#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-10-04

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00:10:30 Watusimoto just fell asleep.  going to bed.  good night
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00:19:56 amginea123456 hi sam i want to tell you somthing but ide rather show you
00:20:14 sam686 ok
00:45:13 amginea123456 sam are you still there?
00:45:33 amginea123456 join
00:45:56 sam686 ok
00:47:44 sam686 www.google.com/search?q=what+is+my+ip   that will tell your public IP address...
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03:00:30 Fordcars hey
03:00:33 raptor ih
03:00:46 Fordcars I was trying to speak spanish lol
03:01:00 raptor hola, como estas
03:01:03 Fordcars there was a dude playing from uruguay
03:01:11 raptor there's an accent in there somewhere...
03:01:20 Fordcars como I think
03:01:29 raptor and on the last 'a' in estas
03:01:43 Fordcars i have bean learning spanish for only a month at school
03:01:48 raptor great!
03:01:59 Fordcars I'm quite bad :)
03:02:34 Fordcars but I managed to talk to him, ask him where he was from and tried to explain how to change weapons and modules
03:02:49 raptor if you really want to learn, this is the best book i've found:  http://www.amazon.com/Spanish-Verbs-Easy-Learn-Alphabetically/dp/0812092821
03:02:56 raptor spanish is all about the verbs
03:03:01 Fordcars by taking french words and adding os, es, as and stuff
03:03:06 raptor heh
03:03:21 Fordcars do you know spanish?
03:03:26 raptor yes
03:03:30 Fordcars really?
03:03:33 raptor yes
03:03:37 raptor but i'm out of practice
03:03:45 Fordcars are you bilingual
03:03:49 raptor i was, yes
03:04:15 Fordcars wow how come? was it at school or just for fun or do you have some spanish roots
03:04:25 raptor no spanish roots
03:04:32 Fordcars sounth america
03:04:39 raptor or latin
03:04:47 raptor i learned several years in high school
03:04:54 Fordcars ah
03:05:12 raptor i also spoke it frequently with people for a couple years when i lived in southern california
03:05:13 Fordcars I will learn it for 4 years I think
03:05:20 Fordcars ah
03:05:23 raptor are you good at math?
03:05:28 Fordcars why
03:05:30 Fordcars yes
03:05:38 raptor because to me, spanish was a giant math equation
03:05:42 Fordcars 1+1=2
03:05:46 raptor exactly
03:05:49 Fordcars ah
03:05:56 Fordcars euh
03:06:23 raptor the grammar rules in spanish are like that - very set rules.  once you learn them, it's easy to be able to spell any word you hear
03:06:33 Fordcars really
03:06:35 raptor yep
03:06:53 raptor the hard part for me was actually speaking and hearing from people
03:07:01 Fordcars there are 2 to be verbs right?
03:07:05 raptor i was excellent at reading and writing
03:07:12 raptor yes, ser and estar
03:07:33 raptor but speaking and hearing was a little more difficult - so many different variations of native speakers
03:08:04 raptor the clearest speakers, i thought, came from bolivia, peru, and sometimes ecuador
03:08:05 Fordcars hmmmm,,,, rolling Rs, the famous V, the Z , the Cs
03:08:09 raptor yep
03:08:17 Fordcars wow you travel?
03:08:19 raptor tongue twisters
03:08:31 raptor no, but i met people from almost every nation in souther cali
03:08:39 Fordcars ah
03:08:57 raptor the chileans speak 1.5 -2 times faster than anyone...
03:09:08 Fordcars wow
03:09:11 raptor the mexicans slur a lot of their words
03:09:38 raptor oh and the fun part:  some verbs that seem normal in one county can be considered vulgar in another
03:09:47 Fordcars colgate
03:10:00 Fordcars Its a vulgar
03:10:05 raptor ha
03:10:08 Fordcars apperently
03:10:30 Fordcars so Colgate tooth paste had a rough time seeling in countries where they speak spanish
03:10:36 raptor the cubans frequently offend offend other people because the verbs they use carry different meanings in other countries
03:11:09 Fordcars haha
03:11:15 raptor yeah that comes from the infinitive 'colgar'
03:11:23 raptor i can't remember which countries dislike that one
03:11:31 Fordcars haha
03:11:45 Fordcars colgar means....
03:11:54 Fordcars or is it to vulgar for IRC
03:12:09 raptor it means 'to hang'
03:12:32 Fordcars oh that righns a bell.
03:12:42 raptor like an object that hangs
03:13:08 Fordcars an object.... oh
03:13:10 raptor some countries would say  'colgar el telefono'  (hang up the phone)
03:13:27 Fordcars yes
03:14:39 Fordcars Hve you ever saw a restaurant called Pollo Loco
03:14:45 raptor ok, well, i have to go for a bit...
03:14:49 Fordcars (crazy chicken)
03:14:51 raptor yes, funny name
03:15:00 Fordcars lol ok me too
03:15:06 Fordcars gtting late here
03:15:11 raptor be back later..
03:15:17 raptor ok bye
03:15:23 Fordcars well I will see ya tomorrow
03:15:30 Fordcars bye!
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03:58:24 amginea123456 hi raptor
03:58:30 raptor hi
04:07:30 amginea123456 ofund some more stuff
04:08:11 amginea123456  its possible to hack the asteroid size though if you go over 5 it becomes invisible inless its shot also its p[ossible to hack the pusher strengh
04:08:36 raptor that's ok
04:08:51 raptor those are client side
04:09:15 raptor when doing any hack, you need to do it and see if it affects other people connected from another machine
04:09:35 raptor but you can't host
04:16:26 amginea123456 how do oyu rename people
04:16:35 amginea123456  who are nameless
04:16:42 raptor an admin can do it with the /rename command
04:16:51 raptor oh, not sure - we have to fix that bug (again)
04:17:08 amginea123456 cause i see a namless person right now
04:17:16 amginea123456  should i ban them?
04:17:39 raptor your choice
04:17:50 raptor but it doesn't do any hame
04:17:52 raptor *harm
04:18:09 raptor being nameless
04:18:11 sam686 use /rename "" "something" to rename a nameless person?
04:18:19 raptor oh ih sam686
04:18:38 sam686 its a problem when someone joins with only spaces on a user name, with spaces with trimmed..
04:18:42 amginea123456  you cant if you do rename then  tab  to cycle it doesnt work cause pressing space to go the next
04:19:08 amginea123456 cause rename works as /reanme name newname
04:19:30 sam686 I guess TAB doesn't work on "" (nameless) names to auto complete player names..
04:19:39 raptor which is fine
04:19:47 amginea123456  so how do oyu rename them then
04:20:01 raptor you wait until we fix the bug  :)
04:20:06 amginea123456 sam i want to test somthing host a level with asteroids
04:20:34 sam686 fix nameless name (by auto-rename ""), then the TAB problem will be gone..
04:20:45 amginea123456 meet me on sam test
04:21:01 sam686 ok
04:25:40 raptor ok folks, i'm falling asleep - good night!  (found a couple more bugs with editor)
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14:52:39 raptor good day!
15:06:31 raptor now i need to find transcripts of the debates...
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16:07:57 watusimoto don't bother
16:08:43 watusimoto my survey shows near universal agreement (amongst MA liberal types, at least) Romney = 6/10, Obama = 4/10, Moderator = 0/10
16:11:58 raptor that high for romney amongst liberal types?
16:12:09 watusimoto he did reasonably well
16:12:22 watusimoto but it was a terribly boring and uninformative debate all around
16:12:48 watusimoto (at least these liberal types are intellectually honest  !  :-)
16:13:15 raptor that why i like to read the transcripts
16:13:34 watusimoto I think the transcripts will give you a very different view
16:13:55 raptor don't want to be swayed by TV...
16:14:04 raptor JFK wasn't elected for his ideas
16:14:25 watusimoto romney made some statements that I think were simply wrong, giving obama a good opening, and he didn't take it
16:14:44 raptor exactly - that's why i like the transcripts
16:14:58 watusimoto and your conclusion?
16:15:01 raptor words carry more weight than 'presence', ultimately
16:15:13 watusimoto yes and no
16:15:21 watusimoto presence is important in a leader
16:15:27 raptor haven't read them yet
16:15:35 raptor have to wait until after my studies...
16:15:49 watusimoto you won't learn anything you didn't already know
16:16:56 raptor yeah, but you can have all the presence in the world and make poor decisions which affect the longer term
16:18:44 watusimoto I have no idea your political persuasion, but is there anything either could say that would change your mind?
16:19:10 raptor probably not - because i'd rather neither be there....  :)
16:19:27 raptor but i'm still willing to give them a chance
16:19:30 watusimoto I think that's tru for 99% of voters
16:19:50 watusimoto probably true for me as well
16:21:43 raptor that's why i mentioned yesterday about choosing good local leaders, and maybe they'd filter up...
16:22:18 watusimoto maybe, but I doubt it.  doesn't mean choosing good local leaders isn't good in and of itself
16:22:37 watusimoto I think the process requires too many comprimises
16:22:53 raptor yes, me too
16:23:12 raptor the 2-party system is hurting us
16:23:23 watusimoto yup
16:24:08 raptor i feeling like we're bleeding internally
16:24:24 watusimoto what do you mean?
16:25:32 raptor we have problems like any other country, but it seems like we can't really solve them and get much work down with our 2-party system...
16:25:43 raptor *done
16:27:51 watusimoto I agree that at the moment this is true, but it's not the 2 parties that are the problem, it is, in my opinion, the idealogues on the far right that are hindering the ability to solve the real problems.
16:29:29 raptor i actually think the problems have to deal with the abstraction of work
16:29:45 watusimoto what do you mean by that?
16:29:49 raptor the national level is doing too much
16:29:54 watusimoto ah
16:30:11 raptor people in communities need to solve community problems
16:30:34 watusimoto in some cases, yes, but things are so interconnected now that you really need national solutions to many problems
16:30:48 raptor that is true, but i doubt that for things like welfare
16:31:03 raptor maybe needed a little bit for resources to be put around
16:31:18 watusimoto welfare is an interesting case
16:31:41 raptor i don't mean 'welfare' like inthe welfare program
16:31:47 watusimoto I think it serves a necessary function, to keep people from falling into abject poverty;
16:31:51 raptor but in any assistance program
16:31:53 watusimoto right
16:31:55 watusimoto so
16:31:56 raptor yes, me too
16:32:09 raptor but i think so much is lost going up to the top then coming back down
16:32:24 watusimoto if it is handled locally, that's fine if there are some standards to prevent states from cutting it too far
16:32:36 raptor yes
16:33:16 watusimoto because you know that as soon as <pick your favorite state to beat up on> hits hard times, or the governer wants to pursue some pet project, that would be the first thing some would cut
16:33:28 raptor very true
16:33:30 watusimoto it's just free money to idlers and layabouts anyway
16:33:45 watusimoto so there needs to be some framework to prevent that
16:34:03 raptor some are idlers and layabouts
16:34:09 watusimoto of course
16:34:23 raptor i think it needs to go hand in hand with self-determination education
16:34:34 watusimoto that used to bother me, but I decided that having layabouts and idlers is the cost of helping those who truly need it
16:34:41 raptor yep, me too
16:34:48 raptor but they should be  minimized
16:34:57 watusimoto I accept there will be freeloaders, and, well, that's life
16:35:08 watusimoto sure they should
16:35:13 raptor my brother in law's brother is on the WIC program
16:35:17 raptor and it's funny
16:35:25 raptor he's a phd student raising a family
16:35:31 raptor in a practical field
16:35:51 watusimoto but that's all beside the point -- once you start instituting standards and rules on a > local or state level, you get to the national level pretty quickly
16:36:16 raptor and he did the math (and research)
16:36:41 raptor the future tax revenue gained from his children using the milk and eggs, far outweighs the cost of the milk and egs
16:36:43 raptor *eggs
16:36:48 watusimoto ha
16:37:08 watusimoto but alot of this stuff isn't a financial calculation, but a moral one
16:37:24 watusimoto to me its less about the money and more about what kind of society we want
16:37:46 raptor that's the thing (and to bring in the standards)
16:38:04 raptor the standards should get thinner the higher up they go
16:38:32 raptor because we're very connected, but in reality we're lots and lots of little local groups
16:38:33 watusimoto so what do you gain when you give states control over welfare?  As I move from Oregon to Utah, shouldn't the general standards be similar?
16:38:46 raptor sure
16:38:51 raptor 'general' being the keyword
16:39:55 raptor think of it as (for a programming reference) the national level could provide the interface, but the local level the implementation
16:40:09 watusimoto who provides the money?
16:40:16 watusimoto local taxation?
16:41:00 raptor that's a hard question because ideals don't meet human behavior
16:41:08 watusimoto :-)
16:41:46 watusimoto as you get more local on things like tax policy, the easier it is to dodge
16:41:53 raptor yeah, so true
16:42:01 raptor but also there's less waste
16:42:07 watusimoto like those who live just over the border in WA to avoid income tax, but buy everything in OR to avoid sales tax
16:42:15 raptor sorry, not waste - overhead
16:42:22 raptor ha!
16:42:39 watusimoto then you need to go through all this rigamarole to figure out who's actually working where, so you can figure out what tax rate they should pay and to whom
16:42:59 watusimoto so it seems there's more overhead
16:43:08 raptor the homogenous laws clash non-homogenous cultures
16:43:20 watusimoto yes
16:43:37 watusimoto there is a tension there
16:44:08 raptor which i don't know how to solve...
16:44:17 watusimoto well, there is no easy answer
16:44:33 watusimoto unless it's to move to Wendover and stop paying Utah income tax
16:44:42 raptor haha
16:46:07 raptor uh oh, i'm getting kicked out of class (it's over now)
16:46:13 raptor be back later...
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17:39:31 raptor i'm back!
17:39:36 raptor and in THE LIBRARY
17:39:52 raptor oh oops...  i'm supposed to be quiet in here...
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19:58:56 raptor hi again
19:59:19 raptor sorry to leave so abruptly before, i was being displaced by another class..
20:00:49 Watusimoto no worries -- shouldn't be chatting in class :-)
20:01:03 raptor heh
20:03:05 raptor I'm also sorry I'm a bit vague on political issues - I'm reluctant to share much because of 2 reasons:  1. The limits of this communication medium with important topics, and   2.  I haven't had you over for dinner yet  :)
20:38:35 Watusimoto some day
20:43:36 raptor so back to bitfighter:  i can't seem to duplicate the crash on the level selection screen, as per #56 on the list
20:44:20 raptor but maybe i'm doing it wrong.  i hosted a game, pressed ESC, changed to a different level
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21:32:43 Watusimoto I'll try again -- it happened like 3 times in a row.  Try testing a level before hosting.
21:32:55 raptor so like in the editor?
21:34:02 Watusimoto crash
21:34:03 raptor nope, cannot...
21:34:17 raptor i did make header changes recently; full recompile?
21:34:18 Watusimoto host-esc-l-crash
21:34:55 Watusimoto crap.. let me recompile from scratch
21:35:01 Watusimoto maybe that's it
21:35:03 Watusimoto ugh!
21:35:51 raptor i still think vc++'s intelligent-compilation-unit-thingamabob doesn't live up to its name
21:36:19 raptor but it seems to work most fo the time..
21:37:00 Watusimoto well, it saves me tons of time, most of the time
21:46:06 Watusimoto hooray!
21:46:13 Watusimoto after full rebuild
21:46:16 Watusimoto it still crashes!
21:46:22 raptor WHAT
21:46:25 Watusimoto it's not just partial compilateion!
21:46:29 raptor huh
21:46:37 raptor stack trace?
21:54:32 Watusimoto very mysterious
21:59:13 Watusimoto I'm rebuilding again
22:03:07 raptor this time with fingers crossed?
22:07:27 Watusimoto still crashing
22:07:45 Watusimoto const char *LevelInfo::getLevelTypeName()
22:07:45 Watusimoto {
22:07:45 Watusimoto    return GameType::getGameTypeName(mLevelType);
22:07:45 Watusimoto }
22:07:51 Watusimoto on the getGameTypeName
22:08:05 raptor do you have a messed up level files somewhere
22:08:08 raptor ?
22:08:17 raptor like some file that didn't parse upon loading
22:08:21 Watusimoto don't think so... but good thought
22:08:59 raptor grep all the GameType lines
22:15:55 Watusimoto same thing with different level set
22:16:15 raptor do you have code changes since the most recent commit?
22:17:22 Watusimoto I don't think it's a bad level; level type would be hard to screw up and still have the level load
22:17:26 Watusimoto maybe impossible
22:17:38 raptor yeah, i guess that's true
22:17:57 Watusimoto no relevant changes
22:22:02 Watusimoto this is really messed up
22:22:22 raptor where's sam to verify...
23:27:02 raptor purge!
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23:54:17 raptor hi sam686
23:54:27 sam686 hi
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23:54:49 raptor Watusimoto says there is a crashing error in windows, when you host a game and try to change a level
23:54:51 raptor do you get that?
23:55:07 amginea123456  yeah ive had that happen before not sure how though
23:55:13 amginea123456  and hi btw
23:55:30 raptor amginea123456 this is in 018
23:55:41 raptor and hi
23:56:05 amginea123456  what well apperenty its happend in 17 as well but very rarly only happend like once ever
23:56:08 sam686 |_| |
23:56:09 sam686 | | |
23:56:11 amginea123456  to me
23:56:14 Watusimoto amginea -- you tweaked some variable with yuor cheat prog and won the nexus game?
23:56:44 Watusimoto is that right?
23:56:58 amginea123456  yes but only for the rason so you could patch it
23:57:02 raptor FYI for any dislexic people:  here is a free set of fonts to help you read better:  http://dyslexicfonts.com/downloads.php
23:57:15 Watusimoto I'm not unhappy -- just curious what you did
23:57:17 sam686 but, you can't really cheat on very much things... unless you are a host (or it is your server)
23:57:29 amginea123456  i would never  misuse it promise
23:57:44 Watusimoto no problem -- I just want to know what you tweaked
23:57:50 Watusimoto becaue I don;t think it is possible
23:58:04 Watusimoto so maybe I can learn something
23:58:40 sam686 some external cheat engine stuff only can change whats in the memory (and can often crash the game if done wrong)
23:59:07 Watusimoto yes
23:59:38 amginea123456  however there does seem to be 1 or two things you can do like name hack.. luckily whoevers hosting can change it

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00:10:30	Watusimoto	just fell asleep. going to bed. good night
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00:19:56	amginea123456	hi sam i want to tell you somthing but ide rather show you
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00:45:13	amginea123456	sam are you still there?
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00:47:44	sam686	www.google.com/search?q=what+is+my+ip that will tell your public IP address...
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03:00:30	Fordcars	hey
03:00:33	raptor	ih
03:00:46	Fordcars	I was trying to speak spanish lol
03:01:00	raptor	hola, como estas
03:01:03	Fordcars	there was a dude playing from uruguay
03:01:11	raptor	there's an accent in there somewhere...
03:01:20	Fordcars	como I think
03:01:29	raptor	and on the last 'a' in estas
03:01:43	Fordcars	i have bean learning spanish for only a month at school
03:01:48	raptor	great!
03:01:59	Fordcars	I'm quite bad :)
03:02:34	Fordcars	but I managed to talk to him, ask him where he was from and tried to explain how to change weapons and modules
03:02:49	raptor	if you really want to learn, this is the best book i've found: http://www.amazon.com/Spanish-Verbs-Easy-Learn-Alphabetically/dp/0812092821
03:02:56	raptor	spanish is all about the verbs
03:03:01	Fordcars	by taking french words and adding os, es, as and stuff
03:03:06	raptor	heh
03:03:21	Fordcars	do you know spanish?
03:03:26	raptor	yes
03:03:30	Fordcars	really?
03:03:33	raptor	yes
03:03:37	raptor	but i'm out of practice
03:03:45	Fordcars	are you bilingual
03:03:49	raptor	i was, yes
03:04:15	Fordcars	wow how come? was it at school or just for fun or do you have some spanish roots
03:04:25	raptor	no spanish roots
03:04:32	Fordcars	sounth america
03:04:39	raptor	or latin
03:04:47	raptor	i learned several years in high school
03:04:54	Fordcars	ah
03:05:12	raptor	i also spoke it frequently with people for a couple years when i lived in southern california
03:05:13	Fordcars	I will learn it for 4 years I think
03:05:20	Fordcars	ah
03:05:23	raptor	are you good at math?
03:05:28	Fordcars	why
03:05:30	Fordcars	yes
03:05:38	raptor	because to me, spanish was a giant math equation
03:05:42	Fordcars	1+1=2
03:05:46	raptor	exactly
03:05:49	Fordcars	ah
03:05:56	Fordcars	euh
03:06:23	raptor	the grammar rules in spanish are like that - very set rules. once you learn them, it's easy to be able to spell any word you hear
03:06:33	Fordcars	really
03:06:35	raptor	yep
03:06:53	raptor	the hard part for me was actually speaking and hearing from people
03:07:01	Fordcars	there are 2 to be verbs right?
03:07:05	raptor	i was excellent at reading and writing
03:07:12	raptor	yes, ser and estar
03:07:33	raptor	but speaking and hearing was a little more difficult - so many different variations of native speakers
03:08:04	raptor	the clearest speakers, i thought, came from bolivia, peru, and sometimes ecuador
03:08:05	Fordcars	hmmmm,,,, rolling Rs, the famous V, the Z , the Cs
03:08:09	raptor	yep
03:08:17	Fordcars	wow you travel?
03:08:19	raptor	tongue twisters
03:08:31	raptor	no, but i met people from almost every nation in souther cali
03:08:39	Fordcars	ah
03:08:57	raptor	the chileans speak 1.5 -2 times faster than anyone...
03:09:08	Fordcars	wow
03:09:11	raptor	the mexicans slur a lot of their words
03:09:38	raptor	oh and the fun part: some verbs that seem normal in one county can be considered vulgar in another
03:09:47	Fordcars	colgate
03:10:00	Fordcars	Its a vulgar
03:10:05	raptor	ha
03:10:08	Fordcars	apperently
03:10:30	Fordcars	so Colgate tooth paste had a rough time seeling in countries where they speak spanish
03:10:36	raptor	the cubans frequently offend offend other people because the verbs they use carry different meanings in other countries
03:11:09	Fordcars	haha
03:11:15	raptor	yeah that comes from the infinitive 'colgar'
03:11:23	raptor	i can't remember which countries dislike that one
03:11:31	Fordcars	haha
03:11:45	Fordcars	colgar means....
03:11:54	Fordcars	or is it to vulgar for IRC
03:12:09	raptor	it means 'to hang'
03:12:32	Fordcars	oh that righns a bell.
03:12:42	raptor	like an object that hangs
03:13:08	Fordcars	an object.... oh
03:13:10	raptor	some countries would say 'colgar el telefono' (hang up the phone)
03:13:27	Fordcars	yes
03:14:39	Fordcars	Hve you ever saw a restaurant called Pollo Loco
03:14:45	raptor	ok, well, i have to go for a bit...
03:14:49	Fordcars	(crazy chicken)
03:14:51	raptor	yes, funny name
03:15:00	Fordcars	lol ok me too
03:15:06	Fordcars	gtting late here
03:15:11	raptor	be back later..
03:15:17	raptor	ok bye
03:15:23	Fordcars	well I will see ya tomorrow
03:15:30	Fordcars	bye!
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03:58:24	amginea123456	hi raptor
03:58:30	raptor	hi
04:07:30	amginea123456	ofund some more stuff
04:08:11	amginea123456	its possible to hack the asteroid size though if you go over 5 it becomes invisible inless its shot also its p[ossible to hack the pusher strengh
04:08:36	raptor	that's ok
04:08:51	raptor	those are client side
04:09:15	raptor	when doing any hack, you need to do it and see if it affects other people connected from another machine
04:09:35	raptor	but you can't host
04:16:26	amginea123456	how do oyu rename people
04:16:35	amginea123456	who are nameless
04:16:42	raptor	an admin can do it with the /rename command
04:16:51	raptor	oh, not sure - we have to fix that bug (again)
04:17:08	amginea123456	cause i see a namless person right now
04:17:16	amginea123456	should i ban them?
04:17:39	raptor	your choice
04:17:50	raptor	but it doesn't do any hame
04:17:52	raptor	*harm
04:18:09	raptor	being nameless
04:18:11	sam686	use /rename "" "something" to rename a nameless person?
04:18:19	raptor	oh ih sam686
04:18:38	sam686	its a problem when someone joins with only spaces on a user name, with spaces with trimmed..
04:18:42	amginea123456	you cant if you do rename then tab to cycle it doesnt work cause pressing space to go the next
04:19:08	amginea123456	cause rename works as /reanme name newname
04:19:30	sam686	I guess TAB doesn't work on "" (nameless) names to auto complete player names..
04:19:39	raptor	which is fine
04:19:47	amginea123456	so how do oyu rename them then
04:20:01	raptor	you wait until we fix the bug :)
04:20:06	amginea123456	sam i want to test somthing host a level with asteroids
04:20:34	sam686	fix nameless name (by auto-rename ""), then the TAB problem will be gone..
04:20:45	amginea123456	meet me on sam test
04:21:01	sam686	ok
04:25:40	raptor	ok folks, i'm falling asleep - good night! (found a couple more bugs with editor)
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14:52:39	raptor	good day!
15:06:31	raptor	now i need to find transcripts of the debates...
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16:07:57	watusimoto	don't bother
16:08:43	watusimoto	my survey shows near universal agreement (amongst MA liberal types, at least) Romney = 6/10, Obama = 4/10, Moderator = 0/10
16:11:58	raptor	that high for romney amongst liberal types?
16:12:09	watusimoto	he did reasonably well
16:12:22	watusimoto	but it was a terribly boring and uninformative debate all around
16:12:48	watusimoto	(at least these liberal types are intellectually honest ! :-)
16:13:15	raptor	that why i like to read the transcripts
16:13:34	watusimoto	I think the transcripts will give you a very different view
16:13:55	raptor	don't want to be swayed by TV...
16:14:04	raptor	JFK wasn't elected for his ideas
16:14:25	watusimoto	romney made some statements that I think were simply wrong, giving obama a good opening, and he didn't take it
16:14:44	raptor	exactly - that's why i like the transcripts
16:14:58	watusimoto	and your conclusion?
16:15:01	raptor	words carry more weight than 'presence', ultimately
16:15:13	watusimoto	yes and no
16:15:21	watusimoto	presence is important in a leader
16:15:27	raptor	haven't read them yet
16:15:35	raptor	have to wait until after my studies...
16:15:49	watusimoto	you won't learn anything you didn't already know
16:16:56	raptor	yeah, but you can have all the presence in the world and make poor decisions which affect the longer term
16:18:44	watusimoto	I have no idea your political persuasion, but is there anything either could say that would change your mind?
16:19:10	raptor	probably not - because i'd rather neither be there.... :)
16:19:27	raptor	but i'm still willing to give them a chance
16:19:30	watusimoto	I think that's tru for 99% of voters
16:19:50	watusimoto	probably true for me as well
16:21:43	raptor	that's why i mentioned yesterday about choosing good local leaders, and maybe they'd filter up...
16:22:18	watusimoto	maybe, but I doubt it. doesn't mean choosing good local leaders isn't good in and of itself
16:22:37	watusimoto	I think the process requires too many comprimises
16:22:53	raptor	yes, me too
16:23:12	raptor	the 2-party system is hurting us
16:23:23	watusimoto	yup
16:24:08	raptor	i feeling like we're bleeding internally
16:24:24	watusimoto	what do you mean?
16:25:32	raptor	we have problems like any other country, but it seems like we can't really solve them and get much work down with our 2-party system...
16:25:43	raptor	*done
16:27:51	watusimoto	I agree that at the moment this is true, but it's not the 2 parties that are the problem, it is, in my opinion, the idealogues on the far right that are hindering the ability to solve the real problems.
16:29:29	raptor	i actually think the problems have to deal with the abstraction of work
16:29:45	watusimoto	what do you mean by that?
16:29:49	raptor	the national level is doing too much
16:29:54	watusimoto	ah
16:30:11	raptor	people in communities need to solve community problems
16:30:34	watusimoto	in some cases, yes, but things are so interconnected now that you really need national solutions to many problems
16:30:48	raptor	that is true, but i doubt that for things like welfare
16:31:03	raptor	maybe needed a little bit for resources to be put around
16:31:18	watusimoto	welfare is an interesting case
16:31:41	raptor	i don't mean 'welfare' like inthe welfare program
16:31:47	watusimoto	I think it serves a necessary function, to keep people from falling into abject poverty;
16:31:51	raptor	but in any assistance program
16:31:53	watusimoto	right
16:31:55	watusimoto	so
16:31:56	raptor	yes, me too
16:32:09	raptor	but i think so much is lost going up to the top then coming back down
16:32:24	watusimoto	if it is handled locally, that's fine if there are some standards to prevent states from cutting it too far
16:32:36	raptor	yes
16:33:16	watusimoto	because you know that as soon as <pick your favorite state to beat up on> hits hard times, or the governer wants to pursue some pet project, that would be the first thing some would cut
16:33:28	raptor	very true
16:33:30	watusimoto	it's just free money to idlers and layabouts anyway
16:33:45	watusimoto	so there needs to be some framework to prevent that
16:34:03	raptor	some are idlers and layabouts
16:34:09	watusimoto	of course
16:34:23	raptor	i think it needs to go hand in hand with self-determination education
16:34:34	watusimoto	that used to bother me, but I decided that having layabouts and idlers is the cost of helping those who truly need it
16:34:41	raptor	yep, me too
16:34:48	raptor	but they should be minimized
16:34:57	watusimoto	I accept there will be freeloaders, and, well, that's life
16:35:08	watusimoto	sure they should
16:35:13	raptor	my brother in law's brother is on the WIC program
16:35:17	raptor	and it's funny
16:35:25	raptor	he's a phd student raising a family
16:35:31	raptor	in a practical field
16:35:51	watusimoto	but that's all beside the point -- once you start instituting standards and rules on a > local or state level, you get to the national level pretty quickly
16:36:16	raptor	and he did the math (and research)
16:36:41	raptor	the future tax revenue gained from his children using the milk and eggs, far outweighs the cost of the milk and egs
16:36:43	raptor	*eggs
16:36:48	watusimoto	ha
16:37:08	watusimoto	but alot of this stuff isn't a financial calculation, but a moral one
16:37:24	watusimoto	to me its less about the money and more about what kind of society we want
16:37:46	raptor	that's the thing (and to bring in the standards)
16:38:04	raptor	the standards should get thinner the higher up they go
16:38:32	raptor	because we're very connected, but in reality we're lots and lots of little local groups
16:38:33	watusimoto	so what do you gain when you give states control over welfare? As I move from Oregon to Utah, shouldn't the general standards be similar?
16:38:46	raptor	sure
16:38:51	raptor	'general' being the keyword
16:39:55	raptor	think of it as (for a programming reference) the national level could provide the interface, but the local level the implementation
16:40:09	watusimoto	who provides the money?
16:40:16	watusimoto	local taxation?
16:41:00	raptor	that's a hard question because ideals don't meet human behavior
16:41:08	watusimoto	:-)
16:41:46	watusimoto	as you get more local on things like tax policy, the easier it is to dodge
16:41:53	raptor	yeah, so true
16:42:01	raptor	but also there's less waste
16:42:07	watusimoto	like those who live just over the border in WA to avoid income tax, but buy everything in OR to avoid sales tax
16:42:15	raptor	sorry, not waste - overhead
16:42:22	raptor	ha!
16:42:39	watusimoto	then you need to go through all this rigamarole to figure out who's actually working where, so you can figure out what tax rate they should pay and to whom
16:42:59	watusimoto	so it seems there's more overhead
16:43:08	raptor	the homogenous laws clash non-homogenous cultures
16:43:20	watusimoto	yes
16:43:37	watusimoto	there is a tension there
16:44:08	raptor	which i don't know how to solve...
16:44:17	watusimoto	well, there is no easy answer
16:44:33	watusimoto	unless it's to move to Wendover and stop paying Utah income tax
16:44:42	raptor	haha
16:46:07	raptor	uh oh, i'm getting kicked out of class (it's over now)
16:46:13	raptor	be back later...
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17:39:31	raptor	i'm back!
17:39:36	raptor	and in THE LIBRARY
17:39:52	raptor	oh oops... i'm supposed to be quiet in here...
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19:58:56	raptor	hi again
19:59:19	raptor	sorry to leave so abruptly before, i was being displaced by another class..
20:00:49	Watusimoto	no worries -- shouldn't be chatting in class :-)
20:01:03	raptor	heh
20:03:05	raptor	I'm also sorry I'm a bit vague on political issues - I'm reluctant to share much because of 2 reasons: 1. The limits of this communication medium with important topics, and 2. I haven't had you over for dinner yet :)
20:38:35	Watusimoto	some day
20:43:36	raptor	so back to bitfighter: i can't seem to duplicate the crash on the level selection screen, as per #56 on the list
20:44:20	raptor	but maybe i'm doing it wrong. i hosted a game, pressed ESC, changed to a different level
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21:32:43	Watusimoto	I'll try again -- it happened like 3 times in a row. Try testing a level before hosting.
21:32:55	raptor	so like in the editor?
21:34:02	Watusimoto	crash
21:34:03	raptor	nope, cannot...
21:34:17	raptor	i did make header changes recently; full recompile?
21:34:18	Watusimoto	host-esc-l-crash
21:34:55	Watusimoto	crap.. let me recompile from scratch
21:35:01	Watusimoto	maybe that's it
21:35:03	Watusimoto	ugh!
21:35:51	raptor	i still think vc++'s intelligent-compilation-unit-thingamabob doesn't live up to its name
21:36:19	raptor	but it seems to work most fo the time..
21:37:00	Watusimoto	well, it saves me tons of time, most of the time
21:46:06	Watusimoto	hooray!
21:46:13	Watusimoto	after full rebuild
21:46:16	Watusimoto	it still crashes!
21:46:22	raptor	WHAT
21:46:25	Watusimoto	it's not just partial compilateion!
21:46:29	raptor	huh
21:46:37	raptor	stack trace?
21:54:32	Watusimoto	very mysterious
21:59:13	Watusimoto	I'm rebuilding again
22:03:07	raptor	this time with fingers crossed?
22:07:27	Watusimoto	still crashing
22:07:45	Watusimoto	const char *LevelInfo::getLevelTypeName()
22:07:45	Watusimoto	{
22:07:45	Watusimoto	return GameType::getGameTypeName(mLevelType);
22:07:45	Watusimoto	}
22:07:51	Watusimoto	on the getGameTypeName
22:08:05	raptor	do you have a messed up level files somewhere
22:08:08	raptor	?
22:08:17	raptor	like some file that didn't parse upon loading
22:08:21	Watusimoto	don't think so... but good thought
22:08:59	raptor	grep all the GameType lines
22:15:55	Watusimoto	same thing with different level set
22:16:15	raptor	do you have code changes since the most recent commit?
22:17:22	Watusimoto	I don't think it's a bad level; level type would be hard to screw up and still have the level load
22:17:26	Watusimoto	maybe impossible
22:17:38	raptor	yeah, i guess that's true
22:17:57	Watusimoto	no relevant changes
22:22:02	Watusimoto	this is really messed up
22:22:22	raptor	where's sam to verify...
23:27:02	raptor	purge!
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23:54:17	raptor	hi sam686
23:54:27	sam686	hi
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23:54:49	raptor	Watusimoto says there is a crashing error in windows, when you host a game and try to change a level
23:54:51	raptor	do you get that?
23:55:07	amginea123456	yeah ive had that happen before not sure how though
23:55:13	amginea123456	and hi btw
23:55:30	raptor	amginea123456 this is in 018
23:55:41	raptor	and hi
23:56:05	amginea123456	what well apperenty its happend in 17 as well but very rarly only happend like once ever
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23:56:11	amginea123456	to me
23:56:14	Watusimoto	amginea -- you tweaked some variable with yuor cheat prog and won the nexus game?
23:56:44	Watusimoto	is that right?
23:56:58	amginea123456	yes but only for the rason so you could patch it
23:57:02	raptor	FYI for any dislexic people: here is a free set of fonts to help you read better: http://dyslexicfonts.com/downloads.php
23:57:15	Watusimoto	I'm not unhappy -- just curious what you did
23:57:17	sam686	but, you can't really cheat on very much things... unless you are a host (or it is your server)
23:57:29	amginea123456	i would never misuse it promise
23:57:44	Watusimoto	no problem -- I just want to know what you tweaked
23:57:50	Watusimoto	becaue I don;t think it is possible
23:58:04	Watusimoto	so maybe I can learn something
23:58:40	sam686	some external cheat engine stuff only can change whats in the memory (and can often crash the game if done wrong)
23:59:07	Watusimoto	yes
23:59:38	amginea123456	however there does seem to be 1 or two things you can do like name hack.. luckily whoevers hosting can change it