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IRC Log for 2012-11-09

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00:01:59Watusimotoso tonight or tomorrow I will be done with lua for 018
00:02:01Watusimotofinally
00:02:06BFLogBot Commit: dae994950f9f | Author: watusimoto | Message: Make message look nicer
00:02:07BFLogBot Commit: f2ce73e4294d | Author: watusimoto | Message: Whitespace
00:02:09BFLogBot Commit: 0537537e7782 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Make polywall behavior consistent with regular walls
00:02:09Watusimotothen I can focus on bug fixing
00:02:18Watusimotoand then... release
00:12:06raptorrelease!
00:25:21raptorflagItem.cpp:136:13: warning: ‘bool Zap::isTeamFlagSpawn(Zap::Game*, TNL::S32)’ defined but not used
00:25:29raptoris that method still needed?
00:27:07Watusimotoif it's not used...
00:27:18Watusimotois it simple enought that it would be easy to rewrite?
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00:27:23raptorthat warning popped up in the last few days..
00:27:37amgine1234567890hey there anything going on?
00:28:12Watusimotonot much
00:28:26amgine1234567890any new version up for me to test yet?
00:29:06raptorwe'll ask you to test when we do
00:29:15raptorbe patient :)
00:45:25raptori shoudl add wuzzy's configuration to the code tonight..
00:48:47raptorsam686: is your server down?
00:52:05Watusimotoamigne1234567890: we will need testing either tonight (if someone else can get you set up) or tomorrow (I can get you set up)
00:52:25WatusimotoI will need someone to run through all gametypes with s_bot and make sure no crashes
00:55:30raptorWatusimoto: are you ready for him to test that?
00:55:40Watusimotoafter my next checkin, in about 5 ins
00:55:42raptori can get him a build later tonight, if so..
00:55:43Watusimotomins
00:55:47Watusimotook, great
00:55:49raptorwell, ok then!
01:00:31amgine1234567890ok when you need to to do the bot test im ready
01:01:59sam686ok
01:02:01amgine1234567890ill be around thought maybe sligtly afk
01:04:38raptorleaving for home.. be back in a few hours
01:05:10amgine1234567890ok
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01:09:59WatusimotoI'm doing a quick test myself, then I'll check my stuff in
01:12:12Watusimotothat's not good... crash before game even starts
01:12:38amgine1234567890proably one of the new spans i bet
01:13:51amgine1234567890err spawns
01:15:39Watusimotook, amgine1234567890
01:15:44BFLogBot Commit: 71047785ee97 | Author: watusimoto | Message: Remove old-style enums, update s_bot to use new style. Other scripts need to be checked, but I think s_bot is the main one.
01:15:46BFLogBot Commit: 39da8011d94d | Author: watusimoto | Message: Add TODO:
01:15:47WatusimotoI'm done, and need to get to bed
01:16:08Watusimotosomeone will have to get you a new build, and you'll need the new s_bot code
01:16:21Watusimotobut what we need is to go through all the game types, and play with one or more bots
01:16:30Watusimotomake sure they don't crash anywhere
01:16:35amgine1234567890ok once i got the build i will do it
01:17:05Watusimotoif you don't have latest s_bot code, bots won't even start, so you'll know that right away
01:17:18amgine1234567890ok noted
01:17:29amgine1234567890may want to include the new bots in the compiled version
01:17:49Watusimotobots need to play in different roles -- i.e. seeking flag, capturing flag, taking flag back to goal, etc.
01:18:05Watusimotoso you'll need to let them win some points here and there
01:18:20Watusimotook, I need to get to bed
01:18:30sam686ok
01:18:34WatusimotoI'll check the chat logs tomorrow, so you can report any problems here
01:18:36amgine1234567890ok thats t4eh standard s_bot what about teh others like the healbot and orbit bot or eliza
01:18:54amgine1234567890umm or whats teh one that engeneers stuff
01:19:12Watusimotoyou can test the other bots too... I haven;t changed them, but I don;t think they need changing
01:19:31Watusimotothey are much simpler than s_bot, so should crash more readily if they're going to
01:19:33amgine1234567890ok ill ignore them see ya
01:19:37Watusimotonight sam686, night amgine1234567890
01:24:57sam686heres for amgine, http://sam6.25u.com/upload/bitfighter_018_rev_5820_39da8011d94d.zip
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01:28:31amgine1234567890ugh dumb downbload
01:28:38amgine1234567890maybe ill switch to ie
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05:51:52amgine1234567890result of S-bot testin with compiled versi0on sam gave me.
05:52:00amgine1234567890crashes in all modes 0
05:52:31amgine1234567890a few notes fix teh bots not sheilding agsint seekers and fine tune the bot paths
05:53:07amgine1234567890bots seems to hover a bit in place before moving to there target and or osmtimes have problesm getting to there target
05:57:42amgine1234567890other nots fix the bots getitng stuck on arrows and teles still a problem
05:58:15FlynnnNTquestion about the teleporters, and I always wanted to try this
05:58:31FlynnnNTbut what if you created one large navgrid zone connected between two parts of a teleporter?
05:58:53FlynnnNTit probably wouldn't sense distance properly, but it would at least see the teleporter as a viable path theoretically?
05:59:08amgine1234567890hmmm
05:59:19FlynnnNTjust as a world design stragegy
05:59:30amgine1234567890maybe ill tlak to the aminds about it
05:59:45amgine1234567890other notes bots still get stuck on forcefilds some times
06:00:08FlynnnNThmm could try negating any navzones intersected by forcefields
06:00:14FlynnnNTbut dunno if that's jsut abug or not
06:00:21FlynnnNTI am just spewing idiocy as per usual lol
06:00:38FlynnnNTquestion, who are the aminds? or is that just a typo? I honeslty can't tell xD
06:01:08FlynnnNTnot tryign to be a grammar nazi, but that could be lingo for something or whatnot
06:01:19FlynnnNTso I really do have no clue
06:03:12amgine1234567890teh amidns are rpator and watiisimo and koda
06:06:39FlynnnNToh I see
06:08:47amgine1234567890sams a mod so is zombie dunoo if there are any others
06:08:55amgine1234567890modos
06:14:39amgine1234567890gtg bye
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06:14:46FlynnnNTBye! :(
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15:59:17raptorgood morning!
16:02:19kodawsgood evening!
16:02:58kodaws what library did you use for windows updater? or is it self hosted?
16:03:06raptorGUP
16:03:10raptorhi
16:03:51kodawshttp://gup-win32.tuxfamily.org/
16:03:54raptoryes
16:03:56kodawsseems nice project
16:04:05raptorwatusimoto: did all the work with adapting it
16:04:22raptorI think I mentioned it once to nemo in #hedgewars
16:05:38kodawsoh it's the one powering notepad++
16:13:59watusimotohi
16:14:07watusimotointeresting... I didn't know gup had its own page
16:14:26raptorit does now!
16:14:27watusimotoI ripped it out of some software I was using at one point
16:14:59watusimotobut definitely by Don Ho
16:15:05watusimotoI remember that name clearly
16:15:09raptorha
16:15:22watusimotoah yes, notepad++
16:15:25watusimotothat was it
16:15:36watusimotolong since removed from my machine
16:16:22watusimotolong live sublime!
16:16:30raptorhaha
16:18:34kodawssublime?
16:22:54watusimotomy current favorite editor
16:23:09watusimotohttp://www.sublimetext.com/
16:23:38watusimotomulti-selections are the best editor feature. really really nice
16:23:53watusimotoand you should know I am *very* picky about text editor
16:23:54watusimotos
16:24:06kodawsrequires a licence!
16:24:09kodawsnot opensource!
16:24:09watusimotoyes
16:24:11kodawsfail
16:24:11watusimotono
16:24:16kodaws:D
16:24:29watusimotomaybe when textmate 2.0 starts working...
16:24:35watusimoto*if* it starts working...
16:25:00kodawsgvim fir windows :p
16:25:15watusimotoI'll use open source when I can, but I cannot abide by a crappy text editor
16:25:22watusimotosublime has a vim mode
16:25:39kodawsok screw notepad++ then
16:25:44kodawsyou got me at vim
16:25:46kodaws:D
16:26:03watusimotoI gave notepad++ an honest try. I really wanted to like it.
16:27:40watusimotoand I did stick with gup
16:27:56watusimotowhich I think I renamed to bfup when I hacked it into bitfighter
16:28:59raptorbfup
16:29:08raptoryes
16:29:17watusimotovery pronouncable
16:29:27raptori'm a poor linux user with too many editors that have all those features
16:29:48watusimotowho has multiselections?
16:30:17watusimotothese have completely replaced macros for me
16:30:37raptordefine multiselections? highlight+replace one word, replace all instances?
16:31:24raptoror block selection?
16:32:39kodawsxcode has
16:32:51watusimotoselect entire file (ctrl-A) break that down into lines (ctrl+shift+L). Now you have a cursor at the end of every line. Hit home, now you have a cursor at the beginning of every line. Hit Ctrl-Right, now the first word of every line is selected. Hit delete. All gone. Hit ctrl-right again to select the second word of every line. Ctrl-X to move to clipboard. Ctrl-right again, then ctrl-V to paste selection. Words can all be different lengths.
16:33:50watusimotoYou can have multiple cursors that all respond to input at the same time, each behaving like an independent cursor would.
16:33:57raptorhuh, well the first half of that several have (with block selection)
16:34:14raptorbut the rest... that's neat!
16:34:15watusimotoyes, but you could have 3 cursors on the same line if you wanted
16:34:37raptoreclipse does some of that... but eclipse is a beast
16:34:39watusimotoyou can select every occurance of a token and put your cursor there
16:34:50watusimotoand modify all the tokens at once
16:35:06raptorah... that's a feature i've been using for years with eclipse (and can do it with a plugin in kate)
16:35:20raptori think vc++ removed that on purpose for the free edition..
16:36:04watusimotoso last night, when editing sbot, I looked for every instance of ObjType., and put a cursor after each . THen I hit ctrl-right to skip over a word, then backspace 4 times to delete the word Type that came at the end of each ObjType.xxxxType token
16:36:07watusimotoif that makes sense
16:36:15watusimototook me 30 seconds to fix every instance in sbot
16:36:43raptoryep
16:36:56raptormakes refactoring simple
16:37:00watusimotoyes
16:37:17watusimotoalright, I've said enough about it
16:39:48raptor:)
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16:40:27watusimotooh look... my kids are playing games!
16:40:41raptorheh
16:40:49watusimotothey'll tell me they started at 6:15 when I get home
16:41:03watusimotobut I know better...
16:41:48raptorhaha
16:48:42kodawsit would be nice to have a single library for gup and sparkle
16:48:42kodawsmaybe some wrapping could be done
16:56:17raptora cross-platform update mechanism?
16:57:31raptorwe'd probably have to build our own... or use java
17:00:42watusimotois there no cross platform lib available?
17:01:35watusimotosparkle is mac only, right? gup is win only
17:02:31raptorthere are cross-platform update solutions... but they're $$$ and usually written in Java
17:02:41raptorbut i haven't checked in a while..
17:03:33raptorsinec they're usually java, that means we'd have to bundle a JVM (10-50MB)
17:06:04raptornot finding much..
17:06:23watusimotoI wonder if this can use the same server config as sparkle
17:06:24watusimotohttp://winsparkle.org/
17:06:40watusimotoI know I looked at this long ago, don't remember what I concluded
17:08:03watusimotoit does not close the running app -- just downloads and launches the installer
17:08:22watusimotobfup at least will close bitfighter making the installation easier
17:12:59raptorlooks like it uses the same format as the mac sparkle
17:13:45raptorbut yeah, it is just a launcher
17:18:06watusimotobfup does it all
17:18:17watusimotomaybe we could change bfup to talk sparkle-talk
17:18:18raptorwhich is perfect
17:18:22raptorwell
17:18:36raptori already made the endpoint serve up the proper xml for each
17:18:41raptorwhich was easiest
17:18:48watusimotothat's what we're discussing, right? how to have one server side thingy
17:19:02watusimotowhich maybe you already built via meta thingy
17:19:07watusimotowords not working for me
17:19:12raptori thought we were discussing a similar client-side thingy...
17:19:16raptor:)
17:19:21watusimotowell, ok then!
17:19:27raptorso go here: http://bitfighter.org/files/getDownloadUrl.php
17:19:31raptor(view source)
17:19:39watusimotonow that we're all talking about different things...
17:20:01watusimotoyes
17:20:16watusimotowhat could be simpler than that?
17:20:25raptornow go here: http://bitfighter.org/files/getDownloadUrl.php?requester=sparkle
17:20:54raptoryay php ugly h4x0r-ing
17:21:06watusimotono download url in there?
17:21:12raptorview source
17:21:33watusimotonice
17:22:11watusimotoso those both get loaded via your script
17:22:32raptoryes getDownloadUrl.php does all the magic
17:22:41watusimotogreat
17:22:58raptori still need to figure out how to tell the different mac architectures so the different mac builds get served up - but that shouldn't be too hard...
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17:25:14watusimotoso tonight I start on bug fixing
17:25:20watusimotoand shortening the list
17:25:33raptorYES!
17:25:54raptoramgine said s_bot worked on all gametypes, i think
17:26:03watusimotosounds like I fixed it rigth
17:26:31watusimotoby sublime-fu working at full power
17:26:34watusimoto:-)
17:26:42raptorhehe
17:26:45raptordid you buy it?
17:26:58watusimotoI got a license through work
17:27:05raptorgood deal!
17:27:21watusimotobut the unlicensed version only nags once or twice a day, even at heavy usage
17:27:34watusimotoso I haven't even upgraded all my machines yet
17:27:56watusimotobut I had been looking for a good text editor literally for years
17:28:09watusimotoever since textpad gave up the ghost
17:28:49raptori'm actually suprised they do global symbol editing with such a small binary size..
17:29:05raptorthat's IDE stuff - which are in the 100s of MB
17:29:19watusimotoit doesn't do symbol editing per se
17:29:22watusimotoonly text editing
17:29:25raptoryes
17:29:38raptorthat's what i meant
17:58:38watusimotook, time to head home and put an end to the game playing
17:58:45raptorhaha
17:58:48raptorlater
17:59:11watusimotobut daddy, we've only been playing for 15 minutes
17:59:13watusimotoI can hear it now
17:59:26raptorhahaha
17:59:45Little_Apple has joined
17:59:50Little_Applehelloo
17:59:54raptorhi Little_Apple
18:00:09Little_Appleim having a problem with bitfighter...
18:00:25raptorgreat!
18:00:49Little_Applegonna see if it happens again..
18:00:59Little_Appleoh hey it worked.
18:01:01Little_Applenevermind.
18:01:24raptor?
18:01:25Little_Applebut the problem i was having was a message coming up about conflicting id's or something
18:01:29raptorso problem solved!
18:01:44raptorthank you thank you i'm here all day
18:01:52Little_Applelol
18:01:54raptorahh... about joining a server?
18:02:02Little_Applethe master server i think
18:02:10raptori've hit that once before...
18:02:20Little_Appleit said the connection request was rejected because of a duplicate id or something
18:02:27raptorand couldn't ever duplicate..
18:02:33raptoryeah
18:02:50raptorlet me see...
18:02:58Little_Appleok i know what the problem was..
18:03:04raptoryou do?
18:03:10Little_Applei was trying to open an older version of the game.
18:03:22Little_Apple*delete*
18:03:25Little_Appleproblem solved.
18:03:29raptorha
18:03:36FlynnnNTI literally just had portal 2 flashbacks
18:03:51FlynnnNTand for some reason my client is insisting upon renaming me FlynnnNT
18:03:54Little_Applethe best solution to a problem is usually the easiest.
18:04:01FlynnnNT is now known as Flynn
18:04:03Little_Appleand lets be honest. killing you, is hard.
18:04:20Flynnhahaha
18:04:34raptorhaha
18:04:40Little_Appleyea i have portal 2 right next to my left hand...
18:04:43Flynnpoor glados deleting her humanity :(
18:05:01Flynnahem
18:05:04Flynnspoiler alert
18:05:06Flynnfor that last message
18:05:08Flynnthat I already sent
18:05:13Little_Applehaha
18:05:29raptornooooooo
18:05:34raptori have been spoiled
18:05:40Little_Applei bought the collector's edition for the soundtrack..
18:05:40Flynnoh god...
18:05:43Flynnwhat have I done
18:05:46raptoractually i'd need a windows computer first
18:05:52raptori haven't even played the first one..
18:05:53Little_Appleoh~!
18:06:01Flynnoh I see
18:06:01Little_Appleheres some valve news you should like raptor
18:06:12Little_Applegabe is having steam come to linux
18:06:20raptoryes, i've been following their linux development
18:06:23FlynnNice! raptor can play pooortla now :)
18:06:30Flynnor well
18:06:32Flynneventually
18:06:33Little_Appleim not sure if they ported that yet
18:06:40Little_Appleor should i say
18:06:41raptorthey don't..
18:06:43Little_Appleportaled
18:06:47Flynnhaha
18:06:55Flynnspeaking of ports I am ahving a macports nightmare
18:07:02raptorheh
18:07:06raptormacports is a nightmare
18:07:07Flynnbeen trying to three days to install kdenlive
18:07:12Little_Appleoh raptor
18:07:14Flynn** for
18:07:22Flynnlol raptor
18:07:28Little_Appleif they ever have a linux event with a promo item in tf2
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18:07:35Little_Applei will need to get that item.
18:08:05Little_Applesam's server down?
18:08:15raptoryeah, it's been down for a couple days
18:08:16Flynnwould running your computer off a linux bootable image work?
18:08:27raptorhe got a new computer and has been busy
18:08:35raptorFlynn: yes
18:08:40raptorbut if you want to install anything
18:08:47Little_Appleis there a good linux emulator for mac? ._.
18:08:48raptoryou'd have to install the linux system to your harddisk
18:08:54Flynndrah
18:09:12raptorLittle_Apple: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
18:09:25raptoryou can use virtual box to make a virtual machine
18:09:42Little_Appleoh interesting..
18:10:04Little_Appledo you just give it an OS or something?
18:10:11FlynnI've had bad exeperinces with virtualbox, but probably as I was tryign to run windows
18:10:20Flynnworth a shot as it's free
18:10:24raptoryou create a 'machine' with it, give it a virtual CD drive, disk, etc...
18:10:36Flynnbut if it doesn't work, you can probbly get a free trial of vmware, or of paralells, both are good software
18:10:47raptorthen you download a linux ISO (disc in a file) and boot the virtual machine with it
18:10:56Little_Appleis it something someone as ignorant in programming as me could use?
18:11:11raptoryou don't need programming, but you do need some figure-it-out skills
18:11:13Flynnvirtual box is not very programmy : D
18:11:18Little_Appleoh good!
18:11:35raptoryou would use the one for 'OS X hosts'
18:11:43Little_Appleoh raptor
18:11:46raptorhost = main machine; guest = virtual machine you create
18:12:28raptorhello
18:12:32Little_Appledo you think you could get bitfighter on steam for the linux compatibility thing?
18:12:40raptorha
18:12:45raptormaybe
18:12:55Little_Applei think it would be good for getting new players
18:13:05raptorwe're using the same framework that they're working on (SDL)
18:13:19Little_Applei think it would be a great step forward
18:13:47FlynnI know minecraft was thinking about steam when they first started but decided not to for some reason
18:13:47raptoryes, probably... but i'm not sure they allow free games
18:13:54Little_Applethey do
18:13:55raptordesura, maybe
18:13:57raptorthey do?
18:14:04Little_Applei think they would
18:14:04Flynnalthough I do think it was financial, and this is a free game, so it may not be important
18:14:11Little_Appleat least they allow f2p games
18:14:37Flynnlol let people buy a rainbow ship for one dollar or something if need be
18:14:47Little_Appleor a nyan cat ship.
18:14:55Flynnthat too, that too
18:14:59Flynnalthough that's worth at least three
18:15:01Little_Applemaybe a pink phaser
18:15:09Flynnthat woudl be interesting
18:15:17Flynnraptor is like
18:15:21Little_Appleeven though its really close to pink already
18:15:22raptorok now you're going off the deep end...
18:15:27Flynn"rainbows? why must htey discuss such sickening concepts"
18:15:37Little_Applehahaha
18:15:54Little_Applemaybe the level maker could be a paid expansion
18:16:10Little_Applejust so there arent as many terribly thrown together levels
18:16:15Flynnor maybe bitfighter could have some payed map packs
18:16:24Little_Appleso that the people that buy it will put more effort into the levels
18:16:36Flynnalthoguh the problem is it's open source
18:16:43Flynndoes steam allow open source projects?
18:17:01Flynnbetter to sel lcontent than something that can be hacked in with an IDE
18:17:27Flynnanyways I am done being a peanut gallery
18:17:36Little_Applebecause i think that atm its a little too easy to manke a bunch of cruddy levels and make a server thats full of junk levels and that could be bad for new players trying out the game
18:17:39Flynnraptor's silence is a pretty good indicator we are not talking his language
18:18:33Little_Applemaybe it should just be a separate app...
18:18:43Little_Applerather than a paid expansion
18:18:49Flynnmnot ot mention, my opinion is not exactly warranted considering my usual absence lol
18:19:33raptorok ok
18:19:37raptorback
18:19:40Little_Appleah
18:19:41Little_Applehello
18:19:47raptorummm... i'd say let's file this for the future...
18:19:47FlynnI take that back about hte language thing then lol
18:19:53FlynnI take back my take back
18:20:01Little_Appleokok raptor
18:20:02raptoractually
18:20:07FlynnLOL raptor
18:20:08Little_Applejust a note
18:21:14Little_Applebecause of how easy and user friendly the level editor is it can make it so that there are a lot of just junk levels and you have to dig really deep just to find a good level
18:21:33Little_Appleespecially when theres an in game level gallery
18:21:48Flynnthere is an ingame level gallery now?
18:21:50Little_Applei've seen this in ios games with level editors
18:21:52Flynnof custom levels by others?
18:21:53Little_Applenot now
18:22:11Little_Applebut there is a level list in servers
18:22:42Little_Applecase and point: my level retarded duck
18:23:07Flynnretarded duck...
18:23:09Little_Appleyep.
18:23:21Flynnwhat an interesting name
18:23:26Little_Applei can host it lol
18:23:36FlynnI dont't have a recent version of bitfighter xD
18:23:41Flynnlet me download one
18:23:44Little_Applek
18:24:23Little_Appleoh wait..
18:24:29Little_Appleits on another computer
18:24:31Little_Applerats
18:24:47Flynnyou have made me download pointlessly!
18:24:51Flynnyou will pay for your insolence!
18:24:59FlynnWITH CHEESE
18:25:03Little_AppleAHA MY PLAN HAS SUCCEEDED
18:25:03Flynnas I like cheese
18:25:10FlynnNooooo!
18:25:18Little_Appleyes! yes!
18:25:24Flynnhow could you betray me like this
18:25:26FlynnI trusted you
18:25:39Little_Applei would honestly take it all back.
18:25:45Little_Appleand i am genuinely sorry.
18:25:47Little_Applethe end.
18:25:56Flynni forgive you
18:26:04Little_AppleSPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
18:26:04Flynn*barney theme song*
18:26:37Little_AppleY U NO GET WHEATLEY QUOTE
18:26:40Flynnmeanwhile I am sure we are now both viewed as insane by anyone unlucky enough to observe this encounter lol
18:26:52Flynnhaha space, I love portal
18:27:24Little_Appleraptor
18:27:28raptorhi
18:27:43Little_Applehave you ever made a game from scratch?
18:27:56Little_Apple(not reffering to the application scratch)
18:29:29Little_Appleflynn ever play tf2?
18:29:55raptorsure - i've programmed some simple counting games for some computer classes
18:30:01raptorbut nothing so enormous as bitfighter
18:30:04Little_Appleah
18:30:26FlynnI once tried to
18:30:35Flynnbut the lag was too much for my small computer
18:30:57Flynndo you have an area of interest in programming, raptor?
18:30:59Little_Applei have ideas for games but am either too lazy to learn to program or i have no way of learning
18:31:51raptornot really an area of interest
18:31:56raptori like to solve problems, and create
18:32:05Flynnsame way here
18:32:09raptori actually sometimes hate programming
18:32:15Flynnusually my area of interest is whatever I havent' learned
18:32:24raptorlike i'm not really passionate about it, but it can be fun
18:32:31Flynnoh I see
18:32:36Flynnso, what are you passionate about?
18:32:51Little_Appleflynn if you ever are able to play tf2 try not to end up like this guy. http://www.pcgamesn.com/tf2/28000-team-fortress-2-backpack
18:32:52raptori'm not actually sure...
18:32:55raptorice cream?
18:33:01Flynnhaha!
18:33:08Flynn(@raptor)
18:33:12Flynnlet me look at that link
18:33:17Little_Applek
18:33:22Flynnmother of god
18:33:37Little_Appleyep.
18:33:44Flynnhow much money is one person willing to put into a game
18:33:53Flynnhe could have bought a small team of programmers with that
18:34:12Little_Appleyep.
18:34:28Flynnoh I see
18:34:31Flynnhe's been trading them
18:34:34Little_Applethat guy has the highest value backpack in the entire game
18:34:44Flynnwowie
18:34:48Flynnmaster trader there
18:34:53Little_Appleactually
18:35:12Little_Applesome of the hats say they were "support granted"
18:35:23Flynnno idea what hat means
18:35:28Little_Appleso i think he got some of that hats by questionable means
18:35:32Little_Applehats as in hats
18:35:36Little_Applelike you wear on your head.
18:35:43Flynnno idea what support granted means
18:35:57Flynn:S
18:36:02Little_Appletf2 is basically a hat simulator
18:36:06Flynnlol
18:36:39Little_Appleit has its own crazy virtual economy with trading
18:37:06FlynnI see
18:37:16Little_Appleits like a black market almost
18:37:39Little_Applebasically what makes that guy's backpack so valuable is the hats he has
18:37:52Flynngoodness
18:38:01Flynnthe fashion business is expensive you know
18:38:14Little_Appleits...
18:38:18Little_Appleoh its hard to explain.
18:38:28FlynnI Was joking
18:38:32FlynnI know what a TF2 hat is
18:38:37FlynnIt was a pun
18:38:45Little_Appledo you know what an unusual hat is?
18:39:02Flynna hat which is unusual? xD
18:39:19raptorit's snowing!
18:39:23Little_Appleits an extremely rare hat you can only get by unboxing
18:39:24Flynnnice!
18:39:31Little_Appleer
18:39:34Little_Applea type of hat
18:39:38FlynnI haven o idea what unboxing is
18:39:50Little_Appleuuugh i cant explain all of this..
18:39:51Flynnunless you mean hacking the game
18:39:57Flynnalrighty then
18:39:59Little_Appleyou'll find out if you ever play it.
18:40:02Flynnend of conversation I guess lol
18:40:06Flynnanywho
18:40:10Little_Appleand no its not hacking lol
18:40:46Little_Appleso wait..
18:40:50Little_Appleyou played portal?
18:40:54Flynnyes
18:41:04Little_Applebut your computer cant handle tf2?
18:41:16Flynnconsidering the levels alone ook two hours to download
18:41:20Flynnwhen portal its self took two hours
18:41:21Flynnyes
18:41:27Flynnthat's two hours each
18:41:32Little_Appleummmmm
18:41:43Flynnand tbh 10 fps is not enoguh tfor me to play a first person shooter
18:41:58FlynnI had to turn all of the graphics setitngs down on portal to their minimum
18:41:59Little_Applelol
18:42:02Flynnand I managed to get 15 fps
18:42:14Flynnwhich is BARELY enough to play portal as it is not action based primarily
18:42:17Little_Applewhat kind of computer do you have?
18:42:32Flynnold mac from... I think it wwas 2008 or 2010
18:42:36Little_Appleah
18:42:41Little_Appleim on an eMac
18:42:46Little_Appleg4.
18:42:49Flynnplus it's a laptop
18:42:52Little_Appleah
18:43:03Flynnso no high power fancy graphics cars
18:43:05Flynn** cards
18:43:09Flynnlisten, tf2 is laggy
18:43:14Flynnportal is slightly less laggy and playable
18:43:21FlynnI have a crapload of stuff installed on my computer
18:43:26Little_Applethe tf2 halloween event finishes up today i think
18:43:33FlynnI literally ahve around 400 applications
18:43:37Flynnand I ahve used 300 of them
18:43:40Flynnno
18:43:41Flynn375
18:43:44Flynnno...
18:43:45Little_Appleget some extra RAM?
18:43:48Flynnsome of them were failed builds
18:44:02Little_Appleclear some hard disk space?
18:44:28FlynnI can't play tf2
18:44:33FlynnI can't afford a graphics card
18:44:35Little_Applei know i know
18:44:40Flynn** ram card sorry
18:44:45Little_Applebut still
18:44:52Flynnseriously
18:45:01Little_Appleis it maxed out?
18:45:17Flynnmost of the time yes
18:45:24Little_Applewoohoo
18:45:49Flynnthough my CPU is not always maxed out
18:45:51Flynnor is it
18:45:56FlynnI don't really know
18:46:09FlynnI ahve a dual core so I can never tell if it's telling me that 50% or 100% of both of my cpus is being used
18:46:24Flynnit certianly always seems to go above 100% as well which makes no sense
18:46:25Little_Applek
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18:47:00Little_Applei leave now!
18:47:08Little_Apple Quit (Quit: Page closed)
18:47:25Flynnso what exactly do you do for a living ,raptor?
18:47:31FlynnI've caught chats about work etc
18:47:36Flynnbut I've never really found out whaty our job is
18:47:41raptorhi
18:47:45Flynnhelo :)
18:47:46Flynn** hello
18:47:49raptorI'm a programmer at Novell
18:47:58FlynnOh, nice!
18:48:07raptorinternal - mostly keep old systems running
18:48:12Flynnloll
18:48:14Flynn** lol
18:48:32Flynnstill that's actually probably one of hte harder jobs out there
18:48:51Flynndo you enjoy working for htem?
18:52:19raptorit's a good job and they've treated me and my family well
18:52:27Flynnthat's good
18:52:33FlynnI;m glad to hear that
18:52:51Flynnthat's pretty coo lwhat you do for a living, must require alot of design sense to keep things from falling apart
18:53:58raptora bit
18:54:10raptorthe best part is when you get to build something new.
18:54:18Flynnhehehe
18:54:21raptor(for me)
18:54:34Flynndo they have you update older systems with new features?
18:55:17raptorsometimes yes, but usually just fix bugs
18:55:57FlynnI see
18:56:35Flynndo you repair newell's internal systems or does newell offer soem sort of system management service that you are a part of?
18:57:04raptorinternal systems
18:57:29raptormostly systems that manage information, like information on customers, or on the software that Novell sells
18:57:36Flynninteresting!
18:57:50Flynnthat's meta
18:57:56Flynna programmer
18:57:58Flynnmanaging a system
18:58:05Flynnwhich manages other programmers and other systems
18:58:36FlynnI'm just sorry to hear you aren't passionate about it
18:58:46FlynnI hope you do find what you are passionate about
18:59:51Flynnstill it's good they treat you nicely over there
19:00:05Flynndo you work on any projects beyond bitfighter in your spare time?
19:00:11raptorsometimes, yes
19:00:18raptori actually do linux packaging, too
19:00:23Flynnreally!
19:00:29raptori package hedgewars, naev
19:00:36raptortwo other games
19:00:42Flynnhehe i see I see
19:00:47raptori've contributed a tiny bit to both
19:00:52Flynnand linux packaging, that's where you do compilation to linux?
19:00:57raptorand stolen code for bitfighter :)
19:01:00raptoryes
19:01:00Flynnhehe that;s good, elave your mark on the game
19:01:07Flynnhehehehehe sneaky programmer
19:01:40Flynnhaha edgewars is epic!
19:01:43Flynn** hedge
19:02:24Flynnhuh. I am not sure I've seen such a complicated arsenal game, this is pretty cool
19:03:08raptoryeah hedgewars is really fun - koda (who shows up here sometimes) is one of their main developers
19:03:17Flynnreally
19:03:20raptorhe's helped us out with some mac issues
19:03:46raptoryeah, there's this sub-sub culture of open source game programmers who have a main game, then like to float around and help others out
19:06:01Flynnhehehe
19:06:06Flynnthat's really quite interesting
19:08:23Flynndo you guys have an issue tracker somewhere?
19:08:43FlynnI doubt I'll ever find the time in my mind to do anything, but contributing somethign small has been on my mind lately
19:09:02Flynnknowing something that is wanted to be done would certainly help hehe
19:10:53raptorwe've been keeping approved features here: http://code.google.com/p/bitfighter/issues/list
19:10:58raptorsome bugs there, too
19:11:05Flynncool, thankyou!
19:11:17FlynnI'll have a look at that, see if there is anythign within my abilities hehe
19:11:26raptorok
19:12:02raptorall right, i have to get back to work for bit... i'll be idling still
19:27:33FlynnSee you, raptor!
19:27:47Flynngood talking to you :)
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23:48:36raptori was going to ask something... then i forgot
23:48:44raptormust be getting to the end of the work day...

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