#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-10-16

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00:17:47 amgine123456 hi
00:17:55 amgine123456 im back from holiday.
00:19:36 amgine123456 anything interesting while i was gone?
00:21:03 sam686 hi
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00:25:24 amgine123456 ah darn it hold on froced system reset for a update
00:25:46 amgine123456 so how is version 18 coming along
00:25:53 amgine123456 brb btw
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00:29:58 amgine123456_ thats weird it says im still logged on from the other screen but its not cause i reset my computer....
00:30:19 amgine123456_  anyways sam whats going on hos the version 18 development coming
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00:30:33 amgine123456_ never mind ping timed out
00:31:31 sam686 ping time out: 240 seconds = 4 minutes
00:32:06 sam686 well, i think 018 might be close to coming out...
00:32:08 amgine123456_ anyways how is Bf 18s dev coming]
00:32:18 amgine123456_ cool =)
00:32:22 sam686 I should think about  improving the voting system, too..
00:33:19 amgine123456_ agreed I think the voting syst4em may need adjustment but also adding some stuff requiring a vote i made a thread on it dont know if you ever saw it.
00:33:34 amgine123456_ im watching anime =)
00:34:47 amgine123456_ anyways do you think i helped spped up the development much i dont think i did much but some people think i did
00:35:57 sam686 maybe you might have helped little bit on some specific areas, maybe testing..
00:59:27 amgine123456_ anywasy how much longer do you think 2-3 weeks maybe 1?
01:01:50 sam686 not sure..
01:02:27 sam686 depends on other developers  mostly Watusimoto..
01:08:34 amgine123456_ well tell him to hurry Xd
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03:17:13 amgine123456 zzzz
03:33:34 sam686 zz?
03:40:00 amgine123456 im bored is all
03:42:08 amgine123456 btw there is no tab linking the wikis and the forums to the live chat
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03:55:37 raptor good evening
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17:19:51 raptor all alone again..
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17:44:43 raptor so architectural question
17:46:31 raptor i'm coding the SoundSystem to be a sort of state machine:  detect a state change (like go from menus to game) then do an action (fade out menu music, fade in game music)
17:47:01 raptor all the logic is in the idle loop
17:47:12 raptor (or equivalent:  processAudio())
17:47:31 raptor question:  is there a Better Way
17:48:45 raptor other state changes can be:  fadeout ends, fadein ends
17:49:02 raptor music stops (end of track) etc..
17:49:16 raptor it can be rather complex...
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19:16:57 Watusimoto HI
19:17:02 raptor HI
20:36:37 Watusimoto having sound problems?
20:36:46 raptor hi
20:37:08 raptor sort of - more like stuck with the complex logic...
20:37:09 Watusimoto sorry, can't hear you...c an you SPEAK UP?
20:37:15 raptor har har
20:37:30 Watusimoto logic seems simple at least in concept
20:37:39 raptor i am trying to force my idea that is should be simple and easy to follow - but I think my idea is wrong
20:37:44 Watusimoto ha
20:38:05 Watusimoto is the difficulty figuring out what the vol should be at any given time, or adjusting it once you;ve decided
20:38:14 raptor nah - that's easy
20:38:48 raptor it more like state-determination: what states trigger what states, and how to handle them in a never ending loop
20:39:48 Watusimoto that sounds more complex than I think it needs to be
20:39:56 raptor exactly
20:40:39 Watusimoto I think the logic is simple.  Volume = whatever user set
20:40:45 Watusimoto except in a few rare conditions
20:40:57 Watusimoto such as when credits are winding down
20:41:05 raptor yes, that is simple
20:41:54 raptor but we have the concept of 'locations'
20:42:12 raptor in the editor (no music), in menus, in game, in credits
20:42:21 Watusimoto ok
20:42:22 raptor and i have to transition between them
20:42:27 Watusimoto can only be in one location at any time
20:42:39 Watusimoto each location has a target volume, right?
20:42:40 raptor yep
20:42:54 raptor they all use the master volume
20:42:58 Watusimoto editor = 0, credits = 1 (except at the end), etc.
20:43:02 Watusimoto 1 = whatever master is set at
20:43:45 Watusimoto so the way I would think about it is you have a target volume based on where you are
20:43:50 Watusimoto you also have a current volume
20:44:06 Watusimoto and when you change the target, you can set a fade timer
20:44:51 Watusimoto then set volume = 9old target - target) * timer proportion
20:44:56 raptor yes
20:45:13 Watusimoto ^^^ in idle loop
20:45:43 Watusimoto so is that yes for my last item?
20:45:47 raptor the thing that makes it a little complex is that only one command is issued to start a song to play
20:46:00 raptor because the openal system runs in its own thread..
20:46:25 raptor maybe i can make it command-driven..
20:46:51 raptor so the idle loop only does an action when it receives a command or has a location change..
20:47:13 Watusimoto or when a timer is ticking during a transition
20:47:21 raptor yes
20:47:52 Watusimoto but yes, that makes sense.  no need to continually send volume change requests if volume isn;t chaning
20:48:00 raptor because, honestly, the current logic is a whole bunch of hard-coded cases, relying on the fact we don't have too many of them..
20:49:08 Watusimoto and we probably won;t get too many more
20:49:18 Watusimoto only, perhaps, a transition between levels.  and perhaps not
20:53:09 raptor yeah, command-driven might be a little nicer...   then we can call the commands from anywhere..
20:54:35 Watusimoto yes
21:05:36 raptor now the big question:  should I use mutex locks to make it thread-safe?
21:06:58 raptor we are running within the game's main idle loop for now, so i don't need to...
21:07:07 raptor but what does the future hold?
21:14:47 Watusimoto uh.... the future does not hold mutex locks
21:14:49 Watusimoto I hope
21:15:15 raptor but we could (almost) fully thread the audio and video layers!
21:16:11 raptor ok, i'll ignore it for now...   i'm looking in the naev code, and theirs is command-driven running in a separate music thread, with mutex locks everywhere
21:26:48 Watusimoto what would threading buy us?
21:27:36 raptor better performance on multithreaded systems
21:27:43 raptor it's the future!
21:27:52 raptor or actually, it's probably history by now..
21:28:07 raptor but bitfighter is so low CPU usage anyways..
21:28:52 Watusimoto well I'm stuck on my own stupid overly complex logic for sometihng nearly pointless
21:28:52 raptor we could upgrade our main loop to use nanoseconds!  then multithread the video drawing!  think of the framerates!!
21:29:02 Watusimoto sam would love it
21:29:09 raptor heh
21:29:09 Watusimoto 20K fps
21:30:03 raptor oooo, think of the sparks!
21:30:57 raptor i always thought it funny that ship's contrails are tied to the number of idle loops in a second, instead of number per second
21:43:40 raptor ok yeah - this command-driven system will work nicely, and be more future-proof (less hard-codiness)
21:45:02 Watusimoto they are?
21:45:51 raptor yes - change your FPS to like 500, and see the nice swirlies you can make...
21:57:07 Watusimoto I hope to have a pretty cool thing to check in
21:57:09 Watusimoto soon
21:57:15 raptor uh oh
21:57:33 Watusimoto you'll like it
21:57:46 raptor please say it doesn't touch the sound system...
21:57:57 Watusimoto oh yes, an whole refactor
21:58:01 raptor !!
21:58:05 Watusimoto oh wait... that's what you;re doing too
21:58:06 Watusimoto dang!
21:58:10 raptor grrrr
21:58:11 Watusimoto better get my code in first!
21:58:21 Watusimoto no nothing to do with sound
21:58:27 raptor i don't thing i could win that race...
21:58:29 raptor *think
21:58:31 raptor ok
22:00:43 Watusimoto not *quite* done, but I'm checking in anyway
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22:01:27 Watusimoto ok, well it's in
22:01:42 Watusimoto I rewrote the in-game chat stuff
22:01:49 raptor goes to look...
22:01:51 Watusimoto so now we have smooth scrolling
22:02:09 Watusimoto start a game and send some chat messages.  looks much slicker
22:02:23 Watusimoto I did it in a way that it can be extended to the system messages as well
22:02:25 raptor doesn't see any new commits
22:02:26 BFLogBot Commit: 7a54d55092a4 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Make teamIndex accept neutral/hostile teams 
22:02:27 BFLogBot Commit: 88421414784c | Author: watusimoto | Message: LoadoutZone lua constructor now fully functional 
22:02:29 BFLogBot Commit: 96f931949f4c | Author: watusimoto | Message: Change PTS to GEOM... more descriptive 
22:02:30 BFLogBot Commit: 10fe18243860 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Reduce code duplication a little 
22:02:32 BFLogBot Commit: 09abbec923d3 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Cleanup 
22:02:33 BFLogBot Commit: 7c9b81efc8b1 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Consolodate all the chat stuff from UIGame into a smaller class 
22:02:35 BFLogBot Commit: defa8832fd19 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Move chat code to bottom of file 
22:02:36 Watusimoto though I didn;t do that yet
22:02:36 BFLogBot Commit: 0cad1ea2dcd9 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Fix bug introduced earlier this evening 
22:02:38 BFLogBot Commit: b8de323b4d7c | Author: watusimoto | Message: Scrolling effect mostly done... just need to clip 
22:02:39 BFLogBot Commit: a1aaec4e5f39 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Smooth chat scrolling now 90% working 
22:02:41 BFLogBot Commit: 05f7c6fa1781 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Trying to resolve design confilct with constructor and arg checking for lua 
22:02:42 BFLogBot Commit: 70bd5e5abdc5 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Merge 
22:02:46 raptor there we are...
22:02:47 Watusimoto and there are still some visual quirks with multi-line chat messages
22:03:08 Watusimoto also pulled a bunch of the chat code out of uigame and it in its own class
22:03:16 Watusimoto so things are better organized
22:03:28 raptor that's *always* good
22:03:30 Watusimoto yes
22:03:48 Watusimoto and Ill be able to pull more out when I incorporate in-game messaging
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22:04:39 Watusimoto I'd like to make all our menus and such be smooth like the chat messages
22:04:48 Watusimoto I think it gives a much more polished look to the UI
22:04:55 raptor hmm... dare i compile...
22:04:55 Watusimoto though most of this will be post 018
22:05:35 Watusimoto I have a good idea for menu a menu transition that will look great
22:05:40 Watusimoto and be easy
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22:06:43 Watusimoto hi AoStH
22:06:55 AoStH Hello
22:07:09 Watusimoto welcome to bitfighter
22:07:43 raptor it compiled!!
22:08:15 AoStH ty
22:08:55 raptor oooo, it scrolls!
22:09:13 Watusimoto looks nice, eh?
22:09:17 Watusimoto I really like it
22:10:05 raptor anything else i should look for?  (this looks REALLY nice)
22:10:39 Watusimoto no
22:10:49 Watusimoto but we'll extend that effect to messages from the server
22:10:51 raptor well, i like it
22:11:06 raptor those server messages seem unruly...
22:11:10 Watusimoto then maybe to the chat screen
22:11:17 raptor ok
22:11:29 Watusimoto maybe to changing loadout display
22:11:32 Watusimoto to everything, really
22:11:44 Watusimoto glad you like it!
22:12:13 Watusimoto I got mired in some sort of c-string memory corruption error in your wrapping code (though not your fault)
22:12:31 Watusimoto so I had to change it to use strings instead of char[]
22:12:46 Watusimoto but it works now
22:13:17 raptor i hate that wrapping code
22:14:09 raptor all i remember is that sam and I kept altering it back and forth and trying our best to make it easily followable
22:14:58 Watusimoto it;s a tad simpler now using strings
22:15:08 Watusimoto no moer injecting nulls to do substrs and stuff like that
22:15:21 Watusimoto took me a bit to understand what you were doing
22:15:45 raptor i don't think i even knew what i was doing by the end of it...  sam had introduced some tricks in there..
22:17:38 Watusimoto well, it works
22:19:15 AoStH where is the level folder for bitfighter?
22:19:28 raptor AoStH: what system are you running?
22:19:55 AoStH Windows
22:20:04 raptor you can press F7 a couple times, in game, to see where it is...
22:20:18 AoStH Ok
22:20:20 raptor one of the F7 diagnostic screens tells you where it's loading from
22:20:52 AoStH Found it
22:21:00 raptor great
22:21:42 raptor Watusimoto: bnother class got interested in bitfighter
22:22:02 Watusimoto shop class?
22:22:23 raptor all I know that it's a 'Computer Sci & Tech' class from Canada, they lock their server, and their IP belongs to a group held by this domain:  http://scdsb.on.ca/
22:22:43 Watusimoto keep thinking of my friend who took metal shop in highcshool
22:23:04 Watusimoto he and his friends buit a mortar, but to disguise it from their teacher, they had to weld ears and a tail onto it
22:23:11 Watusimoto they called it "the barker"
22:23:18 raptor haha
22:23:32 raptor disguise it from the teacher....  riiiight
22:23:48 Watusimoto he probably just needed plausable deniabliity
22:23:55 raptor haha, yep
22:24:00 Watusimoto "it sure looked like a dog!"
22:51:30 raptor now i just have to leave the library so i can test my new sound system code...
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22:52:56 BFLogBot Commit: 3e6fed3c358f | Author: watusimoto | Message: Cleanup -- remove magic numbers, format, comment, etc. 
22:52:57 BFLogBot Commit: 7d683dce532e | Author: watusimoto | Message: Clarity 
22:52:59 BFLogBot Commit: bef18e030885 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Smooth scroll slightly more broken, for the moment 
22:52:59 Watusimoto ok, turning in... latest checkin not worth looking at
22:53:07 raptor good night
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00:17:47	amgine123456	hi
00:17:55	amgine123456	im back from holiday.
00:19:36	amgine123456	anything interesting while i was gone?
00:21:03	sam686	hi
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00:25:24	amgine123456	ah darn it hold on froced system reset for a update
00:25:46	amgine123456	so how is version 18 coming along
00:25:53	amgine123456	brb btw
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00:29:58	amgine123456_	thats weird it says im still logged on from the other screen but its not cause i reset my computer....
00:30:19	amgine123456_	anyways sam whats going on hos the version 18 development coming
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00:30:33	amgine123456_	never mind ping timed out
00:31:31	sam686	ping time out: 240 seconds = 4 minutes
00:32:06	sam686	well, i think 018 might be close to coming out...
00:32:08	amgine123456_	anyways how is Bf 18s dev coming]
00:32:18	amgine123456_	cool =)
00:32:22	sam686	I should think about improving the voting system, too..
00:33:19	amgine123456_	agreed I think the voting syst4em may need adjustment but also adding some stuff requiring a vote i made a thread on it dont know if you ever saw it.
00:33:34	amgine123456_	im watching anime =)
00:34:47	amgine123456_	anyways do you think i helped spped up the development much i dont think i did much but some people think i did
00:35:57	sam686	maybe you might have helped little bit on some specific areas, maybe testing..
00:59:27	amgine123456_	anywasy how much longer do you think 2-3 weeks maybe 1?
01:01:50	sam686	not sure..
01:02:27	sam686	depends on other developers mostly Watusimoto..
01:08:34	amgine123456_	well tell him to hurry Xd
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03:17:13	amgine123456	zzzz
03:33:34	sam686	zz?
03:40:00	amgine123456	im bored is all
03:42:08	amgine123456	btw there is no tab linking the wikis and the forums to the live chat
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03:55:37	raptor	good evening
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17:19:51	raptor	all alone again..
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17:44:43	raptor	so architectural question
17:46:31	raptor	i'm coding the SoundSystem to be a sort of state machine: detect a state change (like go from menus to game) then do an action (fade out menu music, fade in game music)
17:47:01	raptor	all the logic is in the idle loop
17:47:12	raptor	(or equivalent: processAudio())
17:47:31	raptor	question: is there a Better Way
17:48:45	raptor	other state changes can be: fadeout ends, fadein ends
17:49:02	raptor	music stops (end of track) etc..
17:49:16	raptor	it can be rather complex...
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19:16:57	Watusimoto	HI
19:17:02	raptor	HI
20:36:37	Watusimoto	having sound problems?
20:36:46	raptor	hi
20:37:08	raptor	sort of - more like stuck with the complex logic...
20:37:09	Watusimoto	sorry, can't hear you...c an you SPEAK UP?
20:37:15	raptor	har har
20:37:30	Watusimoto	logic seems simple at least in concept
20:37:39	raptor	i am trying to force my idea that is should be simple and easy to follow - but I think my idea is wrong
20:37:44	Watusimoto	ha
20:38:05	Watusimoto	is the difficulty figuring out what the vol should be at any given time, or adjusting it once you;ve decided
20:38:14	raptor	nah - that's easy
20:38:48	raptor	it more like state-determination: what states trigger what states, and how to handle them in a never ending loop
20:39:48	Watusimoto	that sounds more complex than I think it needs to be
20:39:56	raptor	exactly
20:40:39	Watusimoto	I think the logic is simple. Volume = whatever user set
20:40:45	Watusimoto	except in a few rare conditions
20:40:57	Watusimoto	such as when credits are winding down
20:41:05	raptor	yes, that is simple
20:41:54	raptor	but we have the concept of 'locations'
20:42:12	raptor	in the editor (no music), in menus, in game, in credits
20:42:21	Watusimoto	ok
20:42:22	raptor	and i have to transition between them
20:42:27	Watusimoto	can only be in one location at any time
20:42:39	Watusimoto	each location has a target volume, right?
20:42:40	raptor	yep
20:42:54	raptor	they all use the master volume
20:42:58	Watusimoto	editor = 0, credits = 1 (except at the end), etc.
20:43:02	Watusimoto	1 = whatever master is set at
20:43:45	Watusimoto	so the way I would think about it is you have a target volume based on where you are
20:43:50	Watusimoto	you also have a current volume
20:44:06	Watusimoto	and when you change the target, you can set a fade timer
20:44:51	Watusimoto	then set volume = 9old target - target) * timer proportion
20:44:56	raptor	yes
20:45:13	Watusimoto	^^^ in idle loop
20:45:43	Watusimoto	so is that yes for my last item?
20:45:47	raptor	the thing that makes it a little complex is that only one command is issued to start a song to play
20:46:00	raptor	because the openal system runs in its own thread..
20:46:25	raptor	maybe i can make it command-driven..
20:46:51	raptor	so the idle loop only does an action when it receives a command or has a location change..
20:47:13	Watusimoto	or when a timer is ticking during a transition
20:47:21	raptor	yes
20:47:52	Watusimoto	but yes, that makes sense. no need to continually send volume change requests if volume isn;t chaning
20:48:00	raptor	because, honestly, the current logic is a whole bunch of hard-coded cases, relying on the fact we don't have too many of them..
20:49:08	Watusimoto	and we probably won;t get too many more
20:49:18	Watusimoto	only, perhaps, a transition between levels. and perhaps not
20:53:09	raptor	yeah, command-driven might be a little nicer... then we can call the commands from anywhere..
20:54:35	Watusimoto	yes
21:05:36	raptor	now the big question: should I use mutex locks to make it thread-safe?
21:06:58	raptor	we are running within the game's main idle loop for now, so i don't need to...
21:07:07	raptor	but what does the future hold?
21:14:47	Watusimoto	uh.... the future does not hold mutex locks
21:14:49	Watusimoto	I hope
21:15:15	raptor	but we could (almost) fully thread the audio and video layers!
21:16:11	raptor	ok, i'll ignore it for now... i'm looking in the naev code, and theirs is command-driven running in a separate music thread, with mutex locks everywhere
21:26:48	Watusimoto	what would threading buy us?
21:27:36	raptor	better performance on multithreaded systems
21:27:43	raptor	it's the future!
21:27:52	raptor	or actually, it's probably history by now..
21:28:07	raptor	but bitfighter is so low CPU usage anyways..
21:28:52	Watusimoto	well I'm stuck on my own stupid overly complex logic for sometihng nearly pointless
21:28:52	raptor	we could upgrade our main loop to use nanoseconds! then multithread the video drawing! think of the framerates!!
21:29:02	Watusimoto	sam would love it
21:29:09	raptor	heh
21:29:09	Watusimoto	20K fps
21:30:03	raptor	oooo, think of the sparks!
21:30:57	raptor	i always thought it funny that ship's contrails are tied to the number of idle loops in a second, instead of number per second
21:43:40	raptor	ok yeah - this command-driven system will work nicely, and be more future-proof (less hard-codiness)
21:45:02	Watusimoto	they are?
21:45:51	raptor	yes - change your FPS to like 500, and see the nice swirlies you can make...
21:57:07	Watusimoto	I hope to have a pretty cool thing to check in
21:57:09	Watusimoto	soon
21:57:15	raptor	uh oh
21:57:33	Watusimoto	you'll like it
21:57:46	raptor	please say it doesn't touch the sound system...
21:57:57	Watusimoto	oh yes, an whole refactor
21:58:01	raptor	!!
21:58:05	Watusimoto	oh wait... that's what you;re doing too
21:58:06	Watusimoto	dang!
21:58:10	raptor	grrrr
21:58:11	Watusimoto	better get my code in first!
21:58:21	Watusimoto	no nothing to do with sound
21:58:27	raptor	i don't thing i could win that race...
21:58:29	raptor	*think
21:58:31	raptor	ok
22:00:43	Watusimoto	not quite done, but I'm checking in anyway
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22:01:27	Watusimoto	ok, well it's in
22:01:42	Watusimoto	I rewrote the in-game chat stuff
22:01:49		raptor goes to look...
22:01:51	Watusimoto	so now we have smooth scrolling
22:02:09	Watusimoto	start a game and send some chat messages. looks much slicker
22:02:23	Watusimoto	I did it in a way that it can be extended to the system messages as well
22:02:25		raptor doesn't see any new commits
22:02:26		BFLogBot Commit: 7a54d55092a4 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Make teamIndex accept neutral/hostile teams
22:02:27		BFLogBot Commit: 88421414784c \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: LoadoutZone lua constructor now fully functional
22:02:29		BFLogBot Commit: 96f931949f4c \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Change PTS to GEOM... more descriptive
22:02:30		BFLogBot Commit: 10fe18243860 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Reduce code duplication a little
22:02:32		BFLogBot Commit: 09abbec923d3 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Cleanup
22:02:33		BFLogBot Commit: 7c9b81efc8b1 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Consolodate all the chat stuff from UIGame into a smaller class
22:02:35		BFLogBot Commit: defa8832fd19 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Move chat code to bottom of file
22:02:36	Watusimoto	though I didn;t do that yet
22:02:36		BFLogBot Commit: 0cad1ea2dcd9 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Fix bug introduced earlier this evening
22:02:38		BFLogBot Commit: b8de323b4d7c \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Scrolling effect mostly done... just need to clip
22:02:39		BFLogBot Commit: a1aaec4e5f39 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Smooth chat scrolling now 90% working
22:02:41		BFLogBot Commit: 05f7c6fa1781 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Trying to resolve design confilct with constructor and arg checking for lua
22:02:42		BFLogBot Commit: 70bd5e5abdc5 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Merge
22:02:46	raptor	there we are...
22:02:47	Watusimoto	and there are still some visual quirks with multi-line chat messages
22:03:08	Watusimoto	also pulled a bunch of the chat code out of uigame and it in its own class
22:03:16	Watusimoto	so things are better organized
22:03:28	raptor	that's always good
22:03:30	Watusimoto	yes
22:03:48	Watusimoto	and Ill be able to pull more out when I incorporate in-game messaging
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22:04:39	Watusimoto	I'd like to make all our menus and such be smooth like the chat messages
22:04:48	Watusimoto	I think it gives a much more polished look to the UI
22:04:55	raptor	hmm... dare i compile...
22:04:55	Watusimoto	though most of this will be post 018
22:05:35	Watusimoto	I have a good idea for menu a menu transition that will look great
22:05:40	Watusimoto	and be easy
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22:06:43	Watusimoto	hi AoStH
22:06:55	AoStH	Hello
22:07:09	Watusimoto	welcome to bitfighter
22:07:43	raptor	it compiled!!
22:08:15	AoStH	ty
22:08:55	raptor	oooo, it scrolls!
22:09:13	Watusimoto	looks nice, eh?
22:09:17	Watusimoto	I really like it
22:10:05	raptor	anything else i should look for? (this looks REALLY nice)
22:10:39	Watusimoto	no
22:10:49	Watusimoto	but we'll extend that effect to messages from the server
22:10:51	raptor	well, i like it
22:11:06	raptor	those server messages seem unruly...
22:11:10	Watusimoto	then maybe to the chat screen
22:11:17	raptor	ok
22:11:29	Watusimoto	maybe to changing loadout display
22:11:32	Watusimoto	to everything, really
22:11:44	Watusimoto	glad you like it!
22:12:13	Watusimoto	I got mired in some sort of c-string memory corruption error in your wrapping code (though not your fault)
22:12:31	Watusimoto	so I had to change it to use strings instead of char[]
22:12:46	Watusimoto	but it works now
22:13:17	raptor	i hate that wrapping code
22:14:09	raptor	all i remember is that sam and I kept altering it back and forth and trying our best to make it easily followable
22:14:58	Watusimoto	it;s a tad simpler now using strings
22:15:08	Watusimoto	no moer injecting nulls to do substrs and stuff like that
22:15:21	Watusimoto	took me a bit to understand what you were doing
22:15:45	raptor	i don't think i even knew what i was doing by the end of it... sam had introduced some tricks in there..
22:17:38	Watusimoto	well, it works
22:19:15	AoStH	where is the level folder for bitfighter?
22:19:28	raptor	AoStH: what system are you running?
22:19:55	AoStH	Windows
22:20:04	raptor	you can press F7 a couple times, in game, to see where it is...
22:20:18	AoStH	Ok
22:20:20	raptor	one of the F7 diagnostic screens tells you where it's loading from
22:20:52	AoStH	Found it
22:21:00	raptor	great
22:21:42	raptor	Watusimoto: bnother class got interested in bitfighter
22:22:02	Watusimoto	shop class?
22:22:23	raptor	all I know that it's a 'Computer Sci & Tech' class from Canada, they lock their server, and their IP belongs to a group held by this domain: http://scdsb.on.ca/
22:22:43	Watusimoto	keep thinking of my friend who took metal shop in highcshool
22:23:04	Watusimoto	he and his friends buit a mortar, but to disguise it from their teacher, they had to weld ears and a tail onto it
22:23:11	Watusimoto	they called it "the barker"
22:23:18	raptor	haha
22:23:32	raptor	disguise it from the teacher.... riiiight
22:23:48	Watusimoto	he probably just needed plausable deniabliity
22:23:55	raptor	haha, yep
22:24:00	Watusimoto	"it sure looked like a dog!"
22:51:30	raptor	now i just have to leave the library so i can test my new sound system code...
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22:52:59	Watusimoto	ok, turning in... latest checkin not worth looking at
22:53:07	raptor	good night
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