#bitfighter IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-11-02

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22:23:05 amgine1234567890 hi raptor hi wattisimo iu cant find any more bugs so other then what your working oln maybe BF18 will be ready for release soon
22:23:27 amgine1234567890 btw i need a zip version of it (so its not blocked)
22:24:35 Watusimoto crap day, actually
22:24:51 raptor that was my day yesterday
22:25:00 Watusimoto I just spent 4 hours trying to get #$%^& empire earth II to run under linux so I could play with my kids
22:25:07 raptor ha!
22:25:13 Watusimoto f'n securom crap won't work
22:25:20 amgine1234567890 btw how was haloween ( or whatever you celebtreate whever you live
22:25:20 raptor that's been a losing battle of mine for years!
22:25:47 Watusimoto gog sells a copy for $10 with no securom, but I don't want to reward their lame butts
22:25:50 raptor i was a big fan of EE 1
22:26:02 Watusimoto that's only $6
22:26:05 raptor you've checked the appdb on WINE?
22:26:10 Watusimoto it says it runs
22:26:14 Watusimoto but it doesn't
22:26:26 raptor people post workarounds for things
22:26:32 Watusimoto the nocd crack crashes under wine
22:26:56 Watusimoto and the game thinks the real cd is illegit
22:27:35 Watusimoto and I tried to fix my sons bike (flat tire), and TWICE added new punctures while putting it back together
22:27:42 raptor !!
22:27:49 Watusimoto wonderful
22:27:49 raptor bad day indeed  :(
22:28:22 raptor hmm...  looks like others say the nocd crack gives an exception, too
22:28:53 Watusimoto and sound on my work pc is dead again
22:29:16 amgine1234567890 *plays scary sound XD*
22:31:30 Watusimoto it sounds like someone has gotten it to run under wine; maybe it worked at a certian version, and since broke
22:31:43 Watusimoto oh, and yesterday we had trick or treaters show up
22:31:53 Watusimoto one day late, not in costume, asking for money
22:32:03 Watusimoto c'mon guys
22:32:09 raptor ha!  the word was out you are american
22:32:18 Watusimoto I don;t think so
22:32:33 Watusimoto I think they were just making the rounds
22:32:41 Watusimoto but clearly they weren't quite clued in
22:33:34 raptor awww:  http://flock.codeweavers.com/
22:33:44 raptor it was yesterday you could get crossover for free
22:33:49 raptor i missed it..
22:34:00 Watusimoto I saw that
22:34:09 Watusimoto I actually knew about it and forgot to download
22:34:38 raptor i got the last one - and it let me get a game onto my friends Mac
22:35:21 Watusimoto so it's better than wine?
22:36:06 raptor yes - it is definitely more stable, and integrates nicer with windows DLLs
22:36:23 Watusimoto I could get my dad to download on the Sandy survivor link
22:36:44 raptor codeweavers pays most WINE developers, I think
22:36:49 raptor or at least the big ones
22:40:37 Watusimoto not sure it would help:
22:40:38 Watusimoto http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=3655;forum=1;msg=74831
22:41:10 raptor sadness
22:41:57 raptor for me the real tragedy is EE 1
22:42:04 raptor it has *never* worked
22:42:28 Watusimoto indeed
22:42:43 Watusimoto for EEII the key is to use the GOG version, I think
22:43:05 Watusimoto but there have been complaints about multiplayer desyncing, and that's all I really care about
22:43:21 raptor well...   there is the virtualbox option
22:43:32 Watusimoto oh, and if I buy anything from gog, my credit card gets deactivated
22:43:42 raptor that sounds fun
22:43:59 Watusimoto they process paymens through cyprus, and my bank sees that as a sign my card has been stolen
22:44:09 raptor ha
22:44:13 Watusimoto I bought sim city then tried to pay for a hotel a week later
22:44:19 raptor oh man
22:44:22 Watusimoto i was pissed
22:45:06 Watusimoto I could try virtual box, but it would probably be too slow.  even bitfighter is too slow
22:45:20 raptor what, really?
22:45:34 raptor does that mean your processor doesn't have the VM extensions?
22:45:49 Watusimoto it could mean that
22:45:50 raptor if not, i wouldn't try virtualbox..
22:45:58 Watusimoto how do I find out?
22:46:18 raptor what is your processor?  amd/intel have nice processor spec info
22:46:22 raptor on the web
22:46:33 raptor or even computer model?
22:47:12 Watusimoto lenovot420
22:47:33 raptor ooo, those laptops are tanks
22:48:32 Watusimoto it's great
22:48:42 Watusimoto looks like it might... found this comment:
22:48:43 Watusimoto in the BIOS under Config - CPU -VT-mode
22:48:44 Watusimoto Set it to enabled
22:48:53 raptor YES
22:49:00 Watusimoto so I might try that
22:49:20 raptor do you know if yours is the i7/i5/i3?
22:49:22 Watusimoto virtual box did not fare well when I updated to Mint 13, so I need to do some work there anyway
22:49:30 Watusimoto probably i7, but not sure
22:49:57 raptor type the following in command prompt:   cat /proc/cpuinfo
22:50:01 Watusimoto I mainly use it for text editing
22:50:06 raptor haha
22:50:18 Watusimoto hold on, let me turn it on
22:50:23 raptor oh
22:50:37 raptor well, you don't have to...  i was just curious
22:51:00 Watusimoto i7
22:51:43 raptor here is your proc:  http://ark.intel.com/products/52231/Intel-Core-i7-2620M-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz
22:51:51 Watusimoto after my mint upgrade hibernate broke, so it was just suspended... easy to boot up and checl
22:52:19 raptor supports multiple VM technologies
22:52:26 raptor so turn them all on in the BIOS
22:52:32 Watusimoto ok
22:52:45 raptor also, if it isn't enabled, you may want to turn on hyperthreading as well...   bitfighter will compile faster  :)
22:53:34 raptor wow, this is a number-cruncher
22:54:15 Watusimoto hyperthreading already enabled
22:55:21 raptor once you turn on the VM features,  virtualbox will take advantage of them and should even allow for directx graphics acceleration
22:55:47 Watusimoto unfortunately, can't find vmfeatures
22:56:03 raptor probably under an 'advanced' section somewhere
22:56:15 raptor and may be labeled as VTx or something similar
22:56:18 Watusimoto cpu screen has only core multi-processing and hyperthreading
22:56:40 raptor VT-d  and VT-x
22:57:23 Watusimoto I can swap the ctrl and fn key!
22:57:31 raptor haha, my brother loves that one
22:57:47 Watusimoto if my home laptop were lenovo, fine
22:57:58 Watusimoto my wife's is and I always get confused
22:58:46 Watusimoto virtualization is under security???
22:59:23 Watusimoto so enable virtualization technology and VT-d
22:59:35 Watusimoto no vt-x
22:59:42 raptor enable it all
23:00:00 raptor vt-x = virt. technology, i think
23:00:20 Watusimoto ok done
23:00:36 raptor hooray!
23:01:15 Watusimoto but i still need to get mt guest extensions in order...
23:01:21 Watusimoto what a pain
23:01:55 Watusimoto sound works!
23:02:23 Watusimoto nope it doesn't
23:02:36 Watusimoto nothing after the initial startup chime
23:02:55 raptor ah
23:03:07 raptor so sound *does* work until log in?
23:03:14 Watusimoto yes
23:03:52 Watusimoto but the only output shown on my sound widget is "dummy device"
23:04:09 raptor sounds like a pulseaudio problem
23:04:19 raptor what desktop environment?
23:04:33 Watusimoto mint 13/cinnamon 1.6
23:04:52 raptor is that the altered gnome 3 or the new gnome 2
23:04:55 raptor probably 3...
23:05:21 Watusimoto not entirely sure, as I came late to the gnome party
23:05:28 Watusimoto and the difference is meaininglyess to me
23:06:06 Watusimoto I'd guess altered 3
23:06:12 raptor well...  gnome 3 is known to be highly developmental...
23:06:27 raptor and it could mean the difference between no sound and sound
23:08:57 Watusimoto well it worked for a while, then I had a crashy reboot, and it stopped working.  then I fixed it and it worked for a day and today it stopped again
23:11:49 raptor that's like...
23:11:57 raptor the standard Linux Experience (TM)
23:12:32 raptor a lot of people like to distro-hop until one almost works they way they want...
23:13:19 raptor but yeah - i'd go for MATE from now on...   if you want to stick with MINT
23:15:07 Watusimoto well, to me the important thing is the UI... haven;t tried Mate, but I like cinnamon
23:15:20 raptor ah ok, then that changes the game
23:15:42 Watusimoto I figure under the hood they're all baed on the same stuff
23:15:46 raptor heh
23:15:50 Watusimoto but I haven;t tried mate
23:15:58 Watusimoto i started with unity, and hated that crap
23:16:06 Watusimoto so then cinnamon, and really like it
23:16:11 raptor mate is the older GNOME - it is your basic UI along the lines of windows 2000/xp
23:16:14 Watusimoto and that's it for desktop
23:16:18 Watusimoto boring!
23:16:19 raptor and it is far more stable
23:16:34 raptor if you want flashy, go with GNOME 3 (cinnamon) or KDE 4
23:16:46 Watusimoto I like somewhat flashy
23:16:46 raptor KDE 4 is definitely more stable
23:17:15 Watusimoto no actually I don't
23:17:29 Watusimoto I like cinnamon :-)
23:18:05 raptor all right all right, i'll stop trying to convince on the side of stability...
23:18:08 raptor :)
23:18:12 Watusimoto a good task switcher and a good start-menu is really all I want
23:18:37 Watusimoto and my good start menu I mean one where I can type to find a program
23:18:51 Watusimoto that's not too much to ask, is it?
23:19:02 raptor KDE has it built in
23:19:37 raptor does cinnamon not have ti?
23:19:39 raptor *it
23:20:13 Watusimoto has what?  sound?  :-)
23:20:23 raptor haha
23:20:31 Watusimoto cinamon has nice task switcher and good enough start menu
23:20:41 raptor oh good
23:20:46 Watusimoto though previous version was better
23:21:15 Watusimoto I care less about bling on the desktop, for example
23:21:22 Watusimoto or funky window bouncing transisitons
23:21:44 Watusimoto (though here I am adding them to bf)
23:22:05 Watusimoto (well, not right now, but you know what I mean)
23:22:43 raptor it's the stuff that keeps the developers interested..
23:22:46 Watusimoto actually, best task switcher I;ve used is (in someways) win7
23:23:04 Watusimoto at least the alt-tab bit
23:23:46 Watusimoto you get a nice small window preview, and if you pause, the window temporarily pops up in the background so you can see what it is
23:23:54 Watusimoto it's fast and responsive
23:24:08 Watusimoto works with keyboard and mouse
23:25:01 Watusimoto I rather like win 7, except it's built on a super-crappy os
23:25:16 Watusimoto I like the win 7 window manager, that is
23:25:28 raptor haha
23:25:51 raptor they were demo-ing windows 8 RT laptops at my college bookstore yesterday
23:25:54 Watusimoto if I could have win7 window manager with a linux underpinning, that would be aweons
23:26:00 Watusimoto how did you like them?
23:26:26 raptor i don't know yet - i didn't get to play with the UI, but the file manager looks similar to windows 7
23:26:36 raptor and they don't let you install much..
23:26:46 Watusimoto I think it is, once you get past the tiles
23:27:00 Watusimoto ah, RT, no it's a walled garden like ios
23:27:20 Watusimoto totally not what I want
23:27:29 Watusimoto only install from the windows store
23:27:38 raptor they looked pretty slick...  but as a developer I am morally opposed to such devices
23:27:55 Watusimoto maybe win8 full version will be better?
23:27:55 raptor i *need* control over what I buy..
23:28:17 raptor they sales guy said that win 8 pro is coming out next year, and it will allow 3rd party installations
23:28:17 Watusimoto at least you can install what you want there, even if you don;t have os source code
23:28:24 Watusimoto yes
23:30:18 raptor one more platform to build for...
23:30:32 raptor ok, time for me to go home
23:30:37 raptor have a good evening!
23:30:37 Watusimoto later
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23:45:20 BFLogBot Commit: 94e17f2e6326 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Make soccer use new spawn methods -- lets us get rid of another big chunk of code 
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23:45:23 BFLogBot Commit: c5f04fe33e6c | Author: watusimoto | Message: Remove addToGame constructs 
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22:23:05	amgine1234567890	hi raptor hi wattisimo iu cant find any more bugs so other then what your working oln maybe BF18 will be ready for release soon
22:23:27	amgine1234567890	btw i need a zip version of it (so its not blocked)
22:24:35	Watusimoto	crap day, actually
22:24:51	raptor	that was my day yesterday
22:25:00	Watusimoto	I just spent 4 hours trying to get #$%^& empire earth II to run under linux so I could play with my kids
22:25:07	raptor	ha!
22:25:13	Watusimoto	f'n securom crap won't work
22:25:20	amgine1234567890	btw how was haloween ( or whatever you celebtreate whever you live
22:25:20	raptor	that's been a losing battle of mine for years!
22:25:47	Watusimoto	gog sells a copy for $10 with no securom, but I don't want to reward their lame butts
22:25:50	raptor	i was a big fan of EE 1
22:26:02	Watusimoto	that's only $6
22:26:05	raptor	you've checked the appdb on WINE?
22:26:10	Watusimoto	it says it runs
22:26:14	Watusimoto	but it doesn't
22:26:26	raptor	people post workarounds for things
22:26:32	Watusimoto	the nocd crack crashes under wine
22:26:56	Watusimoto	and the game thinks the real cd is illegit
22:27:35	Watusimoto	and I tried to fix my sons bike (flat tire), and TWICE added new punctures while putting it back together
22:27:42	raptor	!!
22:27:49	Watusimoto	wonderful
22:27:49	raptor	bad day indeed :(
22:28:22	raptor	hmm... looks like others say the nocd crack gives an exception, too
22:28:53	Watusimoto	and sound on my work pc is dead again
22:29:16	amgine1234567890	plays scary sound XD
22:31:30	Watusimoto	it sounds like someone has gotten it to run under wine; maybe it worked at a certian version, and since broke
22:31:43	Watusimoto	oh, and yesterday we had trick or treaters show up
22:31:53	Watusimoto	one day late, not in costume, asking for money
22:32:03	Watusimoto	c'mon guys
22:32:09	raptor	ha! the word was out you are american
22:32:18	Watusimoto	I don;t think so
22:32:33	Watusimoto	I think they were just making the rounds
22:32:41	Watusimoto	but clearly they weren't quite clued in
22:33:34	raptor	awww: http://flock.codeweavers.com/
22:33:44	raptor	it was yesterday you could get crossover for free
22:33:49	raptor	i missed it..
22:34:00	Watusimoto	I saw that
22:34:09	Watusimoto	I actually knew about it and forgot to download
22:34:38	raptor	i got the last one - and it let me get a game onto my friends Mac
22:35:21	Watusimoto	so it's better than wine?
22:36:06	raptor	yes - it is definitely more stable, and integrates nicer with windows DLLs
22:36:23	Watusimoto	I could get my dad to download on the Sandy survivor link
22:36:44	raptor	codeweavers pays most WINE developers, I think
22:36:49	raptor	or at least the big ones
22:40:37	Watusimoto	not sure it would help:
22:40:38	Watusimoto	http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=3655;forum=1;msg=74831
22:41:10	raptor	sadness
22:41:57	raptor	for me the real tragedy is EE 1
22:42:04	raptor	it has never worked
22:42:28	Watusimoto	indeed
22:42:43	Watusimoto	for EEII the key is to use the GOG version, I think
22:43:05	Watusimoto	but there have been complaints about multiplayer desyncing, and that's all I really care about
22:43:21	raptor	well... there is the virtualbox option
22:43:32	Watusimoto	oh, and if I buy anything from gog, my credit card gets deactivated
22:43:42	raptor	that sounds fun
22:43:59	Watusimoto	they process paymens through cyprus, and my bank sees that as a sign my card has been stolen
22:44:09	raptor	ha
22:44:13	Watusimoto	I bought sim city then tried to pay for a hotel a week later
22:44:19	raptor	oh man
22:44:22	Watusimoto	i was pissed
22:45:06	Watusimoto	I could try virtual box, but it would probably be too slow. even bitfighter is too slow
22:45:20	raptor	what, really?
22:45:34	raptor	does that mean your processor doesn't have the VM extensions?
22:45:49	Watusimoto	it could mean that
22:45:50	raptor	if not, i wouldn't try virtualbox..
22:45:58	Watusimoto	how do I find out?
22:46:18	raptor	what is your processor? amd/intel have nice processor spec info
22:46:22	raptor	on the web
22:46:33	raptor	or even computer model?
22:47:12	Watusimoto	lenovot420
22:47:33	raptor	ooo, those laptops are tanks
22:48:32	Watusimoto	it's great
22:48:42	Watusimoto	looks like it might... found this comment:
22:48:43	Watusimoto	in the BIOS under Config - CPU -VT-mode
22:48:44	Watusimoto	Set it to enabled
22:48:53	raptor	YES
22:49:00	Watusimoto	so I might try that
22:49:20	raptor	do you know if yours is the i7/i5/i3?
22:49:22	Watusimoto	virtual box did not fare well when I updated to Mint 13, so I need to do some work there anyway
22:49:30	Watusimoto	probably i7, but not sure
22:49:57	raptor	type the following in command prompt: cat /proc/cpuinfo
22:50:01	Watusimoto	I mainly use it for text editing
22:50:06	raptor	haha
22:50:18	Watusimoto	hold on, let me turn it on
22:50:23	raptor	oh
22:50:37	raptor	well, you don't have to... i was just curious
22:51:00	Watusimoto	i7
22:51:43	raptor	here is your proc: http://ark.intel.com/products/52231/Intel-Core-i7-2620M-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz
22:51:51	Watusimoto	after my mint upgrade hibernate broke, so it was just suspended... easy to boot up and checl
22:52:19	raptor	supports multiple VM technologies
22:52:26	raptor	so turn them all on in the BIOS
22:52:32	Watusimoto	ok
22:52:45	raptor	also, if it isn't enabled, you may want to turn on hyperthreading as well... bitfighter will compile faster :)
22:53:34	raptor	wow, this is a number-cruncher
22:54:15	Watusimoto	hyperthreading already enabled
22:55:21	raptor	once you turn on the VM features, virtualbox will take advantage of them and should even allow for directx graphics acceleration
22:55:47	Watusimoto	unfortunately, can't find vmfeatures
22:56:03	raptor	probably under an 'advanced' section somewhere
22:56:15	raptor	and may be labeled as VTx or something similar
22:56:18	Watusimoto	cpu screen has only core multi-processing and hyperthreading
22:56:40	raptor	VT-d and VT-x
22:57:23	Watusimoto	I can swap the ctrl and fn key!
22:57:31	raptor	haha, my brother loves that one
22:57:47	Watusimoto	if my home laptop were lenovo, fine
22:57:58	Watusimoto	my wife's is and I always get confused
22:58:46	Watusimoto	virtualization is under security???
22:59:23	Watusimoto	so enable virtualization technology and VT-d
22:59:35	Watusimoto	no vt-x
22:59:42	raptor	enable it all
23:00:00	raptor	vt-x = virt. technology, i think
23:00:20	Watusimoto	ok done
23:00:36	raptor	hooray!
23:01:15	Watusimoto	but i still need to get mt guest extensions in order...
23:01:21	Watusimoto	what a pain
23:01:55	Watusimoto	sound works!
23:02:23	Watusimoto	nope it doesn't
23:02:36	Watusimoto	nothing after the initial startup chime
23:02:55	raptor	ah
23:03:07	raptor	so sound does work until log in?
23:03:14	Watusimoto	yes
23:03:52	Watusimoto	but the only output shown on my sound widget is "dummy device"
23:04:09	raptor	sounds like a pulseaudio problem
23:04:19	raptor	what desktop environment?
23:04:33	Watusimoto	mint 13/cinnamon 1.6
23:04:52	raptor	is that the altered gnome 3 or the new gnome 2
23:04:55	raptor	probably 3...
23:05:21	Watusimoto	not entirely sure, as I came late to the gnome party
23:05:28	Watusimoto	and the difference is meaininglyess to me
23:06:06	Watusimoto	I'd guess altered 3
23:06:12	raptor	well... gnome 3 is known to be highly developmental...
23:06:27	raptor	and it could mean the difference between no sound and sound
23:08:57	Watusimoto	well it worked for a while, then I had a crashy reboot, and it stopped working. then I fixed it and it worked for a day and today it stopped again
23:11:49	raptor	that's like...
23:11:57	raptor	the standard Linux Experience (TM)
23:12:32	raptor	a lot of people like to distro-hop until one almost works they way they want...
23:13:19	raptor	but yeah - i'd go for MATE from now on... if you want to stick with MINT
23:15:07	Watusimoto	well, to me the important thing is the UI... haven;t tried Mate, but I like cinnamon
23:15:20	raptor	ah ok, then that changes the game
23:15:42	Watusimoto	I figure under the hood they're all baed on the same stuff
23:15:46	raptor	heh
23:15:50	Watusimoto	but I haven;t tried mate
23:15:58	Watusimoto	i started with unity, and hated that crap
23:16:06	Watusimoto	so then cinnamon, and really like it
23:16:11	raptor	mate is the older GNOME - it is your basic UI along the lines of windows 2000/xp
23:16:14	Watusimoto	and that's it for desktop
23:16:18	Watusimoto	boring!
23:16:19	raptor	and it is far more stable
23:16:34	raptor	if you want flashy, go with GNOME 3 (cinnamon) or KDE 4
23:16:46	Watusimoto	I like somewhat flashy
23:16:46	raptor	KDE 4 is definitely more stable
23:17:15	Watusimoto	no actually I don't
23:17:29	Watusimoto	I like cinnamon :-)
23:18:05	raptor	all right all right, i'll stop trying to convince on the side of stability...
23:18:08	raptor	:)
23:18:12	Watusimoto	a good task switcher and a good start-menu is really all I want
23:18:37	Watusimoto	and my good start menu I mean one where I can type to find a program
23:18:51	Watusimoto	that's not too much to ask, is it?
23:19:02	raptor	KDE has it built in
23:19:37	raptor	does cinnamon not have ti?
23:19:39	raptor	*it
23:20:13	Watusimoto	has what? sound? :-)
23:20:23	raptor	haha
23:20:31	Watusimoto	cinamon has nice task switcher and good enough start menu
23:20:41	raptor	oh good
23:20:46	Watusimoto	though previous version was better
23:21:15	Watusimoto	I care less about bling on the desktop, for example
23:21:22	Watusimoto	or funky window bouncing transisitons
23:21:44	Watusimoto	(though here I am adding them to bf)
23:22:05	Watusimoto	(well, not right now, but you know what I mean)
23:22:43	raptor	it's the stuff that keeps the developers interested..
23:22:46	Watusimoto	actually, best task switcher I;ve used is (in someways) win7
23:23:04	Watusimoto	at least the alt-tab bit
23:23:46	Watusimoto	you get a nice small window preview, and if you pause, the window temporarily pops up in the background so you can see what it is
23:23:54	Watusimoto	it's fast and responsive
23:24:08	Watusimoto	works with keyboard and mouse
23:25:01	Watusimoto	I rather like win 7, except it's built on a super-crappy os
23:25:16	Watusimoto	I like the win 7 window manager, that is
23:25:28	raptor	haha
23:25:51	raptor	they were demo-ing windows 8 RT laptops at my college bookstore yesterday
23:25:54	Watusimoto	if I could have win7 window manager with a linux underpinning, that would be aweons
23:26:00	Watusimoto	how did you like them?
23:26:26	raptor	i don't know yet - i didn't get to play with the UI, but the file manager looks similar to windows 7
23:26:36	raptor	and they don't let you install much..
23:26:46	Watusimoto	I think it is, once you get past the tiles
23:27:00	Watusimoto	ah, RT, no it's a walled garden like ios
23:27:20	Watusimoto	totally not what I want
23:27:29	Watusimoto	only install from the windows store
23:27:38	raptor	they looked pretty slick... but as a developer I am morally opposed to such devices
23:27:55	Watusimoto	maybe win8 full version will be better?
23:27:55	raptor	i need control over what I buy..
23:28:17	raptor	they sales guy said that win 8 pro is coming out next year, and it will allow 3rd party installations
23:28:17	Watusimoto	at least you can install what you want there, even if you don;t have os source code
23:28:24	Watusimoto	yes
23:30:18	raptor	one more platform to build for...
23:30:32	raptor	ok, time for me to go home
23:30:37	raptor	have a good evening!
23:30:37	Watusimoto	later
23:30:58		raptor Quit ()
23:45:20		BFLogBot Commit: 94e17f2e6326 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Make soccer use new spawn methods -- lets us get rid of another big chunk of code
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23:45:24		BFLogBot Commit: 53360586b0f4 \| Author: watusimoto \| Message: Spawns working with lua!