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| 01:04:07 | raptor | hello again |
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| 04:56:18 | amgine1234567890 | hi sam |
| 04:56:27 | sam686 | hi |
| 05:07:33 | amgine1234567890 | so how is BF 18 coming |
| 05:07:49 | amgine1234567890 | is there a more recent compliled version? |
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| 14:10:33 | raptor | good morning |
| 14:22:37 | Watusimoto | hi there |
| 14:22:41 | raptor | hi |
| 14:22:43 | Watusimoto | my son's tire was flat again this mornign |
| 14:23:09 | raptor | :( |
| 14:23:13 | Watusimoto | indeed |
| 14:23:15 | raptor | what i like to do |
| 14:23:25 | raptor | is get a new tube |
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| 14:23:31 | Watusimoto | got a new tube today |
| 14:23:42 | Watusimoto | he needed the bike this morning, so that wasn't an option last night |
| 14:23:58 | raptor | then I cut the old tube, on the inside, all the way around |
| 14:24:08 | raptor | so it can be used as a 'coat' for the new tube |
| 14:24:15 | Watusimoto | interesting idea |
| 14:24:25 | Watusimoto | might try that |
| 14:24:50 | raptor | it makes the wheels a little heavier, but it they last waaaaay longer in areas that have lots of spurs, prickers, etc. |
| 14:24:52 | Watusimoto | his bike is already so heavy an inefficient |
| 14:25:00 | Watusimoto | a little more can't hurt |
| 14:25:04 | Watusimoto | will only make him stronger |
| 14:25:11 | raptor | i used to use two tube 'coats' |
| 14:25:16 | Watusimoto | wow |
| 14:25:19 | raptor | one on the outside, one on the underside |
| 14:25:37 | raptor | was a real hassle, but then i didn't get a flat for 2 years when i was in phoenix AZ |
| 14:26:09 | raptor | i figured out to do that because when i first moved there, i got 4 flats in days |
| 14:26:17 | raptor | 2 days |
| 14:26:19 | Watusimoto | it's a good idea |
| 14:26:39 | Watusimoto | and why not -- I have all the materials |
| 14:27:06 | raptor | that idea doesn't fly well with the competitive bike folks - they love their light-weight wheels with smaller center-of-masses |
| 14:27:18 | Watusimoto | this bike is not competitive in any way |
| 14:27:25 | Watusimoto | unless it's the least ergonomic bike contest |
| 14:27:26 | raptor | but then i laugh when they get flats |
| 14:27:31 | raptor | haha |
| 14:27:40 | Watusimoto | it's way too small for him |
| 14:28:04 | raptor | i rode a kids bike with spoke-e-dokes to high school for two years |
| 14:28:13 | Watusimoto | but he's at that awkward size -- get a bike he'll grow out of, or wait til he can fit on a gull size bike |
| 14:28:28 | raptor | haha, yeah, that was me too |
| 14:28:30 | Watusimoto | full size -- he already has a gull size bike |
| 14:28:55 | Watusimoto | so in terms of my lua work, I think I am finished with all the objects |
| 14:29:03 | raptor | hooray!! |
| 14:29:22 | Watusimoto | I need to go back and fix walls, which are broken, and do the lua enums, but that will be easy |
| 14:29:43 | Watusimoto | then we need to get some bugs fixed, quickly, before we find more |
| 14:29:49 | Watusimoto | I added another to the list this morning |
| 14:29:58 | raptor | haha |
| 14:30:13 | raptor | you mean fix them, before we add more... |
| 14:30:14 | Watusimoto | I haven't looked at the list too closely, but we might be able to defer some less critical ones |
| 14:30:24 | raptor | we can |
| 14:33:19 | raptor | i kind of crashed this week - got really busy with school/family/life so I haven't continued the bug-fixing work.. |
| 14:33:37 | Watusimoto | no worries |
| 14:52:07 | Watusimoto | do you know anything about this comment? |
| 14:52:08 | Watusimoto | / Need to tell the compiler what size we are inputting to prevent possible problems with different compilers, sizeof(NULL) not always the same as sizeof(void*) |
| 14:52:11 | Watusimoto | I think sam wrote it |
| 14:52:28 | Watusimoto | and I vaguely remember there was some very weird crash that was related |
| 14:52:45 | Watusimoto | do you remember what crashed, or how I could reproduce it? |
| 14:55:38 | raptor | uh |
| 14:56:12 | raptor | i don't remember, sorry... |
| 14:56:17 | raptor | sam686? |
| 14:58:38 | raptor | wher ein the code? |
| 15:04:19 | Watusimoto | LuaScriptRunner c. 876 |
| 15:04:26 | Watusimoto | .cpp |
| 15:04:45 | Watusimoto | though I think in this case the line serves no function at all |
| 15:11:08 | raptor | oh |
| 15:11:12 | raptor | i remember that now... |
| 15:12:10 | raptor | there was a crash on Mac |
| 15:12:35 | Watusimoto | ok, well, I won't monkey with it |
| 15:13:05 | raptor | everytime you shut down the program, and it was because it was using 0 instead of NULL, and the mac compiler had those as different byte sizes for some reason |
| 15:13:50 | raptor | oh and then it was comparing NULL as an int in a va_args list - where it was looking for NULL with width (char*) |
| 15:42:24 | raptor | SDL2 has message box functions now... |
| 15:52:31 | raptor | i almost want to implement that easteregg protocol... |
| 16:03:39 | Watusimoto | I'm such a sucker |
| 16:03:59 | Watusimoto | I caved, and bought empire earth II on gog (with securom removed) |
| 16:04:06 | Watusimoto | pay twice for the same mediocre content |
| 16:04:13 | Watusimoto | don't even know if it will work on linux |
| 16:04:20 | Watusimoto | or let me play with my kids, which is the real goal |
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| 16:59:01 | raptor | ha! |
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| 17:57:21 | raptor | Watusimoto: so tell me, does EE2 from GOG have both the SecuRom AND the disc requirement removed? |
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| 18:44:47 | raptor | it's that time of year again... where I might retreat into a 4x-genre game |
| 18:44:53 | raptor | (like stars!) |
| 18:45:17 | raptor | probably because Thanksgiving/Christmas are approaching.. |
| 18:45:29 | raptor | I must forbear.. |
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| 20:03:05 | Watusimoto | well, skip EE2 |
| 20:03:18 | raptor | :( |
| 20:03:20 | Watusimoto | the version I bought doesn't work with wine or with VB |
| 20:03:28 | raptor | what?! |
| 20:03:43 | Watusimoto | in fact, the filesize of teh exe is exactly the same as that for the nocd hack out there on the net |
| 20:03:54 | Watusimoto | and it crashes in exactly the same way |
| 20:03:54 | raptor | oh wonderful |
| 20:03:58 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 20:04:10 | Watusimoto | so $10 down the drain |
| 20:04:23 | raptor | well i was debating buying the original EE |
| 20:04:30 | Watusimoto | and feeling guilty for giving more money to those thieves |
| 20:04:39 | raptor | I have the discs + updates, etc... but i'm tired of using the crack.. |
| 20:04:41 | Watusimoto | it's $6.99 on gog, no drm |
| 20:04:50 | Watusimoto | I could sell you ee2 for $9.99 |
| 20:04:54 | raptor | ha |
| 20:05:11 | raptor | actually have you played both EE2 and EE1? |
| 20:05:15 | Watusimoto | no |
| 20:05:27 | raptor | ah, ok |
| 20:05:38 | Watusimoto | there is another game like ee2 that everyone likes better |
| 20:05:42 | raptor | i thought you had... and wanted to know why you'd prefer EE2 |
| 20:05:55 | Watusimoto | I forget the name, total war? |
| 20:06:05 | raptor | total annihilation? |
| 20:06:08 | Watusimoto | another 5000 year game |
| 20:06:09 | Watusimoto | no |
| 20:06:14 | Watusimoto | from microsoft |
| 20:06:16 | raptor | ah |
| 20:06:19 | raptor | interesting... |
| 20:06:23 | | raptor goes to look it up |
| 20:06:30 | Watusimoto | but it's only available retail |
| 20:07:23 | raptor | i found empire: total war, but it starts in the 1700s |
| 20:07:37 | Watusimoto | rise of nations, I think |
| 20:08:07 | raptor | 8 ages |
| 20:08:15 | raptor | EE1 has 15 or 16, I think... |
| 20:08:20 | Watusimoto | yup, that's it |
| 20:08:27 | Watusimoto | ee2 has 15 |
| 20:08:48 | Watusimoto | 10 hours, $10, nothing to show for it :-( |
| 20:09:11 | raptor | i played one game of EE1 with friends against the computers (starting at the youngest age)... after 12 hours, it was still a stalemate and we were in the most advanced age.. |
| 20:09:35 | raptor | it was 3 on 3 - and this was like 10 years ago.. |
| 20:10:27 | Watusimoto | ha |
| 20:10:40 | Watusimoto | epic games |
| 20:10:49 | Watusimoto | I'm going to install win on my work machine |
| 20:10:52 | Watusimoto | dual boot |
| 20:10:56 | raptor | ! |
| 20:10:57 | Watusimoto | _that_ will work |
| 20:11:00 | raptor | ummm |
| 20:11:09 | raptor | installing windows 2nd = lost bootloader |
| 20:11:17 | Watusimoto | ? |
| 20:11:24 | Watusimoto | i.e. not a good idea? |
| 20:11:26 | raptor | either: |
| 20:11:31 | raptor | 1. install windows 1st |
| 20:11:41 | Watusimoto | too late for 1 |
| 20:12:13 | raptor | or 2. install windows 2nd, repair the bootloader (after much research) |
| 20:12:31 | raptor | 2 is usually replaced with: 3. wipe everything and install windows first |
| 20:12:35 | Watusimoto | ha |
| 20:12:44 | raptor | it's called the 'microsoft virus' |
| 20:12:56 | raptor | coined back in the windows 95 days |
| 20:12:57 | Watusimoto | ok, thanks for the warning |
| 20:13:11 | Watusimoto | I wonder if I can play via a live windows cd |
| 20:13:23 | Watusimoto | I have one, but probably can't install games |
| 20:13:25 | raptor | do you know if your bootloader is GRUB or GRUB2? |
| 20:13:31 | Watusimoto | no idea |
| 20:13:35 | raptor | because I know how to repair the first |
| 20:13:40 | Watusimoto | ha |
| 20:13:41 | raptor | had to do it too many times... |
| 20:13:47 | Watusimoto | you can repair grub |
| 20:13:57 | raptor | oh yes |
| 20:15:11 | Watusimoto | well, some people can run ee2 on linux, so it must be possible. the latest I have has no securom, so why isn;t it working? |
| 20:15:23 | raptor | define 'not working' ? |
| 20:16:04 | raptor | usually the problem is as simple as installing a few DLLs with the 'winetricks' command |
| 20:16:08 | Watusimoto | won't even start up |
| 20:16:16 | Watusimoto | it has gold in the wine database |
| 20:16:24 | raptor | it installed? |
| 20:16:28 | Watusimoto | the splash screen appears for a second and disappears |
| 20:16:31 | Watusimoto | yes, installation was find |
| 20:16:33 | Watusimoto | fine |
| 20:16:45 | Watusimoto | even with the original version |
| 20:16:47 | raptor | ok, start it up on the command prompt, and pastie me any output... |
| 20:17:36 | Watusimoto | never thought of cmd prompt... |
| 20:18:00 | raptor | *everything* in linux is solved with the command prompt - Linux painful lesson #1 |
| 20:19:58 | raptor | also what version of WINE? 1.?.x |
| 20:20:00 | Watusimoto | pasteie.org/5178119 |
| 20:20:20 | raptor | wine --version |
| 20:20:26 | Watusimoto | this with 1.5.16 |
| 20:20:35 | Watusimoto | got something similar with 1.4 |
| 20:20:45 | raptor | ok |
| 20:20:48 | raptor | type in winecfg |
| 20:20:51 | raptor | winecfg |
| 20:20:57 | raptor | change audio driver to alsa |
| 20:21:21 | Watusimoto | how do I do that? |
| 20:21:25 | Watusimoto | in wine? |
| 20:21:28 | Watusimoto | or in linux? |
| 20:21:31 | raptor | type in winecfg |
| 20:22:12 | Watusimoto | under audio I have output devide |
| 20:22:16 | raptor | yes |
| 20:22:18 | Watusimoto | with 2 options |
| 20:22:21 | Watusimoto | (system default) |
| 20:22:30 | Watusimoto | and Pulseaudio |
| 20:22:35 | raptor | ha |
| 20:22:42 | raptor | ok one moment (doing research) |
| 20:22:49 | raptor | pulseaudio is your issue with your sound, too |
| 20:22:55 | Watusimoto | I wonder if this is related to my more general sound issue |
| 20:22:58 | raptor | as well as keeping the game from starting up |
| 20:23:07 | Watusimoto | could it be? |
| 20:23:11 | raptor | yes |
| 20:23:22 | Watusimoto | that possibility never ocurred to me |
| 20:23:47 | raptor | mint 13 or 14? |
| 20:24:13 | raptor | oh, there is no 14 |
| 20:24:15 | raptor | so 13.. |
| 20:24:26 | Watusimoto | yes, 13 |
| 20:24:28 | Watusimoto | someday 14 |
| 20:25:26 | raptor | id just try completely uninstalling pulseaudio |
| 20:25:55 | raptor | interesting the winecfg on newer 1.5 releases is different.. |
| 20:26:35 | raptor | actually first |
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| 20:26:41 | Watusimoto | hi watusimoto |
| 20:26:48 | watusimoto1 | hi |
| 20:26:50 | raptor | hi Watusimoto, watusimoto1 |
| 20:26:54 | watusimoto1 | http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=115918&p=644201#p644201 |
| 20:27:14 | Watusimoto | that link is my form positing on my sound issue, lots more details, if it's helpful |
| 20:27:14 | raptor | ha, i was just going to suggest try restarting pulseaudio with : pulseaudio -k |
| 20:27:33 | Watusimoto | I don't think I have a pulseaudio problem |
| 20:27:53 | Watusimoto | I think my sound card is not being recognized for some reason |
| 20:28:30 | Watusimoto | why no valid output devices shown on the Sound panel |
| 20:28:57 | sam686 | dumb question, make sure your computer volume control isn |
| 20:29:02 | sam686 | isn't set to mute |
| 20:29:07 | raptor | hi sam686 |
| 20:29:16 | Watusimoto | hi sam686 |
| 20:29:28 | Watusimoto | it's not the problem, sadly |
| 20:29:42 | Watusimoto | ok, now I see what pulseaudio is, maybe it is the problem |
| 20:29:57 | Watusimoto | it's the central nervous system of linux sound |
| 20:30:20 | raptor | well.. |
| 20:30:22 | raptor | it's trying to be |
| 20:30:27 | raptor | alsa worked just fine |
| 20:30:53 | Watusimoto | well, my sound worked fine for the first few days after my upgrade |
| 20:31:00 | raptor | pulseaudio is the typical kneejerk - 'we must rewrite everything!' solution to a working sound architecture |
| 20:31:31 | raptor | i frequently solve pulseaudio issues by just uninstalling it and have the system fallback to ALSA |
| 20:32:46 | Watusimoto | you think it's likely I also have alsa installed? |
| 20:33:29 | raptor | you have to |
| 20:33:40 | raptor | ALSA is the sound interface to the Linux kernel |
| 20:33:59 | raptor | everything else is a wrapper for it in one way or another |
| 20:34:41 | raptor | ok, i lied - it isn't the interface |
| 20:35:09 | raptor | but it's the most common API, and most Linux systems require it |
| 20:35:13 | Watusimoto | I could try removing Pulse, I suppose |
| 20:35:23 | Watusimoto | should be easy enough to put back |
| 20:36:03 | sam686 | maybe, at one time, I thought pulseaudio is just a mixed that send it to Alsa, which you might need to check alsamixer or similar (with alsa-utils installed) |
| 20:36:26 | raptor | you could try something like this if you don't want to uninstall: http://ptspts.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-to-disable-pulseaudio-on-ubuntu.html |
| 20:36:42 | Watusimoto | ha, I just found that! |
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| 20:39:49 | Watusimoto | well the pusleaudio theory does have some things in its favor |
| 20:39:59 | raptor | it certainly does |
| 20:40:03 | Watusimoto | the fact that I hear the startup chime (probably before pulse has taken over) |
| 20:40:25 | Watusimoto | I have sound! |
| 20:40:28 | raptor | but i've had 3 out 4 computers fail with pulseaudio in the last 2 years |
| 20:41:11 | raptor | oh good! what did you do? |
| 20:41:18 | Watusimoto | the sound control panel widget is completely disabled now |
| 20:41:31 | Watusimoto | I followed the instructions in that page you posted |
| 20:41:38 | Watusimoto | all but the last bit which was unclear |
| 20:42:06 | raptor | you'll probably have to use a different mixer |
| 20:42:07 | Watusimoto | EE2 still crashes |
| 20:42:13 | raptor | what is the output? |
| 20:42:20 | Watusimoto | let me try from cmd line |
| 20:44:07 | Watusimoto | pastie.org/5178221 |
| 20:44:18 | Watusimoto | different pulseaudio error |
| 20:44:22 | Watusimoto | the rest of teh stuff is the same |
| 20:45:02 | raptor | and if you do winecfg? |
| 20:45:09 | raptor | does alsa appear? |
| 20:45:20 | Watusimoto | where? |
| 20:45:26 | Watusimoto | oh, hold on |
| 20:45:43 | Watusimoto | no |
| 20:45:49 | Watusimoto | (Sustem default) |
| 20:45:54 | Watusimoto | Out: default |
| 20:46:09 | Watusimoto | and Out: HDA Intel PCH Conexant Analog |
| 20:46:14 | raptor | http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/01/how-to-remove-pulseaudio-use-alsa-ubuntu-linux/ |
| 20:46:44 | raptor | that should get it actually removed.. |
| 20:47:24 | Watusimoto | also, volume buttons no longer seem to work |
| 20:48:29 | raptor | that makes sense... you should actually remove it and make sure the gnome-alsamixer is installed |
| 20:50:19 | raptor | OR |
| 20:50:26 | raptor | found this, too: http://wiki.winehq.org/WineAndPulseaudio |
| 20:51:32 | raptor | but that is also getting into configuration inferno |
| 20:52:27 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 20:52:33 | Watusimoto | ok, rebooting |
| 20:52:37 | raptor | ok |
| 20:52:37 | Watusimoto | let's see what happens |
| 20:52:41 | raptor | kaboom! |
| 20:53:06 | Watusimoto | maybe. if so, I can reinstally pulseaudio and maybe that will resolve the probelm |
| 20:53:13 | raptor | yes |
| 20:53:36 | Watusimoto | this system stuff is really complex |
| 20:53:47 | raptor | and we just scraping the surface! |
| 20:53:47 | Watusimoto | layer upon layer |
| 20:53:52 | Watusimoto | no kidding |
| 20:53:54 | Watusimoto | I am aware of that |
| 20:54:02 | raptor | :) |
| 20:55:01 | Watusimoto | ok, no change |
| 20:55:11 | Watusimoto | audio still generally works (playing mp3) |
| 20:55:16 | Watusimoto | volume ctrls not working |
| 20:55:20 | Watusimoto | same options in wine |
| 20:55:28 | Watusimoto | let me try ee |
| 20:55:35 | raptor | yay audio is working! |
| 20:56:35 | Watusimoto | same EE2 error |
| 20:56:42 | raptor | with pulseaudio? |
| 20:56:58 | Watusimoto | yes -- the connection refulsed error |
| 20:57:15 | Watusimoto | maybe I try reinstalling pulse |
| 20:58:35 | Watusimoto | this will take a while |
| 21:00:06 | Watusimoto | so I have the enums almost worked out in lua. All Weapon enums will be stored in a read-only table called Weapon; access via Weapon.Phaser and such |
| 21:00:18 | raptor | ok |
| 21:00:19 | Watusimoto | the only drawback is that there is no way to list all the enum values |
| 21:00:39 | raptor | so you just have to know them |
| 21:00:48 | raptor | that's ok - standard for an API, right? |
| 21:00:48 | Watusimoto | I really want to be able iterate over all enum values; they'll be in the docs of course |
| 21:00:58 | raptor | :) |
| 21:00:59 | Watusimoto | well, maybe iteration is unneeded |
| 21:01:44 | Watusimoto | I was also thinking of providing a function like getWeaponValues or something |
| 21:01:53 | Watusimoto | that would return all enum values |
| 21:01:56 | Watusimoto | or rather enum keys |
| 21:06:57 | Watusimoto | would that be useful? |
| 21:07:38 | raptor | not sure - would we ever need to use the exact value? |
| 21:10:33 | Watusimoto | no, I mean get a list of what the different enum options are |
| 21:10:41 | Watusimoto | their actual value is useless |
| 21:11:06 | raptor | good documentation would render that unnecessary, right? |
| 21:11:20 | Watusimoto | yes, unless yuo wanted to programatically access them |
| 21:11:42 | raptor | I *may* want to iterate through them |
| 21:11:45 | Watusimoto | iterate through all the weapons, find those with range > 100 say |
| 21:11:54 | raptor | yes |
| 21:12:16 | Watusimoto | we could probably solve it with levelgen:getWeaponEnumValues() |
| 21:12:26 | raptor | ok |
| 21:12:27 | Watusimoto | that returned a table of all valid enum values |
| 21:12:47 | Watusimoto | but that's not nearly as nice as being able to scan the table that;s already in lua |
| 21:13:21 | Watusimoto | we could make the enum table writable, then we could traverse it as a normal table |
| 21:13:29 | Watusimoto | but that seems unnecessarily dangeroud |
| 21:13:40 | raptor | now your getting into space with which i'm unfamiliar |
| 21:13:55 | Watusimoto | you're probably more familiar than you think |
| 21:14:12 | Watusimoto | in lua, dictionary is just a table with string keys |
| 21:14:25 | Watusimoto | so Weapons is a table |
| 21:14:32 | Watusimoto | and Weapons["Phaser"] = 0 |
| 21:14:43 | Watusimoto | Weapons["triple"] = 1 |
| 21:14:44 | Watusimoto | and so on |
| 21:14:57 | Watusimoto | by traverse the table I essentially mean gte a list of the keys |
| 21:15:17 | Watusimoto | though there is no keys functin in lua; you get the keys by iterating over the table and saving the keys |
| 21:15:56 | Watusimoto | well, I'll sort this out. an imperfect solution will work for now, as long as its in the right direction |
| 21:16:20 | raptor | ok |
| 21:16:28 | Watusimoto | audio update: pulse audio is back, sort of (have to manually start it); sound works, game still crashes, frustration continues |
| 21:16:48 | raptor | ok one moment... |
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| 21:45:27 | raptor | so you're close enough to being complete with the Lua stuff that I can do bugs again? :) |
| 21:48:05 | raptor | ok removed finished bugs again.. |
| 21:48:06 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 21:48:15 | raptor | so for the new #18 |
| 21:48:18 | Watusimoto | I'll finish the enums tonight probably for sure |
| 21:48:25 | Watusimoto | then it's just walls |
| 21:48:51 | raptor | when i click on an item in the editor, it says on the bottom left already '[Enter] to edit attributes' |
| 21:49:18 | raptor | oh, but it doesn't say for every item... hmmm... |
| 21:49:24 | raptor | ok, i'll fix that |
| 21:49:59 | sam686 | which game crashes? Bitfighter? If you changed .h files, you probably need to recompile the entire thing with make -B or make clean |
| 21:50:19 | raptor | non sequitor? |
| 22:04:33 | raptor | oh sam686, you're responding to something earlier - yeah it was about an old crash you fixed |
| 22:04:44 | raptor | no need to worry anymore.. |
| 22:05:57 | raptor | Watusimoto: should we allow editing of the teleporter delay? |
| 22:06:34 | Watusimoto | I don't think so |
| 22:06:40 | Watusimoto | why would we want to change it? |
| 22:06:56 | raptor | only because it is changeable... |
| 22:06:57 | Watusimoto | I think it will just make teleporters feel broken |
| 22:07:00 | Watusimoto | :-) |
| 22:07:02 | raptor | maybe for the dungeon mode |
| 22:13:48 | raptor | also |
| 22:13:59 | raptor | do we really want to change asteroid size in the editor? |
| 22:14:13 | raptor | it let's you set size up to 5 |
| 22:19:02 | | amgine1234567890 has joined |
| 22:19:12 | amgine1234567890 | hi there how is BF18 coming along today |
| 22:19:22 | raptor | hi |
| 22:19:26 | amgine1234567890 | any new compiled version for me to test? |
| 22:19:32 | raptor | nope, not yet |
| 22:19:48 | raptor | you should learn to compile your own :) |
| 22:20:20 | amgine1234567890 | would but my computer is so slow it takes over 30 minutes to compile |
| 22:20:29 | amgine1234567890 | and not even that |
| 22:20:39 | raptor | have you actually compiled it on your computer? |
| 22:21:47 | amgine1234567890 | tired was so so i quit the compiling |
| 22:21:51 | amgine1234567890 | tried |
| 22:21:58 | amgine1234567890 | so slow |
| 22:22:47 | raptor | yep, it can be, but then you won't need to wait for us to get you a build - also, it may be an insentive to clean up your computer to run faster :) |
| 22:23:14 | amgine1234567890 | yeah maybe i need to defragment my drive |
| 22:23:26 | amgine1234567890 | probably have lots of misplaced files |
| 22:24:06 | sam686 | whats is your computer CPU |
| 22:24:48 | amgine1234567890 | hmm Im not sure i would hae to check though im sure its not a good one even opening one window on ie takes almost my whole cpu |
| 22:25:00 | sam686 | on a Pentium 4 HT, 3 GHz, it takes about 8 minutes of compiling.. |
| 22:25:25 | sam686 | control panel, system properties, or right click mycomputer and choose properties |
| 22:25:34 | amgine1234567890 | on yours it only takes five XD |
| 22:26:26 | sam686 | my pentium D 2.8 GHz takes 5 minutes to compile, on my intel i5 quad core 3 GHz, it takes 1 minute to compile |
| 22:26:49 | amgine1234567890 | lol speedy XD |
| 22:27:53 | sam686 | raptor's laptop has a i7 dual core with hyperthreading, his compile time is just a little slower then my desktop i5 quad core.. |
| 22:28:07 | amgine1234567890 | 2.71 GHx with 2 GB of ram |
| 22:28:11 | amgine1234567890 | ghz |
| 22:28:16 | sam686 | CPU name? |
| 22:28:54 | sam686 | intel i5 3 GHz is faster then intel pentium 4 3 Ghz, even with the same GHz |
| 22:29:18 | raptor | amgine1234567890: cpu can easily be more important than speed nowadays... |
| 22:30:07 | amgine1234567890 | AMD athlon processer |
| 22:30:29 | raptor | still not good enough |
| 22:30:29 | amgine1234567890 | seems i need a upgrade. |
| 22:30:48 | raptor | use this to get exact model number: http://www.filehippo.com/download_cpuz/ |
| 22:31:29 | sam686 | CPU speed doesn't really depend on GHz anymore, it also depends on number of cores, and how old or new the CPU is. |
| 22:32:35 | sam686 | new CPU can process a lot more MIPS (millions instructions per second) then much older CPU like pentium 4 is slow. |
| 22:34:21 | amgine1234567890 | cant install it its blocked |
| 22:34:24 | amgine1234567890 | ..... |
| 22:37:18 | sam686 | maybe try cpu-z? http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html on the right side is the downloads, try (32-bit .zip, no installation) don't use 64-bit, your computer is too old to run 64-bit. |
| 22:37:52 | raptor | that's the program i told him to download |
| 22:38:27 | amgine1234567890 | not exactly |
| 22:38:44 | sam686 | maybe the "installer" version gets a bit more difficult and often get blocked by anti-virus |
| 22:39:17 | raptor | how is cpu-z that i asked you to download not cpu-z that sam just asked? |
| 22:40:04 | sam686 | amgine said "cant install it its blocked", i am jsut telling to use a .zip "no installation" |
| 22:40:19 | amgine1234567890 | my cpu version is AMD athlon 64 LE-1640 version |
| 22:42:13 | raptor | here it is: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+LE-1640&id=189 |
| 22:43:01 | raptor | this is a better comparison: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+LE-1640&id=189 |
| 22:43:29 | raptor | so yes, his CPU is at most 1/10 as fast as ours.. |
| 22:46:27 | sam686 | Pentium 4 3 GHz is even slower http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+4+3.00GHz&id=1074 |
| 22:47:09 | raptor | oh wow |
| 22:47:22 | sam686 | amgine, your CPU is slightly faster then my Intel Pentium D 2.80GHz http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+D+2.80GHz&id=1126 |
| 22:47:23 | raptor | so that means his compile shouldn't be much slower than yours.. |
| 22:47:58 | raptor | and that means a messy computer with probably viruses or antivirus software + too many things running |
| 23:08:44 | raptor | yay i fixed a bug! |
| 23:08:51 | | BFLogBot Commit: 1589dc2748fd | Author: buckyballreaction | Message: Fix and show editor instruction messages on all objects with editable attributes |
| 23:33:29 | Watusimoto | ]dang, I really want to find an elegant way to list our enums |
| 23:33:36 | Watusimoto | use casd: |
| 23:33:54 | Watusimoto | I'd like to have teams be in an enum-like struct |
| 23:34:36 | Watusimoto | well, maybe they can be and I'll just have to give the keys using one of the mechansims I discussed before |
| 23:36:03 | | BFLogBot Commit: 5cb247d0a072 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Clarify docs, maybe |
| 23:36:04 | koda | hi guys |
| 23:36:05 | | BFLogBot Commit: 01531bc77639 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Use existing macro in place of repeated code |
| 23:36:06 | | BFLogBot Commit: 6f599233ba17 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Most Lua enums now using both old and new declaration methods |
| 23:36:08 | | BFLogBot Commit: f3a80a156f2b | Author: watusimoto | Message: Add a forgotten enum |
| 23:36:09 | | BFLogBot Commit: a6f95f2d755b | Author: watusimoto | Message: Comment |
| 23:36:11 | | BFLogBot Commit: 6d247bebb345 | Author: watusimoto | Message: More x-macros! |
| 23:36:12 | | BFLogBot Commit: 496152d9fc51 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Move some stuff around |
| 23:36:14 | | BFLogBot Commit: 4be91139f146 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Merge |
| 23:36:24 | Watusimoto | hi |
| 23:40:41 | raptor | hi |
| 23:45:59 | raptor | koda: congrats again on the hedgewars release |
| 23:46:33 | koda | now it's time for bitfighter release! |
| 23:46:37 | raptor | it's funny - there are always those people who seem to get really upset at a bug in the release despite the fact they're getting a great game for free |
| 23:47:38 | raptor | koda: we're almost in the bugfixing/ polishing mode (again) |
| 23:48:02 | raptor | might need you to test if the Sparkle updater thingy works here soon... |
| 23:48:14 | koda | sure :) |
| 23:48:27 | amgine1234567890 | well let me know if oyu need help with the bug finding again :) |
| 23:48:44 | raptor | in fact, i was never quite clear on what i need to do for Sparkle as far as an online endpoint |
| 23:48:49 | amgine1234567890 | with the chages you have made who knows what might break |
| 23:58:57 | koda | raptor: you just need to upload an xml file somewhere |
| 23:59:17 | raptor | what sparkle version did you use again? |
| 23:59:30 | koda | it gets downloaded and its version is then compared to the one in the bundle |
| 23:59:40 | koda | the latest |