusimoto so it would require sending more info
23:05:47 raptor unless it's teammates
23:05:54 Watusimoto but yes, any player on the map
23:05:58 raptor teammates only might be ok
23:06:05 Watusimoto not so useful
23:06:34 raptor true
23:06:48 raptor i think we should keep current sensor modification and see how they play..
23:06:52 Watusimoto ok
23:07:04 raptor we could add this for a future version if sensor isn't already too powerful..
23:07:42 Watusimoto agreed
23:07:52 BFLogBot - Commit 8c96d041455e | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Tell setGeom to allow a single point to be passed
23:07:53 BFLogBot - Commit 2e1b9e5b9db2 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Implement getGeom function for all BfObjects
23:07:55 BFLogBot - Commit 0220135b088f | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: How'd this guy sneak back in???
23:07:56 BFLogBot - Commit 4f20987fa61f | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Minor aesthetic improvement to define keys screen
23:07:58 BFLogBot - Commit d87bf2fca3e5 | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Merge
23:16:52 Watusimoto should seekers be shootable?
23:17:10 raptor you mean destroyable by bullets?
23:17:16 raptor another seeker will kill it
23:17:22 Watusimoto yes
23:17:30 Watusimoto they're really hard to hit
23:17:52 raptor maybe, now that I reduced their radius...
23:18:09 raptor sam and I toyed with it when we were first engineering them and it was too each to shoot them down
23:18:13 raptor *easy
23:18:23 raptor also bursts will kill them
23:18:25 raptor and mines
23:18:48 Watusimoto they're really hard to hit now
23:19:31 Watusimoto ok, bed time
23:19:46 raptor wow, you're right
23:19:51 Watusimoto I got 3 crashes in a row with seekers...
23:19:56 Watusimoto will look at that tomorrow
23:20:02 Watusimoto no debug info
23:20:13 raptor if you can drum up duplicatable steps on the running list, i can look tonight
23:20:19 Watusimoto I can't
23:20:22 raptor ok
23:20:33 Watusimoto it was something in renderVertexArray
23:20:38 Watusimoto but I have no further context
23:20:46 Watusimoto seems to be seeker related
23:20:54 Watusimoto but not eveen sure of that
23:21:06 Watusimoto and only started after I made a change I'm about to check in
23:21:13 Watusimoto but then I wasn;t playing with seekers before that
23:21:15 Watusimoto so who knows
23:21:22 raptor ok
23:21:27 Watusimoto and it seems very unlikely
23:21:36 Watusimoto anyhow... until tomorrow
23:21:45 raptor sam and I have thoroughly tested them and seem crashproof
23:21:55 raptor ok, good night!
23:28:04 BFLogBot - Commit bce1b74f850d | Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org | Log: Seekers seek shooter -- may be very hard to trigger in practice
23:28:37 raptor wait...  really?
23:28:58 raptor that's easy in practice...  just bounce the seeker back
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00:09:42		BFLogBot - Commit 974a0c87044b \| Author: sam8641 \| Log: ScreenShooter: Don't swap, instead read from our hidden back buffer.
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00:21:22	raptor	hi sam686
00:21:27	raptor	great screenshooter change!
00:21:37	raptor	i was trying to figure out how to do that..
00:22:57	sam686	there is one problem, if your window is smaller then 800 x 600, screenshot becomes cropped and grey..
00:23:35	sam686	like, this one : http://sam686.maxhushahn.com/upload/screenshot_53.png
00:23:38	raptor	, you're right
00:24:41	raptor	i have to go in 5 min. but i'll be back in a couple hours to work on bugs
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01:47:58	Little_Apple	yo marb
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01:49:37	Little_Apple	helloo
01:50:26	raptor	i'm not here - be back in a bit
01:50:31	Little_Apple	but ubt
01:50:33	Little_Apple	buuuuut
01:50:37	Little_Apple	butbut
01:50:41	Little_Apple	buuuuut buuuuuuuuuut
01:50:49	Little_Apple	marble neeeds haaaaalp
02:03:43	raptor	hi
02:03:44	raptor	i'm back
02:03:49	raptor	but maybe only temporarily
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02:06:52	raptor	mosquitos are everywhere!
02:06:58	raptor	hi Little_Apple
02:07:02	raptor	mbmarble2 left
02:16:41	Little_Apple	oh..
02:16:49	Little_Apple	curse me and my idleness.
02:17:04	Little_Apple	raptor
02:17:09	Little_Apple	im trying to get him back here..
02:17:29	raptor	hi
02:17:43	Little_Apple	one second
02:18:05	Little_Apple	he needs some help starting out with the lua LÖVE engine
02:18:39	raptor	i have no experience with that...
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02:19:09	Little_Apple	could you help him start out with a game in general?
02:19:14	Little_Apple	helloo
02:19:25	mbmarble2	LA wanted me to ask you about the LÖVE engine
02:19:33	mbmarble2	he wants me to make a game
02:19:42	raptor	hi
02:19:43	Little_Apple	i thought you said you wanted too...
02:19:51	raptor	well, honestly
02:19:54	Little_Apple	brb need to turn on some lights..
02:19:57		BFLogBot - Commit 3c47f4ead696 \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Log: Clean up the new screenshooting code a bit. Also don't try to resize the opengl viewport if the window is smaller than the default canvas (800x600), just screenshot at the smaller size instead
02:19:57	raptor	the best place to start is here: https://love2d.org/wiki/Getting_Started
02:20:02	Little_Apple	lol
02:21:11	raptor	making a game is usually just as much reading as coding, unfortunately...
02:21:16	raptor	:)
02:21:32	Little_Apple	lolz
02:21:32	mbmarble2	I know, my main problem is I can't even get it started but I didn't try very hard. I told LA I don't think I know enough coding to do it
02:21:54	raptor	ah
02:22:11	mbmarble2	I don't really know much, LA thinks I know everything because I'm taking a C++ class : P
02:22:17	raptor	haha
02:22:35	mbmarble2	I'M DOING CONSOLE APPS :P
02:22:45	raptor	great!
02:22:57	Little_Apple	YOU DO KNOW EVERYTHING
02:22:59	raptor	well, one of the best ways to learn programming is to make a game: game programming makes you learn everything
02:23:20	mbmarble2	I know, but every 2d engine I try I can never figure anything out to get started
02:23:41	raptor	LOVE looks pretty simple - if you can get set up
02:23:52	mbmarble2	that's my problem
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02:24:20	mbmarble2	I'll have to take another look at it idk
02:24:42	raptor	have you read this yet?: https://love2d.org/wiki/Getting_Started
02:25:07	raptor	I'm on Linux so set-up is the most difficult
02:25:43	mbmarble2	ya I tried it
02:26:03	mbmarble2	I don't understand what to do even w/ that, I'm so dumb and I'm on a mac so
02:26:16	raptor	ahh.. a mac
02:26:16	mbmarble2	I'll take another look at it though
02:26:25	Little_Apple	:P
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02:26:48	mbmarble2	Maybe LA can push me enough to where I figure it out
02:26:52	Little_Apple	d:
02:26:58	raptor	ha
02:27:02	Little_Apple	HELP PUSH AARON
02:27:07	raptor	sam686: want to test the new seeker graphics?
02:28:31	sam686	int main(int argc, **argv) {printf("hello"); return; } // comments goes here
02:28:37	sam686	so there is a start...
02:28:52	raptor	ha
02:29:13	sam686	oh, "return 0;" needed instead of "return;
02:29:28	Little_Apple	aaron
02:29:42	mbmarble2	wat?
02:29:46	sam686	will look at heat seeker graphics..
02:30:31	Little_Apple	if you make a game you can put it on steam and make billions of dollars and be set for life.
02:30:40	Little_Apple	FACT
02:31:26	raptor	yeah, but so is winning the lottery
02:32:31	mbmarble2	do but they don't just let any game on steam do they?
02:33:04	mbmarble2	cause otherwise every game would be on there
02:33:30	raptor	usually it has to meet some standard
02:33:38	mbmarble2	ya
02:33:41	raptor	like professional look
02:33:44	mbmarble2	and my games wouldn't : P
02:34:11	mbmarble2	I just want to make a game cause it would be fun
02:34:17	mbmarble2	idc about money
02:34:32	sam686	another problem with "steam", i don't see any open source games on steam at all (that I know of)
02:34:43	mbmarble2	ya that would be hard
02:35:00	mbmarble2	cause they don't want you cracking stuff
02:35:04	mbmarble2	I guess
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02:42:31	mbmarble2	see this is a stupid question but in the mac app, I can run it, but where is the code file? Cause when I run it, it shows a pig w/ spinning hearts
02:42:40	mbmarble2	but I can't figure out where the code is stored
02:42:42	mbmarble2	lol
02:42:46	mbmarble2	that's how dumb I am
02:42:48	raptor	you run it with open love...
02:42:54	raptor	?
02:42:59	mbmarble2	it's an app
02:43:12	mbmarble2	and I can open it
02:43:16	raptor	yes, you have to use command line to run your own program
02:43:23	mbmarble2	oh
02:43:51	raptor	if it's installed in the /Applications directory, then you'd run a command like this: open -n -a love "/home/path/to/game"
02:44:07	mbmarble2	oh
02:44:09	raptor	ok, i have to go get ice cream...
02:44:19	mbmarble2	gotta love ice cream
02:44:28	raptor	it's on that tutoorial page under 'Mac OS X'
02:44:42	mbmarble2	so that's what that was about : P
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03:12:20	raptor	ok back
03:24:52	raptor	bugs bugs
03:28:56	raptor	ok sam686, i added 5 more changes/bugs that watusimoto wants (he and I talked a while before you came on this afternoon..)
03:37:41	raptor	i'm working on the BBB badge display..
04:20:40	sam686	next problem, how to display 20 badges if a player happen to have that many>
04:20:49	raptor	oh yeah...
04:23:00	raptor	ok only BBB badge is shown now..
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05:00:42	raptor	ok heading to bed
05:00:44	raptor	night!
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06:54:28	KeteK	Hello All, im here waiting someone to play. im from Palma de Mallorca, Spain
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07:18:53	KeteK	hello kodaws!
07:19:09	kodaws	g'day KeteK
07:22:23	KeteK	good day!
07:22:30	KeteK	im from spain
07:22:33	KeteK	and u?
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07:29:53	KeteK	hello watusimoto
07:47:39	KeteK	hi!
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08:47:38	KeteK	hello
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15:15:48	raptor	hi
15:17:34	watusimoto	hi
15:18:41	raptor	quick response
15:18:44	raptor	to my e-mail
15:23:47	watusimoto	I happened to be reading it when it came in
15:24:18	raptor	i wrote down 5 of the bugs we mentioned on the running list
15:24:33	watusimoto	ok, great. I was going to do that, but you saved me the trouble!
15:24:45	watusimoto	I have another sheet I made during the BBB
15:24:52	watusimoto	which I just found this morning
15:25:03	watusimoto	my third sheet is totally done
15:27:44	raptor	thrid sheet?
15:27:48	raptor	*third
15:27:52	watusimoto	:-)
15:27:54	raptor	many bugs i do not know about?
15:28:00	watusimoto	mostly lua stuff
15:28:13	watusimoto	verify that the docs were correct, missing fns, etc.
15:28:54	raptor	i should test that trigger level..
15:29:02	watusimoto	not yet
15:29:06	raptor	no?
15:29:08	raptor	ok
15:29:13	watusimoto	it will work, yes
15:29:28	watusimoto	but I want to change (again) the way sub and unsub are called
15:29:31	watusimoto	I really don
15:29:38	watusimoto	't want levelgen or bot in the call
15:29:42	watusimoto	it seems so redundant
15:30:15	watusimoto	I do know one way to fix it, which is to essentially revert it to a way it worked in the past
15:30:34	raptor	ok
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15:58:05	raptor	my physics teach just showed us this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct77RPlXQf8
15:58:10	raptor	*teacher
15:59:48	raptor	we're now determing a rough estimate of the force acting on the guy
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16:02:08	raptor	looks like the force is great enough to pancake him on the way up...
16:04:09	watusimoto	looks suspiciously staged... why would a crane be dropping a weight without seeing the dude... and how would he know where to set up his board?
16:04:21	raptor	:)
16:12:49	raptor	we calculated 17000N
16:13:00	raptor	so he'd have to be able to squat about 3000lbs
16:16:57	watusimoto	what was his acceleration?
16:18:01	raptor	we calculated 240m/s^2
16:18:15	raptor	over 1/4 second
16:18:22	raptor	with a mass of roughly 70 kg
16:18:43	raptor	(lots of estimated values...)
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20:03:03	raptor	ok, back
20:13:27	raptor	!bug
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20:22:28	raptor	fixed another
20:25:19	Watusimoto	I just fixed up the rather unused geometry library, (it had stopped working at some point), and made it more flexible. I am looking for a simple yet interesting usage example.
20:25:37	raptor	which library was that?
20:25:43	Watusimoto	Geometry.lua
20:25:47	Watusimoto	just checked it in
20:25:59	Watusimoto	it can rotate, translate, scale, and flip
20:26:10	Watusimoto	works on either individual points or tables of points
20:26:21	Watusimoto	so you can do something like
20:26:33	Watusimoto	geom = loadout:getGeom()
20:26:59	Watusimoto	loadout:setGeom(Geom.rotate(geom, 45))
20:27:06	Watusimoto	to rotate a loadout zone 45 deg
20:27:16	raptor	interesting
20:27:21		BFLogBot - Commit f764b376f32d \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Rewrite geometry library to work with our new point structs. Now also works with individual points as well as tables of points, making them appropriate for modifying the geometry of any game object.
20:27:22	Watusimoto	or hell, one line
20:27:23		BFLogBot - Commit 9645123d551d \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Log: Destroyed panels show the Core team color now
20:27:28		BFLogBot - Commit 35d1c5651239 \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Update docs a little
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20:27:35	raptor	i didn't actually know that existed...
20:27:39	raptor	or payed attention..
20:27:40	Watusimoto	loadout:setGeom(Geom.rotate(loadout:getGeom(), 45))
20:27:42	raptor	paid
20:27:46	Watusimoto	no one did
20:27:50	Watusimoto	it was never documented
20:27:54	Watusimoto	but it is now!
20:28:18	Watusimoto	there was never much need if all you could do was generate level lines
20:29:11	Watusimoto	also works on points, so you can move a repair item (r) over 100 like this:
20:29:28	Watusimoto	r:setGeom(Geom.translate(r:getGeom(), 100, 0))
20:29:50	raptor	cool
20:30:13	Watusimoto	maybe it would be even cooler to have the fns take anything that has a getGeom() fn, so you could do:
20:30:22	raptor	that'd be good at changing destinations fo teleports in-level
20:30:42	Watusimoto	r:setGeom(Geom.translate(r, 100, 0))
20:30:50	Watusimoto	er... not much better
20:31:16	Watusimoto	r.translate(100,0)
20:31:20	Watusimoto	now that is easy
20:31:45	Watusimoto	but can't share code, as that would likely be written in C++, and the Geom lib is all lua
20:36:22	Watusimoto	maybe could do Geom.translate(r, 100, 0)
20:36:34	Watusimoto	and translate would do the getGeom and setGeom calls
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20:46:50	raptor	another one bites the dust
20:47:33		BFLogBot - Commit cb3f5272d918 \| Author: buckyballreaction \| Log: When engineering a teleporter, render the outline on the commander's map
20:48:02	raptor	ok, have to focus on something - i'll be back later..
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22:38:02	Watusimoto	Not fascinating code, but http://pastie.org/4763135 shows a series of transofmrations; first of a polygonal shape, then, using the same code, of a single point. The result is a bunch of arrow shaped loadout zones, with repair items at their tips. This is highly unartful code, but seems kind of neat.
22:39:51	Watusimoto	maybe you could use this concept to create grouped objects that can be manipulated jointly, wherein the objects always keep the same relationsup to one another
22:39:52	raptor	i can't actually run that?
22:40:18	Watusimoto	sorry -- put everything but the functions in main()
22:41:45	raptor	lots of problems... undeclared vars everywhere
22:41:53	raptor	oh well, i'll take your word for it...
22:43:42	Watusimoto	:-)
22:56:30	raptor	today marks the 10 year anniversary airing of the first episode of 'firefly'
23:02:43	raptor	just a random fact - a friend let me know recently...
23:02:57	Watusimoto	fantastic. never saw it. never cared.
23:03:20	Watusimoto	btw, idea for sensor -- what about objective arrows pointing to other players?
23:03:40	raptor	like floating around the ship?
23:03:57	Watusimoto	around the edge of the screen
23:04:08	Watusimoto	like you get now with pointers to ball in soccer and such
23:04:24	raptor	hmmm... might be neat
23:04:35	Watusimoto	maybe something a little different, subtle, but perhaps helpful when trying to find other players
23:04:37	raptor	i think they should be slightly different than the objective arrows
23:04:46	Watusimoto	I was thinking little +s or something
23:04:47	raptor	would they say the names underneath?
23:04:57	Watusimoto	maybe -- hadn't thought of that
23:05:13	Watusimoto	colored by team, of course
23:05:27	raptor	so for both teams?
23:05:34	raptor	i mean, any player on the map?
23:05:36	Watusimoto	oh, though one drawback is client doesn;t have location of out-of-scope players
23:05:44	Watusimoto	so it would require sending more info
23:05:47	raptor	unless it's teammates
23:05:54	Watusimoto	but yes, any player on the map
23:05:58	raptor	teammates only might be ok
23:06:05	Watusimoto	not so useful
23:06:34	raptor	true
23:06:48	raptor	i think we should keep current sensor modification and see how they play..
23:06:52	Watusimoto	ok
23:07:04	raptor	we could add this for a future version if sensor isn't already too powerful..
23:07:42	Watusimoto	agreed
23:07:52		BFLogBot - Commit 8c96d041455e \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Tell setGeom to allow a single point to be passed
23:07:53		BFLogBot - Commit 2e1b9e5b9db2 \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Implement getGeom function for all BfObjects
23:07:55		BFLogBot - Commit 0220135b088f \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: How'd this guy sneak back in???
23:07:56		BFLogBot - Commit 4f20987fa61f \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Minor aesthetic improvement to define keys screen
23:07:58		BFLogBot - Commit d87bf2fca3e5 \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Merge
23:16:52	Watusimoto	should seekers be shootable?
23:17:10	raptor	you mean destroyable by bullets?
23:17:16	raptor	another seeker will kill it
23:17:22	Watusimoto	yes
23:17:30	Watusimoto	they're really hard to hit
23:17:52	raptor	maybe, now that I reduced their radius...
23:18:09	raptor	sam and I toyed with it when we were first engineering them and it was too each to shoot them down
23:18:13	raptor	*easy
23:18:23	raptor	also bursts will kill them
23:18:25	raptor	and mines
23:18:48	Watusimoto	they're really hard to hit now
23:19:31	Watusimoto	ok, bed time
23:19:46	raptor	wow, you're right
23:19:51	Watusimoto	I got 3 crashes in a row with seekers...
23:19:56	Watusimoto	will look at that tomorrow
23:20:02	Watusimoto	no debug info
23:20:13	raptor	if you can drum up duplicatable steps on the running list, i can look tonight
23:20:19	Watusimoto	I can't
23:20:22	raptor	ok
23:20:33	Watusimoto	it was something in renderVertexArray
23:20:38	Watusimoto	but I have no further context
23:20:46	Watusimoto	seems to be seeker related
23:20:54	Watusimoto	but not eveen sure of that
23:21:06	Watusimoto	and only started after I made a change I'm about to check in
23:21:13	Watusimoto	but then I wasn;t playing with seekers before that
23:21:15	Watusimoto	so who knows
23:21:22	raptor	ok
23:21:27	Watusimoto	and it seems very unlikely
23:21:36	Watusimoto	anyhow... until tomorrow
23:21:45	raptor	sam and I have thoroughly tested them and seem crashproof
23:21:55	raptor	ok, good night!
23:28:04		BFLogBot - Commit bce1b74f850d \| Author: watusim...@bitfighter.org \| Log: Seekers seek shooter -- may be very hard to trigger in practice
23:28:37	raptor	wait... really?
23:28:58	raptor	that's easy in practice... just bounce the seeker back
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