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| 00:00:04 | Watusimoto | and instanitating a wallItem via Lua creates issues |
| 00:00:36 | Watusimoto | because wallItem isn;t really a game item at all... so its parent gets instantitated (a LineItem), so that gets added to the game |
| 00:00:44 | Watusimoto | and that's not at all what you want |
| 00:01:11 | Watusimoto | so, I think, somehow, WallItem needs to become a full fledged BfObject, and we need to get rid of BarrierItem |
| 00:01:29 | Watusimoto | and this is what I need a clearer head to think about |
| 00:01:35 | Watusimoto | is this reasonable to do for 018 |
| 00:01:48 | Watusimoto | or is there a stopgap that we can use |
| 00:02:19 | raptor | uhhh |
| 00:02:31 | Watusimoto | so, I don't know how much of that makes sense, but I need to look at it again tomorrow |
| 00:02:35 | raptor | maybe not supporting walls for now is the reasonable answer |
| 00:02:39 | Watusimoto | maybe |
| 00:02:49 | Watusimoto | though those are perhaps the most critical items in some sense |
| 00:02:57 | raptor | because... last time we touched the walls it set off a whole host of problems |
| 00:03:01 | Watusimoto | but yes, it's an option I am open to |
| 00:03:33 | Watusimoto | maybe we use the older mechanisms for walls for 018, and delve in for 019 |
| 00:03:55 | Watusimoto | anyway, I want to look into this tomorrow |
| 00:04:00 | Watusimoto | with a clear head |
| 00:04:07 | raptor | ok |
| 00:04:14 | raptor | until tomorrow! |
| 00:04:31 | Watusimoto | oh, and I fixed that f'n flat tire again on my son's bike |
| 00:04:38 | Watusimoto | a new puncture in a new location |
| 00:04:42 | Watusimoto | but I fixed it |
| 00:04:46 | raptor | from the environment? |
| 00:04:50 | Watusimoto | and the tire is flat again. |
| 00:04:54 | Watusimoto | !@#$%^&*( |
| 00:05:01 | raptor | did you add the extra rubber? |
| 00:05:11 | Watusimoto | no, I just patched the old tube again |
| 00:05:18 | Watusimoto | because it was a small hole in a new location |
| 00:05:20 | raptor | i've gone with two layers of extra rubber sometimes.. |
| 00:05:38 | Watusimoto | I don;t think he even rode it since it last went flat |
| 00:05:51 | Watusimoto | I hate that bicycle |
| 00:06:19 | Watusimoto | 5 flats in what... 24 hours? |
| 00:06:25 | Watusimoto | is that insane? |
| 00:06:46 | raptor | that's a little much... but not unheard of :) |
| 00:06:55 | Watusimoto | it's a little much |
| 00:07:00 | raptor | (I used to be a bike mechanic) |
| 00:07:05 | Watusimoto | ah well |
| 00:07:19 | Watusimoto | I went over the entire interior of the tire... nothing sharp there at all |
| 00:07:38 | raptor | maybe you have a mean neighbor kid |
| 00:07:48 | Watusimoto | I'm really hoping that I just overestimated how much air I put int he tire after the last fix |
| 00:08:01 | Watusimoto | maybe, but the tire has been in our apartment since the last fix |
| 00:08:05 | Watusimoto | maybe a mean brother? |
| 00:08:09 | Watusimoto | or wife? |
| 00:08:54 | Watusimoto | well, a mystery |
| 00:08:58 | Watusimoto | anyway... |
| 00:09:14 | Watusimoto | i hope to get some wall resolution tomorrow |
| 00:09:34 | Watusimoto | good night, everyone! |
| 00:12:33 | raptor | night! |
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| 04:23:48 | Fordcars | Later! |
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| 16:14:31 | raptor | good morning |
| 16:56:45 | watusimoto | hey there |
| 16:57:11 | raptor | looks like it's Monday-morning-forum-response day |
| 17:02:09 | watusimoto | yup |
| 17:02:14 | watusimoto | procrastination day |
| 17:31:27 | watusimoto | so I may have a solution to the wall problem |
| 17:31:39 | watusimoto | that will not involve getting into all the wall complexity that sank us before |
| 17:31:40 | raptor | oh yeah? |
| 17:31:43 | watusimoto | yes |
| 17:31:45 | raptor | oh goodie |
| 17:31:49 | watusimoto | two ideas, actually |
| 17:33:04 | watusimoto | the better one is to make WallItems into the main object, that is shared between client and server; when the wall is added to the database, it will use the current functionality. The only real difference is instead of haveing the server send the client BarrierItems, it will send WallItems, and teh client will convert those to barrierItems |
| 17:33:29 | watusimoto | so WallItem becomes the main wall object, and lua can interact with it without strife |
| 17:34:07 | watusimoto | right now wallitems are used to create a simplified thing called a wallRec, which in turn generates a series of BarrierItems, which are 2 pt wall segments |
| 17:34:24 | watusimoto | we'd still do that, just after transmission, rather than before |
| 17:34:49 | watusimoto | I *think* that will solve the main issue, but not positive |
| 17:35:37 | watusimoto | anyway, I've drawn a line with myself... if I have to start changing anything related to our intersection code, I'm going to withdraw |
| 17:35:57 | watusimoto | but I need to investigate further if this is feasible |
| 17:41:09 | watusimoto | well, heading home... more on this later |
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| 18:34:05 | raptor | hi again |
| 18:38:27 | raptor | Watusimoto: I'm thinking about getting a domain (again), but I want to be able to use e-mail with it. What set up do you have with bitfighter.org? Namecheap, right? (how does that work with the e-mail?) |
| 18:39:39 | Watusimoto | Domain registrar is namecheap |
| 18:40:01 | raptor | something for my family... |
| 18:40:04 | Watusimoto | I *think* I forward all the email through my email provider (fastmail.fm) |
| 18:40:12 | Watusimoto | and let that do the forwarding |
| 18:40:20 | Watusimoto | but i'll check |
| 18:40:28 | raptor | is that a paid provider, as well? |
| 18:40:31 | Watusimoto | yes |
| 18:40:45 | Watusimoto | I have the top tier personal plan |
| 18:40:53 | Watusimoto | and it has been reliable for... years |
| 18:43:16 | Watusimoto | sorry, I was wrong |
| 18:43:29 | Watusimoto | I just set up some forwarding addresses directly at namecheap |
| 18:43:52 | Watusimoto | stuff for me gets forwarded to fastmail, and that's where I pick it up |
| 18:44:15 | raptor | where do you do that set-up ? |
| 18:44:33 | Watusimoto | ah, fastmail.fm FINALLY updated their home page |
| 18:44:46 | Watusimoto | do you have a namecheap account? |
| 18:44:54 | raptor | not quite |
| 18:45:08 | Watusimoto | manage domains > modify domain > email forwarding setup |
| 18:45:26 | Watusimoto | https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/471/2/demo-how-to-set-up-email-forwarding |
| 18:46:21 | Watusimoto | wow... their whole ui is different |
| 18:46:38 | raptor | the top-tier e-mail service is $120 a year |
| 18:46:47 | raptor | for fastmail |
| 18:46:56 | Watusimoto | really? |
| 18:47:03 | Watusimoto | I don't pay that |
| 18:47:39 | Watusimoto | https://www.fastmail.fm/signup/family.html |
| 18:47:41 | Watusimoto | I have superior |
| 18:47:43 | Watusimoto | I think |
| 18:47:46 | raptor | I'm debating whether or not i want to run my own e-mail server... |
| 18:47:51 | raptor | looks very messy |
| 18:47:58 | Watusimoto | you don't |
| 18:48:11 | Watusimoto | I did for a while, and spam killing ebcame a fulltime hobby |
| 18:48:21 | Watusimoto | had to give it up when I started bitfighter :-) |
| 18:48:43 | raptor | i'm more concerned with other servers declining to send my messages becuase of an un-approved server.. |
| 18:48:51 | Watusimoto | I have addresses for my kids and wife |
| 18:49:15 | Watusimoto | well, I would never consider that |
| 18:49:29 | Watusimoto | if I didn't want to spend the $40, I'd go with google |
| 18:49:34 | raptor | hmmm, ok |
| 18:49:52 | raptor | yeah, i think i'd rather spend time on other pursuits than managing an e-mail server.. |
| 18:50:26 | Watusimoto | exactly |
| 18:51:02 | Watusimoto | I've been happy with fastmail, gmail is free, there may be other good solutions out there. |
| 18:51:10 | raptor | ok, i'll think about it for a bit.. thanks! |
| 18:51:27 | raptor | looking ofr a good solution where my e-mails aren't indexed for advertising |
| 18:51:29 | Watusimoto | I haven't deleted a message for years, and still have plenty of headroom on my account |
| 18:51:36 | raptor | so trying to get off of google... |
| 18:52:01 | raptor | the whole idea being: i wish to be responsible for my own data |
| 18:52:15 | raptor | brb.. |
| 18:54:06 | Watusimoto | actually, I think I have "enahnced" |
| 18:54:07 | Watusimoto | https://www.fastmail.fm/signup/personal.html |
| 18:56:00 | Watusimoto | yup, confirmed. enhanced |
| 19:10:19 | raptor | hmmm ok |
| 19:14:01 | raptor | well, i guess my first step is to get a domain anyways.. |
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| 21:29:06 | Watusimoto | I think I have another evening of flat tire fixing ahead of me... |
| 21:29:21 | raptor | :( |
| 21:29:28 | raptor | slime? |
| 21:31:52 | raptor | by that i mean, add slime to the tube |
| 21:38:03 | raptor | and the extra rubber 'shell' i suggested - and counsel to not ride in contruction areas, etc... :) |
| 22:06:32 | raptor | you should read Wuzzy's rant on the generic joystick configuration... |
| 22:13:16 | raptor | i'm not sure how to respond yet... |
| 22:27:40 | Watusimoto | oh man |
| 22:27:47 | Watusimoto | tire changed |
| 22:28:32 | Watusimoto | I could find no leak in the old tube, but sacraficed it anyway |
| 22:28:49 | raptor | we used to have tire changing contests - 3min was my best (I think) |
| 22:28:55 | raptor | as moutnain bike tour guides |
| 22:28:58 | Watusimoto | I split it around the middle and stuffed it up into the tire to act as a barrier against any intrusions |
| 22:29:06 | Watusimoto | this tire is a royal pain |
| 22:29:16 | Watusimoto | wel'll see ... 5 mins and it isn;t flat yet |
| 22:29:24 | raptor | yay! |
| 22:29:34 | Watusimoto | ok, I need to go to bed. I'll look at the rant first |
| 22:34:49 | Watusimoto | responded. |
| 22:34:53 | Watusimoto | hope it's ok |
| 22:35:38 | raptor | probably |
| 22:35:50 | raptor | ok, i've got to go... hope the tire stays inflated |
| 22:35:56 | Watusimoto | me too thanks |
| 22:36:00 | raptor | night |
| 22:36:02 | Watusimoto | night |
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| 23:35:44 | amgine1234567890 | hi |